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which are your top ten of all time?

10 points for first 9 points for second etc etc result sunday eve

thanks for participating

heres my humble taster


1 pele   brazil

2 maradona argentina

3 messi argentina

4 c ronaldo portugal

5 f beckenbauer germany

6 j cruff netherlands

7 g best n ireland

8 b moore england

9  ronaldo brazil

10 b charlton england
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Report mesmerised June 25, 2015 4:12 PM BST
I always have to question when people cite Pele as the best...how many times did you actually see him play? there wasn't exactly untold live coverage of the hundred of games he played in for Santos in the 50's and 60's.

1. Bergkamp
2. Henry
3. Real Ronaldo (Brazilian)
4. Ronaldinho
5. Figo
6. Messi
7. Viera
8. Pires
9. Raul
10. Scholes
Report donny osmond June 25, 2015 4:20 PM BST
messi
pele
zidane
maradonna
franz beckenbaur
cryuff
gabby batistuta
gerd muller
gunter netzer
gazza
Report Blackrock June 25, 2015 4:22 PM BST
Scholes better than Maradonna????????? C'mon Mes, cant be having that.

1 Messi
2 Maradonna
3 Cryuff
4 Dennis Bergkamp
5 Cristiano  Ronaldo
6 Franz Beckanbauer
7 Gordon Banks
8 Pele
9 Ronaldhino
10 Alain Giresse
Report Si-K June 25, 2015 4:23 PM BST
1. Gerard Deolefueueo
Report mesmerised June 25, 2015 4:32 PM BST
Maradonna was a bit before my time. The rest I've seen pretty much the entirety of their careers bar the early stages of Bergkamp. An honourable mention for Tony Adams, best ever centre half in the Prem and better than the acclaimed Madini who was afforded the luxury of playing for better managers in better teams in slower leagues to help him look better, win more and last longer.
Report jamesdean June 25, 2015 4:47 PM BST
I honestly don't think any player that has played in the Premiership would be in it. It is just what is brainwashed into the UK Viewer. Well, some of them.

1.Pele
2.Maradonna
3.Ronaldo (Brazil)
4.Zidane
5.Messi
6.Ronaldinho
7.Baggio
8.Maldini
9.Beckenbaur
10.Muller
Report jed.davison June 25, 2015 4:49 PM BST
Mes, Maldini was the best centre-half in the whole wide world at a time when the Italian League was the best in the world by a long way.

Understandable that you have a slight bias towards Arsenal, of course, but steady on a bit.

Adams was a decent centre-back, for sure, but no more than that, just another Englishman routinely exposed at International level. The year before he won his first title at Arsenal, he had been made to look second-rate at Euro 88.
Report mesmerised June 25, 2015 5:02 PM BST
At which point, he was a raging alcoholic which didn't help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ91CP7k7X0
Also the only Captain to Captain a team to the title in 3 different decades
The Adams I remember, was the dogs bolloxCool
Report geordie1956 June 25, 2015 5:09 PM BST
pele
maradona
tostao
muller
beckenbauer
charlton
banks
messi
cruff as joe mercer used to say
tony green (best player I ever saw live)
Report Blackrock June 25, 2015 6:00 PM BST
Paolo Maldini was a left back and not a centre back.
Report Kit-Kat-Dan June 25, 2015 6:10 PM BST
1. Messi
2. Pele
3. Beckenbauer
4. Baresi
5. Zidane
6. Cruyff
7. Best (George not Clyde)
8. Platini
9. C.Ronaldo
10. Rui Costa
Report lfc1971 June 25, 2015 6:43 PM BST
1.Greaves
2.Pele
3.Gerd Muller
4.Cryff
5.Ronaldo.Brazil
6.Messi
7.Van Basten
8.Beckenbauer
9.Karl Heinz Rummenigge
10.Steve Heighway.
Report This is for BIG Players only June 25, 2015 6:52 PM BST
Bergkamp above Ronaldo, I hope that a sick joke.
Report salmon spray June 25, 2015 6:53 PM BST
1 Messi
2 Pele
3 Maldini
4 Cruyff
5 Maradonna
6 Ronaldo ( Portugal )
7 Zoff
8 Matthews
9 Hazard
10 Beckenbauer
Report This is for BIG Players only June 25, 2015 6:56 PM BST
1995–2006     Arsenal     315     (87)

