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This is directed to actual fans, and not the idiots on here that on a constant anti-English wind up (Hamsterdam, Cricketc*nt2, Outpost, ect).
I know we won't win the trophy, that fourth favorites is ludicrous and as soon as we come up against a half technically decent outfit like Portugal or Belgium it'll probably be penalties then home, but we can still be excited and support the side, can't we? The Tottenham contingent, Vardy and Rashford have come out of nowhere, and we have a very exciting team, even if not a potential tournament winning team. And we showed when we beat Germany we can beat anyone, so it isn't like we're going there as a Scotland or Gareth-Bale-less Wales, we should put up a fight against anyone.
Anyway, I can't wait for it to start. Three big games against good teams in the group.
I know we won't win the trophy, that fourth favorites is ludicrous and as soon as we come up against a half technically decent outfit like Portugal or Belgium it'll probably be penalties then home, but we can still be excited and support the side, can't we? The Tottenham contingent, Vardy and Rashford have come out of nowhere, and we have a very exciting team, even if not a potential tournament winning team. And we showed when we beat Germany we can beat anyone, so it isn't like we're going there as a Scotland or Gareth-Bale-less Wales, we should put up a fight against anyone.
Anyway, I can't wait for it to start. Three big games against good teams in the group.
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why are people so negative to England ....I know we wont win the trophy.
I suggest that's a good start if your looking to be negative
I suggest that's a good start if your looking to be negative
plenty of reasons to be optimistic with the forwards at their disposal. conversely i've never been so pessimistic about Germany's chances and i fear the worst.
Generally when we go with high hopes or at least some expectation the end result of being knocked out makes the feeling of loss that much more palpable- over the years since 1970 I have experienced all of the hope but ultimately it ends in disappointment
I didn't highlight your rhetorical question, I highlighted your obtuse answer.
imo most people think we have a fair chance, the market forces are predicting we should make the semi finals before being knocked out by spain
Wasn't everyone similarly optimistic ahead of the last World Cup?
JC1326 • June 2, 2016 3:28 PM BST
All right. Still a mug response
couldn't agree more, bet you wish you could take it back....never mind live and learn.
All right. Still a mug response
couldn't agree more, bet you wish you could take it back....never mind live and learn.
we had a fully fit roaring rooney surrounded by probably better and more experienced players in past comps and still beat most of the fans home
probably because every single tournament since 1966 the media hype up the nation to an expectancy of winning it. Couple that with mega hype for any new player to the side that can kick a ball. This years nominations for the mega hype include Kane, Rashford, Vardy etc. etc.
gotta be honest, I can't say I ever see this hype thing? Then again, I don't read newspapers?
JC1326, there is a little bit of hype about Rashford but that's about it imo. you're right that people in general are way too negative about England. Unfortunately its combination of the English mentality of wanting to knock people down plus the club rivalries overspilling into international football.
Feeling the need to weigh in here..
The reason for negativity is that England are under achieving
Hugely
You have massive resources
I am welsh
we are scratching around the lower leagues to fill out the squad
as are norn iron and the republic
By that standard there must be at least a 1000 professionals in this country capable of representing you at an international tourny
Yet you are flucking useless
The rugby team have been to 2 world cup finals
the cricket team the best test team in the world
About a dozen F1 world champs since 66
Half a dozen heavy weight world champs
Umpteen major golf champions
Andy Murray has won wimbledon and 2 Brits have won the flucking Tour de France for fecks sake
I give you this from Luis Suarez in his book 'Crossing The Line'..
'I genuinely love english football but England have gone out of another world cup and another debate was about to start; the post mortems began. When people talk about a lack of resources it makes me laugh. If England over there in the first world dont have enough resources, with the quality and quantity of players there are, with the facilities that they have to train, with the economic muscle the game has there, with the millions of players there are, where does that leave the rest of us? Where does that leave Uruguay?'
