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Not good enough to play with Madrid.....but a star player with United......
A bit like Ozil who is a bag of Shiite not being up to playing with them but a top signing at Arsenal.....much the same as Sanchez from Barcelona.....
Basically La Liga is where the stars are.....and when some of them fail to perform or are not as good as they thought originally.....then its off to the heap of Shiite premiership with them....while the one or two genuinely world class playes like Suarez and Bale go the other way.....
The career of Fabregas sums up European soccer.....at first they thought he was too good for the premiership.....but when they foind out he was a dud.....give Chelsea a ring there quick.....
A bit like Ozil who is a bag of Shiite not being up to playing with them but a top signing at Arsenal.....much the same as Sanchez from Barcelona.....
Basically La Liga is where the stars are.....and when some of them fail to perform or are not as good as they thought originally.....then its off to the heap of Shiite premiership with them....while the one or two genuinely world class playes like Suarez and Bale go the other way.....
The career of Fabregas sums up European soccer.....at first they thought he was too good for the premiership.....but when they foind out he was a dud.....give Chelsea a ring there quick.....
correct walnuts and you have deluded souls like woy saying english youngsters not getting a game should go abroad must mean french,belgum 2nd division teams does he, 
only two teams in spain and one other, at the moment the designated one other is atletico Madrid, no depth to the league. epl is miles better
fabregas happy to be back in London and the epl, he was press-ganged into joining barca, didn't want to go there at all
fabregas happy to be back in London and the epl, he was press-ganged into joining barca, didn't want to go there at all
Balague said 8.5 million euro's per year was Di Maria's deal which is 130k per week. Probably an increase on what he was on at Madrid. PSG wouldn't pay the asking price so it's irrelevant.
more than 2 + 1 GAZO
epl has strength in depth. the bottom sides can beat the top sides here. in spain barca and rm win nearly every single game without breaking sweat, esp at home. too easy
epl has strength in depth. the bottom sides can beat the top sides here. in spain barca and rm win nearly every single game without breaking sweat, esp at home. too easy
That's because our top teams our rubbish, as proved by their UCL performances.
spain won both european trophys last season and had both teams in the champions league final,sounds like a pretty strong league
nah, it's just a minor hiccup. we still have the best league and we'll be back dominating the cl. normal service will resume shortly 
Hamsterdam, you forget PSG couldnt pay that kind of sum when their FAIR PLAY RULES....
Utd can afford 3 more signings of the same amount due to their turnover...
With Barca not being able to buy and BAYERN AND REAL squads complete it gives utd hope that over the next 2 windows they can attract that kinda player
Utd can afford 3 more signings of the same amount due to their turnover...
With Barca not being able to buy and BAYERN AND REAL squads complete it gives utd hope that over the next 2 windows they can attract that kinda player
The amount of money involved with these clubs nowadays virtually makes the fee irrelevant. 60 million, 50, 40 it's not really that important (sounds crazy to say). All that matters is the quality of the player the team is getting.
I would say Di Maria is the first top quality signing they will have made in many years. Maybe if they get one others will follow rather than the second or third tier player they usually sign.
Shame for Di Maria is gonna be surrounded by a very average group of players at the moment.
I would say Di Maria is the first top quality signing they will have made in many years. Maybe if they get one others will follow rather than the second or third tier player they usually sign.
Shame for Di Maria is gonna be surrounded by a very average group of players at the moment.
As many have said, it seems just a weird area of the team to prioritise. Mata, Rooney and Van Persie as a front three is one of the few plus points of the team. Di Maria might be a class act, but it won't matter if the defence and midfield behind him are so sub standard.
People seem unaware that Di Maria played his best football by some distance as part of a midfield 3 last season.
Not one with Fletcher and Cleverley either side of him. 
left side of 3 without the ball, with no protection from onaldo, with the ball....freedom to get ahead of Alonso and Khedira.
MOTM in CL final from there and at least one if not more of the Classicos.
MOTM in CL final from there and at least one if not more of the Classicos.
tbf no one looks good alongside Fletch and Clev. 8 days to go. Hold onto your hats.
So what's your best XI with him in the side iyo?