Ronaldo scored more goals in 2 seasons than Dennis in 11 years !!
Report mesmerised June 25, 2015 6:58 PM BST
It's not about goals, the thread is not called the top 10 goalscorers of all time, it's called which footballers are in your top 10, and Bergkamp had everything in his locker as a footballer, he was too good a passer/assister for him to made the outright striker which is why he played off either Wright, Anelka or Henry.
Report This is for BIG Players only June 25, 2015 7:03 PM BST
Understand that but how can 'one of the best players in the world' only average 8 goals a season in a forward role???
Report morpteh mackem June 25, 2015 7:12 PM BST
messi
pele
cruyff
maradona
beckenbauer
platini
di stefano
baresi
van basten
ronaldo-portugal
Report mesmerised June 25, 2015 7:15 PM BST
He was 31 by the year 2000, and was there to provide goals. Only played more than 30 games in a season twice  out of 11 due to injury or age considering he was 36 in his last year, all players in their mid-thirties go into decline, at his best he was the best. And given how many goalscorers Arsenal had in the team it was never an issue, Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Wiltord, Anelka, Overmars all score bucketloads. He was the visionary in the team as corny as that may sound.
Report YOMOMMA June 25, 2015 7:17 PM BST
1. Harry Kane
2. Pele
3. Diego Maradona

I can't count to 10 so just did first 3.
Report Mr Eboue June 25, 2015 7:18 PM BST
Why do people insist on calling the Brazilian Ronaldo the 'REAL' Ronaldo?

I can understand it when Ronaldo was in his early days at Utd diving and not doing much else. He was a poor imitation of the legendary Brazilian goal machine.

But since then he, along with Messi, have been the two most outstanding players of this generation.

'Real' Ronaldo my arse.
Report can June 25, 2015 7:24 PM BST
1,maradonna
2,messi
3,pele
4,paolo rossi
5,cryuff
6,zico
7,bergkamp
8,zidane
9,ronaldo
10,platini.
Report Mr Eboue June 25, 2015 7:26 PM BST
I love Bergkamp more than most but Putting him ahead of Zidane, Ronaldo etc is insane.
Report JC1326 June 25, 2015 7:26 PM BST
Darren Huckerby a shocking omission
Report can June 25, 2015 7:28 PM BST
mr eboue i dont think they are calling him real ronaldo as in the  'real deal' but as in real madrid ronaldoLaugh
Report Mr Eboue June 25, 2015 7:32 PM BST
Oh! haha LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report jamesdean June 25, 2015 7:53 PM BST
No, they mean real as in the first, the Brazilian.
Report mesmerised June 25, 2015 8:02 PM BST
You can't compare both Ronaldo's ffs, the Real Ronaldo, the original one, was more skillful, more agile and more naturally talented and scored higher quality goals, Crissy, as some painfully love struck dozy tarts on this forum call him has got better and better but that's largely down to power, flat track bullying and dead ball situations. There is not a lot of finesse to his game.
Report Mr Eboue June 25, 2015 8:07 PM BST
The current Ronaldo is a better player than the original.
Report bigH June 25, 2015 8:11 PM BST
Pele
Maradona
Messi
Cruyff
Zidane
Ronaldo (Brazil)
Beckenbauer
Van Basten
Baresi
Platini

My favorite player is Cruyff - he changed the way football was played almost singlehandedly
Report tommo1000 June 25, 2015 8:26 PM BST
pele
maradona.
zico
Socrates
johan cruyff
klinsman
baresi
Ronaldo(Brazilian one)
platini
batistuta

no hatchet men around these days,messi,ronaldo (the weasel)etc have it easy
Report jed.davison June 25, 2015 9:17 PM BST
Fair point blackrock, was played at left-back in his 'peak' years, although he did excel at centre-back as he got older.
Report jed.davison June 25, 2015 9:21 PM BST
1 Messi
2 Maradona
3 Beckenbauer
4 Cruyff
5 Cristiano Ronaldo

