Big Fat Sam will be another Big Fat Failure

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If Townsend is the best winger in this country we do have real problems.

You're answering your own questions by listing poor players and suggesting replacing  them with even worse players in many cases. What has Wilshire done to deserve a call up? We don't have the quality to begin with.  We are NOT a top nation anymore.

- Hart - Still the best English keeper, regardless of his shocking Euros.  And you want to replace him with?
- Smalling - He has experience and consistency with the aided benefit of playing for a club that has experience in Europe.
- Antonio - give the fella a chance, if he fails then blame Sam.
- Kane - Name a better English striker who you want to replace him with and has scored more goals last season and has played in Europe?
- Jagielka - He has international experience, but it highlights the slim pickings we have for decent defenders.
- Hendo - Even as a Liverpool supporter, this call up puzzles me, he never does anything useful.
- lallana - He has pace, can take players on and create things and international experience.
- Sterling - Pace, can take players on,plays in Europe, creates, and chips in with the odd goal.
- Luke Shaw - Never rated him personally, and I think it's too soon for a call up considering he's done nothing to merit it.

- Barkley - Has great ability, rarely shows it.
- Curtis Davies - oh please!
- Dann - Had the odd decent game playing for relegation battling sides, never good enough for the national side.
- Defoe - Considering his form, and experience, he should be in the squad in my view,age should not matter.  As they say, if you're good enough...
- Noble - Maybe more creative than Hendo, but really offers very little overall.
- Simpson - I don't see much wrong with giving him a call up and being a squad player.
- Townsend - He has impressed me when he has played for England, but rarely impresses me with his various clubs.
- Deeney - England squad player maybe, but deffo not a starter.

I think Sam is more concerned about getting his first win under his belt than anything else.  The last thing any new England manager wants is a bad start, especially with how brutal our papers and media can be. So it does not surprise me that it might seem like it's pretty much the same names as the Euros

The only reason why England in some people's minds are no longer seen as a top nation is because of the cack managers have managed them so badly to a point that you are left with no alternative but to think that way, you are a victim of the FA's incompetence.

Clearly there are some very talented players in there, even in none were top draw, it didn't bother Greece, you only need a good manager to organise a good group well enough in international football because qualification is guaranteed so what you are looking at, is just a 6 game tournament.

Wilshere is pure quality and needs to be in. I don't think you've been watching football in the last few years if you think 34 yo Jagielka, injury prone and fit for the scrapheap is a better alternative that a Dann and Davies...is it because they don't for big clubs? every time I've watched them they've been excellent.

What has Henderson ever done.....EVER?

Rooney offers nothing anymore, Deeney is far more of a worry to defences.

Wilshere is never fit. Why the obsession with him? Weird.

Wilshire is injury prone, just like Jagielka, if not worse than him.  I never suggested Jagielka was better alternative than Dann or Davies, personally I think none of them are good enough.  But when it comes down to it Jagielka is better and has more experience.  Playing for "a big club" does make a difference.  I think you will see I also agreed with you that Hendo is useless.  Rooney offers nothing?  Like the great cross he put in for Ibrahimovic to score the other week?  I am not saying Rooney is amazing, but he is better than the rest of the crap and has experience at the top level, it makes a difference.

Will be 36 in Russia and wont be first choice, I don't see the point in persisting with Jags.
Rooney's best days are long gone, time to cut him adrift and bring younger players in, how many international tournaments has he had now, enough is the answer.
Wilshere is the best player England has and is a probable Balloon Door winner should he ever get a full season, you can make at least one exception with him given his age and ability.

Name someone better than Rooney with experience?   
Wilshire Ballon D'or winner? You're avin a laugh

Wiltshire as to be in the team, shocking omission, Rooney, probably the most overrated player ever to play in the EPL. Englands record goalscorer

14 in friendlies, 16 in WC qualifiers, most against the likes of san marino, macedonia, luxenburg and in the most important World cup final games ONE. ( oh and 6 pens)

Wilshere, you are talking about someone who was MOTM against Barca and Brazil.

