Leicester's suspiciously fast players..

of course, but people prefer to believe in "the fairytale"

Wes Morgan faster than Raheem Sterling

Mapei Olgiate center, the Italian secret of Leicester Ranieri

http://www.calcioefinanza.it/2016/02/25/centro-mapei-leicester-juventus-olgiate/

Mapei Center were part of the doping scandal in cycling.

there are no fairytales in sport.

there is just doping, and more doping

Blimey the sound of barrels being scraped is becoming deafening...

there are no fairytales in sport.
there is just doping, and more doping

Not to mention all us dopes that pay for it.

only one footballer currently banned by UKAD (for cocaine), that does seem a bit low imho

shows how poor loosers Arsenal are they better get used to it as Wenger will eventually destroy Arsenal and it was so easy to read it

Leicester's suspiciously fast players..
Hamsterdam
Hamsterdam 03 Apr 16 22:29 Joined: 03 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 10,591 | Blogger: Hamsterdam's blog
Damning stuff this..

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9992435/who-is-the-fastest-player-premier-league-tracking-data-tells-us

Vardy 1st
Schlupp 2nd
Alrbighton 3rd
Wes Moragn 8th

They've been at it, no question.

Wes Moragn 8th!!!!!!!!!!!!! roflmao

Spurs lawyers are taking note.

drugs don't make players learn how to defend and finish.

What are their topping their pizzas with?

If the tracking data says that Vardy is the fastest player then this is evidence not of drugs but that the tracking data is wrong.
Vardy is not the fastest player.

they were just as fast last season when bottom of the league

must have bean running in wrong direction / headless chickens

Let's see YOUR tracking data, lfc.

They must be some very very powerful drugs to improve the players that much over 1 summer. Of course it could just be that the generally incredibly poor levels of fitness (for professional sportsman) has been improved with moderate fitness techniques - i.e more than 2 hours a day!

Lance Armstrong was very average before...you know the rest.

Armstrong was world champion before it's generally accepted that he began doping. He might be a scvmbag, but he was never 'very average.'

Armstrong had been the subject of doping allegations ever since winning the 1999 Tour de France. In 2012, a United States Anti-Doping Agency investigation concluded that Armstrong had used performance-enhancing drugs over the course of his career[4] and named him as the ringleader of "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."[5]

Doped from the start of his career.

USADA did come to that conclusion, though how they did isn't exactly clear.

In the 1987–1988 Tri-Fed/Texas ("Tri-Fed" was the former name of USA Triathlon), Armstrong was ranked the number-one triathlete in the 19-and-under group; second place was Chann McRae, who became a US Postal Service cycling teammate and the 2002 USPRO national champion. Armstrong's total points in 1987 as an amateur were better than those of five professionals ranked higher than he was that year. At 16, Lance Armstrong became a professional triathlete and became national sprint-course triathlon champion in 1989 and 1990 at 18 and 19, respectively.

He was one of the best cyclists/triathletes in the US at 18. There's no way I can know what he was or wasn't taking, but it must have been some good sh!t to propel a 'very average' 18yo to national titles.

its sad if hes doping at 18

but maybe he was, i knew a lad at school age 15 that took stuff for his running 

USADA did come to that conclusion, though how they did isn't exactly clear.
Why don't you write to them,I'm sure they will fill you in on the details.
I would take the word of USADA before Armstrong anytime.

It's largely irrelevant anyway, to me at least. We all knew that virtually the entire peloton was juicing, whatever Armstrong and his cohorts were using obviously produced better results.

I've little doubt that footballers are doing similar. Not fair to single Leicester out, even if accept they are at it.

I must admit when I saw leicester earlier in the season (playing chelsea at home) I was amazed how much running they did, and yet they never seemed to get tired

it's the amount of closing down they do, without feeling any effects for it later in the game. other teams play pressing games yet get noticeably more tired as the game goes on, understandably so, but this doesn't seem to happen to leicester. it could just be that they're very fit of course.

someone said earlier that drugs don't make you defend well, I beg to differ, if it means you are that bit quicker to close down an attacking player it makes a huge difference

obviously we'd love to believe all these teams are clean but you never know with sports these days

surely leicester players have been tested all season, just like the other teams.

villa the only team not doping imho

Once the bookies start to welch on those big payouts....It could all start to unravel.

Once the bookies start to welch on those big payouts....It could all start to unravel.

