Liverppol 66/1 to win Prem and Klopp lands tomorrow

Your logic is meaningless though. Saying 6 points over and over. Palace and Leicester are 3 points, do they have a chance? No.

Liverpool don't have the quality in their side to make a serious title challenge. And I don't really see anyone who can make a serious challenge to Man City. The only real challenge to them is they're getting a lot of injuries.

You can't compare Leicester and Palace to Liverpool's squad and manager.

Greece never had the quality to win Euro 2004, they did.
Denmark the same in 1992.
Dortmund 11/12 were inferior to Munich, won two titles back to back.
Atletico Madrid never had the same quality as Barca/Madrid, they won the league in 14.

Man City just got battered at Tottenham and lost to West Ham, even with Kompany missing nobody saw them results coming.

Liverpool have a chance with Klopp, even with an inferior squad, a good workmanlike squad can be successful.

You can't compare winning the Euro's to winning a league either. And this Liverpool side is really poor quality wise, doesn't matter how good the manager is.

Man City got battered with their entire defence and Silva missing. Even so they're far too strong for anyone domestically. The only side that doesn't have any real weaknesses domestically. No team in the Premier League is good enough to expose their weaknesses.

Their entire defence wasn't missing, their two full backs had played every game this season and are just as good as the other two options who are injured. And even with Siva missing, man for man they were superior, bar the keeper. If you don't want to take the example of Greece/Denmark, then Atletico who are far inferior to Madrid/Barca still won the league after 38 games and Dortmund the same in 11/12, point being is, he has a track record that can't be ignored. Your high opinion of City is laughable, Toure is half the player he was, Sterling is looking average surrounded by better attacking players, and whoever is paired with Kompany be it Demechellis, Otamendi or Mangala are very average defenders. I don't think Liverpool will win, but only a stupid gambler would write them off.

Sagna and arguably Kolarov are not first choice though.

The problem with your examples is the club examples are all managers who had time to assemble the team to do that and get the players to fit what they wanted to do. Something Klopp at Liverpool doesn't have. He has a poor side, poorer than your examples, who don't even really fit the style he played at Dortmund.

My opinion of City is not that high, my opinion of the other teams is that low.

Zabaleta is not better than Sagna, and Clichy is not better than Kolorov, last season they played a similar amount of games so it's a non point really, they were hardly weak links, those two full backs up until those games had the best defensive record in the league. You said Liverpool don't have the quality in their side to mount a serious title challenge, quality-wise they're probably the fifth best squad, but even the fifth best side if well organised under Klopp can make a challenge which defensively under Rogers, they were not. Pelligrini is a very average manager who had only won the title because Liverpool threw it away.

Mesmerised you are making out that the Premier League title race is competitive.  It's not , the fifth best side not matter how well organised have no hope of winning the league.  Liverpool to finish top 4 would be a result , no chance in hell the win the title no matter how anybody dresses it up.

"Their entire defence wasn't missing"

Which is our first choice defence please? (include the keeper if you like)

"are just as good as the other two options who are injured"

Sagna is nowhere near as good as Zabaleta, and Kolarov isn't as good at defending as Clichy (but does offer more up front)

"those two full backs up until those games had the best defensive record in the league"

with a different keeper and two difference centre-backs

"Toure is half the player he was, Sterling is looking average surrounded by better attacking players, and whoever is paired with Kompany be it Demechellis, Otamendi or Mangala are very average defenders"

Well Toure is 32, still a beast on his day and there is noone else in the Premier League anywhere near him in that role. Sterling has played 8 league matches  for City and they are top of the league, I know you don't get long to settle in nowadays but come on! At least it's 8 games more than Wilshere has contributed I suppose

"Demechelis, Otamendi or Mangala are very average defenders"

Hang on, a sentence earlier you were saying Sagna and Kolarov were part of a back four with the best defensive record in the league and now (Kompany excluded) the other 3 centre-backs are average

The point about the defence is the two full backs weren't weak links, last season they were rotated so they can't be seen as having a full defence misisng, so citing them as part of a reason why they were battered is pointless. Sagna is a superb Right back and is as good as Zabaleta, and Clichy defensively is even at Arsenal was a very poor man's Ashley Cole. Those other three Centre backs are bang average but one of them got away with it with playing with the first choice back 3 plus hart.