Can't comment on Pele, before my time. Above is top five I've seen play.
Report EvgenyKissin June 25, 2015 9:43 PM BST
1) Steve Hodge
2) Gary Mabbutt
3) John Barnes
4) Peter Crouch
5) Nigel Clough
6) Jack Kelsey
7) George Best
8) Michael Owen
9) Ronny Rosenthal
10) Lionel Messi
Report anxious June 25, 2015 9:53 PM BST
1 Maradona
2 Messi
3 Cruyff
4 Maldini
5 C.ronaldo
6 Beckebauer
7 B.moore
8 Ineista
9 Baresi
10Pele
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 25, 2015 10:00 PM BST
Can only rate those I've seen at their peak

Messi
Maradona
C Ronaldo
Gullit
Platini
Matthaus
Van Basten
Iniesta
Zidane
Gascoigne
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 25, 2015 10:05 PM BST
The Laudrups
Bergkamp
Henry
Hagi
Stoichkov
Rijkaard
Klinnsman
Figo
Xavi
Suarez

all up there
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 25, 2015 10:11 PM BST
Ronaldinho
Socrates
Zico
The other Ronaldo

too hard to choose really
Report jed.davison June 25, 2015 10:11 PM BST
Garrincha, Just Fontaine, Raymond Kopa, Nils Liedholm, John Charles, di Stefano, Matthews, Neil Franklin and on and on and on.

Impossible to call imo.

Interesting that we agree about modern players though Clydebank.
Report Darlo Bantam June 25, 2015 10:14 PM BST
Far too difficult a task, so just chucking a few names in and sticking with those I've seen.

Paolo Maldini, Lionel Messi, Ruud Gullit, Zinedine Zidane, Gigi Buffon, Diego Maradona, Paul Gascoigne, Lothar Matthaus, Ryan Giggs, Eric Cantona, Zico.
Report flanders June 25, 2015 10:15 PM BST
Maradona.
Greaves.
beckenbaur.
messi.
C.Ronaldo.
Hoddle.
Cruyff
Charlton.
Platini.
Best.
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 25, 2015 11:33 PM BST
Liking the list your list darlo, the people that put pele into their top 10 are shirley lemmings ?

I dont know whether he is great, i have read that he was great.
Report iprefertolay June 26, 2015 12:14 AM BST
i forgot over di stefeno, muller oops
Report FatherMaguire June 26, 2015 8:21 AM BST
Messi
Maradona
Fat Ronaldo
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Figo
Rivaldo
Hagi
Stoichkov
Xavi
Report sonofshinner June 26, 2015 8:36 AM BST
pat jennings
cruff
di stefano
puskas
cantana
best
charlton
finney
iniesta
hurley
1st reserve  bobby mitchell.
Report salmon spray June 26, 2015 10:19 AM BST
This is actually very difficult. In cricket you at least have averages which don't give you the full story but at least give you a shart. I know you now have stats in football but they are a recent development and apparently last year highlighted Lovren as the best defender in the Premier League     Crazy
Report salmon spray June 26, 2015 10:20 AM BST
*start
Report the bairn June 26, 2015 11:01 AM BST
Cryuff was the best all rounder by a mile, and Jimmy Johnstone was the best winger by a mile and Richard Gough was the best centre half. cheers.
Report unitedbiscuits June 26, 2015 12:58 PM BST
One measurement of a great player is to make his team-mates, like Didier Deschamps seem great players too.
Another measure is World Cup performance, the only question against Messi.
And then the feeling that watching a certain player is completely different from watching other footballers.Force of personality. Platini and, on a smaller stage, Cantona had it in spades. George Best didn't
And legacy: taking your club or your country from there to there.

For me the greatest of them all was Cruyff, for transforming Ajax, Holland and Barcelona.
I can't have Messi above Maradona and I think Pele trumps them both with three World Cups.
Never saw Di Stefano but it's him or Zidane for fifth place.
Report iamajambo June 26, 2015 1:13 PM BST
Jim Baxter is a shocking omission,if only for his mickey taking at Wemberleigh in 1967.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report mesmerised June 26, 2015 1:16 PM BST
Wilshere will be on all of your lists by the time his career is over
Report pantsonfire June 26, 2015 1:30 PM BST
Wilshere? Are you on the right thread?
My 10 are

Cruyff
Maradona
Pele
Ronaldo
Ronaldo
Messi
Zidane
Boniek
Platini
Eusebio
Report G1_Jockey_4 June 26, 2015 1:35 PM BST
..............................brucie...........................


cafu...............baresi.............ayala............maldini....