Very good question...I don't know. It might be clearer when transfer window shuts.
So what's your best XI with him in the side iyo?
subs bench:di maria
pmsl woudnt give 10 million
subs bench:di maria
pmsl
woudnt give 10 million
Rooney RVP Janujaz
Di Maria Carrick Herrera
is one option, at heart LVG is a 4 - 3 - 3 man.
Di Maria Carrick Herrera
is one option, at heart LVG is a 4 - 3 - 3 man.
Bin the 3-5-2 that's for sure. Don't bother with Van Persie he's been rubbish for ages now.
Jacuzzi made 3 assists last season.
He looks a talent but because man u's sad demise he has been thrown into the limelight when clearly he isnt up to it.
He looks a talent but because man u's sad demise he has been thrown into the limelight when clearly he isnt up to it.
Loads of mancs were saying he was better than Sterling.
Deluded.
Deluded.
i actually rate januzaj
he is a winger fook knows what his gaffer wanted from him today when he came on in that position.
quick service so he can get at his opponent on the flank is the ticket with him.
trouble with utd the build up play is painfully slow, never seen the like of it for years!
he is a winger fook knows what his gaffer wanted from him today when he came on in that position.
quick service so he can get at his opponent on the flank is the ticket with him.
trouble with utd the build up play is painfully slow, never seen the like of it for years!
he was a winger, but today he in the middle se
VG doesnt have a clue about the epl, you cannot gain width by make wingers play as full backs.
VG doesnt have a clue about the epl, you cannot gain width by make wingers play as full backs.
that's what i was alluding too
januzaj just wants the ball early and get at players on the flank.
the tempo has been so un utd like since fergie left.
you can have good players up the pitch but when the service is so slow, its easier for the opposition to stop them.
januzaj just wants the ball early and get at players on the flank.
the tempo has been so un utd like since fergie left.
you can have good players up the pitch but when the service is so slow, its easier for the opposition to stop them.
very true.
Man u have been built on high tempo pressure, man u's strength was their ability to press the opposition out of it, so it didnt come down to ability, that is why fergie was the best manager that ever lived.
It doesnt matter how good you are when you are surrounded.
Van Ghoul is fooked imo.
Man u have been built on high tempo pressure, man u's strength was their ability to press the opposition out of it, so it didnt come down to ability, that is why fergie was the best manager that ever lived.
It doesnt matter how good you are when you are surrounded.
Van Ghoul is fooked imo.
surely you dont pay that much for a winger - he must play in the middle ?
need a Henderson
Henderson is a prime example of why academy kids need to work harder,, even very average players can make the grade...
Henderson is a prime example of why academy kids need to work harder,, even very average players can make the grade...
i don't think many of us would be rushing to swap you for fletcher/cleverley or carrick (on the odd few matches each season he is actually fit to play!) 
Regardless of the fee, Di Maria was a very good player for Real Madrid. It remains to be seen how he adapts to playing in the most competitive league in the world, & in a team struggling to find it's mojo ever since Fergie retired. It's all very well & good playing in a top side surrounded by great players, but United's demise has been staggering to say the least. So unless the combined efforts of LVG, Di Maria, & others, can get United back on their perch again after spending over £260 million over the past 3 years, then you'll have a club that has splashed out over a quarter of a billion pounds in a very short space of time & actually made their team worse.....Now that really does take some doing.
on his day a very good player but doesnt have many good days,doesnt come across as the type of player to help you out of a crisis
Most competitive lg in the world comment yet again,
Don`t know why the price is a problem as Adidas gave manu £750m to re-shape the league to their satisfaction ( adidas don't seem to enjoy the lack of revenue when they are halfway down the league).
Ferguson built a great team, then overpaid on transfers to keep them clear, then failed to replace many players toward the end of his time.
Every club that receives a call about one of their contracted players, is all too aware of the urgency.
Don`t know why the price is a problem as Adidas gave manu £750m to re-shape the league to their satisfaction ( adidas don't seem to enjoy the lack of revenue when they are halfway down the league).
Ferguson built a great team, then overpaid on transfers to keep them clear, then failed to replace many players toward the end of his time.
