No Klopp Critics

thats the problem with EPL teams and players they prefer we file games against the top teams as to difficult and judge their careers on home games against burnley,palace,west brom etc
sky have us believe de gea made 2 outstanding saves one was for the camera,s and the other although unsighted was going into the middle of the goal any where near the corner he would have been helpless

Liverpool played like Man Utd under LvG. No ideas, no creativity, nothing.

Klopp is 100% blameless, imo. With how negative Bourinho was, it would have played right in to his hands to have gone at it like they normally do, the way Rodgers did in that 0-2 that cost them the league. If a side like Hull parks the bus, then you have to find a way. If a side parks the bus and has quality the likes of Pogba in their side, it's almost impossible to get through. Liverpool have been brilliant this season, and they're 100% excused from last night, and that's coming from someone that did his b0llox backing goals

must agree with goalkeeping backpasses,wtf does any team do it for,rather just see  a fckn lump up to attack than the fannying around at the back

....all the opposing team can just step right up and really squeeze the play,clunking fckn goalie doing **** all with it

Klopp's so called big game record in the league isn't that bad so far is it? (city,utd,spurs,arsenal,chelsea,everton)

City 2 wins
Utd 1 draw, 1 loss
Chelsea 2 wins, 1 draw
Spurs 3 draws
Arsenal 1 win 1 draw
Everton 1 win 1 draw

If you maintain this sort of record in these games, it follows that beating the so called lesser teams regularly will have you in the shake up for the places, I don't know where this idea that the big games don't matter is coming from 1TP? Liverpool have been notoriously poor at putting away enough of the so called lesser sides in many a season and it is these games that determine your fate.

I don't actually think Liverpool passed the ball too well last night but the intent was certainly there, the play improved with the Sturridge/Lallana change but it was extremely difficult getting through this formation. I can't recall a Utd side paying us so much respect in any game, Mourinho has a good record at the smash and grab but their actual counter threat was practically non existent, it was a game he obviously did not want to lose at any costs as they would have already been seeing daylight in the table to where they want to be.A draw is not a bad result for liverpool if it's backed up with a home win against West Brom, the very sort of fixture that has not been put away enough recently and for many seasons post Benitez.

Klopp never set out to make the most expensively assembled team in world football play as yard dogs.

The Anfield faithful have been treated to some lovely footy this season and United have to endure forwards as full backs amidst the fear of losing.

Spoilers spoil. You see it any sport; boxing, snooker, footy etc. You can't make a good match sometimes.

It won't be too long before the Utd supporters start baying for blood. Mourinho has long since been a busted flush and to spend £150m in the summer and play six defenders against a team that finished seventh last year, was shocking. He's also going to ruin Rashford, the one spark the team possess.
I can't wait for the Chelsea game zzzzzzzzzzzzz

one game...a draw...another game along in a minute...what's the f00kin fuss

65% possession with only 3 shots on target....questions should be asked.


also his 5 defeats in 5 finals record is abhorrent.

So a club whose entire footballing ethos and success is built on the back pass to the goalkeeper has fans that are complaining about back passes to the goalkeeper!?

You morons obviously can't remember they had to change the rules of the game to stop the mousers Killing it years ago.

patrick probs still in mourning for the death of football which we seen the other night,so his gibberish is understandable-just

and theres more to come , welcome the special one

Am I the only one on here that can remember the boring games that each of these great clubs have dished up in every season in the past 60 years or so.
To listen to most its a bit like the summers were better when I was young nonsense, Relax, its just another dose of wishful thinking.

Liverpool will never dominate again and nor United, the quality is evenly distribute these days its a new era.

The real story of the game was how Milner and Rashford cancelled each other out and the rest do what they usually do, go missing and are completely overstated with the odd performance.

Both are great managers but only one will gain legendary status and no prizes for guessing who.

No 0-0 bore draws in the old days, moondan. Mainly because the keeper had promised someone goals.

