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over 8.5s backed down to 1.06
those matched graphs look very pretty
those matched graphs look very pretty
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wow...
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mentali !!
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obviously got the two outcomes mixed up here believing he was on a good thing
scarey stuff indeed |
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that overs graph tells the story doesnt it
a ridiculous number of small identical sized bets machine-gunned into the system in rapid succession |
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LOL at the graph.
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Poor chap/chapess will be desperately hoping that the game is called off tonight.
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lol....or money laundering
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ie one big back
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so of course it will now end 0-9 to bayern
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lurka - yes it could have been trap bets in place beforehand, all at 0.01 intervals and identical sizes, thats possible
but i've never, ever seen trap bets like that in these markets |
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suspicious looking alright, but i'd say that was the way it was done
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theres always a few trap bets knocking around of course
but never the perfect coverage of every single odds increment at exactly the same bet size |
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if it was one single big back trapped by many small lays, then how did the trap better know to place the bets right at that exact time, and we never see trap bets like it in those markets at any other time?
the guy would have to be psychic or capable of placing invisible bets |
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yes, unless as someone above implied, he knew what he was doing. If so, why have a big back at 1.0x when you can spread it all the way up to 1.98 and 'wash' a lot more
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Looks like a jump bot gone wrong to me with someone milking it.
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yes CJ70 thats exactly what it looks like to me - a 1.01 increment jumping bot gone nuts
or some terrible programmers first attempt at a 1.01 increment jumping bot |
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subversion • November 5, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
if it was one single big back trapped by many small lays, then how did the trap better know to place the bets right at that exact time, and we never see trap bets like it in those markets at any other time? maybe you and CJ are right about the bot, but to answer both of your questions they were backed and laid by the same person at the same times on different accounts |
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quality |
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lurka - if it was the same person doing both sides, they will have had to smash through a chunk of other peoples money to get to those odds
but if they were willing to pay that price, then who knows... but still doesnt explain the perfect distribution of odds increments and prices |
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this is ridiculous
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that is about 4000 lost
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Subversion - how did he get matched at all then? There is relatively little money matched above 1.98, so there was no money to smash through when it was done
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lurka - i wasnt watching the market in realtime i'm afraid, i only noticed an hour or so later when i noticed i had been matched for decent amounts at decent odds far earlier than expected
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so i know for a fact this market was not empty when it happened
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Sorry, I should have said 'little or no money', not 'no money'. There is €222 matched at 70 on o8.5 and v small sums above and below that. That is a small price to pay for the benefit of a few k here. Especially if you are on 60% PC for that few k.
But TBF there must have been some automation involved and it would be a stupidly obvious way to wash money, as BF will surely be looking at the accounts matched. But it would have been possible to do it the way i've said in this market |
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i agree its possible, and automation was definitely used
and yes, this would be a very weird way to 'hide' activity, doing something so obvious and turning the trading graphs into modern art masterpieces |
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Definitely a problematic bot for me as the unders were pushed up to 17.5, the jumps at the end of that suggest some sort of push that was moving the bot to that level.
We'll never know unless someone owns up. It's one of the main reasons I wouldn't run a bot, I reckon you could scrape at least £30 a day with a tight bot, but so easy to drop a bank in the same way. |
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CJ the prices matched on the unders side correspond with the equivalent prices and amounts traded on the overs side. 17.5 = 1.06 approx, 15 = 1.07, 13.5 = 1.08 etc it looks like €30 or €60 backs placed on the overs side and it's as if they are cross-matched with equivalent prices on the unders side
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I'm sorry to say that it was me. I was testing a new bot today, and made a really basic programming error.
Believe it or not, I was actually relieved that the error worked out the way it did. Cost me 4.6k, but the account I was testing in has 6 figures +, so it could have been FAR worse. |
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*€30 or €60 lays on the overs side i meant
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Ouch. We've all made similar mistakes, so glad it has worked out not so bad for you.
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kudos for owning up Contrarian.
sorry about the jibe earlier in the thread about 'terrible programmer', all software has bugs and in the world of automated trading, these bugs can have severe consequences (as you know) i cant imagine having an account with 6 figures linked to an untested bot personally. having a buggy bot is like having a highly automated, fast and efficient way of emptying your bank account. |
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theres only 2,760 ish matched on the market...
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No problem subversion.
Yeah, when I first started running bots, I was really scared of something disastrous going wrong. I think I've become complacent, having run them for quite some time without any mishaps. |
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sideshowbob,
BF double count. I'm -4.7k on Under 8.5 +10.4k on Over 8.5 |