Definition of defeat from the jaws of victory..........a Leicester fan with £10 at 5000/1 with 138.com/12Bet/Fun88

Tinker Man becomes the Medicine Man

fat fkr agbonlahor been sucking up lines of lemon sherbet for years

This is from 17th SEPTEMBER 2015 and so only has about 5 games data

It is based on the fastest burst of speed shown and players (like Vardy) appear more than once
for balance Diouf was 4th and 10th, Carl Jenkinson was 6th and 7th and Alan Hutton was 12th

OP is an idiot

i will expect to see Usain Bolt signing up for Manchester City in the summer 

The amount of money circulating in soccer makes it a "given" that there arte drugs involved,to think otherwise is being naïve totally naïve.

Agree with Sugarfoot. Cheap shots with no evidence at a Leicester team which have performed incredibly well.

enhanced or o/wise

It's amazing these stories coming out, just as a team outside the usual four look likely to win the title.

What about the ref tracking data when utd were winning all those titles. The top ten fastest players to the ref all played for the same team in red.

BARNEY21 Hits the nail on the head

And lets not forget that Utd were always still running strong well into Fergie Time.

BARNEY21 puts it in a nutshell both from a team and an individual aspect.

There were 2286 samples taken in 2014/15 with 9 violations (Source: FA.com) - Rio got an 8 month suspension for missing a test so the rules in the UK are pretty strict. Although Barney has a good point about naivety it doesn't appear to be a major or widespread problem... yet!

Don't think the premier league would care to actively look for drug cheats,too many nests to be feathered.

That's a fair point leazes; it has the potential to do more harm than good, but when they did they hit on the biggest club and gave them a slap... albeit for refusal only.

Drugs are prevalent in sport and it would be irresponsible to say they are not being used in football; to what extent is immeasurable but I reckon it is widespread & more commonplace than we could imagine. Testing procedures undertaken by the authorities are usually pre planned so individuals and others can negate positive tests if they are aware of them. The reality is the authorities are always operating on a catch up exercise so those taking drugs have probably already created avoidance measures which can virtually eliminate the possibility of being caught or offering a "positive" sample.

Sad as it is they will never be eliminated whilst sportsmen are prepared to take things which give an advantage and who are prepared to risk their long term health to gain an advantage

Just an example but think for one minute and ask yourself this :  Would Diego Maradona cheat to gain an advantage ? Given what we know about him I would suggest he would. Look at the riches available to those and their  families who may seek to gainan an extra 10% .South American footballer at the top of the list for me.

S

This is from 17th SEPTEMBER 2015 and so only has about 5 games data

It is based on the fastest burst of speed shown and players (like Vardy) appear more than once
for balance Diouf was 4th and 10th, Carl Jenkinson was 6th and 7th and Alan Hutton was 12th

You seem to be obviously to the effects of EPH and HGH as well as numerous other PED's?

Do you not believe there are drugs in football?

Leicester City are operating a systematic in-house doping programme.

*oblivious

Sport is more of an entertainment business than anything these days. That's why most cheats don't get caught, because it would rock the boat.

If all our heroes were shown to be cheats, people would drift away from these sports and they'd lose millions of pounds in revenues. So better to let the status quo continue...

^ can't see what a 70s rock band have got to do with it   

You seem to be obviously to the effects of EPH and HGH as well as numerous other PED's?

Do you not believe there are drugs in football?

Please do not infer anything from my post other than the fact I was pointing out that your "evidence" was utterly meaningless

Leicester City are operating a systematic in-house doping programme.

I think you should grow up a bit and retract this libellous remark before it gets you into trouble

doubt it.
looking at them they are drilled at pressing and have  amix of both good pressers and intelligence.
the back line may be average individual wise but they are organised.

they dont press constantly but in organised bursts.

having intelligence and good pressing helps that enormously.
gaps are harder to find and pressure is good on the ball.

also they do sub their fast attackers regularly.
they dont have european commitments which will aid recovery.

You only have to look at the physiques of many footballers these days compared to just a few years back, if you think that is down solely to improvements in diet and training then you are being naive. As has been mentioned before, the huge amounts of money involved now in all sports will mean that anything that gains an advantage will be considered. In athletics take Dwayne Chambers as an example, he had the chance to become a millionaire by doping, when the alternative was to be an also ran or getting a job in Carphone Warehouse.

you could be right overall.
one player moved from the bundesliga to the pl in the last year and was skinny before he joined the bundesliga team.
bulked up quite a bit.

could have been the year he had there plus he may have naturally bulked up due to maturing.

but even i was a bit shocked how he had done so.

They also have the fastest moving fans in the Premiership. Many clocked at record speeds on Sunday when the free beer and doughnuts were being handed out.

thing is with leicester is you might have expected them to pick up some injuries

I know they haven't had european football but even still

also vardy improving so much in his late twenties is a bit of a red flag

Leicester do not have any fast players. Not one.

i'd be surprised if any PL champs don't have dopers in their team. Perhaps Leicester decided that relegation last year was worth taking the risk of putting players on a program and kept it going from there. What does relegation cost nowadays? What would happen if caught? Demotion? Well worth the risk, which can't really be quantified. There's every chance it wouldn't even be made public.

