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The big clubs just don't care that much, I didn't even know Arsenal were playing last night until a couple of hours before, won't be bothering to watch the live draw tomorrow either whereas growing up would never miss it, used have it's own day but now even the FA think so little of it they sandwich it in between Prem matches.
Works for the smaller clubs hoping for the big draw but fans, players and clubs in the Premier League can be doing without it, it just gets in the way of the league and like most just want it over and done with quickly so we can get back to proper football that means something.
Time to scrap the FA Cup and league cup for the big boys, it's past it's sell by date and no longer has an appeal. Pointless giving it a Champions League spot, we could have the likes of Wigan lowering our co-efficiency eventually having the 4th spot taken away.
It's finished.
Works for the smaller clubs hoping for the big draw but fans, players and clubs in the Premier League can be doing without it, it just gets in the way of the league and like most just want it over and done with quickly so we can get back to proper football that means something.
Time to scrap the FA Cup and league cup for the big boys, it's past it's sell by date and no longer has an appeal. Pointless giving it a Champions League spot, we could have the likes of Wigan lowering our co-efficiency eventually having the 4th spot taken away.
It's finished.
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Monday afternoon at 12.30 radio 2 live draw, ah wonderful days
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Typical big club supporter, the fa is a life saver to many lower league clubs. Some clubs only survive after a good run in the fa cup.
not everyone cares about self centred ******** |
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The league is boring - richest clubs win; teams celebrate coming fourth ffs; teams talk about avoiding relegation because of the money and nothing else. FA Cup is pure, raw football.
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Tell that to the thousands of Watford fans who outsang CITY fans,2-0 up did not deserve to lose,the fa.cup is alive and kicking.
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mesmerised ,is your team left in the fa cup ?
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to be fair, a lot of the big teams seem to be playing their full strength sides
Arsenal were strong last night, City today, Liverpool only rested their keeper, Everton only rested Howard and Lukaku. Its more the teams like Southampton and Sunderland who make wholesale changes |
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 walofs! |
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I didn't even know Arsenal were playing last night until a couple of hours before
Sounds to me like you're a **** fan, therefore your opinion is worthless |
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The FA Cup is great.
Arsenal haven't won a trophy for years yet c0ck a snoot to the greatest domestic cup competition in world football. If you count coming 4th every season as an achievement then I pity you. Football should be about winning things, and not just milking a cash cow. Typical Sky Sports upbringing for the deluded gooner. |
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Took my grandson today CITY v Watford,half time 2-0 down he wanted to go home,I had to explain the 40 odd years I had to watch the ups and downs,he was buzzing at full time,love the cup.
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mortpeh, my team played last night, I watched, we won, but I was more concerned with how much I won rather than the result, because I have little feeling left for any domestic cup, it's only really good for blooding youngsters for us, it's a fact of life, MysticMugget, when has an FA Cup match ever been played on a Friday?
I don't care about little clubs going on a run, I care about what's good for my team in the same way you only really care about what's good for your team, and what's good for us is the league and the Champions League, you ask most of our fans and they will happily tell you it's the only two they are bothered about, you'll get a few romantics and traditionalist who will peddle the "how special it still is" line but really the interest levels is not half as much as they used to. |
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Mesmerised seems like your typical Skyboy, fed on a diet of Andy Gray and Martin Tyler and allowing himself to be brainwashed.
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Mesmerised I have to agree with the others, you sound like the type who thinks football was invented by Sky in the early 90s and that the game is all about the premier****e rather than about the 92 plus the pyramid.
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its about glory ,its about winning things , not about staying up, qualifying for competitions that you cant win.
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Didn't grow up with Sky.
Had four TV channels til 97 Had five TV channels til freeview Never bought Sky I would never give a penny to that withered old worm Murdoch, stream everything - hth. It just does nothing for fans of big clubs, it's a natural process when you're at the top end, I wouldn't expect fans of smaller clubs to understand until they get here. |
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bet david moyes wishes man u were still in it
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How many big clubs are there? 6,10,20?
How many professional clubs are there? 104,106, 112? How many clubs enter the FA Cup? I don't know but it's in the hundreds at least. It's the beautiful game, the national game. It's for everyone, all the clubs, not just the big ones, and if you take the big ones out it devalues everything, turns it into an alternative Football League Trophy.We already have one of those, we don't need two of them. |
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not so long ago chelski the also rans
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knew it, basically supported arsenal when they were winning.