YOur football team is a national disgrace
Already you have been out possessioned by the might of Turkey and Australia in 2 friendlies
IF portugal turn up the night in the mood they were the other night you are in serious trouble
God help youse
The reason for negativity is that England are under achieving
Hugely
You have massive resources
I am welsh
we are scratching around the lower leagues to fill out the squad
as are norn iron and the republic
By that standard there must be at least a 1000 professionals in this country capable of representing you at an international tourny
Yet you are flucking useless
The rugby team have been to 2 world cup finals
the cricket team the best test team in the world
About a dozen F1 world champs since 66
Half a dozen heavy weight world champs
Umpteen major golf champions
Andy Murray has won wimbledon and 2 Brits have won the flucking Tour de France for fecks sake
I give you this from Luis Suarez in his book 'Crossing The Line'..
'I genuinely love english football but England have gone out of another world cup and another debate was about to start; the post mortems began. When people talk about a lack of resources it makes me laugh. If England over there in the first world dont have enough resources, with the quality and quantity of players there are, with the facilities that they have to train, with the economic muscle the game has there, with the millions of players there are, where does that leave the rest of us? Where does that leave Uruguay?'
YOur football team is a national disgrace
Already you have been out possessioned by the might of Turkey and Australia in 2 friendlies
IF portugal turn up the night in the mood they were the other night you are in serious trouble
God help youse
It's not being negative it's being realistic and about time too.
They're a terrible team. Only positive is the English media now realise that and we don't have to hear all the garbage about
how well they're going to do these days.
Just change the word negative to realistic from the thread title, ta.
They're a terrible team. Only positive is the English media now realise that and we don't have to hear all the garbage about
how well they're going to do these days.
Just change the word negative to realistic from the thread title, ta.
Thelatarps, anyone who tries to compare the achievements of the rugby team and cricket to the football team has clearly got an agenda. It's an absolutely ridiculous comparison. As you are well aware most of the world doesn't play these sports. Football is the one truly worldwide sport. Other sports are irrelevant. Being outpossessioned by teams is also irrelevant.
Its a good point mr asparagus
The whole world does play the beautiful game
but the world cup isnt going anywhere outside of europe or south america anytime soon
In fact its prob not going to anyone out of europe for that matter in the near future considering they have won the last 3
England are one of the big nations in europe
along with france, spain, italy and germany
That leaves you in a select group of 5 for this tournament
These are teams who really have to see anything but the semi final as failure
Living in the land of the oval ball as i do, I would argue that the World cup win in 2003 was a huge achievement
Rugby Union is weighted toward the southern hemisphere nations almost as much as soccer is to europe.
For Clive Woodward, Martin Johnson, Dallaglio, Wilkinson to do what they did in australia was a phenomenon.
The only team from europe to win it after all.
As a callow youth i remember cheering on the aussies that day.
Remember turning to a more sober corner of the bar to see many older more knowledgable welsh rugby followers privately celebrating the red rose success.
They knew what it meant for british rugby
Now I am older I can see they were right.
Just can not see the same thing happening for the soccer team
sorry
The whole world does play the beautiful game
but the world cup isnt going anywhere outside of europe or south america anytime soon
In fact its prob not going to anyone out of europe for that matter in the near future considering they have won the last 3
England are one of the big nations in europe
along with france, spain, italy and germany
That leaves you in a select group of 5 for this tournament
These are teams who really have to see anything but the semi final as failure
Living in the land of the oval ball as i do, I would argue that the World cup win in 2003 was a huge achievement
Rugby Union is weighted toward the southern hemisphere nations almost as much as soccer is to europe.
For Clive Woodward, Martin Johnson, Dallaglio, Wilkinson to do what they did in australia was a phenomenon.
The only team from europe to win it after all.
As a callow youth i remember cheering on the aussies that day.
Remember turning to a more sober corner of the bar to see many older more knowledgable welsh rugby followers privately celebrating the red rose success.
They knew what it meant for british rugby
Now I am older I can see they were right.
Just can not see the same thing happening for the soccer team
sorry
Why are people so negative about England?
This is the sort of question asked by England fans under 30.
50 years since we won the WC...on home ground
What have we achived. 1 WC semi 1 EC semi on home ground.
Why are we so negative? Hmmmm..let me think.
This is the sort of question asked by England fans under 30.
50 years since we won the WC...on home ground
What have we achived. 1 WC semi 1 EC semi on home ground.
Why are we so negative? Hmmmm..let me think.
I'm the only England fan on here looking forward to our matches then? 
TheBaron, that has nothing to do with the current team.
Thelatarps, I'm not a close follower of rugby so can't tell you about the achievement of England winning the world cup other than outside of the Uk only 4 or 5 other countries are contenders.