You have to accept Toure is gone at the game, bursting forward now and again when he's contract needs negotiating doesn't make him a beast...

in 2014/15 season Sagna played 741 minutes in the league, Zabaleta played 2585 so hardly rotation, Clichy played 1662 Kolarov 1489 which is more like a rotation, but more often than not it's Zabaleta, Kompany, Mangala, Clichy

And this season he helped to keep a clean sheet in every game till Kompany was injured, those clowns in the middle are not worthy of mid table teams, but regardless of time played, and this is getting pedantic a point now, he shouldn't be cited as being apart of an inferior second choice defence when he kept cleans sheets in every game till the clown were stuck in the middle.

I agree with that point, the problem was with the centre-backs. Kompany and Mangala had been ticking along nicely for sometime, going back to the end of last season. In the Spurs match Demichelis and Otamendi started, who had never played in a pairing before. To try and protect them Pellegrini put Fernandinho and Fernando in front of them, which I could see the reasoning behind as Toure isn't the best back tracker even on a good day! That didn't work and to make matters worse he put Toure in behind Aguero as replacement for Silva. So in one match the team went from an attacking dream to an un-coordinated mess at the back. Had few options at the back but should probably have left Toure and Fernandinho in place and stuck De Bruyne in behind Aguero and Navas on the right and gone for the "if you score 4 we'll score 5" approach!

the point i wsa trying to make was that 66/1 is too big and will in all likekyhood be tradeable

It's already tradeable, because it's like half of that on Betfair, and I doubt the price will get much better than the current one as Liverpool's upcoming fixtures suggest the won't get much closer to 1st than the current gap.

The Japanese rugby team have more chance of winning the Premier league than Liverpool...


Best chance for Klopp would be 4th, only to be subsequently knocked out the Champions League qualifying rounds. 

After all that he will call it a day. Saying he has taken them as far as he can, before the bigger clubs come sniffing around asking for his services.

Doesn't matter who is in charge, the team is very low on quality and that's being kind...NO CHANCE of finishing in the top four whatsoever..FACT.

The Japanese rugby team have more chance of winning the Premier league than Liverpool...


Best chance for Klopp would be 4th, only to be subsequently knocked out the Champions League qualifying rounds. 

Wishful thinking Bozo - the next few years are going to be hard for you.

mmmmmm still think and will be proved right thatt 66 is too big

pre season strategy was to not back us for top 4 till rodgers went...expecting a new manager in december and then back us.
bonus we got shot of rodgers earlier.......

yes GI if he does well in early games will be quids in

Klopp's last season at Dortmund....a mighty 7th

40/1 on bf

They are 70s on Betfair? They were 34s after Klopp's appointment, so in theory if you took the 66/1 you could have traded off immediately. Because it's pretty difficult to see them going much shorter than that all season.

nice result today  66/1 long gone

34/1 on here now and will shorten

going well in russia tonight , team looking so much better already

were gonna win the league

I can never understand why people say you should or shouldn't back a team for a title because 'they have tough/easy fixtures coming up'

If they do better than expected in those fixtures (which you'd fancy if you felt they could win the title) then they'll shorten even more.

If you think a team is a good value to back or lay in an outright market then just do it , all this 'wait until they played X,Y,Z ' is just an argument against betting outright at all.

n88uk 18 Oct 15 13:36 Joined: 26 May 12 | Topic/replies: 83,754 | Blogger: n88uk's blog
They are 70s on Betfair? They were 34s after Klopp's appointment, so in theory if you took the 66/1 you could have traded off immediately. Because it's pretty difficult to see them going much shorter than that all season.

83k posts in 3 years...thought you would have learned a bit in that time

best price is 25/1 , shortest price i 19/1

motd quoted chelsea now being 66/1 to win.

biggest price on chelsea is 56/1 which is short given they are 14pts off the pace!!!

