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CLYDEBANK29
16 Nov 14 14:33
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A game is approaching the dying seconds of the game (it happens to be 0-0, but obviously this should have no bearing).  In the last second the referee awards a penalty.  The player takes the penalty, the keeper saves it and the rebound is scored.  The referee disallows the goal stating that there was only time for the penalty to be taken.  Is the referee right?

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By:
themover
When: 16 Nov 14 14:34
doubt the time-keeping was that accurate. Most of the time they just make it up
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Nov 14 14:35
It happened today to my son's team.
By:
the_don
When: 16 Nov 14 14:39
Usually refs won't blow for full time if the ball is in either 18 yard box. Whether this is an actual rule or not though I couldn't tell you.
By:
kenilworth
When: 16 Nov 14 15:42
The referee was correct.
By:
OldGold
When: 16 Nov 14 15:44
As if the ref was checking his watch in those couple of secondsCrazy
By:
Clouseau
When: 16 Nov 14 15:54
In the last second the referee awards a penalty.

You have answered your own question.

Referee was right.
By:
Raluca
When: 16 Nov 14 16:09
The referee was right, if he was coming from Niva Ternopil V FK Ternopil
Laugh
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 16 Nov 14 16:18
I agree with kenilworth. Shocked
By:
what do i do now?
When: 16 Nov 14 16:25
I didn't know Clive Thomas was still refereeing. The ****.
By:
stu
When: 16 Nov 14 16:27
Prob technically right, but did he blow the whistle after the pen was saved (before ball went in goal)?

Plus, as above, they make up time amounts, even in the Premier League, off the top of their heads - or the other end in many cases.

6 yellows, 3 injuries - oh that's 1 added minute...Cry
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 16 Nov 14 16:29
Referee's are meant to let the attack finish in the last third before blowing, it wasn't a penalty shootout, goal should have stood.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 16 Nov 14 16:36
That sounds dubious, SH.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 16 Nov 14 16:49
Having had a quick perusal of the laws of the game, I'm even more doubtful.
By:
NorwichRob
When: 16 Nov 14 17:01
Stu spot on - did the ref blow for full time? If not the goal should stand.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 16 Nov 14 17:04
Fair point re final whistle, but I couldn't find any provision for it in the rules. I was skimming so may have missed it.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/log2013en_neutral.pdf
By:
donny osmond
When: 16 Nov 14 17:09
time is added on for a pelanty to be taken, it becomes the same as a pelanty in a shootout once time is up



btw it annoys me that several refs add on time for a free kick to be taken, when time is up
By:
Marius5a
When: 16 Nov 14 17:58
I was a referee in the past, not for long, but I had to take an exam, and for that exam we had to learn all the rules from a FIFA book, so that was something official. I might be wrong cause it's been 7 years since then, but I think a referee shouldn't stop dangerous attacks. Blowing the next second after a the GK saved the penalty was wrong in my opinion, as he must've waited for the ''attack'' to settle. Maybe he was not badly intended but only in a hury to end the match not thinking that a goal could be scored even after a save from the gk.
Anyway, if he did blew for FT before the ball got into the net, then that's that, the goal can not be awarded.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 16 Nov 14 18:27
but I think a referee shouldn't stop dangerous attacks. Blowing the next second after a the GK saved the penalty was wrong in my opinion, as he must've waited for the ''attack'' to settle.


that's what I said earlier, that is the rule
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 16 Nov 14 18:37
Should be easy to point out the rule if that's the case, SH.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/log2013en_neutral.pdf
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 16 Nov 14 18:44
When a penalty kick is taken during the normal course of play, or time has
been extended at half-time or full time to allow a penalty kick to be taken or
retaken, a goal is awarded if, before passing between the goalposts and under
the crossbar:
• the ball touches either or both of the goalposts and/or the crossbar and/or
the goalkeeper


The referee decides when a penalty kick has been completed.
By:
Marius5a
When: 16 Nov 14 19:23
Ok, but when a penalty is completed it doesn't mean the game should also end. After the penalty there was still a dangerous attack going on with the ball in the box, so the ref should have waited.
By:
Marius5a
When: 16 Nov 14 19:25
Btw, that's exactly the book I was talking about, Mikael.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Nov 14 10:53
I'm still none the wiser.  Possible conclusion seems to be the referee is right whatever he decides to do.  As usualLaugh

My son's team conceded the penalty so at least he was happy.
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Nov 14 11:15
its a shame for the kids that there is no right answer


i think the thing to do in future is to ask the ref if time is up, or how much time remains,and take it from there.

if he says there is only time for the kick to be taken then the defenders can wander off for a well earned beer !!!

i have to say i always thought play ended with the penalty kick, as in a shootout, but obviously the ref can play on as he sees fit
By:
Clouseau
When: 17 Nov 14 11:26
There is a right answer but as pointed out above it depends when, assuming he had a whistle, the referee blew for full time.

Marius5a and sh have been invited to peruse the laws of the game and find this law about waiting for attacks to "settle".

It often happens in practice purely to try to avoid controversy but there is no law as such.
By:
kenilworth
When: 17 Nov 14 16:07
Penalty in the last seconds, the referee
allows the pen to be taken, if converted
goal is awarded and full time called, but
only one shot allowed, i.e. no follow ups
etc.,
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