What i can say is for England in this tournament the goal has to be the semi finals or better, though I'd see a quarter final defeat as an acceptable performance depending on how that defeat occurs. I just don't understand the negativity before the tournament has even started. England have a squad who all want to play for the team rather than to satisfy their individual ego's and who we should be getting behind. Very few countries are hostile to their players like England 'fans' are.
Thelatarps, I'm not a close follower of rugby so can't tell you about the achievement of England winning the world cup other than outside of the Uk only 4 or 5 other countries are contenders.
What i can say is for England in this tournament the goal has to be the semi finals or better, though I'd see a quarter final defeat as an acceptable performance depending on how that defeat occurs. I just don't understand the negativity before the tournament has even started. England have a squad who all want to play for the team rather than to satisfy their individual ego's and who we should be getting behind. Very few countries are hostile to their players like England 'fans' are.
My experience of dealing with england fans is unconditional support until they lose and then the grumbling starts
Cant actually remember tomatoes pelting the players as has happened in italy on occasion
Effigies of hugo sanchez burning in the streets of mexico city
Or mock executions for Brazilian keepers in rio
Forumites are punters
We are realistic.
We know that backing an england team which is in transition and is going to be wildly different from the one that went through qualifying, backing them at 8/1 or whatever is no value at all.
2yrs ago england were 100/1
that was barely value.
Hodgson may get it right and find himself some sort of magic combination
Best of luck to him
Could happen
But at these odds?
sorry no.
Cant actually remember tomatoes pelting the players as has happened in italy on occasion
Effigies of hugo sanchez burning in the streets of mexico city
Or mock executions for Brazilian keepers in rio
Forumites are punters
We are realistic.
We know that backing an england team which is in transition and is going to be wildly different from the one that went through qualifying, backing them at 8/1 or whatever is no value at all.
2yrs ago england were 100/1
that was barely value.
Hodgson may get it right and find himself some sort of magic combination
Best of luck to him
Could happen
But at these odds?
sorry no.
TheBaron, that has nothing to do with the current team.
The same thing is said everytime.
Talk about not learning from history.
The same thing is said everytime.Talk about not learning from history.
The Baron, we are talking about supporting the team, not betting on them to win. It's pathetic imo to have your attitude.
DIE LINKE
02 Jun 16 15:04
plenty of reasons to be optimistic with the forwards at their disposal. conversely i've never been so pessimistic about Germany's chances and i fear the worst.
We all know this only ends one way !
02 Jun 16 15:04
plenty of reasons to be optimistic with the forwards at their disposal. conversely i've never been so pessimistic about Germany's chances and i fear the worst.
We all know this only ends one way !
I'm negative largely because I don't think our players are as good as other teams' players
It's pathetic imo to have your attitude.
Thats what 50 years of watching shite England teams does to you
Thats what 50 years of watching shite England teams does to you
Defensibly they still have too many players not good enough to play at international level.
Attacking options are probably the best they have had for a few years.
On balance the weaknesses in defence will be shown up next week.
They should get through GROUP stage though......and hopefully they get a bit luck in avoiding the more technically gifted teams until later stages .
Attacking options are probably the best they have had for a few years.
On balance the weaknesses in defence will be shown up next week.
They should get through GROUP stage though......and hopefully they get a bit luck in avoiding the more technically gifted teams until later stages .
JC I hate all the hype, the insular ignorance towards the other teams, whether we are good are not (which we're not) doesn't bother me......I'd just prefer a team like Spain win.
My gripe with England is that we're never really good or bad. We stay in the safe middle ground the players too frightened to go for it. The mentality of the players has always been this way and I see no reason why it should change.
I would get behind an England team that really gave it a go regardless of the result ...but its 50 years and I'm still waiting.
I would get behind an England team that really gave it a go regardless of the result ...but its 50 years and I'm still waiting.
I don't see anything in this England team that is any different from any England side going into a major tournament in living memory. Our players are still technically inferior, with less intelligence. Same shape, same weaknesses. Only thing that has changed is some of the names. I've said it before and I'll say it again. How far we go depends purely on how long we can go on getting drawn against weak sides.
England are poor in the technical dept compared to the likes of France,Spain,Germany.
