ARSENAL v ALDOVISI

if it was abandoned before ht , the ht score cant be determined , and market will be void , i think

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:13PM, themightymac wrote:

Darlo. any lay of the 0-0 score HT or FT is a winning bet. The result has been determined

T&Cs doesn't say "result" determined, it says "market". The difference, I think unfortunately here, is crucial.

MIGHTY MAC IS CORRECT ,I WATCH JUDGE JUDY ALOT

I give up, where`s that Malt and a straw. Yeah, they could chop the Aldosivi goal off 30 mins after it was scored and make it 0-0 scoreline.

The result had not been determined but the market for 0-0 had.

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:15PM, themightymac wrote:

I give up, where`s that Malt and a straw. Yeah, they could chop the Aldosivi goal off 30 mins after it was scored and make it 0-0 scoreline.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand what you're saying, but that's not how the market works. When there's a goal in one of the other matches tonight, just look at the correct score market and you can still back 0-0. And that's the key here, it's the market not the result.

IF YOU LAID O -0 YOU WILL BE PAID OUT

muppet I`ll buy your bet from you if you like.

But SOMETIMES IM WRONG

Backer's
Odds
Backer's
Stake
Payout
Liability
0 - 0    2.32    €52.58    €69.41

so its probably a case where the person who took my bet gets off the hook ( lucky bugger ) and i get money back ( i cant win )

??? But you can't lay 0-0 after a goal is scored - the market is dead!

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:21PM, ohtartarsauce wrote:

??? But you can't lay 0-0 after a goal is scored - the market is dead!

Yes you actually can. You can see the market here with £5 laying 0-0 at 1000s, with £1 matched at that price.

Do Wah - phone me a taxi please to Beachy Head

i suppose it depends on what officials do in Argentina after the rioters have gone home.

I give up. No more explanations from I.

Unconditionally determined is the market in play. 0-0 is part a market in play.

Over and under 0.5 is a market determined and closed

Here we go now with the bogey suspends for the All Boys match

stray bullets mr spock

We'll probably hear from customer services next Pancake Wednesday

Darlo i'm with you. The correct score market isn't settled. The over0.5 is, not correct score. You'd be stupid to back 0-0 after a goal, but you can pump as much money into it as you like if someone will offer odds, wont get settled till FT.  No one who laid 0-0 would have been paid till FT, only the over 0.5 backers, so would expect it to be voided.

You may be able to bet 0-0 in play when it`s 1-0 as darlo states but the bet is already determined, determined that you lose as soon as you press the bet button.

We will see whose right, will leave you know. Im off to bed.

Look at the Rubio Nu game, you can still back 0-0 at 1000 even though it's 0-0. The market isn't settled.

Sorry mac - I have layed 0-0 and seen a few SA riots.

Betfair always void the CS market.

Always do the over 0.5 marker now for SA matches

market

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:30PM, rocknmoll wrote:

Look at the Rubio Nu game, you can still back 0-0 at 1000 even though it's 0-0. The market isn't settled.

Exactly. It comes down to whether Betfair interpret "unconditionally determined" as settled, or as no longer possible. I wish you luck, somemuppet, but I don't think you'll get any in this situation.

Look at the Rubio Nu game, you can still back 0-0 at 1000 even though it's 0-0. The market isn't settled.

How long left?  I'm all in

unconditionally determined is settled

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:31PM, Westender wrote:

Sorry mac - I have layed 0-0 and seen a few SA riots.Betfair always void the CS market.Always do the over 0.5 marker now for SA matches

And that's why I'm trying to help. For the few occasions that matches might be abandoned, and fighting in SA isn't entirely rare, o0.5 market is safer than the correct score market.

Correct. Its the market not the bet

If you had over o.5 goals its determined as closed. Correct score market is open and the market is made void not what you have traded as being a winner or looser in that market.

Bed

Laid 0-0 HT Arsenal game looks like being voided so tossed up between All Boys and Rubio Nu to do the same and picked the wrong one by the looks of it. The gambling gods are not good tonight.

Now here's an interesting one. Total goals. If you backed 1 or more instead of Over 0.5, do you get paid? As that one usually only settled at FT too right, not every goal?