Leicester are best priced at 150/1 having only lost twice all season

Id rather back Leicester at a 3figure price than City at 11/8

Horrible, horrible feeling United are going to win it

hope your wrong zazu

If the Premier League was any other league Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs would all be 3 digits, but Sky hype about how open the Premier League always is, keeps prices artificially low.

win today and now best price is 20/1

66/1 looking very good now

Tough game next week though, dragon.

6 points from the top, some very good and bad calls on this thread.

sturridge and henderson back tho u totally fuked now

yes newcastle away  sol should be looking for 3 points there

n88uk    22 Nov 15 16:01 
If the Premier League was any other league Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs would all be 3 digits, but Sky hype about how open the Premier League always is, keeps prices artificially low.

It's not just Sky hype. The Prem really is that sh!t.

klopp seems to have the feelgood factor returning, Liverpool have played the hard away fixtures already including, Utd, city, Arsenal spurs, Everton and Chelsea so if they can win the reverse home fixtures and do well against the lower teams - who knows?

8/1 lowest price now and best priced 12/1 away to Newcastle and Home to WBA next two games

a far cry from your 66/1 , already an easy trade but best to wait longer and see what happens imo. either way it has turned out to be a good price to take

yes i think they will shorten further so no trade as yet

n88uk
And as has already been said too, compare Liverpool's upcoming fixtures to Man City's. That 6 points will be double digits by the end of November.



Still 6 points

beat city 1=4, chelsea 1-3 and soton 1-6 in recent games if they get their act together at anfield they must have areal chance

never gave it a chance but they can do it. just ask eamonn dunphy! pity about the palace result other results have been impressive. sturridge and benteke back too

city should still win it in a canter if they get their act anything like together. after them you could say it's any of top 6 minus leicester

a massive drop from 20 odd to sub 10 on the back of beating swansea with an iffy penalty. yes i know the 6-1 against saints has took about 5 points off too but it's largely irrelevant. if anything being involved in the league cup and the europa league too is a big disadvantage. be playing every 3 days until mid march at least

league cup and europa after thursday all done till after xmas...........

Liverpool are in a better position than Arsenal right now
Liverpool in better form
Liverpool players coming back to fitness, Arsenal getting injuries and Sanchez with hamstring is finished for the winter imo
Liverpool to play top five at home; out of top ten only have to visit Leicester, Palace, West Ham and Southampton
Arsenal to play eight of top ten away (and Man City twice); have only been to Leicester and Palace, and will struggle at ManC, ManU, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and West Ham

ManU more likely to go on a run than ManC because their defence is better organised

interesting info sugarfoot , if they can get their act together at Anfield the 12/1 will look too big!!!!

10 is best price now

have just greened a little more at 8.0, still well over a grand if Liverpool are Champions - I know that wont happen - with a ton whoever else is

liverpool could win if for surenone of the other teams are pulling up trees so i think is could be on . i have not traded as yet as i think there is shorter prices to come

I know you are right Dragon, 7.2 - 7.4 now and set to fall further. I wanted to lock in a profit, but will wait until after Christmas to think about trading further.

city losing at stoke,if they can beat Newcastle tomorrow they will be within 3pts

we will get our act together at home.

havent found the right chemistry up top to beat parked buses .....coutinio and firminio up top is my call.

have a great spine in skrtel and lucas...and lucas right hand man hendo to come back fitter.

With the greatest of respect Sketrel & great    Sketrel is awful

awful?

a couple of seasons ago he was up there with kompany....now kompany is below him

still thinking Liverpool should be at 6,000-1 dlars?

Skirtel is pants. Spine my backside, Sakho is miles more accomplished.

Bit too soon for the reds to win it this year but have every chance next once Klopp has dealt in the transfer market and had time to coach pre season.

bestprice is 7 most bookies go 6/1

Definitely isnt too soon for the title charwell - look at the competition - nothing there to be scared of at the moment. All this

next season stuff - who knows what will happen next season ? Klopp might leave, United might get Guardiola, City could spend god knows what.

There's a chance here and now - the prem is weak this is a great chance.

Yep I agree its there right now and Liverpool are prob the most in form out of the top 5 regular sides , think they,l be either favs or a close 2nd fav to win title at Christmas/new yr

if they win tomorrow prob be into around 4/1 7/2

I'd still give you 66/1 .