A. What has Rooney ever done using his experience with England when it matters?
B. How are younger players supposed to gain experience if you don't give it to the?
C. Rooney's star burnt out years ago, move on people, move on.

What has Rooney ever done, let's see.   5 premier league titles, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, 1 Champions League winners medal, and a World Club winners medal.  Let's compare that to Wilshire.  2 Fa Cups.  Rooney has the experience and winning mentality that Wilshire could only dream of.  Younger players will get experience when they earn the right to play.  If Rooney is burnt out, it again highlights how poor we are as a national side that nobody better can keep him out the national side.  Wilshire never has been and most likely never will be a top players who wins anything.

great career, great stats, all in the past though, never brought his best form to England.

Anyway, it's not a Rooney debate, he is largely irrelevant going forward.

Picking players who are not playing, too old or just because they're from a bigger club = more of the same. Bring in Del Bosque or Lowe.

After what we seen at the Euros who actually Gives a fxck ?

When a thread by starts off by calling someone names you know the OP has little faith in their own argument.

The argument falls apart at the seams, collapses in a heap, more holes than Blackburn, Lancashire, and all because I called him fat, great logic there 1%, about 1% thought put into it.

Your argument would never fill the Albert Hall.

2006, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016

In those 5 tournaments, tell what is was that so good, that warrants Rooney another shot at the World Cup?

Rooney remaining as England captain is just laughable

I like his work ethic, team ethic, selflessness etc, but a if a 24, 26, 28 and 30 yo Rooney doesn't pull up trees at various tournaments, why would a 32yo Rooney? (an old 32yo) He stopped being a match winner when it matters a years ago.

According to Sam his stats speak for themselves....yes they do :

115 appearances and won fook all

that's if losing to Iceland wasn't enough

mesmerised 29 Aug 16 13:06 

'... htf can you leave out Jack Wilshere ...'

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Arsenal OFFERING Wilshire  out on Season long LOAN answers your BEFUDDLED 'Logic'

WTF has the vastly OVERRATED Wilshire ever done?

The official translation for plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose is now England Football Team

Aug 29, 2016 -- 7:31PM, mesmerised wrote:

Wilshere, you are talking about someone who was MOTM against Barca and Brazil.A. What has Rooney ever done using his experience with England when it matters?B. How are younger players supposed to gain experience if you don't give it to the?C. Rooney's star burnt out years ago, move on people, move on.

Will you give this nonsense a rest, Mes. There is no way he was MOTM against that Barca side. More ridiculous hype from ITV. Arsenal scored without having a shot on target. Barca had 68% Possession. All the English media were hyping him up after that match, even asking Pep about him in the press conf afterwards and he said they have lots of players like him in their B team. The Brazil match was a home friendly.

Wenger wants to loan him out because he's not going to get a game and his attitude stinks. And you think Barca are going to take him on loan?

presumably when mes says Wilshere could be on his way to Barcelona he means to UE Sant Andreu

or the Axel Hotel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNATMQUEZEQ have a look at this MOTM performance if you don't believe me.

Messi scored twice, Xavi scored. Iniesta played very well. 10 shots on target to 0, 724 passes completed to 199. 69% possession. 3-1 with arsenal scoring from an OG.

But Wilshere was MOTM

Need to learn to have a feel for the game instead of swallowing stats, clearly was the stand out player, also, MOTM, v City when Champions and winner of BBC's goal of the season. Also, who cares what Guardiola thinks, "bought a Ferrari and drove it like a Fiat", - Zlatan.

Give Allardyce a chance. I've been impressed with his interviews so far, very honest and certainly talks like he knows what he's doing. The best candidate by far if like me you believe that the England coach should be English. Should have got the job when McLaren did. I liked the article that said he was looking into N'Zonzi's availability shows that he is prepared to "look outside the box". He's done this throughout his career and some of his methods e.g ice baths for speedier recovery and computer tracking of players are now everyday stuff at all clubs.
For what it's worth I wouldn't have picked Wilshire either, a great talent but of no use in the treatment room.