It takes two to tango.Mourinho played his usual game plan on Monday night against Liverpool .This is  to go for a 0-0 draw with the bonus of a 1-0 victory if Utd get lucky.It sometimes works.In game 2 Burnley beat Liverpool 2-0 and got lucky scoring an early goal and then defending in depth for the rest of the match..Statistically Burnley had 18% possession ,the lowest ever for a Premiership match. Utd had 35% ,their lowest possession  percentage since 2003.It is measure of Liverpools firepower these days that opposing teams have no plan B either.The plan is  simply to camp on the edge of their own penalty area and hope for the best.West Brom will probably do the same on Saturday and will have a possession factor of about 25%The way to deal with this negativity is  not to send high crosses into the box but to send low drives into the central goal area .With a crowded goal area ,statistically one will get through to a Liverpool attacker or be diverted for an own goal.Rashford did this a couple on Monday night and it nearly resulted in a goal.

Utd play Chelsea at the weekend.This looks like another boredraw at 0-0 or a 1-0 win for Chelsea with Costa scoring the goal.

youre wasted on here wolfie,id hang around sunderland for next few weeks if i were you

we never got the chance to see if utds plan was the difference in the 1st half liverpool,s control,passing whilst they had the ball was horrendus in one move courtinho made about 8 wrong decisions in 15 secs missed controlled twice,tried to play thewrong pass twice before falling over

2 points dropped by utd,but doctor fckn death didnt even see they were there for the taking,unbelievable spin by the ****ehole after the game tho

No Klopp critics because he has just finished his 'honeymoon' period, just one year in the job this month and his mid term report shows he has taken a lost looking Liverpool team to two Cup finals and is only 2 points behind the Leaders of the Premier League in his first full season, and all that without spending a wad of cash and he is also the darling of the sports media. Hard to criticise anything so far.

And he took Sturridge down from his Ivory tower and got £27 million back for Beneteke and off loaded a disruptive Sakho and showed everybody that Jose isn't so Special after all

Maybe those who aren't criticising Klopp aren't archetypal modern day football fans, otherwise known as knee jerkers who demand instants success, and are able to see the bigger picture?

to listen to most its a bit like the summers were better when I was young nonsense

moondan you crack me up

jed

Oct 19, 2016 -- 1:39PM, stickyvicky wrote:

And he took Sturridge down from his Ivory tower and got £27 million back for Beneteke and off loaded a disruptive Sakho and showed everybody that Jose isn't so Special after all

Klopp is judged on much lower standards than Mourinho using your logic.

Klopp hasn't actually done anything yet and you are parading him around like a hero.

Klopp hasn't actually done anything yet

Define doing something n88?

£27m for Benteke wasn't even a great deal. When they talk about like £75m for Lukaku, probably not a lot between them and Benteke isn't much older. Both will do well at mid-table clubs.

And mid-table clubs in the Premier League can comfortably afford £27m now for what will be their star player.

When they talk about like £75m for Lukaku

The key part of that is 'talk about'

Well he hasn't won anything has he. The way some people are talking you'd think he won the league last year. It's 8 games in this season. Last season he didn't move Liverpool up in the league at all. Too early to parade him like he's the mastermind.

Plenty of average players moved for around the same price as Benteke who aren't as good as him though. Like I say he will do well for Palace. He is probably really worth more than Liverpool sold him for, it's just hard to sell someone perceived to have flopped for a good price. He will do a good job for the right club, and Premier League clubs are happy to throw about 30m now like it's nothing.

If you put it as a comparison of Palace swapped Bolassie for Benteke then that was excellent business from them.

The way some people are talking you'd think he won the league last year

Which people? You are using sweeping generalisations here for a whole fanbase. The media love Klopp and clearly its getting to some people (Jose for one). But most match going Liverpool fans arent decrying him as the new Messiah. He's clearly done a good job so far, and I would say almost every fan feels they are heading in the right direction. Thats all you can ask for at this stage.

It seems very short sighted to say he's done nothing just because he hasnt won a trophy though. Presumably Pochettino hasn't done anything either then? Its very, very hard to win a trophy these days, especially within your first year at a club.

Or Everton were absolutely mugged off. Take your pick.

What about if you say Liverpool more or less swapped Benteke for Mané? You can twist it any way you like.

It still doesn't change that making out that getting £27m for Benteke was a master stroke is pushing it. It was going rate at best.

I never said it was a master stroke. But I think it was very good business. Not because of the price in isolation. Mostly because he got rid of a squad player that didn't suit our system and replaced him with an important first teamer that does (Mané) for virtually nil spend. Anyone that suggests that change hasn't brought about a significant improvement clearly doesnt watch us enough.