That is motive not proof or even evidence but the notion that top level football is clean is laughable. Rio Ferdinand's 'excuse' was laughable as well.

also vardy improving so much in his late twenties is a bit of a red flag

Which drugs (you can give the generic name if you wish) helps him score the backheels and flicks that he's scored with this season - Messi's blood distilled? If so then why isn't everyone taking it?

trt

some rubbish spoken on here.........

spyker 05 Apr 16 12:46 Joined: 09 Oct 07 | Topic/replies: 5,412 | Blogger: spyker's blog
also vardy improving so much in his late twenties is a bit of a red flag

Which drugs (you can give the generic name if you wish) helps him score the backheels and flicks that he's scored with this season - Messi's blood distilled? If so then why isn't everyone taking it?

I don't know but surely it must be suspicious that a white guy in his late twenties is the fastest player in the league

He`s not, not even in the top 20% of fastest players. Not particularly quick.

I don't know but surely it must be suspicious that a white guy in his late twenties is the fastest player in the league LaughLaughLaugh

Is he - where do you get that from?

His game is built on movement and intelligence and skill, that is a different thing

He is quite fast, a little above average, no more that, that but that is often enough.

And btw when did being faster drastically improve a football team (for anything more than a few games) anyway - great they can run but can they kick it?

yes they can?

Apr 4, 2016 -- 6:07PM, hong kong fooey wrote:

BARNEY21 Hits the nail on the head

Barney is just on his daily seeth. If it wasn't doping, it'd be the poor standard of the PL, or another bet going t*ts up

it's as if he takes a supplement to help his seething

Run in bursts like Vardy and co you'd get knackered very quickly during a match....EPO says hello? This prevents the tiredness setting in.

Their miraculous injury recoveries are testosterone at play.

This lot a throwing up more red flags than blue.

It reminds me of a very famous manager who remarked about his very famous player who played top level until ripe old age.
"He looks after himself very well"
I took that to mean "we don't look after him, the player does the looking after"

Run in bursts like Vardy and co you'd get knackered very quickly during a match....EPO says hello? This prevents the tiredness setting in.

Their miraculous injury recoveries are testosterone at play.

This lot a throwing up more red flags than blue.


It'll be throwing up red flags if you're not really noticing what they're actually doing.

After 25 games they only had one player in the top 20 when it came to total distance covered all season.

They didn't have anyone in the top 10 for average distance covered per game.

Those couple of stats should give you a clue as to what they're doing.

But they had 4 out of 5 in the top speed reached? How can that not ring alarms bells.

Do you believe EPL players do not use PED's?

Those top speed stats seem highly flawed to me. Willian doesn't feature for a start. Besides which, in the post of yours I highlighted, you've made a point of their players not getting tired which has nothing at all to do with how fast they run.

Players in the PL may well do. There are certain teams in the PL and indeed in Europe I've had suspicions about but Leicester aren't particularly amongst them.

Basically their success this season has been mainly down to having quite a simple game plan which plays to the strengths of their squad, excellent organisation and pretty much their entire team having career best seasons at the same time. The latter being a complete contrast to Chelsea whose entire team pretty much had a career worst season at the same time, certainly for the first half or so of the season.

La Liga is rife with it imho.

wasn't that barca team from a few years back doped up to the eyeballs, playing this incredibly intense pressing game?

also people fawn over guardiola but didn't he serve some drugs ban, albeit subsquently overturned?

nature of sport these days.

If leicester are cheating then the advantage this extra speed can give you is in the pressing game- they're that bit faster to the ball which helps massively in defence, makes them extremely hard to break down without having to defend that well

You can run as fast as you like but if you're asked to do it over large distances a number of times you're going to slow down. Usain Bolt is the fastest man on the planet but if you ask him to run 100 metres 10 times in an hour he's slowing down by number 9 and 10.

What Leicester do very well is to keep compact and reduce the spaces between their players. There aren't vast distances to close down. The way they attack also helps because they often go very direct to Vardy which means they're not constantly asking players to sprint up and down the pitch to add numbers to attacks. They also invariably keep numbers behind the ball so they don't often get caught short at the back. You don't see their full backs constantly steaming forward and having to get back.

One of the most important roles in the side is the 2nd striker who is often asked to drop into midfield when defending and to provide the support to Vardy when they do go direct. Of the players who mostly perform that role, Okazaki has started 23 games and been substituted in 20 of them whilst Ulloa has started 5 and been taken off in 4 of them. Players do feel it in certain roles.