Every club that receives a call about one of their contracted players, is all too aware of the urgency.
sold Ronaldo to Real Madrid for £80 million and bought Di Maria with the money
Most competitive lg in the world comment yet again
There's not many leagues in the world where a club near the bottom (Sunderland) can go to the homes of 2 clubs fighting it out for the title (Chelsea & City) & collect 4 points.
Teams like Real Madrid can win most of their games in La Liga by playing in 2nd or 3rd gear. Di Maria will get no such luxury in the PL.
There's not many leagues in the world where a club near the bottom (Sunderland) can go to the homes of 2 clubs fighting it out for the title (Chelsea & City) & collect 4 points.
Teams like Real Madrid can win most of their games in La Liga by playing in 2nd or 3rd gear. Di Maria will get no such luxury in the PL.
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Thanks...that'll do lads Laugh I dunno I was just worried he smacked of complete duck egg...
I'm getting old...convinced these Latino mincers will be a disaster etc then forget the leagues full of them now Laugh
A Malky Mackayism if I've ever seen one.
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Thanks...that'll do lads Laugh I dunno I was just worried he smacked of complete duck egg...
I'm getting old...convinced these Latino mincers will be a disaster etc then forget the leagues full of them now Laugh
A Malky Mackayism if I've ever seen one.
If you want to compare the odd result then fair enough, Utd being hammered by Ath Bilbao over 2 legs in Europa cup after suffering an early CL exit, Chelsea and ManC have also had early exits in recent years.
Would be interested to see the "proper" balance sheets of the PL clubs in comparison to those in the Bundesliga, compare admission prices while we are at it.
Could also remove from each league the players from overseas and see what you are left with, remember when the PL began Spain had 58% foreign players and set about re-dressing that huge error, and noticeable that the wage structure is not far off the Bundesliga.
Too many complications in this "most competitive league" nonsense, as most fans can not be @rced with P+L, would rather see clubs in the later stages of the CL even if it means the owner signing another £1b cheque to wipe a couple of years debt.
Would be interested to see the "proper" balance sheets of the PL clubs in comparison to those in the Bundesliga, compare admission prices while we are at it.
Could also remove from each league the players from overseas and see what you are left with, remember when the PL began Spain had 58% foreign players and set about re-dressing that huge error, and noticeable that the wage structure is not far off the Bundesliga.
Too many complications in this "most competitive league" nonsense, as most fans can not be @rced with P+L, would rather see clubs in the later stages of the CL even if it means the owner signing another £1b cheque to wipe a couple of years debt.
di maria might be the 1st good signing and others might follow and we,ll see what he,s like someone said,
we no exactly what he,s like he,ll be on his bike,the situation you describe has just happened to him at madrid and he was told he wouldnt be a starter so he legged it
we no exactly what he,s like he,ll be on his bike,the situation you describe has just happened to him at madrid and he was told he wouldnt be a starter so he legged it
to put it in its simplest terms,he,s just left a club where he wont get a game to a club where allegedly he,ll be utds top man, so after spending 250 mill if utd draw madrid they cant compete
Real will have doubled their money on Di Maria..good work if you can get it 
Do they have any regard for FFP in Manchester?
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Wage bill only allowed to increase by £4m p.a. under FFP, iirc.
In the nicest possible way you both need to reread the FFP rules/ regulations, and then look at Utd's income and revenue streams and profit/ loss. They could buy 3/4 more top players on high wages and not even be close to the FFP limits.
"the restriction only applies to the income from TV money. If clubs boost their income through extra sponsorship deals or matchday income, they can spend that on wages too."
Utd have increased there income through some truly massive sponsorship deals in the last 12 months. Even if FFP was an issue for Utd that they are not in Europe this season may actually work in their future favour. Liverpool's absence last season helped them pass the first FFP monitoring period, had they played in in Europe last season they would have failed by a similar margin as City, and would almost certainly have experienced the same consequences.
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Wage bill only allowed to increase by £4m p.a. under FFP, iirc.
In the nicest possible way you both need to reread the FFP rules/ regulations, and then look at Utd's income and revenue streams and profit/ loss. They could buy 3/4 more top players on high wages and not even be close to the FFP limits.
