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Bigger job in England?

n88uk? I think you are forgetting Liverpool are this countries most succesful ever club and own big ears. Only Man Utd can hold their head up in that respect.

But is not a more attractive job than any of those 4 I listed. You have more money and better players at your disposal at all those clubs.

cant see any manager getting liverpool into the top 4 this season.

charwell you are a fool...

they should get Allardyce,he'll
keep 'em up at least.

I am not actually sure Klopp will see it that way, and could see him taking the Liverpool job.

But if he goes to Liverpool then gets hounded out because he doesn't finish top 4 for a few seasons which will happen if they don't, then he will never get any of those jobs probably. His reputation isn't so cemented like Ancelotti's that his star wouldn't fade whatever happens.

I don't actually think it is as big a 2 way market as the market seems to think. The market basically says everyone else no chance right now. The market is making Klopp or Ancelotti around 1.08 right now. That is terrible imo.

could Klinsman have a squeak?

no

Plopped could easily see his reputation go the way of Villas Boas if he didn't do well with us.

Sad thing for me is I think I'd like Raga back out of anyone. If they'd done it early in the summer or waited tull be t summer we might have got him.

Surely those USA freaks that allegedly run the Club have someone to appoint post haste...

If they have not what are the transfer committee doing....

It is a sorry state of affairs if a so called club that is bigger than Bayern Munich sacks one sad sack and does not have a replacement in the wings...

It is even worse when some on this forum that claim to know what is going on at the Club cannot tell us who it will be..

FANTASY ISLAND...

don't say much for our game,when no
Brit's seem to be in with a chance.
Big English club in the EPL.

Oct 4, 2015 -- 8:54PM, ours4keeps wrote:

Plopped could easily see his reputation go the way of Villas Boas if he didn't do well with us.Sad thing for me is I think I'd like Raga back out of anyone. If they'd done it early in the summer or waited tull be t summer we might have got him.

Which is exactly why it's a huge risk from his point of view.

If he just sits it out, he almost certainly gets one of the Bayern, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City jobs. Many of these have more attainable expectations/less likely to be hounded out (Chelsea the obvious exception).

If he goes to Liverpool, doesn't get top 4 for a few seasons. He will just be linked with mid-table German and English clubs after that.

On the other hand, if he did succeed at Liverpool he'd have the whole world eating out of his hands

If he goes to Liverpool, doesn't get top 4 for a few seasons. He will just be linked with mid-table German and English clubs after that.

True , but that might not put Klopp off the job.

If he is the sort of character with total self belief then the consequences of failure just would not be a factor in his decision,

But it's hard to succeed at Liverpool. What is success at Liverpool. Rodgers was close to winning the title a few years ago, and now is close to being viewed as a laughing stock. So winning the league, hardly likely is it? Actual success in terms of the big trophies at Liverpool is very hard whoever is manager, thus it's hard to add to his CV there.

And I don't disagree with that Tobermory. From my impression of Klopp, it wouldn't surprise me if he does take the Liverpool job, but I'm not convinced it's in his best interests to do it.

tobermory 04 Oct 15 20:16 Joined: 01 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 37,742 | Blogger: tobermory's blog
Ancellotti s reputation is secure.

If he failed at Liverpool , people would just conclude that Liverpool are forever going to be a 2nd rate club .No one would suddenly think he is useless.

He could well take the job imo

A + is he is not someone who likes to micromanage stuff and get into rows about what players he wants , so would fit in to the structure Liverpool have . Klopp i dont think would like this too much.


I can't buy into that at all, Ancelotti has only ever been used to working with real quality, he's not going to accept signings like Lallana, Inggs or Can, all top managers want to buy their own players, not have players shafted on to them, he is no yes man.

It's not about whether people's perception of him will change as much as it's about his own pride, a great record wherever he's been, wont achieve much with this Liverpool squad and they've already spent a lot of money this season.

Trying to assess the clubs thinking by looking at the market....

