** España versus Holland **

Holland -3.5, such an obvious bet in retrospect

Bobbin, I'm not even assuming Spain will beat Australia after that performance

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:51PM, super spurs wrote:

NEARLY 22 MILLION MATCHED ON THIS GAME.14 MILLION ON SPAIN.SOME BURNT FINGERS TONIGHT.

only group stages and already lots of burnt fingers ...

Ibrahima Sonko Joined: 03 Jun 07
torres next club ?
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Acrington Stanley?

You beautiful fụcking Dutch people!

well played.

Well true MC, but if they do beat Chile, goal difference may still not come into it.

THAT WAS R APE IF I EVER SAW IT....the whole Dutch team should be arrested immediately

spain got raped by holland

Bergo

great night

earlier today

"Big price on Spain, can't see Holland's defence holding out but as yesterday again overs is HUGE.
Costa to score anytime."

robben is an **** grinning into the camara, whos he laughing at with his gang??
i have no respect for that ****

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:53PM, Bergkamp93 wrote:

THAT WAS R APE IF I EVER SAW IT....the whole Dutch team should be arrested immediately

Taking lessons off Robin van Rapist?

Spain will beat chile but if dutch decide to play naughty then Spain will have very tough time.

Holland gone from 44 to 14 in the outright market that's got to be an overreaction , they were either too big before or too short now

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:54PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

Jun 13, 2014 --  9:53PM, Bergkamp93 wrote:THAT WAS R APE IF I EVER SAW IT....the whole Dutch team should be arrested immediatelyTaking lessons off Robin van Rapist?

Defs

Schillaci, do you *ever* win with your bets?

NEXT STOP FOR TORRES WILL BE STOKE CITY

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:55PM, sickoflayinwinners wrote:

Holland gone from 44 to 14 in the outright market that's got to be an overreaction , they were either too big before or too short now

Their price beforehand reflected it was a tough group to get out of. That result puts them through so I don't think it' an overreaction.

if only the dutch had done this 4 years ago

How has that picture been approved? ^^^

I couldn't dream of taking 14 at this stage having not taken 44 id have to abstain

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:56PM, Thunder_struck wrote:

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:57PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

if only the dutch had done this 4 years ago

Play football or kick lumps out of the opposition?

Final? Kick lumps.
Group match? Play football.

btw who got the first corner in this game?

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:57PM, marychain1 wrote:

How has that picture been approved?  ^^^

Was thinking that Myself, Just How ??? haha...Moderator must have P!SSED HIMSELF laughing, And not 1 fcuk given !!

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:57PM, sickoflayinwinners wrote:

I couldn't dream of taking 14 at this stage having not taken 44 id have to abstain

44s was too big but as I say, was a reflection of the tough group than as their true chance of winning, imho.

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:55PM, LordBobbin wrote:

Schillaci, do you *ever* win with your bets?

im up 1000 for june, was up 2000

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:56PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

Jun 13, 2014 --  9:55PM, sickoflayinwinners wrote:Holland gone from 44 to 14 in the outright market that's got to be an overreaction , they were either too big before or too short nowTheir price beforehand reflected it was a tough group to get out of. That result puts them through so I don't think it' an overreaction.

eactly that

Spain consider booking early flight tickets to return home

International football tournaments are mostly about who builds up the momentum over the course of the tournament. Good sides don't perform. Ordinary teams suddenly look pretty good.     Bit too soon to rave about the Dutch after just one match, but 14 seems pretty sound given what we've seen tonight.   Brazil don't look amazing so far.  The Argies look great on paper, but who knows how they'll really play?

WOW casillas really has had a mare

wd darlo on backing them with the view to trade out, when it gets physical.

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:53PM, cs2007new wrote:

spain got raped by holland

consensual imo

breaking news....free booze ,prugs and women in amstradam ....just for tonight....

I couldn't dream of taking 14 at this stage having not taken 44 id have to abstain

That's stupid logic.  The only thing that should matter is whether it seems like a good bet now. What you thought or didn't think previously is pretty much irrelevant.

Jun 13, 2014 -- 10:00PM, gotia wrote:

breaking news....free booze ,prugs and women in amstradam ....just for tonight....

Jun 13, 2014 -- 9:58PM, schillaci wrote:

Jun 13, 2014 --  9:55PM, LordBobbin wrote:Schillaci, do you *ever* win with your bets?im up 1000 for june, was up 2000

im also up 2000 for the year

not much but its something

Only time I see you, you seem to be complaining about something!

most bettors had a good night i assume...i did....wd bergy.......whats the tip for chilli match .

not at all bobbin, to take 14 now on the strength of one game id have to ask myself why I didn't want 44.and  I doubt  if 14 is value, ultra impressive as they were , spain were dire and may  be past their sell buy date.

not  pocket talking as I had a small bet on Holland(first winning bet  on the tourney so far), I just generally want the rags onside until ive see oth teams play.