They play the same old same old football.
The last technically gifted footballer England had was Gasgoigne.
As soon as they concede,heads drop.
Pundits big up these England players on a weekly basis but soon as they get to a big tournament they flop because they are not playing with other European players (with whom they normally play with) of better technical quality.
In short England are sh!te,garbage,also ran's, there to make up the numbers only.
They play the same old same old football.
The last technically gifted footballer England had was Gasgoigne.
As soon as they concede,heads drop.
Pundits big up these England players on a weekly basis but soon as they get to a big tournament they flop because they are not playing with other European players (with whom they normally play with) of better technical quality.
In short England are sh!te,garbage,also ran's, there to make up the numbers only.
Simple:
The last time England beat a major nation in a knockout game, in either the World Cup or the Euros,
during match-time, was 1966
A staggering statistic
The last time England beat a major nation in a knockout game, in either the World Cup or the Euros,
during match-time, was 1966
A staggering statistic
i think people are negative because roy hodgson is the man leading them or i certainly am and after another 2 years he still hasn't built a team who actually know what they doing or are capable of playing as a unit...
it was the same at the world cup in which his set up with baines and johnson attacking overlapping full backs, with wellbeck and sterling in front of them, all you could do was shut your eyes and prey we wouldn't get a good hiding the man is a fool
i understand any manager who is trying to find his best team but a decision should be made early enough so we are at least organized going into an event, hodgson is media driven and has yet to find the right blend and once again we don't know what he is going to do and neither do the team
tonight a great opportunity to put out your best team not best hyped players best TEAM roy he really has no clue what he is doing imo
it was the same at the world cup in which his set up with baines and johnson attacking overlapping full backs, with wellbeck and sterling in front of them, all you could do was shut your eyes and prey we wouldn't get a good hiding the man is a fool
i understand any manager who is trying to find his best team but a decision should be made early enough so we are at least organized going into an event, hodgson is media driven and has yet to find the right blend and once again we don't know what he is going to do and neither do the team
tonight a great opportunity to put out your best team not best hyped players best TEAM roy he really has no clue what he is doing imo
nothing ever changes
England are still lacking in almost every aspect of the game and do not appear to have learned from all their mistakes in the last 40 years.
They just keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
England are still lacking in almost every aspect of the game and do not appear to have learned from all their mistakes in the last 40 years.
They just keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
People are negative because of Hodgson. The man oozes mediocrity. A dinosaur.
Jun 2, 2016 -- 3:41PM, cool_hand_luke wrote:
JC1326 • June 2, 2016 3:28 PM BST All right. Still a mug response couldn't agree more, bet you wish you could take it back....never mind live and learn.
Classic!!!!! JC1326 beat down on his own Fred 
Cool hand luke swatting jc1326 like a little fly in the sky with his response
Toooooooo funnnnnnnyyyyy
People are negative because they know what England are sh1te and are abject failures
normally england have delusions of grandeur going into major tournaments and the manager gets fired when they fail miserably. That changed completely at the last world cup and was replaced with a defeatist attitude from fans and the press and the lauding of the manager after one of the worst performances at a major tournament.
At the very least a manager should be able to instil some semblance of self-belief and fight in a bunch of players, make the team greater than the sum of its parts. That's what smaller nations do. How he has held onto the job I'll never know. He is still held up as the wiley old sage of football knowledge/management. Stealing a living for donkey's years.
At the very least a manager should be able to instil some semblance of self-belief and fight in a bunch of players, make the team greater than the sum of its parts. That's what smaller nations do. How he has held onto the job I'll never know. He is still held up as the wiley old sage of football knowledge/management. Stealing a living for donkey's years.
Jun 2, 2016 -- 10:09PM, DAFFODIL1 wrote:
People are negative because they know what England are sh1te and are abject failures
Agreed daff,
I'd rather get my chops slapped with a brace of smoked kippers than watch England play
I rather like kippers and if a young lady dressed in a basque wants to slap me around the face with some,then I don't mind,even bung her a few quid.
Jun 2, 2016 -- 10:16PM, DAFFODIL1 wrote:
I rather like kippers and if a young lady dressed in a basque wants to slap me around the face with some,then I don't mind,even bung her a few quid.