If thye sacked Rodgers because Klopp had already agreed then he would be about 1.04 so doubt that has happened unless they have watertight security against leaks

If no one knew anything youd think Klopp would not be as short as 1.39

Most likely i would guess they sacked Rodgers on the assumption Klopp would take it and are now awaiting a response from him ,with Ancelotti the next call if JK turns it down

is klopp a bit risky he bombed out at Dortmund at the end

WHO GIVES A FYK ?

indeed, a mid table side trying to reach 6th. not really a top job anymore is it ?

a lot of livepool fans do

tony57 you are insane...

The ECHO understands that the Reds will make an approach to the former Borussia Dortmund boss over the coming days as they seek a successor to Brendan Rodgers,


Carlo Ancelotti and Frank de Boer will also come under consideration but Klopp is viewed as the ideal replacement by Anfield’s hierarchy.

The 48-year-old German has been out of management since he stepped down at Dortmund back in May. He announced that he was taking a sabbatical but has made it known in recent weeks that he’s ready to return and would relish working in the Premier League.

Klopp boasts an impressive CV haven’t won two Bundesliga titles and taken Dortmund to the 2013 Champions League final. The ECHO understands that he’s eager to hold talks with the Reds.

A Bosnian Newspaper ( ok ) reported this morning that Klopp agreed a 3 year deal

Klopps assistant is Bosnian FWIW

WHO GIVES A FLYIN FYK #???????

FOYSDC, there is a manager market going.

big chunks matched at 1.28 and 1.30 and then suddenly back out to 1.40, these markets are a trader's dream

Ian Holloway needs to be added

someone managed to lay Moyes for £2 at 350

Would be funny if they hired an 'interim' manager like Dalglish, who was in charge for 10 league games or more (december 26 10th league game), until Jan where they got a permanent manager to spend in the January transfer market, or at the end of the season even if klopp talks fell through, or McAllister 25/1 with sky.
Market would be settled then.

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High on the list

whoever they get, they need to give him 2 years and a load of cash to replace half the squad. More a job for klopp than ancelotti. Reckon he might even prefer a job like pool to a bigger club, more like the dortmund job than a bayern, city, chelsea

https://mobile.twitter.com/CuppaBeans09/status/650738349540548609

but the owners will probably go for garry monk

Ian Ayre, the chief executive, and the FSG president, Mike Gordon, spoke to Rodgers, who can expect a pay-off in the region of £7 million, within an hour of the draw at ­Goodison Park to inform him of the board’s decision. Ayre visited ­Rodgers’s home after Gordon delivered the news by phone.

Can't find Paul Jewell on the list! I assume it must be an "excluding Paul Jewell market" which is why Klopp is so low.

Its not a proper manager market until BRUCE ARENA is added to the list of runners.

gotta say i wasnt overly impressed with ancelottie at real.

they have a very very expensive squad yet last season in many games lower teams were able to match them in midfield for instance.
you can argue that being open will mean more space for their attack but when you look back at the teams he managed all are of that profile where they were roughly the top side in the division anyway.

dont think its a very good fit.

klopp took a side from near bankruptcy and implemented a system which others have now followed.
they did produce some very good players although some who were deemed to be very good flopped when they left....lewandowski the exception.
but overall it does point to his system being the most important thing.
think the year they struggles they had many players who had come back from multiple or long term injuries adn trying to get them fit again all at once told.
imo woudl be a very good choice.

conte would be interesting.

my choice would be either schmidt or berizzo.

schmidt because he has taken klopps "master plan" and improved on it...imo he is a level above klopp tactically from what i have seen.

berizzo because he took enriques side and improved on it....and in doing so makign them the most attactive footballing side to watch on the continent....they wont win things ebcause they cant compete financially and they need a top drawer strike and 2 quality centre backs......but if berizzo stepped into a side with better quality i think he could really make his mark.....woudl have to up the passing quality in the club though and we do seem to have one or two too many who like to hog the ball rather than link it enough.

He's not a good fit because he's too big for Liverpool.