"the restriction only applies to the income from TV money. If clubs boost their income through extra sponsorship deals or matchday income, they can spend that on wages too."
Utd have increased there income through some truly massive sponsorship deals in the last 12 months. Even if FFP was an issue for Utd that they are not in Europe this season may actually work in their future favour. Liverpool's absence last season helped them pass the first FFP monitoring period, had they played in in Europe last season they would have failed by a similar margin as City, and would almost certainly have experienced the same consequences.
£190k p.w Di Maria, Rooney £300k p.w, Shaw, Herrera, RVP, Rojo all £100k + p.w 
And now last 5 transfer windows Man Utd net spend more than any other team in the world
Still a long way short of having the best side in the league let alone Europe.
And now last 5 transfer windows Man Utd net spend more than any other team in the world
Still a long way short of having the best side in the league let alone Europe.
Aug 24, 2014 -- 7:37PM, easyrider69 wrote:
Hamsterdam, you forget PSG couldnt pay that kind of sum when their FAIR PLAY RULES....Utd can afford 3 more signings of the same amount due to their turnover...With Barca not being able to buy and BAYERN AND REAL squads complete it gives utd hope that over the next 2 windows they can attract that kinda player
This is actually the issue with financial fair play that most people don't seem to realise. There's people in here moaning about FFP.
If FFP had been enforced 10 years ago, Man Utd would win every title forever more. Man Utd are making around £90m more per year in revenue than the next tier of clubs in England, and that's before the new Adidas kit deal is taken into account which likely puts that figure over £100m more. That's £100m more on players and wages they can afford per year.
If it wasn't for the fact that Chelsea and Man City have already stockpiled a lot of top talent, and managed to artificially inflate their revenues to levels they wouldn't have otherwise been able to achieve due to success on the pitch as a result of signing the players they have, Man Utd would have no competition whatsoever.
interestin 2 c how di maria get on in the epl. is he that great or just a stand out in a sh1te la liga with only 3 teams + bilbao.
Nearly every decent player from La Liga has been a success in the Premier League in recent years.
It's also about time Man Utd went out and just bought a world class player. I would way rather pay £60m for a world class player, than buy 2-3 average ones for £15m-30m. A trap Man Utd have fallen into in recent years.
It's also about time Man Utd went out and just bought a world class player. I would way rather pay £60m for a world class player, than buy 2-3 average ones for £15m-30m. A trap Man Utd have fallen into in recent years.
wot about herrera he is from spain i think? and he is average.
he played 2 games? yes i suppose he needs a few games more but i dont c him making a big difference.
I cant understand everyone going on about united paying over the odds. real madrid have been doing that since jesus was a boy and it hasn't done them any harm has it? paying over the odds is always worthwhile for top class players. all that matters is they win matches for you, get you qualified for the cl and win trophies.
the really bad buys are when you waste money on substandard players.
united are a giant club, they should be paying big money on top class players just like real madrid, barcelona, chelsea and man city do. it hasn't done those clubs any harm.
I hope united keep buying world class players for big money.
the really bad buys are when you waste money on substandard players.
united are a giant club, they should be paying big money on top class players just like real madrid, barcelona, chelsea and man city do. it hasn't done those clubs any harm.
I hope united keep buying world class players for big money.
bayern munich dont buy big they play as a team. much more important than individual players.
Aug 26, 2014 -- 1:05PM, YOMOMMA wrote:
he played 2 games? yes i suppose he needs a few games more but i dont c him making a big difference.
He didn't play at the weekend. He got injured in training last week. Out for a few weeks.
mid-table club with a big mortgage going on a spending spree
Aug 26, 2014 -- 1:07PM, YOMOMMA wrote:
bayern munich dont buy big they play as a team. much more important than individual players.
Bayern have tended to get good value for their players, but they have bought a lot of big players.
Martinez £35m
Gotze £32.5m
Neuer £24m
Thiago £22m
Ribery £22m
Robben £21m
They paid like £26m for Gomez. They got good value for a lot of players, but they are willing to spend big. They are about to pay £24m allegedly for Benatia too.
