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Whilst all eyes are on the qf between Portugal and Poland the bookies seem to have priced up another match totally wrong.
Just why are Infonet 14/1 against Hearts in the europa league tonight?
Infonet are 2nd top of their league, 1 point behind the leaders. W 12 D 3 L 2. They're half way through their league so still fit, they played just last week
winning 3-1. Hearts haven't played for 7 weeks! No way they can be match fit after such a lay off. Even if they were fit which they won't be, are they really 1/4 shots and 14/1 for the away side. Is the SPL really that much better than the Estonian league?
Remember Hearts were in the 1st division just 1 season ago. They're hardly a force.
Tallin have spent a fair bit in the last two years and are full of experience with players who have played at International level with Estonia and Russia.
At 14/1 on here they have to be worth a cheeky fiver
You can also get 11/10 Tallin +2
Just why are Infonet 14/1 against Hearts in the europa league tonight?
Infonet are 2nd top of their league, 1 point behind the leaders. W 12 D 3 L 2. They're half way through their league so still fit, they played just last week
winning 3-1. Hearts haven't played for 7 weeks! No way they can be match fit after such a lay off. Even if they were fit which they won't be, are they really 1/4 shots and 14/1 for the away side. Is the SPL really that much better than the Estonian league?
Remember Hearts were in the 1st division just 1 season ago. They're hardly a force.
Tallin have spent a fair bit in the last two years and are full of experience with players who have played at International level with Estonia and Russia.
At 14/1 on here they have to be worth a cheeky fiver
You can also get 11/10 Tallin +2
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Fair post mate...plus hearts have lots of new players to fit in...Conor Sammon, Robbie Muirhead etc
Yes was a good spot.
10s on Fred and 12s on Laddies.
Worth a bet, hopefully be thanking you later.
10s on Fred and 12s on Laddies.
Worth a bet, hopefully be thanking you later.
It really is a toss up, could go either way. Just think the prices are way wrong
Here's a bit from the Hearts manager. Doesn't sound too confident or happy with the time they've had
The Hearts squad only had four weeks off before returning for pre-season training, but Neilson believes the short break means that they returned in relatively fit state.
He believes it will take four or five games for them to gain full match sharpness, but is confident they can progress through the first round to face either Siroki Brijeg of Bosnia or Birkirkara of Malta in the second qualifying round.
"They'll be ready." he told BBC Scotland. "It's early in pre-season and it's not the best of preparation you could have because it's such a short turnaround, but we have to be prepared.
"They've invested a lot in the last couple of years. They've brought in a lot of international players, from Estonia and Russia, so there's experience there.
Here's a bit from the Hearts manager. Doesn't sound too confident or happy with the time they've had
The Hearts squad only had four weeks off before returning for pre-season training, but Neilson believes the short break means that they returned in relatively fit state.
He believes it will take four or five games for them to gain full match sharpness, but is confident they can progress through the first round to face either Siroki Brijeg of Bosnia or Birkirkara of Malta in the second qualifying round.
"They'll be ready." he told BBC Scotland. "It's early in pre-season and it's not the best of preparation you could have because it's such a short turnaround, but we have to be prepared.
"They've invested a lot in the last couple of years. They've brought in a lot of international players, from Estonia and Russia, so there's experience there.
Hearts were extremely undervalued when the odds were released. Unfortunately I missed the early prices.
It would be amazing to me if there really was a team that has qualified for Europe that should be 14/1 against a 2nd rate SPL side
I'm going to have a bet on it on the strength of James's post, sounds good to me, I'm hoping to recoup losses I sustained from a bet I placed on Austria at the start of the Euros
Hope you've got a big bank if you're listening to me duffy 
Infonet have only played 2 games this month them self's and 1 was a friendly, there was a month's gap between league games. Their ground capacity is 1000. They don't seem to have ever played in Europe. 
To put thing's into prospective, Levadia, who top Infonet's League, are currently drawing 1-1 at home to HB Torshavn from the Faroe isles. Not having a got at the bet here, just adding another opinion and balancing up the argument. 
currently drawing 1-1 at home to HB Torshavn from the Faroe isles.
the sort of result Hearts would get
the sort of result Hearts would get
Last year, at ts time, HB were beaten 7-1 on aggy by Trakai, a from a team from Lithuania , HTH.
Jun 30, 2016 -- 6:09PM, tobermory wrote:
It would be amazing to me if there really was a team that has qualified for Europe that should be 14/1 against a 2nd rate SPL side
That's not even big. What about San Marino sides?
Joe. You've not mentioned the prices once.
Nobody is denying Hearts should win or be favs.
If they played each other 14 times with the same players at their fitness just now, do you think Tallin would win any of the 14 games?
Nobody is denying Hearts should win or be favs.
If they played each other 14 times with the same players at their fitness just now, do you think Tallin would win any of the 14 games?