Klopp was stressed at Dortmund, but I reckon he will soon look back on that as an easy time compared to life at Liverpool involving American owners, difficulty of attracting top players, a demoralising annual fight for fourth place and the large amount of whoppers who want regime change when the going gets tough.

A lot of those ' whoppers ' didn't want him in the first place..

homefortea
firstly Liverpool merchandise sales are top 5 in the world ..far east top 3 with real and barca,anfield will have 10k more capacity next season..more money to compete,owners who back the manager...Liverpool are a bigger club than Bayern ..they have a bigger income than Bayern?on the pitch its plain to see who is were..but when the bank account is analyzed..Liverpool is bigger....whitch means they can attract the top managers ..and players..you supported rodgers if I remember rightly?..says it all really..

Lol at Liverpool have a bigger income than Bayern. Bayern's income is about £135m larger than Liverpool's, and when you take into account Liverpool get like 3-4x as much from TV revenue due to the Premier League, you can see the gap is huge.

Liverpool's revenue are #9 on a world scale, but that's only good enough for #5 in England, which is part of the problem.

yes I know Bayern earn more..but are they not run by supporters and they cannot spend it?

You can't say Liverpool is bigger than Munich when you haven't won a league title in 25 years and instead cite money as an alternative ffs

n88uk
     this is my point, Bayern wont pay top wages like uk clubs, I think there stance is right, but Liverpool and the other top clubs pay these stupid wages which attracts the top players etc..and this is my point, are Bayern not a supporter co,op?

money is king..Bayern are the bigger club on the pitch I never denied that,we haven't won our own title for years.

Money does not necessarily attract the best players; it attracts the top mercenaries.

If it attracted the top players, then Robben, Vidal, Lewndowski (throw in Ronaldo ane Messi too) et al would all be playing in the Prem.

They go to Bayern because they are paid well (if not the top wage), will be assured to win the league every year, and under Pep have a chance to win the Champions League, with little to no chance of them ever not qualifying for next seasons CL.

I agree ted,
            my point was Liverpool were a bigger club for that reason?  I should've presented it better!bayern also get money from a sponsorship deal from german telecom, name of stadium etc..

The idea that the current Liverpool is bigger than Bayern Munich is nothing short of ridiculous.

I can't buy into that at all, Ancelotti has only ever been used to working with real quality, he's not going to accept signings like Lallana, Inggs or Can, all top managers want to buy their own players, not have players shafted on to them, he is no yes man.

Plenty of statements where mes has looked a bit of a buffoon lately but this one? Dear me.

Joe allen may tempth him though

Carlo lasted as long as he did at Milan under Berlusconi precisely because he doesn't rock the boat.

In his first summer at Chelsea we signed Yuri Zhirkov who was already lined up on the recommendation of Guus Hiddink, Daniel Sturridge, Ross Turnbull and an unknown at the time called Nemanja Matic.

In his second summer we signed Ramires and Yossi Benayoun. This was after Michael Ballack had been released when he'd wanted him to stay. That November he had his assistant manager sacked against his wishes and in the January he had Torres foisted on him.

To sum up, during his 2 years at Chelsea not a single player was bought on his say so. He's a lovely bloke and nobody at Chelsea at the time had a bad word to say about him but he's about as close as you could get to a yes man.

Don't know where this Bayern don't pay top wages is coming from. Pretty sure their top earners will be on more than Liverpool's. Plus that's an expensive squad wage wise. There's no mega stars on 300k a week, but I imagine they have a lot of earners around the 100k-150k a week mark. Bayern Munich's average yearly salary is supposedly only topped by PSG, Real Madrid, Man City, Barcelona and Man Utd.

Bayern have one huge competitive advantage, that the majority of top German players want to play for them, when you take into account Germany is also arguably the strongest footballing nation of all, that's quite an advantage, and while not paying the mega money of maybe a select few clubs beyond them, they pay enough to get these players to stay.

