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When you look at the "revolving door syndrome" that has been in play over recent years do forumites think as I do that we attach a wee bit too much to the "coaching" mantra,inmo after a certain age circa 10yrs old you can,t really coach players as they have already mastered all the bad points of the game e.g lack of movement/control/ability to pass,it follows that at 23ish you have no chance,maybe slight improvements but "old habits die hard".Look at the coaches that have recently gone Jose/Ancellot/in trouble Lois/Jurgen//Gary Monk touted as a great prospective young coach,have they all of a sudden lost that magic touch? I doubt it,but players/circumstances change and quicker than you would expect,are they able to adjust? it would seem not.I think it is of prime importance that you sign/groom the right type of player ad do so as early in their career as pos,it is no wonder that Barcelona remain at the top,they have players from such an early age that are all versed in how they expect the game to be played,instead of the scattergun approach in most other places,how can you possibly build anything sustainable if you chop and change all the time,the glut of money is at the heart of it all.Arsene Wenger would be the closest to the ideal coach inmo.Forum input on the back of a first class Christmas stamp would be appreciated.
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coaching can only work around the players you have
for instance its pointless implementing a pressing system if players dont have energy and pace to apply it
top coach will recognise what he has and try to play to strengths, ....gets found out....moves on
for instance its pointless implementing a pressing system if players dont have energy and pace to apply it
top coach will recognise what he has and try to play to strengths, ....gets found out....moves on
True Donny Osmond,that is exactly the point I am trying to make,at the end of the day no matter the system it all boils down to the players,if they are strong physically/mentally you have a chance,if not forget it,"square pegs round holes".
some top managers have managed to build a team and maintain high spot by offering medals and
being able to outbid other clubs to get players to alter systems, or fill holes, or replace retiring
players
shankly, revie, fergie spring to mind, but there are more
being able to outbid other clubs to get players to alter systems, or fill holes, or replace retiring
players
shankly, revie, fergie spring to mind, but there are more
Barcelona maintain at the top because they have money. Nothing like buying up the best young talents from all over at virtually no risk.
As far as coaching as donny says its about getting the best out of what they have. And trying to build a team unity. There are plenty of areas within coaching but at the end of the day the public incredibly overrates its impact, especially as very meaningless small sample sizes come under scrutiny. How many points can a good manager be worth to his team over a season than an average or even a bad one? I'd guess a lot less then people believe.
Coaches reputations are usually more a product of timing than legitimate coaching ability. Getting a team when the right players are set and supporters/public expectations are moderate works best. Of course jump into a situation with the reverse and you'll be destined to look like an idiot.
As far as coaching as donny says its about getting the best out of what they have. And trying to build a team unity. There are plenty of areas within coaching but at the end of the day the public incredibly overrates its impact, especially as very meaningless small sample sizes come under scrutiny. How many points can a good manager be worth to his team over a season than an average or even a bad one? I'd guess a lot less then people believe.
Coaches reputations are usually more a product of timing than legitimate coaching ability. Getting a team when the right players are set and supporters/public expectations are moderate works best. Of course jump into a situation with the reverse and you'll be destined to look like an idiot.
Horangi don,t you think that what works for some top coaches for a period doesn,t neccesarily translate when they change clubs or as in Jose,s case go back,I just feel that being able to identify the type of player required is of as much importance than the actual coaching,Shanks said he studied a player more off the field before signing him,he was looking for players of as he says character,without which you will not achieve anything.As for Barca yes they have the cash and the lure,but their ethos remains the same,control/pass/move at pace,Arsenal to Wengers credit inmo the closest in playing style to Barca,when he took over at Bayern overseeing the training he introduced some new methods whereby the established players were finding it difficult to adjust and these were no run of the mill players,he told them to forget about his Barca connection and don,t try to emulate them as they played that way from about 4/5 yrs of age.
Agree each club is a totally new situation with its different challenges. Especially if you are a coach who has a set style of play which is not in line with the club's traditions. Mourinho was eventually deemed a failure at Real Madrid not only for not overcoming Barcelona but due to his lackluster style the supporters did not care for.
Nowadays recruitment not normally in the realm of the head coach so again another huge aspect the coach doesn't even play a big role in. Worst yet seems like quite a few clubs don't even have a situation where the head coach and the director of football have a strong relationship.
A lot of teams in Europe nowadays even safeguard themselves against inevitable coaching changes by keeping every other coach in their setup almost permanent and just the head coach and maybe one assistant "temporary" hires.
Nowadays recruitment not normally in the realm of the head coach so again another huge aspect the coach doesn't even play a big role in. Worst yet seems like quite a few clubs don't even have a situation where the head coach and the director of football have a strong relationship.
A lot of teams in Europe nowadays even safeguard themselves against inevitable coaching changes by keeping every other coach in their setup almost permanent and just the head coach and maybe one assistant "temporary" hires.
Money changes things too much money changes everything,the top ones have so many other money making outlets,relegating their football world to if not secondary certainly not the one and only outlet of concentration.I don,t know how things are going to transpire but football as we know/knew it will bear the brunt.
Recruitment and luck play a huge part.
Recruitment in itself can be lucky or not so. But it also takes skill, not just a case of watching DVDs of players from who knows where.
Clubs would do well to give as much time to their scouting as to their manager appointment.
Luck on and off the field is key too. Injuries to certain players can make you several points worse off. Jammy goals scored or conceded change momentum in a season.
Recruitment in itself can be lucky or not so. But it also takes skill, not just a case of watching DVDs of players from who knows where.
Clubs would do well to give as much time to their scouting as to their manager appointment.
Luck on and off the field is key too. Injuries to certain players can make you several points worse off. Jammy goals scored or conceded change momentum in a season.
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