If you don't think they will win, it does not matter how good the price is, why back it? Not looking to start an argument here, just giving my opinion. For the record, I'll be having Sammon @ 13/8 to score anytime. He starts for the Hearts 
If anyone is watching, keep a look out for no.8 from Infonet. Estonia's version of Andy Caroll.
You've got a bit to learn joe but goodluck with sammon. Hope he scores for ya and a 2-1 win for infonet
Scottish football is ****. I'd have 14/1 AFP to beat them.
Lets have a punt £5 @ 13's on Infonet...lets hope Hearts lose an early goal
Come on my Eesti friends rip the heart out of the Jammies!
Infonet all over them apparantley and looking the better side
Infonet missed 3 sitters according to radio
Very even game
Very even game
talk about pressing the self destruct button .. gone for +5.5 now
If you don't think they will win, it does not matter how good the price is, why back it?
Why does what people 'think will win' matter ? No one knows the future.
So it is all about probabilty / prices
Why does what people 'think will win' matter ? No one knows the future.
So it is all about probabilty / prices
Aberdeen 0-0 after an hour at home to a side from Luxembourg
Good luck to the people punting SPL sides at Barca type odds in this comp ,thy're gonna need it
Good luck to the people punting SPL sides at Barca type odds in this comp ,thy're gonna need it
i dont know why they dont play summer football in scotland, theyd be more prepared for these games but thatd be small fry compared to the other benefits.
the pitches would be in decent condition, the weather would be better, theyd probably get a bit of sky money seen as all theyve got over the summer is county cricket and youth rugby, itd be better for the fans. the rest of the northern european countries do it.
mind you if you were a regular at a scottish club the thought of sitting through the long dark winters with no football on doesnt bare thinking about.
the days where spl clubs had to worry about all the top players going off to play at big championships are long gone and are not comin gback.
the pitches would be in decent condition, the weather would be better, theyd probably get a bit of sky money seen as all theyve got over the summer is county cricket and youth rugby, itd be better for the fans. the rest of the northern european countries do it.
mind you if you were a regular at a scottish club the thought of sitting through the long dark winters with no football on doesnt bare thinking about.
the days where spl clubs had to worry about all the top players going off to play at big championships are long gone and are not comin gback.
lol barney i just read that score update from the dons, still 1-1 
£15 Belgium 5.5
Belgium have to shorten whoever wins here as the quality is so bad
Belgium have to shorten whoever wins here as the quality is so bad
in the semi final id expect them to be 1.9 to qualify against portugal and 1.6 v poland so you might be right
Quite even game by all accounts. Hearts had 3 shots on target and scored twice. Tallin had 8
but only scored once.
Own goal and a penalty for Hearts.
Handicap bet landed pity about the away win bet
but only scored once.
Own goal and a penalty for Hearts.
Handicap bet landed pity about the away win bet
i imagine hearts will be better for the run out in terms of match fitness and will beat them away from home aswell.
Good tip JD
Incredible how overrated the SPL is at this level , recall Rangers being 1.4 v Malmo , and then all the times Celtic get turned over in the summer
Incredible how overrated the SPL is at this level , recall Rangers being 1.4 v Malmo , and then all the times Celtic get turned over in the summer
not sure its been that overrated since malmo beat hibs 25-0 or whatever it was ...
Hearts and Aberdeen going off about 1.30 would suggest someone is overrating it
at this level ...malmo the swedish champions beat nine man rangers in the CL qualifier ,then they beat celtic in the same comp before thrashing hibs 7-0 in the Europa .
The Estonia side Infonet Tallinn are hardly in that league ,must be ranked 500 plus ,not sure what you are talking about Tobermory ...are you ?
The Estonia side Infonet Tallinn are hardly in that league ,must be ranked 500 plus ,not sure what you are talking about Tobermory ...are you ?
I totally forget about the europa quallies, great spot that on the 14/1, win or lose that's a silly price.
Was it in-play ? Did you/Could you have greened up?
Was it in-play ? Did you/Could you have greened up?
Jun 30, 2016 -- 11:17PM, breadnbutter wrote:
at this level ...malmo the swedish champions beat nine man rangers in the CL qualifier ,then they beat celtic in the same comp before thrashing hibs 7-0 in the Europa .The Estonia side Infonet Tallinn are hardly in that league ,must be ranked 500 plus ,not sure what you are talking about Tobermory ...are you ?
'At this level' = the level of teams who's European season is in June and July . Scottish teams are stupidly short odds year after year ,hardly any of them are still around in September. How does Malmo being much stronger than Infonet make what i am saying wrong ? The SPL champions are much stronger than Hearts aren't they
last year i think a scottish side went out to a side from armenia, being match fit is massive no matter the difference in quality. when fully fit the scottish sides could probably trounce them but hearts and aberdeen have only played 1 match each before tonight, the 14/1 was crazy odds.
Jun 30, 2016 -- 11:07PM, tobermory wrote:
Hearts and Aberdeen going off about 1.30 would suggest someone is overrating it
Hearts were probably the right price. They opened at around 1.7 which was great value.