****** knows nothing about his local club. |
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yes chuck 150 years history down the drain the same as when the "big" clubs shat on the old championship
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maybe one cup would be better than two
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Lol Ibra, you aint got a clue what you're talking about sunshine, started supporting Arsenal when we were known as Boring Boring Arsenal and finished 12th in the league, favourite book was Fever Pitch and read a couple of Brian Glanville's one's on us so what I don't about us know is not worth knowing. Also, we haven't a pot in the best part of a decade so instead of ranting like a women in period pains ask instead
 Just because the FA Cup means something to you and other fans of smaller clubs, you should still have intelligence to realise times have changed, it's je ne sais quoi faded along time ago and the big clubs have much bigger fish to fry. |
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mesmerised = bell end.
End of thread. |
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Grow up Charlene.
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im also an arsenal fan but still really like the fa cup. not keen on the other one but good to test younger players in
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Its the Capital One Cup, thats pointless, as the attendances, at these games are so poor, it must cost some clubs money to play the matches.
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Packed crowd at Sunderland a few minutes ago
 Case rested. |
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do away with the freight rover/ paints trophy /full members cup
that's the silly one those games could be used as FA cup games instead and have an extra round for league and non league sides ,regionalise it a bit Yeovil v Carsisle will appeal to no one Yeovil v Bournemouth will Then include the EPL side in 2 phases Include the top 8 EPL sides in at a later time It encourages teams to get that 8th spot ,and frees up the Euro sides |
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I undertsnad where mesmerised is coming from - all fans want Champions league glory ,it's the cream .
Arsenal also know they have only a 1 in 5 chance of winning the FA cup,so it's still a lottery . For a fan of say Bristol City or Northampton ,the cup is then about creating that upset . N'hampton beating Everton away (e.g)will live in the memory ,Arsenal winning at Everton in the cup will not |
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I think this debate will crop up again as there wasn't a SINGLE upset today
Kidderminster the nearest to one  |
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Yeah Sunderland, the side who've just got to Wembley. Great example that
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if there was only one cup, with regional qualifying in say 8 groups with an open draw at quarter final stage you would get more
interest last 16 would end up , more or less, as derbies, and regional cups could be presented if required winners into champs league, losers to europa would guarantee a bit more interest |
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indeed donny
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we need more derby opportunities
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The League cup in particular is treated with disdain by the big boys, only if they reach the latter stages do they take it seriously.
Donny's idea is a good one as money talks and the likeliness is the FA won't get rid of it for the big pay days at Wembley, but how much intrinsic value it that really place on it is obvious, only have to look back to 2000 when they encouraged United to play in some trumped up competition in South America and abandon their status as current holders, and not having it as the last game of the season. I know I'm right but the fans of little clubs can't think beyond their next big day out to one of the big clubs in the draw goes their way. |
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"I know I'm right but the fans of little clubs can't think beyond their next big day out to one of the big clubs in the draw goes their way."
Arrogance isn't the nicest of qualities and if you knew anything about the game of football as a whole outside your little bubble, you'd realise how simplistic it is to say "I know I'm right" in this case. |
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Save the character assessment I'm not interested.
Factually I know I am correct, it's very simple, means a lot to lower league clubs, doesn't mean a lot to the bigger clubs / fans / players, are you honestly telling me it's the same now as it used to be? now where near and ever will be again, have to deal with the reality and adapt - only a matter of time before the Europa League is scrapped too and the Champions League is doubled. Very least Have the two domestics cups conjoined and have done with it. |
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i think what has happend ia the top 4 or 5 clubs have been 'taken out' of the top flight /division
most of the premier league is nearer to the championship in terms of stadia ,facilities,money ,fan base and status those 5 elite may as well play in a super league 20 or 30 years ago you didn't have this issue with money so top heavy , and very rich owners times have changed indeed it would normally be a case of customers voting with their feet if it was the high street ,ie Arsenal deserting the 'emirates' (thats something else thats crept into the game  ) and supporting Leyton Orient or Barnet But football isnt a heartfelt business , fans will want to win at all costs Crystal Palace would swap their status with Chelsea in a heartbeat Man City were in league One a few short seasons ago - their fans are lapping up this new found success |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think that's a much better post than your last one and I might not necessarily be against ditching the League Cup.Just don't forget that the big clubs are just a part of the pyramid, same as the little clubs are, long history , proud tradition etc. Anyway, without my team to teach Scezney and Akpom all about what first team football is really like, your Arsenal would be that little bit worse off, wink icon.
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