Their top earners are Robben, Ribery, Lewendowski and Lahm, who are on €160,000 (approx £118,000) a week:

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/bayern-munich-player-salaries/

For comparison, the same website reports Chelsea's top earners:

Hazard £200k/week (€270)
Costa £180k/week (€242.5)
Fabregas £156k/week (€211)
Terry £150k/week (€202)
Falcao £140k/week (€190)
Courtois £120k/week (€162)

http://www.totalsportek.com/football/chelsea-player-salaries/ (source)

I highly doubt they are on that little. You can get different sources estimating much higher than that, upwards of £150k on some of their players.

Sporting Intelligence say their average earner (no idea how many players they use for this) is on £4.47m a year, which would suggest their top earners on more than that.

In general wages are an area of contention, but Luca Toni's wages from his time at Bayern are known due to a court case where it was revealed, and he was on 14.5m euros a season from 2007-2010. I highly doubt their top earners have nearly halved while their success on the pitch has gone up many fold.

I assume these are the basic salaries, with a generous bonus structure on top of that.

It seems similar to the Man Utd model of the 90s/early 00's

irrelevant what the gross salary is, what is the tax rate in Germany?

Ribery and Götze are the top earners at FCB. Both on 12M euros a year (around £170,000 a week). Müller's contract extension will see him become top earner.

Marcce 05 Oct 15 15:11 Joined: 03 Jun 06 | Topic/replies: 3,687 | Blogger: Marcce's blog
Carlo lasted as long as he did at Milan under Berlusconi precisely because he doesn't rock the boat.

In his first summer at Chelsea we signed Yuri Zhirkov who was already lined up on the recommendation of Guus Hiddink, Daniel Sturridge, Ross Turnbull and an unknown at the time called Nemanja Matic.

In his second summer we signed Ramires and Yossi Benayoun. This was after Michael Ballack had been released when he'd wanted him to stay. That November he had his assistant manager sacked against his wishes and in the January he had Torres foisted on him.

To sum up, during his 2 years at Chelsea not a single player was bought on his say so. He's a lovely bloke and nobody at Chelsea at the time had a bad word to say about him but he's about as close as you could get to a yes man.


The difference is this, those players he signed at Chelsea were merely signed as squad players, fringe players to add to a squad already filled with a core group of players who were capable of winning trophies, which they did, if he were at Liverpool, he wouldn't have a core group of players that could challenge for anything like he did when he walked into Chelsea, so he's hardly likely to accept signings in the form of your Lallana's, Can's and Jo Allen's as main first team players, and that's the kind of level of player Liverpool, a non CL team can attract, Torres however was a recent European and World Champion, one of the best players on the planet at the time until Chelsea got their hands on him, can't find any direct quotes from Ancelotti where he stated he didn't want him either apart from this report which said he wasn't foisted upon him http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/6732919/ancelotti-torres-not-a-gift

The reason why he lasted so long at Milan was because he had the players to win two Champions League titles with personnel including Nesta-Madini-Gattuso-Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf-Inzagi, Costacuerta-Rui Costa-Shevchenko.........now I don't know about you, but if those players were given to me I wouldn't rock the boat either

The main point is, given the groups of players he's worked with, and the money he's had at his disposal and the fact that the clubs he's been at have all had the Champions League lure to attract much better players tells me he wont fancy the job.

During his last few years after his 2nd CL win with them, that Milan squad was getting older and older with very few decent signings brought in to rejig things. Their league form was generally poor. The year after that CL win they didn't win a home game till the January and to be honest if you're accepting Flamini on a free and Senderos on loan at a time when you haven't qualified for the CL then you're pretty much going along with anything.

Regarding Chelsea, Torres had been awful for the 6 months before we signed him. It was a Roman signing. So much so that Ancelotti was told to start him against Liverpool for his debut when his intention had been to put him on the bench. The summer he joined us he had pretty much convinced Pirlo to join us. The deal didn't happen because Chelsea wouldn't pay what Milan were asking. Any new manager joining a club wants to bring in some of his own players and he wasn't able to do that. Despite that there wasn't a grumble from him.

He's one of my top 3 favourite Chelsea managers but you want a company man for your club then Carlo's your man.

