Jul 14, 2014 -- 8:28PM, p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y wrote:
DIEGO SCORED 170 GOALS IN EUROPE...............WON 1 EUFA CUP AND TWO SERIA A'S..............so by that brilliant logic John O Shea is right up there as one of the best ever and better than Maradona
But why was Maradona not able to win more if he can do things single handed?
Jul 14, 2014 -- 8:32PM, p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y wrote:
yawn, JamDav putting the willy off himself looking at his Lional Messi posters, has this ever happened before
Quality come back as expected.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 8:36PM, p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y wrote:
i couldn't be bothered making a balanced reply to one of the most biased obsessed posters on this forum
Good for you. Now move on.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 8:38PM, Velasquez wrote:
Surely the highlight reels speak for Maradona? Some of the things he did defy belief. Messi is the ultimate team player, but let's face it, he's always been surrounded by the best team mates he could have, and he's part of a system that suits him ideally. Lately, he's been hovering about the penalty area and his aim is to get a little space, cut in, and have a shot with his left foot. So he's been quite limited lately - by his standards anyway.Maradona was like a feckin' storm on the pitch - force of nature. If both players are at 100% fitness, I'd take Maradona - the best ever...better than Pele, Cruyff, Di Stefano...and Messi.
Messi at 27 has more goals and more competitive goals for Argentina than Maradona did in his whole career.
The one thing Maradona has had is better World Cup. Ranking their world cups would be -
1. Maradona 1986
2. Messi 2014
3. Messi 2010
4. Maradona 1982
Maradona was not even considered the best player in the world until 1986 and was rarely considered it after that
Everything points to 1986 being a one off time in Maradonas career when everything came together but people try and make out he played like that his whole career.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 9:52PM, iprefertolay wrote:
Maradona did it on the World Cup stage sadly Messie hasnt.
Messi was Argentinas best player and his performance in this world cup was better than any of Maradona tournament performances other then 1986.
Messi hasnt matched Maradona at World Cup level and Maradona didnt even come close to Messi at club level.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 9:58PM, CheltenhamRoar wrote:
Messi was Argentinas best playerEh no he wasn't,Garay and Mascherano were much better.
No they werent. Not even close.
Messi MOTM in four of the seven games. Created more chances that anyone else at the tournament, dribbled more than anyone else and scored four goals.
Garay and Masch looked good when Sabella started playing a more defensive formation as they were looking terrible at back.
The result was a stronger defence but far less support up to Messi.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 9:55PM, Wesdag wrote:
This is what Gary Lineker had to say about Maradona recently:"When I was at Barcelona, I played with Maradona for a 'Rest of the World' team at Wembley in 1988 as part of the Football League's centenary celebrations and every other player was in awe of him. Even great players like Zico and Michel Platini - their jaws dropped when he walked into our dressing room. We went out for the warm-up and he got a ball and juggled it all the way to the halfway line, then booted it about 50 yards in the air and when it came straight down booted it again. He did it about 12 times and never had to do anything but walk. I remember telling the other Barca players when I went back to Spain and we all tried it. The best anybody did was three, with a massive sprint at the end."
I am sure I have heard him tell that same story about Gazza.
Without the Zico, Platini etc.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 10:11PM, deliris wrote:
messi is great ... maradona is the greatest. id take that one league title at napoli in that era , over any amount of la liga titles in this era.
By that standard John Robertson at Nottingham Forrest is better than Maradona.
Give me two European Cups at Nottingham Forrest over one league title at Napoli.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 10:20PM, deliris wrote:
who do you think the argentinian people believe is the best between them ?
World Cups etc matter more to them than club football so it makes sense that he is a god to them. He also has a personality that appeals to them more and a history in Argie football.
Of course they prefer Maradona.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 10:48PM, iprefertolay wrote:
Messi hasnt got a world cup winners medal
Maradona hasnt got what Messi has at club level either.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 10:47PM, berto77 wrote:
I'm a big Messi fan but comparisons are hard. Maradona would have had hatfuls in this era where defending is basically outlawed.I also think Messi's reputation might be enhanced by succeeding at another club/league as well as all conquering Barca.
I watched all the Argentina World Cup games from 1986 and the games are far more open and players get much more space than now.
The games are more open less tactical. Standard of defending isnt any better back then.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 10:56PM, berto77 wrote:
More pulling, intimidation and thuggery in the 80s. Plus fewer cards to inhibit defenders.I'm not saying it makes him better than Messi as I agree the club records are incredible. I just think comparisons are so difficult.
More thuggery then, better more organised defences now. It evens up.
Plenty of players were hammering in goals in the 60s/70s/80s.
Jul 14, 2014 -- 11:22PM, paddy1 wrote:
messi couldnt match george best ability wise imo
Your wrong but go for it.
Jul 15, 2014 -- 12:48PM, Platini wrote:
40 million Argentinians think you're talking p1shDiego is their No.1 by a d....i....s....t...a...n...c...e
if i want an opinion on a football team/player only a complete fool would ask/listen to a supporter