You would think Betfair could go through the correct score market and settle the impossible scores in this scenario but they won't or can't for some reason.

Been stung with this a few times and it is a farce.

Total Goals will be void

mr spock  - you havent learned anything -lay the  first half over  0.5 goals , in case lightening , or rioting strike twice

Mighty Mac thumbing quickly through the T&C's with one hand, wiping egg off his face with the other.....

Never happened before to me so will take heed in future

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:38PM, rocknmoll wrote:

Now here's an interesting one. Total goals. If you backed 1 or more instead of Over 0.5, do you get paid? As that one usually only settled at FT too right, not every goal?

That's actually an even better point than you possibly realise. Because surely now that the cross-market cross-matcher is in operation, that would include between the "total goals" and "overs" markets, which mean one part of the bet could be void, and the other part of the same bet be already settled.

I'm just the ideas man Darlo

im expecting my half time 0-0 lay to be void! lesson learnt will be on over under markets from now on in south American matches as the inconsiderate ****s cant wait until half time before killing each other or wrecking the stadium

Even worse when you have a few bets up then some idiot in Chile hits a player on the head with a bottle in 89 mins

My worst was the 2012 Copa Sudamericana Final. You'd never expect a final to be abandoned because of police shooting and beating the away team in the changing rooms at half-time.

Chilean Cup Final Saturday night i struck my bets prior to kickoff 10.10pm as advertised and returned during the game. All was good and in-play and left the market. I made £186 on the game and was paid straight away

Sunday morning around 11am they took the £186 back and voided all bets on the game as the powers of B had it as a 10.30pm start.

Muppets

2 more Argentinan games coming up but on too late, KO 1.10 GMT

No point TSO

A packet of bacon won then ripped out the hands before you stick a rasher on the George Foreman

Think I will go over 1.5 in Paraguay 0-1 HT

rocknmoll - I don`t know about BF t&c`s but I know one thing, if anybody that layed 0-0 HT or FT doesn`t get paid, then BF is being run by a bunch of ******* muppets. Those bets are unconditionally determined winning bets just the same as your 1 goal or more in the match. If you placed these bets with bookies then you have already been paid out.

I bet a team that was winning 3-0 with 5 mins to play and the game got abandoned due to crowd trouble. I was robbed, but the bet was void and rightly so, because the outcome was undetermined - the other team could have scored 3 goals in the last 5 mins.

Mar 30, 2015 -- 11:56PM, Westender wrote:

No point TSOA packet of bacon won then ripped out the hands before you stick a rasher on the George Foreman

You had a bet ont he game just abandoned Westennder?

Nothing worse than smelling the Bacon in the george foreman grill and than having it snayched out the grill before yoru eyes

Sorry guys this is a new one on me, I had arsenal to win so does this mean I could get my £200 back ?

Dpends if game is replayed in 3 days or federation decision made, if neither then bets void and stake returned in 3 days as per usual abandoned game rules

Glad i came on too late too get involved in abandoned Arsenal game

Layed 0-0 as knew every Arsenal team has a poor defence.

Arsene's tactics widely used by Arsenal teams all over the world now

Sorry does federation decision mean they can decide the result or just to name the rearranged fixture if any ?

That was at westender

MightyMac, I don't disagree with the logic, but then when has Betfair been run by people blessed with such. I think as Darlo said it comes down to the use of the word market, and in this case it is not a settled market.

unless the game is finished or replayed in 3 days you will get your £200 back

I can see what you lot are saying but if that`s correct then that is criminal. If this has happened to you guys before then seriously I would not bet with them again. It`s nothing more than robbery and the person who came up with the Rule must have been on acid at the time or knows f*** all about betting.

Blimey, what's been going on here then? I missed this game and went shopping in handcuffs instead...

Thanks muzzyeire, watch this space then...............I am guessing as they are due to play Velez on saturday night this will not get rescheduled ?