True Sick, but it's not like they've been made favourites.  The Netherlands were 44 because they've looked a bit uninspired.  Hard to argue now that they should be 44, so the only real question should be whether 14 still offers value, given we've only seen one match.

could not have been much better really

sick

Spain not going to sleep well

Jun 13, 2014 -- 10:04PM, gotia wrote:

most bettors had a good night i assume...i did....wd bergy.......whats the tip for chilli match .

I think chile win, But don't be surprised if Australia surprise people, they have worked really hard in a new system last few months apparently  !!

Defo a game to watch first few mins before getting involved  :)

I think Gls are unpredicatable too call in chile game

what was over4.5 SP guys?

Janko Tipsarevic @TipsarevicJanko  ·  19m
Holland serving for first set?…

cant see any bet on tonites games  chile too  short to  tempt me,  if icant bring myself to back the rag ill just pass, I just fancy being on aus, (still got cahill playing for em).assuming chile play ok tonite ill be backing them v spain if the price is ok, once again  a possible overreaction to  spains first performance may dilute chiles price too much

The moment when Fernando Torres is still the most embarrassing thing about tonight..........

Jun 13, 2014 -- 10:10PM, GODSEND wrote:

what was over4.5 SP guys?

I did O3.5 and that was 4/1 so probably 8's - 10's ?

around 200.000 eur was on under 6.5   @ 1.01  ,many should name their kid Iker after those last 2 saves

Netherlands-Spain heat map. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/WorldStarFunny/status/477554057188347906/photo/1

**** you robben

vivaaaaaa hollandia

Jun 13, 2014 -- 10:17PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

Netherlands-Spain heat map. LOL!!https://twitter.com/WorldStarFunny/status/477554057188347906/photo/1

hope this match will be a lesson of playing attacking football

lol darlo....

arrogant robben

You really don't like Robben...

Love that heat map!

robben looks about 70 years of age and a uncle fester when he grins

He doesn't like his zero balance

Brilliant player though!

my balance is whatever the hell i want it to be, almost 2000 at this moment

i put 1200 on spain to get outta the group and have taken a hit no big deal as far as my balance id concerned

just when you think you've gotham, robben burgles a few goals.

does anyone actually believe this result? everything went right for holland - everything went wrong for spain. i think i'll put it firmly in the freak category.

Jun 13, 2014 -- 10:27PM, schillaci wrote:

my balance is whatever the hell i want it to be, almost 2000 at this moment

I'm gonna try that too - fabulous left-field approach - I'm gonna take control of my bank, show it who's boss and just  command  it to take whatever form pleases me.

Schillaci has got a grip - his bank does it's Masters bidding. Good Bank.

Jun 13, 2014 -- 10:31PM, metaphor wrote:

does anyone actually believe this result? everything went right for holland - everything went wrong for spain. i think i'll put it firmly in the freak category.

The freak category is that Spain is as of now 13.5 to win the WC,while Holland is 14

thunderstruck who will you bet on if holland and spain both qualify... the tried and tested winners or the team who had one good game?

How can potentially losing 1200 be no biggie as far as a balance of 2000 (over the year) is concerned?  That's over half the entire balance!

When was the last time a first-choice squad (not including dead rubbers etc.) got hammered like that in the group stage, and then went on to lift the cup?

robben and van persie top quality both over 30 need to stay injury free for the  dutch to go far

at the last world cup spain lost their first game to the mighty switzerland

I know, but they weren't taken apart and ripped to shreds.  The Switzerland match was a bit of a freak. But there were worrying signs in that game today that Spain isn't a side that can sweep through the knockout stages without taking a hit.  Admittedly, the Netherlands are a superior side to Switzerland, but that was still one hell of a shellacking they took.

I suspect the odds on both sides are about right.

13s/14s in an international tournament suggests a team that could become a major contender, but that has a few question marks hanging over it.

If the Netherlands end the group stage convincingly, including taking apart Chile, they'll probably become one of the favourites to win the tournament. 14 could come to be seen as good value. Then again, maybe this was a freak. That's why they're 14 rather than 6.

Tournaments are where the hype and (to some extent) past form get pushed aside. Some teams will take to the tournament, and surpass expectations, while others will come to be seen as past their sell-by-date.  Hard to tell yet whether today's thrashing was just a freak, or a sign that Spain has weaknesses that will prevent it from repeating the success of the last four years.