..............................makelele...........................


.............zidane.........................socrates......................


messi........................pele...................cruyf..................
Report unbiased June 26, 2015 1:58 PM BST
This list shows how some posters select their wagers,totally disregarding form,and just selecting their preferences for personal reasons,as opposed to what they achieved.
Both of those Italian greats played as full backs as well as centre backs.Their performances spoke for themselves,hence the expression "defending is an art-form" in Italy.
Report unbiased June 26, 2015 1:59 PM BST
Not your list G1,which is pretty good.
Report mle4me June 26, 2015 2:52 PM BST
Blatter
Pleat
Hodgson
Sven

All quality players back in the day.
Report rommel June 26, 2015 4:24 PM BST
DONT GET ANYONE SAYING CANTONA,oops caps,fine player but an all time great?no dont get that at all
Report marychain1 June 26, 2015 4:38 PM BST
1. Lionel Messi
2. Diego Maradona
3. Jordi Cryuff
4. Pele
5. Alfredo Di Stefano
6. Laszlo Kubala
7. Zinedine Zidane
8. Lev Yashin
9. Ferenc Puskas
10. Ruud Gullit
Report unitedbiscuits June 26, 2015 6:56 PM BST
Your order of the football gods is plausible, marychain.
Messi is by far the greatest in the consistent brilliance and unshakeable temperament he brings to all games, and I suspect that all managers would pencil him in first on a Friday night. But Maradona won a World Cup on his own and damn near pulled off the same trick in Rome four years later. Platini said that Maradona could make an orange obey him as well as Zidane controlled a football but I think there was jealousy. Jordi Cruyff, bless him, was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. But imagine having Johann as your father!
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 26, 2015 7:09 PM BST
I thought Peter Shilton was the best goalie in the world for a number of years.  Funny how we struggle so much in that department now when 30 years ago we possibly had 5 of the top 10.

I think Desailly was the best centre half
Report donny osmond June 26, 2015 7:17 PM BST
its about which are your top 10

its nice to see some other opinions, and odd that some people cant realise that
others will not agree with opinions of others

its a betting site and if we all agreed we would not get a bet matched
Report Blackrock June 26, 2015 7:28 PM BST
Ive had my say already but have forgotten Greaves,Xavi, Bobby Charlton, Gullitt. Special mention to Willie Young who wasnt the best ever, but nobody ever tried harder.
Report Glasgow Brian June 26, 2015 7:45 PM BST
after reading your opening post --- no ZIDANE

so I will never return you divvy
Report can June 26, 2015 7:46 PM BST
maradonna is no1! no question simply the best ever.
Report Glasgow Brian June 26, 2015 7:54 PM BST
sorry - I am back , as much as I respect your opinions I have a very strong view on the greatest of all time .

NUMBER 1  DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA
NUMBER 2  ZENEDINE MALCOMN ZIDANE


The rest nowhere
Report unitedbiscuits June 26, 2015 8:06 PM BST
Bobby Charlton the only legitimate contender from these islands for a top ten place imho.

If you are of a certain age, you will remember him only after 66. He still was magnificent in the 68 European Cup final and against Brazil in 70. Sadly, he was subbed in the QF. Played a lot of crap games for Man U before retirement.
Report mesmerised June 26, 2015 8:12 PM BST
Next to no mentions of Henry or Bergkamp, instead a load of people harking back to their yoof, Henry pisses over most the players mentioned
Report sixtwosix June 26, 2015 8:34 PM BST
Diego Maradona
Gerd Muller
Bobby Charlton
John Charles
Ferenc Puskas
George Best
Gabrial Batistuta
Jarzinho
Pele
Andy Ritchie
Report morpteh mackem June 26, 2015 8:37 PM BST
kin hell mesmerised why dont go whole hog and get  arsenal legends gus ceasar, lee chapman, john radford, jeff blockley in too ???
Report YOMOMMA June 27, 2015 8:23 AM BST
1. Harry Kane.
2. Pele.
3. Diego Maradona.