In what other industry would you give such a prominent, highly paid and sought after job to a 60 year old with a track record that wouldn't even see him make a long list let alone a short list for any top company.

Truth is looking at the recent history of English coaches, there's not much to choose from, 1992 last time a league title was one in a top league. That is one damning stat. Need to go foreign, German even, Lowe.

Set up seems amaturishas well, Hodgson's assistant Lewington looked and sounded like a pub coach as does Little Sam, England needs real professionals not chancers.

Go on then. Give us your shortlist of 5 managers who were available after the Euros.

Messi was the standout player. Reality check

tbf isn't Mes referring to the Arsenal win over Barca as a game where Wilshere was MOM , rather than the one they didn't get a kick

Yes - the one five years ago

I predict Big Sam will do better in the World Cup finals in 2018 than Roy Hodgson did in 2014.

I also predict he will take England further than Fabio or Even ever did and the team will be more enjoyable to watch.

The people moaning about him being appointed are more than likely to be the same people who wet their beds when Jose was appointed United manager.

The OP's attitude is typically English.  Reputation and marketing above current form.  That attitude explains why we go into big tournies carrying loads of croaks and half-fit players who are practically useless to the cause.
As a hammer I would say Antonio may not be that polished but if Barkeley or Wiltshire had half his desire and hunger they would not be the desperate disappointments they are now.

Contrast England's football team with the GB's track cycling team.

England qualify with a 100% record to get to the Euros then fall flat n their face against Iceland - a country with a population less than Wakefield.

The UK's cycling team however goes to the Olympics and cleans up with 6 golds, 4 silvers & a bronze. There were only 10 golds on offer. The rest of the teams went mad, said GB must be cheating because they had done FA since they cleaned up at the last olympics!

Who is doing a better job?

at least let him get a few points lost before charging into the poor man .. SAM THE MAN  ...SOON SEE ..

Luke Shaw, 3 games in over 18 months but in over Cresswell ?

Not a good example for the OP'S argument, yes 3 games in 18 months but has looked like he's never been away.....should be one of the first names on the team sheet for years to come.

Plus Cresswell has a long term injury

Rashford omitted due to lack of game time for United, but Smalling included despite lack of game time for United.

All the more strange when you consider that Rashford frightens the hell out of opposing players whilst Smalling frightens the hell out of his own players.

it was the same with oxo got a reputation after a no more than decent 1st half against an out of sorts milan side,milan sorted themselves out at halftime and oxo never got a kick and went missing in the 2nd half and has never been sighted since,think that was 3 years ago

I think that you have to give Big Sam a chance before we start criticising him, we didn't want Roy initially. Lets all get behind him atleast for a few games !!!!!!!

Love to see him do well but fear he is totally out of his depth just like Roy

Big sam and little sam both looked out of their respective depths today on the training ground!!

This squad looks dreadful and you do wonder what we're building towards, but of course this is England and we're never actually building towards anything, just make it up as we go along and hope it comes good at the big tournament which we never play our best team at.

badgerhillbilly • August 30, 2016 10:42 PM BST
I think that you have to give Big Sam a chance before we start criticising him, we didn't want Roy initially. Lets all get behind him atleast for a few games !!!!!!!

People didn't want Roy and were proven exactly correct?

couldn't agree more.

eyeball    30 Aug 16 23:21 
Love to see him do well but fear he is totally out of his depth just like Roy





How much out of depth would all these top managers have been with that squad at Sunderland?

It`s not the manager that`s the problem but the available player pool and until there is a change in the structure of English football that `s the way it is.All other nations have a lot more to pick from in their own leagues top division plus players playing abroad.The premier league has too much money for England to reach the very top of world football tbh they do well to do as they do.

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Its not the player pool either the mentality of the England players is they cannot be bothered after the season has finished.NO PRIDE SIMPLE.

And for planning do you think wales planned to get to the semi final of euro2016 3 or 4 years ago?I don't they worked hard for it and they got it from pure graft.Our players think i'm to tired.

pure gatf and willshire are totally apart let willsire have his nighf clubs pit as he had talent but  as with gasgoine history repeating itself

Thought heads would have rolled with his first squad, unfortunately not the case,

think he said in an interview leading up to the game that this was the most difficult game in the group, and he'd "take a draw",

I hope he can do well, it's about time someone made a fist of it, but it's not going to inspire the fans naming near enough the same team and playing your chances against Slovakia down.