You said Torres was foisted upon Ancelotti, but he denied it and there are no direct quotes from him, and now you're saying Roman told him to start Torres v Liverpool, I don't suppose you can find a quote there instead? still nothing official to say he never wanted him at all, just rumour and hearsay Berlusconi built up massive debts which why they had to flog big players at the time like Kaka and Ibrahimovic to pay them off, I wouldn't have walked when Arsenal cast offs were offered either if it meant no fat pay off cheque with a resignation, he tried to publicly humiliate him into leaving by stating his tactics were directly responsible for Milan not winning the league. He did however want Ribery and Alonso as he said in his book, one stayed in Munich, one went to a much bigger club, Madrid

Though this tedious point on whether an a 55 year old is a yes man or is so dull I'm barely conscious replying, reminds me of something I read not so long ago reposted somewhere.


"I was at an airport, reading a newspaper, when the World's Three Most Boring People sat down next to me and started talking as loud as they could without amplifiers. They were so boring I took notes on their conversation. Here's an actual excerpt:

First Person (pointing to a big bag): That's a big bag.
Second Person: That IS a big bag.
First Person: You can hold a lot in a bag like that.
Third Person: Francine has a big bag like that.
First Person: Francine does? Like that?
Third Person: Yes. It holds everything. She puts everything in that bag.
Second Person: It's a big bag.
Third Person: She says whatever she has, she just puts it in that bag and just boom, closes it up.
First Person: Francine does?
Second Person: That is a BIG bag."


That's us Marce, the third person is Kenilworth, now I don't know about you, but I'm feeling wild tonight, I'm off to read the Dictionary

It's like this mes. When I see someone authoritatively spouting complete gonads I feel duty bound to help them out.

You'll struggle to find any quotes re that Liverpool game btw. Not all of us get all of our knowledge via google.

Oh and enjoy the dictionary. I should warn you though, as someone who has hitherto felt the need to make over 14600 posts on here in order to try and fill their time, you might find it a little too hedonistic for you. Ciao Ciao.

Never realised you had a nasty edge you marce, learn something new every day.

You said Torres was foisted upon Ancelotti, yet not only did he deny it, you can't post any quotes.
You said Roman told Ancelotti to play Torres, yet you can't find any quotes to substantiate that.

Then to top it off, you laughably make a thinly veiled claim to having inside knowledge, that's what I take from the lack of quotes and the derision of Googling, so it's ironic for you to claim you are duty bund to help anyone when you are not helping yourself, if you're not full of s*** you're doing a very good impression of someone who is reminds me of dr . atkins quote 6 months ago "I don't get my info from the papers" - when insisting Oscar was leaving summer gone. Do you two insiders get your info from the same source? Mystic Meg?

I'm up to -apocryphal in the dictionary, look, and there's your picture

Mes, I find most gunners are decent, knowledgeable people. Prefer them over mancs and chavs.

But you take the biscuit; you are a complete bell end.

Nasty edge mes? Not at all.

You tried to be clever, I put you right and then you made out that it was all a bore for you. Though not so much of a bore of course to stop you returning to the subject once again.

I've made no secret on the Chelsea thread that I get certain information from certain people from time to time. Trust me if I was going to use bs to impress people, this forum wouldn't particularly head the list of places I'd look to do it.

You can't back anything up and the premise of your whole argument is "inside info" PMSL. We can all claim to have that and give any story legs, it's not me who's tried to be clever, I haven't made unsubstantiated claims, you have, which might explain why you keep throwing a wobbler when pulled up on it.

Every journalist going has sources or inside info, most of it turns out to fabricated bollox, so forgive me for not taking marcce from the Betfair forum's word as gospel on this one And to make things worse, you've now got some supporting company from Charwell, the grouser's grouser,  that's clinched it for me.

klopp as low as 1.1 now

Looks like a done deal - probably into the detail of contract etc. Could still go wrong from here but doubtful.

A great appointment I think - though they will have to give him time.

dont think klopp will work with a transfer committee

though they will have to give him time.

of course he will get time.

some of the players wont though

bbc. He's only ever worked with a transfer committee.

