Mar 23, 2014 -- 5:10PM, okeydokey wrote:
JamDav....maybe in time but not at this moment
For a lot of people they already have Messi as the greatest ever now.
The only thing Maradona has over Messi is the world cup.
Mar 23, 2014 -- 5:07PM, Hamsterdam wrote:
If Atletico win all their reamining 9 games they win the title.If Barcelona win all their matches they win the title.Real Madrid have Sevilla away midweek!
If Barcelona will all their matches and Real Madrid also win all their matches, Real Madrid win the title.
Mar 23, 2014 -- 5:15PM, okeydokey wrote:
Excellent reply Egner, don't get me wrong I think Messi is a genius, up there with the very, very best.My argument is that he has had the very best around him as well. Barca 3 or 4 years ago were the best teamI've ever seen. Messi was a cog ( the very best cog ) in that team.Maradonna took 2 teams , Argentina and Napoli, who had good players, not great, and carried them to World Cup and league titlevirtually on hos own ( yes I know that isnt strictly correct, you need 10 other players )
It is a total myth that he carried poor Argentina and Napoli teams single handedly to success.
Napoli at that time were one of the biggest spenders in world football and built a whole new team around Maradona. Going out and getting the players Maradona requested.
Argentina as well had a good squad. The majority of their players were from the Argentina teams that were dominating south american football at that time.
The idea that Maradona took hold of poor/average squads and took them to success is a myth. He was their best player.
Mar 23, 2014 -- 5:23PM, okeydokey wrote:
Ok your right, I am totally wrong about everything ( what youv'e typed is actually a pile of cr@p )
Point out what is cr4p then.
Mar 23, 2014 -- 6:55PM, geordie1956 wrote:
There is one reason why neither Maradona or Messi can be considered the best - Pele
wonder how pele would fit into strict tactical european game.usually most brazilian flashy players who play up front cant cope with it on regular basics ,Argies are usually tactically aware and fit into euro game and mentality easily,you had ronaldo ronaldinho rivaldo romario kaka and maybe robinho neymar at the sort of similar shelf as messi recently ,of those maybe apart of kaka or rivaldo rest were on the top only due their natural brilliance when kept top form (but reasonably short period of time against their pure talent and ability),but after those got into trouble in their respective careers(for random reasons) found it difficult to comeback and restore previous level even just reaching mature and best for footballer age .they found it much easier in south america to restore but in much lesser competitive physically and tactically environment. it rise the question of skills their represented outside individual technique like tactical awareness physical strength etc,which is proven to be needed in all around teamwork european football.pele did not even play in this level of football and comparing him to other brazilian super talents pattern of recent times it raise question if he could cope with that trought long footballer career.maybe he would of course,but we dont really know. messi already had some setback and he comeback strong to his level,most brazilians i mentioned couldnt. ronaldo was great player for sure ronaldinho as well but messi or crissy career is not build on few years spell of brilliance but on constant work improvement and desire to get even better and that is what characterise somebody who we could name best (or one of) within echelon of great talents this sport witnessed
and that is the reason messi or crissy should be considered as the best players of those who played football all time. im sure both of those will have very lengthy careers in europe sort of giggs have(not utd fan but he should be considered with greats as well due to his workrate on the top of the talent). can see easily both playing till 38-40 and be successful ,even if facing major injuries in future,those are fully dedicated to achieve more than earn wealth and show up skills,these are winners. shame that ronaldo lima or ronaldinho couldnt find this desire and work rate because were similar talents.maybe pele was as well but fact is those two(and suarez is similar) are proving it actually by their careers and history their creating constantly
Mar 24, 2014 -- 4:24PM, brain dead jockeys wrote:
messi would score an average of 25 league goals minimum every season in seria back then. i have no doubt about this. the thing people dont understand about diego is that he was a chronic cocaine addict for most of his career. his career peaked in 1986 but i reckon after that euphoria he went mad on teh drugs. at napoli he was never fully fit and was not as dedicated as messi. if he didnt have the drugs and bad attitude problesm, he would have score a lot more goals at napoli. people see what he did in 1986 and say yeah hes teh greatest.............he never played like this at napoli. the guy was a bad pro. if he had messi's professionalism, his career would have been off teh charts in the same way that messi's is. an inform maradonna and messi can score goals at will in any league in any era.....................diego wasnt up for it, thats why he didnt do it.
cocaine should not be perceived as the downside of maradona career in periods when he was on the top,it is more like enhancing drug to the point it gets out of control so we can ask if he would be as well good without it at some certain points of his career? obviously overuse brought big downturn later but it is enhancing drug overall . back to discussion, messi will turn average team into the winning one and he can handle attacking aspect by himself usually if he need to, hes not finisher more creator and playmaker but barcelona team allows him be more up front waiting to polish all the action with clinical touch he posses. there is no question we can compare him to the past stars instead other way round at this point and this comparison looks clear. only need to win world cup to shut all discussions for good
Mar 27, 2014 -- 5:21AM, high_lander wrote:
JamDav1982 gets very very upset if you say anything bad about his pin-up-boy Lionel Messi. He will cwy and cwy and cwy and stamp his feet if you say anything nasty about his imaginary boyfriend.
Good mature comeback from a fantasist who claimed he used to fly to Naples and watch Maradona in the 80s.