AlLARDice..heres the plan.....
I don't care if we lose every game for a year or two...
Please come to your senses....
Rooney Gone necking champers on a yacht within hours of our disgraceful demise in Euros.
Cahill Gone
Smalling Gone
Lallana Sorry but gone
Walker Gone  sexting his urgent need to get out of France to be...well you know..
Jagielka Please Gone
Hart Don't get me going
Sturridge gone
Henderson gone

Nucleus of new team...

Vardi and Kane
Oxlade
Rose
Dier
Sterling...only cos he's still young and may realise haircuts don't make you a better player
Alli
Can't think of anybody else right now... but Samuel the Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

Btw I remember when Walter Winterbottom was Manager.
Please post any exciting young players so I can check them out.

Thanks.

Btw...wish Pep could have been in the loop for Manager...
Already I'm impressed with his view that Hart was not part of his
long term strategy.

Btw...wish Pep could have been in the loop for Manager...
Already I'm impressed with his view that Hart was not part of his
long term strategy.

I don't think this Slovakian side are as good as Iceland, however they're plenty good enough to see off this England team.  Have you seen their home record.

Can't understand why so many here are wetting their beds. This is an away qualifier. Most countries with a new manager would be very happy with a point.

We all know Hodgson was an addled old fool, we saw that at his last press conference. Big Sam will send a confident team out today. Stop your crying and see what he delivers.

All the best Sam, I hope we win 6-0.

sir alfs first game saw them lose 5-2.

Stones and Sterling.  At club level managed by the most innovative coach of this era.  With England managed by the 'play the percentages' maestro.  Quite contrasting experiences.

If England lose Sam will have the Euros lack of form conformed for those who have forgotten.
I expect a big clear out of the England squad over the first few games.

anyone interested, england 21/20 with fred.

Vardy not starting a bad sign. He's our one player that any other nation would take.

Agree about Vardy.  He is unique in that his first thought is "where is the f***ing goal"

Spain or Germany would never be happy with a point, there lies the difference and sets a bad precedent going forward.

morpteh mackem    04 Sep 16 10:59 
sir alfs first game saw them lose 5-2.





Thankfully, no social media then.

Hodgson's England were the only team to qualify for the 2016 Euros with 100% record. Look where that got us.

The most important thing today is England play solidly and Big Sam goes nuts if the defence shows any frailty.

hardly the dawn of a new era for English football is it.. oh dear more of the same on the way

big fat sam with his big fat head and play the percentages style of play

You could have picked a squad from the championship who could outperform this overpaid useless bunch of cr5p

if they dont win against slovakia who are no better than a pub team he needs to be sacked

It is getting to the stage where some England player will get 200 caps and announce that he will retire when he is 65.

lost count of the number of tournaments rooney has bombed out in, we now have the ludicrous situation where rooneys been shoe horned into a midfield role in which theres a full tournament evidence not 3 months ago that he failed miserably in that position,no chance of him improving on that in the next world cup,ali should be giving the chance to see if he can do the job in front of rooney

apparently the FA asked old whiskey nose for advice because as a loyal scot he's bound to have englands best interests at heart

dont think hes stopped laughing since

Not one player from the top two teams  in the Prem from last season , wonder when that last happened

unlucky for leicester players, but theres no-one at arsenal could really pick

1 - 0 to Slovakia on the national anthem front.

we must have worst national anthem, complete archaic ,meaningless drivel

Natural predator

Agree MM unlike the yanks anthem all about kicking our ar$es maybe they could lease it out to anyone we play football against

Simple thing is if portugal can win a euro championship then england can its a team game.

Team game or not, we do not possess a Ronaldo.

how long (if ever) before Big Sam realises this was the same shower of ****, especially Rooney, that has repeatedly failed.

who needs ronaldo we got henderson.