Giving someone time depends on your expectations....

When he took over at Dortmond they were 13th. Next four seasons were 6th, 5th, 1st, 1st. I think that fans in England are less patient than in Germany.

And fans in Liverpool are less patient than most others in England...

That's fine I think we'll accept a 7 position improvement in his 1st season

be interesting to see which "name" will get the chop.

my guess is benteke.as a pressing system wont be able to carry more than one luxury player....and it may have to carry none....so it could mean both benteke and sturridge having to put in serious shifts from now on and sharpen up reading the game.

we will see if we have any prima donnas left.

Exactly,the lazy £ grabbers will be found out asap and sold

Seems klopp if he gets the job will be a bit more upfront and ruthless with players which is whats needed , with attackers like firminino,sturridge,benteke,ings he should get a " winning attitude" going

firminio and ings would fit his system......firminio played for hoffenheim who use it....ings is tailor made with his attitude off the ball.

sturridge and benetke are low quality pressers but he could use a luxury option up top like he did with lewandowski but then sturridges link up play will have to match imo....simply dont see both in at the same time under klopps system unless he decides to scrap the system which made him.

coutinio can press but gets tired.

lalana is the one likely to benefit from the system because he played under pottechino who used a variant of it.


in the back line i think moreno is a worry as he isnt as balanced a fullback as smeltzer....also no way are sakho or louvren the standard of subotic or the style needed.

we dont have a hummels who imo was their most influential player.......that should be our first signing ....hopefully.

G1 did he not try to sign Benteke when he was at Dortmund or did i dream that???

dont know but imo the two of them together will be a big no no as the pressing game will have a hole in it.

Yes i can see your point

Klopp was never after Benteke. But he did spend 118M on, amongst others, these beauts:

Mkhitaryan 27.5M euros
Sokratis 9.9M euros
Immobile 19.4M euros
Kampl 12M euros
Ramos 9.7M euros
Sahin 7M euros

Die Linke. The issue I have is that Klopp appears to have always been a coach and not got involved in choosing players. And Liverpool's big problem appears to be signing the right players. Rodgers did a good job with decent players.

So we actually need the people who were identifying the good players at Dortmund as well as him. Even the best Manager cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

kampl is back with schmidt..didnt really settle at dortmund.

thought he was superb v barca last week

mes not going to clog up this thread with petty off topic arguments.

There are examples around this forum where I've given information for people to make up their own minds up as to whether I was "in the know" or not. 

Not everyone on here is a raving fantasist and on that note I'll leave you to your country mansion with your dozens of models feeding you grapes or whatever it was.

In Germany a trainer goes to the manager and says "I would like X, Y and Z". That's the end of their input. The manager takes over responsibility and decides which, if any, of X, Y and Z are to be signed. He then deals with all aspects of the transfers from initial inquiry to signing on the dotted line. If the signings turn out to be dogsh1t he is the one who is hauled over the coals.

The Manager being the DoF?

I'm glad you're not going to clog up the thread with petty arguments Marce, I know how you like to debate a point to death.

You strike me as someone who studies his own horoscope, reads palms, tea leafs, tarot cards, visits seaside Fortune tellers and puts a spoon on his tele when Uri Geller tells him to

Your friend Psychic Mutley who you get your inside information from, that fella down the pub, does he sit in the corner wearing a bobble hat and dark glasses, holding up a copy of the Sun close to his face ,whispering these priceless club secrets through a cut out hole in the middle

did you back klopp mes?

I did Dragon, convinced was I Ancelotti wasn't the man.

nice one m8 looks like your quids in barring a contract hitch- which seems unlikely vwd

Die Linke...

"Immobile 19.4M euros"

Liverpool already have eleven on the books...

Only four words to describe the reign of the rotten toothed man at Liverpool...

Rickie Danny Lambert Ings...

And as the great man once said ...

"and not necessarily in that order"...

rod corkhill

A blast from the past fella..

Here is another one..Freddie Boswell...

what about the Welsh Xavi?