What they do is fairly simple and takes a lot from Sacchi's Milan side in terms of the way they set up defensively. With the players they have it's proven to be hugely effective though especially as those players have been playing with a brimful of confidence for most of the season.

These speed figures came out fairly early in the season and no one was suggesting anything wrong then.  Just because they are top of the league other fans start pointing the finger.

If anyone bothered to watch their matches properly, they would note that for the last 10-15 minutes many in the team struggle to keep the tempo up, For example, on Sunday both Vardy and Albrighton didn't chase down balls late on that they would have done in the first half because they were shattered and this is similar on most weeks. As the game goes on they get more selective on the runs that they make. 

Kante on the other hand is an absolute machine and never stops.

Viva La Leicester

Marcce loads of teams play like that. Vardy looks to 'snappy' to me his bursts of acceleration are very quick for somebody who has never been that quick. That goes for the rest of them too actually.

They aren't running around the most like you say 4-4-1-1 but the acceleration bursts are the PED's at work.

You are again ignoring the fact 4 out of 5 of their players recorded the fastest speed IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE which again brings the word systematic into play.

Hamsterdam you are basing everything on those speed figures which as has been pointed out came early in the season.

Leicester would have had a fuller pre season than most other sides because at the time they were less affected by international call ups last summer. I also suspect Ranieri would have been looking to have them starting fast this season, seeing a good start as important and would have had them pretty sharp from the outset.

You are also completely overplaying the importance of speed. Take Maria Sharapova and the host of other sports people who have tested positive for meldonium recently. They weren't taking it to increase speed, they were taking it to increase endurance.

If you're talking suspicious Leicester wouldn't even be the most suspicious of the current top 3 in my book.

Vardy's quick but he also reads the game well, he usually knows where the balls going, and his team mates know the ball to play to utilise his speed. He even points where he wants the ball, no wonder he gets there first.

October...

http://soccerlens.com/10-fastest-players-in-the-premier-league/180309/

5/10 players

Half their team in the top 10......that's one hell of a fitness programme they've got there.

I don't know anyone can say that does not look suspect.

And yes Marcce it's not about endurance...it would be too obvious if teams were clocking up 120km+ per match it's about strength and recovery.

Unfortunately, this too is obvious.

And by this stage of the season (November I think) things had already changed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11986884/Fastest-players-in-the-Premier-League-201516.html

By January Martial and Paul Dummett had clocked rapid speeds putting them in the top 10.

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-premier-league/story/2790710/anthony-martial-jamie-vardy-prems-fastest-players-stud

As I said you are putting far too much emphasis on early season figures and as the article you posted points out certain situations lend themselves to faster speed figures on those calculations.

so leicester have most of the top tens and that's not a red flag to people

not it's because their pre-season started earlier, pmsl as if that makes any difference

come on guys, you don't go from relegation candidates to winning the league in one season unless something dodgy is going on

people are so naive

If you're looking for an example of a team on EPO then look at the Juve side that beat the young Ajax side in the CL final in 1996. There was a doc on dutch tv about it and some Ajax players said that they constantly had 2 men on top of them for 120 mins. The likes of Torricelli playing as a full back and a winger covering huge ground without tiring and a 31 yo Vialli outrunning teenagers for 2 hours. Juve were caught with over 300 pharmaceutical products in or around that time and I've no doubt they were doped to the gills in that match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8Ro3eJsjY also Cannavaro getting an oil change the night before a UEFA cup final. 'Sangre, sangre'

Leicester are nowhere near as suspicious as that Juve side, if they are covering ground it's because they don't have possession of the ball as much as most top sides. I wouldn't have leicester players on anything that players at other bigger clubs aren't on.

true that the league is an awful standard this year, and in any case they might not win it.

I just recall watching them a couple of games ago and couldn't believe how bad technically they are for a team that's leading the premier league. they'll struggle in europe big time I reckon and even in the league they are far from past the post.

Lewisham is SEETHING

https://twitter.com/ynfa_thehub/status/716624557860323329     

Drugs were rife in the 60s, 70s and 80s but when Harold Schumacher exposed it at the top level in his book, no-one at UEFA or Bundesliga wanted to know and he was ostracised by the German FA

hardly seething. I don't have any bets on the prem this year and I'm not a supporter of any of the teams, just think there's a lot going on we're not being told about.

http://talksport.com/football/really-top-10-fastest-players-premier-league-revealed-141028121279?p=8

They had 1 on October 2014, a year before the original top 10 list here was put up.

If you know you have a big speed advantage over other teams how would you play?
Would you let them press, leaving open ground behind them, punt the ball upfield, and sprint after it.?
Sounds familiar?

shhhhhhh, remember, it's a fairytale