This is what I wrote in my preview fred:

marychain1 19 May 14 20:29 Joined: 05 Apr 05
Well we've taken our positions, and we're entrenched. There's no point going over old ground repeatedly, but I wish to point out for the record my belief that Xavi and Iniesta are past their best, Spain will be found out by a more mobile outfit at some stage and won't win the World Cup.

If they do I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Won't be the first time after all.

i still think it was a freak result and i think spain will come back strong. yesterday was a one off game with a one off result never to be repeated, even if they play again in this competition. however, it cant be ignored that spain have made it difficult for themselves.

they might want to think about dropping cassilas, he hasn't looked right for quite a while now. he was very poor yesterday even apart from his obvious clanger.

football is very weird sometimes. i honestly believe that if rvp doesn't score that goal just before half-time, spain go on and win.

The changing point in the game was the Spain goal. Spain couldn't cope as soon as Holland started to attack. They were the better team from that point on.

metaphor,agreed spain wont play as badly again and  5-1 is obviously totalyweird but  it doesn't change he fact it was an accurate reflection of the match.if rvp doesn't score? if the other 4 goals weren't scored? a bit silly in my view.as mary said  pretty much as soon as Holland started to attack  they totally dominated.if spain hadn't scored at all it may have been different as Holland may have still kept it cagey but once thety realised that spains defence was so slow and cumbersome they just went for it

one things for sure ,its a wide open tourney, brazil could easily have lost to the croats and for 30 mins in the second half they were hugely second best.brazil at the very least showed they are beatable, spain have shown theyre not gonna be a patch on what they were, its now over to the argies to impress.this could be the year of the rag. we may just get a funny result this time.

I liked the 4th goal best

Casillas

there's a lot of people on here writing off spain. i think that is very naive. football is a weird game. it basically comes down to who takes their chances. you can dominate and lose. you can play terrible and win. spain weren't terrible, they dominated holland for large parts of the game but wasted many chances to score. holland by contrast scored with almost every chance they created - by that i mean while it was still a game. later on spain completely lost the plot and anyone who doesn't take that on board when assessing the match doesn't know football.

the rvp goal just before half-time changed the game. at the time everyone and their wife inc all the dutch fans were thinking 'business as usual, spain will cruise to victory' the dutch players and staff were thinking... 'oh well maybe we can still qualify if we win the other 2 games'. anyone who says different is either a liar or a fantasist.

2nd half spain were caught out by chasing the game too hard. not sure why they did that. not sure what possessed them to push so far forward and expose themselves to the superior pace of the dutch. it was all a bit weird - robben and rvp must have been amazed at the space in behind they were gifted time and time again. spain at that point played like rank amateurs. like i say... very very weird. maybe they were over-confident, arrogant even. maybe a good beating to bring them back down to earth is exactly what they needed.

can spain be ko'd? yes of course they can. but i very much doubt they will ever play like that again.

yes so you keep saying give it a rest

stfu you boring c***

you are the boring one, you've made the same point about a dozen times on different threads

no one is listening to you so do yourself a favour and shush

you can come back if Spain prove you right and tell us 'I told you so'

but bleating on and on proves nothing at this stage

you act like some sort of ridiculous forum hard-man - everyone laughs at you.

you are just another forum clown.

the dutch would've won me over 10k in the final 4 yrs ago
instead lost a similar amount overall
funny old game,isn't it?...the slings & arrows...
Spain will NOT be winning this WC
Brasil were hardly uber impressive
it's their 4 the Argies if they can step up 2 the plate
England may also surprise
Italy could do better than expected
wouldn't say it's wide open per se but doubt there will be an absolute stand out team unless it's Messi's boys
BTW why is the England game on so late?

spain 4 years ago started off very slowly v the swiss.
no fluke result then btw.
the swiss fully deserved it.

looked like to me spains set up was all wrong.
the chelsea fullback looks out of his depth....and so does alba.
pique and ramos looked liked they had never played together before.

they may need another pair of legs in midfield as alonso's and xavis have gone imo.
stick martinez next to busquets and it should mean more covering available and then allow the fullbacks to get forward.

I watched the game last night and it looked like Spain were cruising until the brilliant Van Persie goal at the end of the 1st half. In the 2nd half all hell broke loose when Holland threw caution to the wind and really went for it. I just think the Netherlands were very brave and went all out for goals, and if they continue to do that they can win the whole thing. I hope they don't go back into their shell because judging by that performance they could be the team of the tournament. They played with no fear, single-minded attack, adventurous, best CF in the world (RVP), one of the best attacking players in the world (Robben). The revelation was Daley Blind who was incredible last night. If those 3 play like that every game the Netherlands will take some stopping.

Of course it could be as Metaphor says and Spain were so bad they made the Dutch look like world beaters. Time will tell.

Daley Blind plays for Ajax. I have a feeling he won't be there next season.

i hope van gaal signs him for united