Liverpool struggling big time against well organised teams at Anfield. That will be their undoing this season.

Put your money where your mouth is then bogley. How much will you lay me?

He wouldn't lay you in washers mate. All mouth and no trousers his sort.

They'll be 66's again tomorrow night, CCM, after being put to the sword at the cathedral on the hill.

Is Colocini playing sol? Got everything crossed he is.

The geordies only hope is to set up as though they were the away team and frustrate us.

Not sure Mclaren has that power of thought.

No fkn idea mate, but substitute your 'is' for 'isnt' and we agree.

Strong enough rumours that he's going 3-5-2, so he'll be playing.

Hopefully the wind will be a good leveller.  Fkn wild up here.

He has Charwell, I'm sure of that.

What he hasn't got is the players to execute it.  The biggest collective of spineless **** I've seen for some time.

Hope so Sol

Must say, the performances from your lot have been a disgrace for the fans. There are some players who should be paying the fans.

Not sure how one club can attract so many non triers. Just have an inkling you may roll your sleeves up tomorrow as the manager and players fighting for their survival now. As you say the wind could wreak havoc. We were abysmal v the Swans in the swirling wind and created diddly squat.

Did think that sol...it seemed to make it very hard for Man City today.

Hard not to fancy us though isn't it?

Great shout Dragon

Absolutely.  I watched your first half hour last week v Swansea and that level of pressing would blow these **** away.  Would be game over by 30 mins.  As I posted somewhere, with a bit of luck with injuries you're in with a big shout....

We have a good recent record against you at SJP.  Need the Serb to have a big game and the first goal.

The A66 won't be for the faint hearted, for anyone travelling.....

Can't make it up this year unfortunately.

I totally agree. On us at fancy prices, and whilst we still need a good slice of luck, I don't look at any team in the league and feel we can't compete with them. The table might look very nice by New Years Day.

Re non tries, Charwell.  They're either on too much money (Colo) or believe they are too good to be here (Moussa).  Watch how bad he is tomorrow - if selected.

A few good players mind (Janmaat, Gini, Mbemba, Ayoze) but they need better senior pro's around them.

You need to get that young lad back from Cov!

Catch 22 isn't it?
He's been the best in the country in his age group for years.
But, do you leave him there, let him be top scorer in the league and come back full of confidence?
Or fetch him back to play with this lot and potentially ruin him?
He can try and get us promoted next season.

We have a better one, apparently.  But only 15.

Yes spot on. Playing every week there must be perfect for him at this stage.

Looks as though they have a decent little side too.

Right, MOTD time.  May I wish you a very unpleasant Sunday afternoon.

poor show at newcastle so far , need to win this

ludicrously overhyped. rather puts things into perspective. have little chance even in such a desperately poor league as it is this year

the normal one looked very normal today

yes very poor performance will stick with the non trade . wba at home next wont be easy at all

Klopp has succeeded in getting them 3 points further away from the top

liverpool 12/1 best price now 9/1 in places

it's a question of how low that price will go. i agree with you not to trade now, there are more twists and turns to come yet, i am sure. i can see them coming close.

prices range from 18 - 33\1 now

66/1 on betfair right now

yes time to trade out looks well gone

69/1 + now.    If Brenda was still in charge they'd be shorter odds and higher up the table.

A good bet, just glad I greened as posted on here a month ago. Klopp will get it right in the long term, and as always the Reds will give him the time he needs................but I forsee a lot more heartache before Liverpool build on the mess that Rodgers left behind.

Jan 2, 2016 -- 9:57PM, pushkin99 wrote:

A good bet, just glad I greened as posted on here a month ago. Klopp will get it right in the long term, and as always the Reds will give him the time he needs................but I forsee a lot more heartache before Liverpool build on the mess that Rodgers left behind.

I'm a little bit less convinced that Klopp will eventually get it right.   Recent results and team selections as well as celebrating in front on the fans as if they'd just won the league after drawing with West Brom will do that.   They have looked absolutely clueless in some recent away games.

early days jury is out we shall see in the fullness of time no doubt.