Interesting analogy with Pochettino CCM - I had already read the first part of your post about heading in the right direction and thought that that was the change that had happened at Spurs.

It's impossible to quantify the difference Pochettino has made to Tottenham - however much Redknapp and AVB improved on what had gone before, this guy has taken their blueprint, torn it up, made the whole team his own and the style like nothing we've ever played before and made us ultra-competitive.

This is not to knock Klopp, I love the guy, and for the first time in a long time I genuinely fear Liverpool can be great again.

Pochettino's way has worked for us so far but we have no real idea if it will end with us winning trophies. To be honest, I don't even care if it does. It makes us worth watching, very hard to beat and a threat to any team in the land however many trillions of pounds put it together.

Perhaps this is the difference between Spurs and Liverpool - you expect to win trophy after trophy, we're just happy not to be completely shyte

Haha. To be honest, we've had enough years in the wilderness to not expect to win trophies that often these days ourselves.

Pochettino's way has worked for us so far but we have no real idea if it will end with us winning trophies. To be honest, I don't even care if it does. It makes us worth watching, very hard to beat and a threat to any team in the land however many trillions of pounds put it together.

I think you could replace Pochettino with Klopp in the above sentence and it would still be valid. Thats exactly how I feel. The buzz is back at Anfield. Fans love going the game again... win, lose or draw, its fun (apart from when Mourinho is involved, obviously).

Its quite possible that we have the two best Managers in the league.

We've been very lucky really - history tells us that Levy has no idea what a decent manager looks like, law of averages alone said that one day he wouldn't stumble upon another clown.

Jed.davison,

I can see I am going to have to educate you on football as I did on the snooker threads

How you doing ?

Remember what I said about Ronnie being the second best player ever and as time goes by his record proves it

Pochettino, won't be on these shores for long so enjoy a class act while you can.

The special one has the medals and silverware , just like Hendry so he does not need opinion to judge his merits the record books are all that count. Ask Fergy?

I Watched Tottenham last night and if they do not get another goalscorer they will miss out on the trophies in the next few years, if levy does not give the argie money it will scupper their chance of a first title in 56 years, in the end the krauts were unlucky not to win

I am well mate. I fear you will be right about Pochettino doing one at some point.

Think we can afford to give this boy Janssen a decent go anxious, we've still got goals in the team, it's not killing us to let him find his feet at the moment.

As for the Mickeys they have some very exciting players and an attacking philosophy but lack a powerful midfield and a plan b until they address that they will not win the title

What about your title chances anxious? I read Smalling talking them up today and thought he should be drug-tested.

I have not read that but I don't think we will challenge this year but I do not think it is all gloom and doom, once we get the right players in the right positions we can make progress, get rid of a few merchants and make a couple more buys we can challenge then

Klopp must have studied how Jose sets out his teams so he must have selected the team and the tactics to overcome United.

He failed. The Heavy Metal Football Bollox failed. Klopp & HMF failed because Liverpool have no game changing player.

What should be of concern to Liverpool fans is the nature of that failure. It was abject. Every team hoping to get a point off Liverpool will look at how Jose had United play and say to themselves, we can do that.

You're probably the only person alive who thinks Liverpool don't have a game changing player.

You're posts are getting more and more embarrassing. Stick to debating with Rommel would be advice. He's a kindred spirit.

Please name this player who can change games. And I mean on a regular basis not two or three times a season.

I can't be @rsed. Work it out for yourself.

You mean you don't want to embarrass yourself.

Title winning side nearly always have game changing players. Henry, Ronaldo, Aguero, Vardy. Players who can win 10 games a season with their individual skill.

Suarez was a great game changing player. If only he had been able to control his behaviour who knows what Liverpool could have won with him.

Right now Liverpool have some good players who run around a lot.

The poor mans brenda.

n88uk @ 2.57
Klopp hasn't actually done anything yet and you are parading him around like a hero.

I wrote
1 No Klopp critics because he has just finished his 'honeymoon' period, just one year in the job this month and his mid term report shows.......etc
2 Hard to criticise anything so far.

You may have missed the 2 points above, my point was a 'review of his first year' ( mid term report if you like ) in the job and nothing at all to do with parading him around like a Hero. And 2) that there is very little to be critical of to date. Hardly Hero worship.?