Fellaini coming on for Cerro Porteno

Mar 31, 2015 -- 12:08AM, themightymac wrote:

I can see what you lot are saying but if that`s correct then that is criminal. If this has happened to you guys before then seriously I would not bet with them again. It`s nothing more than robbery and the person who came up with the Rule must have been on acid at the time or knows f*** all about betting.

but thats the terms and conditions rule you agree to when you join and bet

If you ticked that box which you have to when you join then you agree to the 3 day rule

This is nothing to do with a three day rule TSO. It's the fact that an impossible result is not determined until 90 minutes whereas essentially identical markets are already settled when impossible. There is no theoretical difference between laying 0-0 and backing Over 0.5 goals, but Betfair's T&Cs mean one is a winner and the other void when the match is abandoned at 1-0.

anyone who bets full bank everytime will be left fundless now for 3 days

Mar 31, 2015 -- 12:17AM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

This is nothing to do with a three day rule TSO. It's the fact that an impossible result is not determined until 90 minutes whereas essentially identical markets are already settled when impossible. There is no theoretical difference between laying 0-0 and backing Over 0.5 goals, but Betfair's T&Cs mean one is a winner and the other void when the match is abandoned at 1-0.

Yes i agree, it should be 1 rule for all, but dont forget BF is a business where commission for them is KING

How does that make any sense? By not settling a market, or at least part of it, Betfair are losing out on commission. (And good will.)

rocknmoll - I don`t know about BF t&c`s but I know one thing, if anybody that layed 0-0 HT or FT doesn`t get paid,


That's not right, if there's been a goal then that's that irrespective of any abandonment.

If they settled the 0-0 bets and voided say, the 0-2 bets they leave themselves open to interpretation of their rules. It must be black and white and 0-0 is part of the unsettled correct score market. It's an impossible result, but the final result will never be known, so all bets must be voided.

Mar 31, 2015 -- 12:19AM, DirkDiggler wrote:

rocknmoll - I don`t know about BF t&c`s but I know one thing, if anybody that layed 0-0 HT or FT doesn`t get paid, That's not right, if there's been a goal then that's that irrespective of any abandonment.

Only bet that would be paid out would be over 0.5 here

Cant see anything else being paid out, No HT markets would be paid out since match up to HT wasnt completed, so laying 0-0HT or laying the draw HT, would all be subject tot the 3-day rule

Dirk if you read the post correctly we agree but badly outnumbered. Now I know how Custer felt at Little Big Horn

Only bet that would be paid out would be over 0.5 here

Cant see anything else being paid out, No HT markets would be paid out since match up to HT wasnt completed, so laying 0-0HT or laying the draw HT, would all be subject tot the 3-day rule


Really glad I missed this is all I can say. It's harsh on HT 0-0 layers who have already won, T and C's be damned.

Dirk if you read the post correctly we agree but badly outnumbered. Now I know how Custer felt at Little Big Horn Sad


I was agreeing with you mac, I meant it's not right folks aren't getting paid on bets they've won. Are you bothering with the 1AM games?

Still £8 available on Rubio Nu 0-0 at 1000 if anyone interested.

It's harsh on HT 0-0 layers

And FT layers obv.

only if you give me something to bet mate, I`ve no opinion on the games, you watch all the time and know all the teams well. What u think?

I knew that I heard gun shots during the match. Taken from Argentinian website match report, which I translated from Spanish:

A clash between supporters of the Viaduct and police equipment made it impossible to continue the match, the shark leading 1-0.

The hooligans again take center stage in a journey of Argentine football, marked by games played without an audience. This time, a confrontation with police outside the stadium in Sarandi Ariel Penel forcing the referee to suspend the match between Arsenal and Aldosivi at 30 minutes the first time.

In football, the shark had got the advantage on 22 minutes. A long ball in the attack fought, won and held the Colombian Roger Martinez. The front waited and made ​​space for entry to the left of Diego Lagos , who defined and managed to cross the viaduct 1-0.

However, the half-hour mark the shots began to be heard repeatedly and the public in the stands began rioting to stop game actions. Referee Chief Operating consulted, who offered no guarantees to continue the game after 10 minutes of waiting. It remains to know the date for rescheduling the meeting.

I posted a link above to a video but it got lost in everything else.

https://twitter.com/lautarosalucho/status/582655807650701312

A copper is in hospital from another report I read.