This doesn't even take into account deals like Lewandowski that would have cost big money, but the selling club refused to sell to them.
It's easier to get good deals for players when no team is on the same financial level as you in Germany, thus all the majority of the top talent in Germany wants to come to you.
those figures arent near the 60 70 80m the spanish 2 like 2 pay.
Because the Spanish big two are constantly in competition with each other, and are also often buying players who the selling club don't really want to sell, thus you have to pay big money.
Bayern activate a lot of release clauses in their deals.
Bayern activate a lot of release clauses in their deals.
The Bundesliga is a Bayern Munich monopoly safely protected under UEFA's FFP
In La Liga Real Madrid and Barcelona produce many players from their academies. Real sell theirs generally and use the funds to help buy "Galactios", Barcelona tend to have more ending up in the first team.
The EPL produces very few top class players through the academies and hence it has to spend big to get players in. City's academy may change that in years to come. It wasn't long ago that La Liga consisted of over 50% foreign players.
In La Liga Real Madrid and Barcelona produce many players from their academies. Real sell theirs generally and use the funds to help buy "Galactios", Barcelona tend to have more ending up in the first team.
The EPL produces very few top class players through the academies and hence it has to spend big to get players in. City's academy may change that in years to come. It wasn't long ago that La Liga consisted of over 50% foreign players.
Plus it's clear the top, top talent only really wants to play for Barcelona in Real Madrid in recent years. They have often bought players that wouldn't even go to Bayern.
Bayern have an advantage at youth level. Because they are the only giant club in Germany, thus all the talent in Germany naturally vacuums up to Bayern with very little competition for said players.
Spain's talent not only is their competition between Barcelona and Real Madrid, but in recent years you've had English clubs trying to muscle in on some of their talent. And they tend to be a lot more open to moving abroad as the lower Spanish clubs are less financially stable than the lower German clubs.
Bayern have an advantage at youth level. Because they are the only giant club in Germany, thus all the talent in Germany naturally vacuums up to Bayern with very little competition for said players.
Spain's talent not only is their competition between Barcelona and Real Madrid, but in recent years you've had English clubs trying to muscle in on some of their talent. And they tend to be a lot more open to moving abroad as the lower Spanish clubs are less financially stable than the lower German clubs.
it's a myth that bayern munich don't spend big, don't know where that nonsense comes from. they spend plenty big and always have.
The Glaziers are to blame! Haven't kept Man United up with the Real, Barca, Bayern (or even City and Chelsea!). Slipped a long way down the pecking order and will need more than Juan Mata and Angel Di Maria to sort the mess out
Even this window they've made mistakes. These players should have been brought in a month ago. Allegedly they are going to sign 2 more players. So they will have signed 4 players after the season started. They've already dropped 5 points, could have done with those players in the first two matches.
di maria is a good player, but I feel utd have paid about 25m too much, saying that though Liverpool bought andy carroll for 35m, which was 32m too much
y is di maria going to a team going nowhere in man utd wouldnt he be better off at psg if he wanted to leave real madrid. man utd wont win nething for at least 3 seasons bar maybe the capital one cup.
Panic buy the club is in turmoil after the fall of the dictator.
they should also buy vidal,blind,depay and will definately make top 4
Aug 26, 2014 -- 3:34PM, YOMOMMA wrote:
y is di maria going to a team going nowhere in man utd wouldnt he be better off at psg if he wanted to leave real madrid. man utd wont win nething for at least 3 seasons bar maybe the capital one cup.
UEFA FFP has scuppered City and PSG
might have misunderstood him but in various formations put up by neville last night to include di maria he seemed to suggest that only 1 of rooney, rvp would play,
if that was the case maria real price would be a 100 million because you,d have a 30 million plus player out of the side,bit like ozil costing 42 mill to replace arsenals so called best player at the time wiltshire
if that was the case maria real price would be a 100 million because you,d have a 30 million plus player out of the side,bit like ozil costing 42 mill to replace arsenals so called best player at the time wiltshire
Another example of a player signing for money, they don't give a damn about champions league football. Players will sign for anyone if the money is right, take falcahowcanimakethemostmoney. Clueless media, more money or champions league football, let me think, well another 20k a week would be nice, but I'd miss the champions league, especially the music, despite finishing 3rd in the league. Sod the extra money, you can't put a price on hearing that champions league music.