Can't beat a smoked kipper daff 
I think people on here are overthinking it. Just remember you're English, support the team, and save the seething until we lose. And for f*cks sake, lighten up!
A law should be passed that before every major tournament england fans should watch the "MIKE BASSETT - ENGLAND MANAGER" DVD
I think England will win the tourney, with all the super young players who play in the best and toughest league in the world at their disposal, what can go wrong. it's definitely a big yes from me, and now I'm off for a vindaloo. cheers.
I think people on here are overthinking it. Just remember you're English, support the team, and save the seething until we lose. And for f*cks sake, lighten up!
JC, I've been doing that every tournament since 1970 (too young to remember 1966) but it always ends up the same. I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day!
I remember getting excited hearing the words to one of the squad songs (I think it was 1982) "this time, more than any other time....we'll get it RIGHT". The problem is we keep getting it wrong.
JC, I've been doing that every tournament since 1970 (too young to remember 1966) but it always ends up the same. I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day!
I remember getting excited hearing the words to one of the squad songs (I think it was 1982) "this time, more than any other time....we'll get it RIGHT". The problem is we keep getting it wrong.
Ive enjoyed watching Vardy all season playing up front last night Woy playes him right back !
Woy did a brilliant defensive job negating the twin threat of Kane and Vardy. Unfortunately for the useless pwick they're on our side.
DFC Totally agree we have the men in form attacking wise if he plays em . but we no where nr good enough . in defence . if smalling and cahill are the best we got . we ****
Football is an offensive game , it was originally a substitute for war , english people now regularly have to apologise for saying something that might have offended someone , the national mind set aint there anymore
I tend to tell the truth JC1326 and not live in a dream world, but at least people aren't expecting us to win it, which is good, as it is very very unlikely and crackerpants sums the defence up nicely.
Jun 3, 2016 -- 1:25AM, ian merseyside wrote:
I think people on here are overthinking it. Just remember you're English, support the team, and save the seething until we lose. And for f*cks sake, lighten up!JC, I've been doing that every tournament since 1970 (too young to remember 1966) but it always ends up the same. I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day! I remember getting excited hearing the words to one of the squad songs (I think it was 1982) "this time, more than any other time....we'll get it RIGHT". The problem is we keep getting it wrong.
We would have gone very close in Mexico in 70, but for a Brazil side that was absolutly brilliant and Gordon Banks couldn't play against West Germany in the quarter-finals. We weren't expected to win in 1966, but we did, anything can happen and thats the big hope we have.
Irishone u are so right english free speech has gone everyone is frightened of upsetting everyone i find it laughable in parliament select committees the chairman is now a piece of furniture(chair) I have very little interest in modern football but i expect will support england in the euros. Finally england fans lose their passion cos of the amount of welsh, scots etc always underminding the country yet earning their living here alan brazil a good example and i cant have ex players who retired as england players shearer, scoles etc then offering their views
^ They don't have to undermine the country. It is done for them by the England team of £300k a week losers.
No outstanding team here, apart from Germany, France and Spain maybe, so just give it a good go and try and play without fear factor. Not like we,re expected to win it anyway. Think he,s going to play slightly negatively because of our defence being on the weak side. Expecting 2 defensive midfield players starting games and try pick them off with vardys pace and Kane's brilliance.
Creaky defence.
Deep midfield.
No attacking flair.
Sounds like the perfect combo.
Yep next
Deep midfield.
No attacking flair.
Sounds like the perfect combo.
Yep next
marychain1 02 Jun 16 19:43
I'm negative largely because I don't think our players are as good as other teams' players
marychain1 02 Jun 16 20:21
I don't see anything in this England team that is any different from any England side going into a major tournament in living memory. Our players are still technically inferior, with less intelligence. Same shape, same weaknesses. Only thing that has changed is some of the names. I've said it before and I'll say it again. How far we go depends purely on how long we can go on getting drawn against weak sides.
I'm negative largely because I don't think our players are as good as other teams' players
marychain1 02 Jun 16 20:21
I don't see anything in this England team that is any different from any England side going into a major tournament in living memory. Our players are still technically inferior, with less intelligence. Same shape, same weaknesses. Only thing that has changed is some of the names. I've said it before and I'll say it again. How far we go depends purely on how long we can go on getting drawn against weak sides.
English footballers are physically weak and mentally weak
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