No one else can match those 3.
Report Charlton2005 June 27, 2015 10:02 AM BST
pele
maradona
cruyff
best
messi
beckenbauer
dalglish
moore
zidane
le tissier
Report Charlton2005 June 27, 2015 10:03 AM BST
. Jordi Cruyff, bless him, was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2015 2:12 AM BST
The greatest footballer, Jimmy Greaves.
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2015 2:20 AM BST
Greaves, before he got meningitis in his mid 20s, which he always felt took away a little of his blistering pace was as good as Messi,not just a great goalscorer but nobody could glide past players in quite the way Greaves did, he would turn and beat 3 or 4 players and pass the ball into the net, there has never been a player quite like him.
Report mesmerised June 28, 2015 1:24 PM BST
He would have struggled in today's game.
Report rommel June 28, 2015 1:57 PM BST

Jun 28, 2015 -- 1:24PM, mesmerised wrote:


He would have struggled in today's game.


why anyone says a great player wouldnt have been great today....

Report Captain Christy June 28, 2015 2:02 PM BST
1. Matthews
2. Banks
3. Messi
4. Van Basten
5. Pele
6  Gerd Mueller
7. Platini
8. Beckenbauer
9. Baresi
10.Maradona
Report Rob_The_Bantam June 29, 2015 12:24 AM BST
1. Maradona
2. Zidane
3. Messi
4. C Ronaldo
5. Ginola
6. Cafu
7. Bobby Baggio
8. Waddle
9. Hagi
10. Raul
Report iprefertolay June 29, 2015 1:05 PM BST
SORRY BEEN AWAY RESULT ON FRIDAY THANKS FOR PARTICIPATING
Report rogerthebutler June 29, 2015 1:39 PM BST
Paul Gascoigne
Jairzinho
Gunther Netzer
Johan Cruyff
Michel Platini
Cristiano Ronaldo
Jose-Luis Chilavert
Franz Beckenbauer
Socrates
Teofilio Cubillas
Report thelatarps June 29, 2015 11:12 PM BST
Diego armando maradona, grew up with the coont and you always have to believe your eyes
Pele, he was the goat growing up
Zidane, Best of the last 20yrs  imo
Stan Matthews, way ahead of his time and the germans and the eyetalians rated him
John Charles, wales and serie a ledge. enuff said
Hughie Gallacher, 5-1 at wembley won the league for newcastle which really is mission impossible
Georgie, you know. Once upon a long ago he rolled into the neverneverlands and got a 2-2 draw. Cruyff, Neeskins, Krol, van der Kerkhoff bros, the works. Johan said it was the greatest performance he ever saw
Tom Finney, as good as stanley, if not better. Bloke down the boozer said he was the best he ever saw at the lane
Blanchflower, Class. Glory. Style. Hero from the North
Xavi, you could say he has redifined the footballer. I doubt i will see his like again.
Report iprefertolay July 3, 2015 1:05 PM BST
RESULT IN A FEW HOURS THANKS ALL
Report kincsem July 3, 2015 1:55 PM BST
Gianluigi Buffon
Johann Cruyff
Michael Laudrup
Paolo Maldini
Diego Maradona
Lionel Messi
Gerd Muller
Michel Platini
Cristiano Ronaldo
Zinedine Zidane
Report iprefertolay July 3, 2015 2:07 PM BST
RESULT 8PM THANKS ALL
Report iprefertolay July 3, 2015 7:51 PM BST
]THANKS ALL WHO ENTERERED HERE IS THE RESULT

1.MARADDONA  229 POINTS

2.MESSI      187 POINTS

3.PELE        169 POINTS

4.CRYUFF      137 POINTS

5.C RONALDO   100 POINTS

6 BECKENBAUAR   77 POINTS 

7.ZINDANE      73 POINTS

8.MALDINI      41 POINTS

9.MULLER       37 POINTS

10. BEST       35 POINTS
Report mesmerised July 3, 2015 8:00 PM BST
George Best? Too many rose tinted Irish and Man United fans.

Never played in a World Cup so he can be discounted.

Nobody in South America has ever even heard of him.
Report donny osmond July 3, 2015 8:52 PM BST
top work iptl
Report marychain1 July 3, 2015 8:55 PM BST
Cant believe I'm the only person who voted for Laszlo Kubala ffs
Report iprefertolay July 3, 2015 11:49 PM BST
thanks donny and all who posted
Report kincsem July 4, 2015 8:28 AM BST
Thanks for the thread.
Amazed Steven Gerrard didn't finish top. Plain
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