To work out why it's going wrong for United, you have to go back to the time when it all went right. In the early 90's Fergie's team started to take shape, whilst Liverpool's decline set in after they employed Souness as manager. Add to that the fact that a group of talented youngsters were all coming the ranks at the same time at Old Trafford, & you had yourself a perfect storm. That perfect storm has now gone into reverse. Fergie has now gone, other clubs are putting together very good sides, & there is nothing outstanding coming from United's academy. Ferguson left a legacy insofar that the club is now a financial giant & can afford to throw money at the problem. However, they are now competing with mega-rich clubs who can offer just as much, if not more, than United. For nearly 2 decades Manchester United were the blueprint as to how a proper football club should be run. They now come across as a club that's lost its identity & are using money as a short-cut to getting back on top.
Di Maria: "I am absolutely delighted to be joining. United is the only club I would have left Real Madrid for."
WALOFS. As if he'd have gone to United if Chelsea, City, Bayern, PSG etc wanted to pay that sort of money for him.
Roughly translates as 'United were the only club in for me and i had no other option apart from the Madrid bench'
WALOFS. As if he'd have gone to United if Chelsea, City, Bayern, PSG etc wanted to pay that sort of money for him.
Roughly translates as 'United were the only club in for me and i had no other option apart from the Madrid bench'
PSG agreed a fee of €65m a couple of weeks ago, he was negotiating personal terms before they pulled out because it would have taken them over the FFP threshold or whatever you'd called it.
Sharp minded Ed saw the move collapse, realized the player had less than 12 months of his contract to run and with Machiavellian cunning negotiated Real down to a mere €75m.
At least he's managed to write a decent script for Di Maria that the suckers can lap up. "Yay, I don't care about defending the CL with Madrid I'm looking forward to adding the Carling Cup to my medal collection as well as the open top bus parade in May to celebrate Liverpool not winning the league. And the fact that Utd were the only club willing to pay the fee and my wage demands is completely immaterial as I've been a fan since the 80's. Neil Webb was my first footballing hero y'know."
Sharp minded Ed saw the move collapse, realized the player had less than 12 months of his contract to run and with Machiavellian cunning negotiated Real down to a mere €75m.
At least he's managed to write a decent script for Di Maria that the suckers can lap up. "Yay, I don't care about defending the CL with Madrid I'm looking forward to adding the Carling Cup to my medal collection as well as the open top bus parade in May to celebrate Liverpool not winning the league. And the fact that Utd were the only club willing to pay the fee and my wage demands is completely immaterial as I've been a fan since the 80's. Neil Webb was my first footballing hero y'know."
Aug 26, 2014 -- 7:52PM, Ozymandius wrote:
Scousers seething again on here
Di Maria was offered to Citeh and they turned him down. PDG pulled out due to the price.
Crafty Ed can spot a bargain when he sees one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZUJ042Ynfc
Crafty Ed can spot a bargain when he sees one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZUJ042Ynfc
He's a cross between Ben Turpin and George for by, obviously after a holiday. Good player though, but not great
I don't understand something (nothing new there )
Man utd fans claim they have all these £100's of millions for players and wages due to being so massive. Then I hear/read the man utd board had to sell of shares to pay off some debts and the debt continues to rise and rise.
What is the real score regarding debts etc?
)Man utd fans claim they have all these £100's of millions for players and wages due to being so massive. Then I hear/read the man utd board had to sell of shares to pay off some debts and the debt continues to rise and rise.
What is the real score regarding debts etc?
The Glazer debt for a club that had no borrowings before the takeover, is still about £342m and finance costs were another £53m, reducing pre-tax profits to £22m. United’s cash reserves – £34m – would still be the envy of most other clubs but are shrunk from the £151m in the vaults in 2009. Ronaldo’s £80m sale, according to investment analyst and United supporter Andy Green, was spent paying off the Glazer debt.
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