No Idea about Aberdeen.
Unlucky JD, anyone see what price Infonet went down at 0-1?
On another night we could easily have put 6 or 7 past the Luxemburgers. I don't think I've ever seen so many stramashes in a single game, which we just couldn't batter in. And the 7 minutes of IT were very kind to them, their physio got a lot of pitch time. You could see how they managed to get a draw away against Dinamo Zagreb last season, very organised.
The prices for the early rounds are mostly guesswork, not many people are experts at Estonian or Luxembourg football.
I can't remember specific prices, but I wouldn't say Scottish teams are 'stupidly' short every year. Suppose it depends on your definition of stupid though.
On another night we could easily have put 6 or 7 past the Luxemburgers. I don't think I've ever seen so many stramashes in a single game, which we just couldn't batter in. And the 7 minutes of IT were very kind to them, their physio got a lot of pitch time. You could see how they managed to get a draw away against Dinamo Zagreb last season, very organised.
The prices for the early rounds are mostly guesswork, not many people are experts at Estonian or Luxembourg football.
I can't remember specific prices, but I wouldn't say Scottish teams are 'stupidly' short every year. Suppose it depends on your definition of stupid though.
They were around the 3 (2/1) mark just before Hearts scored the equaliser.
It's getting teeams who are fit at this stage of the season against ones who are not.
Remember Brataslava gave Celtic 5 in first leg cl years ago. They were a terrible team but had a fitness edge over Celtic. We beat the 4 in 2nd leg but went out. With no disrespect to Aberdeen/Hearts etc but you couldn't be confident backing them against anybody at any time never mind pre season at 1/4 in Europe.
Hibs play in 2 weeks time. Be interesting to see who they get as they are even worse than the 2 teams mentioned above.
It's getting teeams who are fit at this stage of the season against ones who are not.
Remember Brataslava gave Celtic 5 in first leg cl years ago. They were a terrible team but had a fitness edge over Celtic. We beat the 4 in 2nd leg but went out. With no disrespect to Aberdeen/Hearts etc but you couldn't be confident backing them against anybody at any time never mind pre season at 1/4 in Europe.
Hibs play in 2 weeks time. Be interesting to see who they get as they are even worse than the 2 teams mentioned above.
I could - although I'm biased
Aye, McGinn was a standout last night, I'm sure his NI adventure this month had a lot to do with that.
Hibs will get Brondby in the next round, unless Valur overturn a 4-1 home loss, so that'll be a quick end to their campaign.
Aye, McGinn was a standout last night, I'm sure his NI adventure this month had a lot to do with that.
Hibs will get Brondby in the next round, unless Valur overturn a 4-1 home loss, so that'll be a quick end to their campaign.
Be interesting to see how they price up the Hearts return leg.
Anyone any thoughts on what it should be?
Anyone any thoughts on what it should be?
Jul 1, 2016 -- 4:30PM, akabula wrote:
Be interesting to see how they price up the Hearts return leg.Anyone any thoughts on what it should be?
1.6 maybe 1.7ish
Hearts have been pushed out to evens with some books. That's a great bet.
Can't really speak for Hearts, since I know nothing about Infonet bar the occasional bored mug punt every now and then, but Aberdeen should be too good for Fola in the second leg, we were much better than them all over the pitch last week.
I'd be careful though, remember with a two goal lead we don't need to win, and McInnes certainly isn't the most attack-minded manager we've ever had. I'll certainly be waiting for team news and there'll definitely be safer bets about.
I'd be careful though, remember with a two goal lead we don't need to win, and McInnes certainly isn't the most attack-minded manager we've ever had. I'll certainly be waiting for team news and there'll definitely be safer bets about.
i backed infonet earlier this week @9/2 with corals, the very early risers couldve had 6/1 with hills, hearts out to 13/10 on here
I know nothing really about Hearts but the prices are ridiculous. I really don't understand why Hearts keep drifting.
Jul 5, 2016 -- 10:24PM, iamajambo wrote:
If you'd watched last weeks game then you would.
Not that I like talking Infonet down, but there's a massive gulf between these two sides.
Apart from Harin's goal which was excellent, Infonet shouldn't really have been in the match. Now Infonet may get something and I hope they do, but the prices are completely wrong here.
We were lucky to win.They were the better side.
As we all know Scottish football is dire. It took Aberdeen added on time to beat a team from Luxembourg for goodness sake.
There's no way that I'd be betting Hearts to win tomorrow.
As we all know Scottish football is dire. It took Aberdeen added on time to beat a team from Luxembourg for goodness sake.
There's no way that I'd be betting Hearts to win tomorrow.
3-0 Hearts @ 1/2 time ... only for Info to come storming back to make it 1-3 after 51mins ... they thought it was all over 
Jul 7, 2016 -- 2:30PM, CJ70 wrote:
What price did Hearts go off at?
Took Hearts at 1.8x on Monday. Couldn't believe it was drifting higher.
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