The Beneteke £27 million back point was that Liverpool rearly if ever get money back on big money 'Dud' purchases over the years, Balotelli, Markovic, Aquilani, endless mid table Spaniards too numerous to mention.

yeah goals looks a right problem for the top scorers in the last calendar year, we've had plenty of top marksman since we haven't won the league but we've rarely had a side where goals are coming from all angles.

fcuk me one shut out against utd and all of a sudden liverpool have a goal drought

It's not goals that win titles it's winning goals. Putting 4 or 5 past some lowly club counts for litlle compared to a single winning goal against a fellow title challenger.

In big games you need game changers and despite CCM's denials right now Liverpool do not have one.

OP. You need to move on. Stop boring the @rse off everyone with the what your crystal ball tells you and see what happens. Right now, Liverpool are closer to wining the title than Utd. Everyone can see it. Even your Manager who darent even try and beat us.

As for your first paragraph. It's utter b0llocks. Beat the bottom ten teams in the league home and away and you are set up to win a title. Beating a rival 1-0 won't win you titles.

What are our results in Big games under Klopp One Percenter, they are fine from where i'm standing

4 against arsenal 3's and 4's against city, 3's and 2's against chelsea

It's the bread and butter teams we have struggled to put away and that's what the top 4 is all about.

Of course you have to beat the little teams as well as your rivals to win titles. Liverpool's problem is they don't have a game changing player to do that.

CCM said you do but strangely won't reveal who it is.

I'll leave this thread while someone works out who this mystery player is.

Mane/lallana/coutinho/firmino are all scoring goals and can change a game in an instant and that's without a Sturridge or Origi bang out of form, Ings has never done anything wrong pre his injury and shouldn't be completely forgotten.

Please clarify again what the problem has bean 1.) scoring goals under Klopp, 2.) not having the quality to compete in the big games

you seem to have taken a 0-0 park the bus effort and turned it into the be all and end all

saturday will tell me far more about where we are than that game (in the loosest description of the word) on monday night. A draw is fine against utd if you follow it up with a win against a West Brom (no offence meant) at home.

all seems rather strange to me for anytime to be bigging up their managers when a team of journeymen cantered off with lg,whilst everyone else is backslapping each other saying how well there doing

All good players and they do have their moments but none of them consistently change games. None of them are remotely in the Suarez, Henry, Ronaldo, Vardy (last season) or Aguero league. Not even close.

I'm perfectly happy with this lack of 'game changing player' now we have several players who have been mentioned who are all good enough on their day to produce a winning moment whereas in recent years it's been reliant on that one game changing player.

an outsider might say
shocking at arsenal for 44 mins
shocking at burnley
shocking for 60 mins at swansea
shocking for 70 mins against utd
dont see many burnley,swansea,utd fans thinking there felling trees,
prpbably more absolute shocking mins this season than good ones,but as a l,pool much easier to remember the good mins

That's all pretty fair and a difference from last season we probably wouldn't have recovered in any of them games to win them and when goals were needed they were found.

Once we hit top gear against arsenal we looked different gravy and swansea was the same, I certainly couldn't argue that within a game we have not been consistent so far.

Burnley was a real hit and run with long ball counter attacks which have been a weakness of ours for years. Subtle signs for me that recent games we have been fighting better for the first and second balls in these aerial duels (we used to pretty much allow head tennis up the pitch to concede) and we rarely cleared our lines properly allowing pot shots from the 2nd ball in the box.

Early days but Matip looks very promising in this regard and he would always be missed in the burnley type games as was the case

I'm not convinced with our new keeper, distribution and confidence look as bad as Mignolet so far and crosses look a worry but I'm all for giving him a chance.

I think we've got a fair shout of the top 4 without europe this season but I'm not hugely confident, I'm quite confident the home form will be better but as always time will tell.Not got anything else to add on this now, hopefully not a painful ttt for the thread after saturday

got shot of benteke and although i,m not a fan of sturridge klopp seems to be getting praised for proving sturridges is not upto it,you,d like to think a top manager would be able to get the best out of 70 millions worth of centre forward,dont see them winning the lg with firhmino up front, imo

£70m worth

Can you imagine all the NEGATIVE comments that Klopp couldve got, if he got a goalless draw at OT with 35% of the play.




No, neither can I.

But then he's never claimed to be The Special One

well of course he hasnt,hes never won fk all

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