Dirk where art thou? Fast approaching kick offs. Any strong opinions?

Cheers darlo, sad state of affairs.

I'm just thinking take a look at Tigre game they look at bit more solid then the home favs in the other game, only lost 1 of last 6 to top of the league team. With the lower teams especially I don't usually have a bet until i've watched for a while, might luck into a goalsy game, though neither match looks promising on that front.

Risked a bit on ovs Tigre.

Cheers. What about Argentinas Juniors match?

I started another thread best to go there.

Ok.

I recall this has happened a few times in All Boys games recently, such as in 2013 vs Velez. I've been on the wrong end of both. Some people will be delighted but don't count your chickens yet, these games have been rescheduled within 3 days before (albeit only a small chance it will).

If someone or a group at a game in Argentina put thousands on 0-0 ht or ft, and a goal goes in, they could effectively call the game off themselves. This happened v soon after the goal. But it's probably coincidence. Lesson learned anyway.

FLASHBACK http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/29960497/velez-vs...

just got in - exciting stuff I missed while at work.  I had a draw treble finishing up on this game.  So a bit gutted but also satisfied to get 11x-stake back rather than 35x.        Honestly, Arsenal are my Argie team - and they've been utter garbage since the restart of the season (or new season, whatever it is) and those who backed for an Arsenal win have been done the greatest of favours by the abandonment.

SILVINIACO-CONTI has cracked it.

This has been happening for years with riots and the electricity to the floodlights being switched off to get games abandoned.

This was seen a few times in English Premiership games a few years ago.

i belive that also. very confident of it.   Utter piece of pi$$ for some geezer who's in charge of a few heavies to cause the  trouble neccessary for an abandonmet.

I JUST GOT PAID YOU MUST HAVE TOO. i'm ok with that.

I laid 0-0 htime mine was voided ^^^ what did u punt?

It`s immoral and nothing short of criminal that anybody who layed 0-0 didn`t get paid. I don`t care what BF`s interpretation of the Rules are, anybody with half a brain cell would agree that the result regarding 0-0 and over 0.5 had been determined. It`s an absolute disgrace if this is the case and personally I wouldn`t accept it. Whoever drew up their insane Rules is obviously some fresh faced University student who knows absolutely nothing about logic let alone betting. I bet Arsenal to win and my bet was void and rightly so, but if these guys don`t get paid I`ll be bombarding BF with complaints and every fair minded punter should do the same. Any seasoned punter who bet 0-0 and got their money back must be scratching their head in amazement and pissing themselves laughing. BF are making a complete fool of themselves. htf can a 0-1 scoreline on a 0-0 lay not be determined? Oh silly me, the ref might chop off the first goal later in the 2nd half and take the score back to 0-0. If this is really happening regularly BF punters need to start a petition and eradicate this fraudulent act. I`m sure that fair minded backers and layers alike and everyone with the slightest knowledge of gambling would agree that this should not be happening. If Bookmakers acted in a similar manner, which thankfully they don`t, they would have their license withdrawn.

Agree tmm - stupid rule that they at least cannot settle part of the markets which are winners.

Been stung a few times and never again on S America markets

howdi I did a draw treble so really I just got the double (the 11x referred to above), not paid on this race as such.  Bit misleading saying that it was.

but glad to get any payout pronto rather than waiting 3 days

themightymac
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muppet I`ll buy your bet from you if you like. Excited


I should have sold you this... It just sums up my luck, do you think if it had been still 0 0 A 42 minss that the game would have been aband !

I had plans to lay the ht 0 0  and was waiting for it to return to my account and theni was doing the 00 lay ht in the cerro porteno match.. Some load of d icky..

By the way did the people who layed under 0.5goals in the ht and ft markets have their money reversed ?

Agree with Westender that the situation is a shame. It happens just enough to keep us betting on it and BF running markets on it, but not enough to stop us it seems. This could be the one that keeps some of us clear of these games. Woukd like to see a piece of research on abandonments across the leagues (non weather), the score at the time, the teams involved etc. One for the Easter break perhaps...