Partick V Hibernian

hibs love a 1-0 :)

Billy McKay who seems to score every game in the SPL came to Scottish football from Northampton who are absolute sh*te and struggling in league 2. So it's not that far fetched to think that some of these players/teams are conference standard

one goal still not enough for over 2.5

What's Gary Mac doing commentating. He's probably not been in Scotland for 20 year.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:13PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Billy McKay who seems to score every game in the SPL came to Scottish football from Northampton who are absolute sh*te and struggling in league 2. So it's not that far fetched to think that some of these players/teams are conference standard

Charlie Adam who was garbage in Scotland has moved for multi million pound deals in England.

The select of the conference has played Highland selects a few times in recent years and hardly been any better than them.

hibs got this game by the balls now

Excuse me, bit harsh on the might Cobbs there  Biccy

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:09PM, akabula wrote:

Was it Kate Adie trilby?

Cannaemind, Aka - it was a long time ago.  She was a bouncy young blonde who wanted to be a journalist and travel to far off lands.

*mighty

it's a top class league really, it's the weather and the pitches that drag the quality down. put any of these players on the emirates on a warm saturday afternoon and they'll be quality

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:16PM, wisewords wrote:

it's a top class league really, it's the weather and the pitches that drag the quality down. put any of these players on the emirates on a warm saturday afternoon and they'll be quality

The league is clearly a sh1t standard but nowhere near as bad as conference football.

i was jesting. people love to slag it off. it lacks investment which i think is a massive shame.

partick thistle nil          everyone south of the border thinks  that is  their full name

ITS WELL WORSE THAN THE CONFERENCE, YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO GET YOURSELF DOWN SOUTH FROM YOUR SUBSIDISED BY THE ENGLISH WORLD AND CHECK OUT A FEW GAMES.

IM CONFIDENT THE TOP HALF OF THE CONFERENCE WOULD BEAT THESE 2 ALL DAY OF THE WEEK.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:20PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

ITS WELL WORSE THAN THE CONFERENCE, YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO GET YOURSELF DOWN SOUTH FROM YOUR SUBSIDISED BY THE ENGLISH WORLD AND CHECK OUT A FEW GAMES.IM CONFIDENT THE TOP HALF OF THE CONFERENCE WOULD BEAT THESE 2 ALL DAY OF THE WEEK.

Well you are wrong.

Simple as that.

Inverness caley thistle celebrated signing aload of conference players in the summer and they are 2nd in the SPL!

Enough evidence for me.

SPL or SPFL whatever its called needs to die.

The lad Doolan is a pathetic loser of a human being.

Thistle are alright football wise, they just need a striker to put the ball in the net

Dav, have you been drinking?

Worse than the Conference lol

well worse

Okay mate

Maybe its just in England they cannae spot a good player

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:21PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

Inverness caley thistle celebrated signing aload of conference players in the summer and they are 2nd in the SPL!Enough evidence for me.SPL or SPFL whatever its called needs to die.

As I said the conference select have barely looked better than the Highland League select in recent years so I think your way off the mark.

He makes a fair point cobs. A lot of Conference players have gone up their in recent years and done very nicely for themselves.

Last season Higdon scored loads of goals, he played for Crewe in England. Griffiths was quality for Hibs, he plays in league one. Niall McGinn got 20+ goals for Aberdeen, year before that he got FIVE in league one for Brentford.

If these are the top players then how bad are the poorest players? I admittedly watch very little Scottish football but i don't think i'm that wide of the mark by suggesting the worst players are conference standard. Would St Mirren beat a top conference side? I certainly wouldn't back them.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:23PM, Glossy wrote:

He makes a fair point cobs. A lot of Conference players have gone up their in recent years and done very nicely for themselves.

While a lot of average SPL players have gone down to the Championship and Premier League and doen very well.

average SPL players don't end up the in the championship, they end up in the job centre.

average conference players end up in the SPL.

Examples JamDav?

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:25PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

average SPL players don't end up the in the championship, they end up in the job centre.average conference players end up in the SPL.

Hardly, the championship is choked with average SPL players.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:25PM, Glossy wrote:

Examples JamDav?

Examples of what?

That's the cheap wine working

nice save

and again lol

Steven Fletcher couldn't hit a barn door up here but when he took a step down to the EPL he found his level.

Average SPL players doing well at prem/champ level.

Partick could play all night and not score.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:09PM, Geesyerdosh wrote:

I've not been there for years but it's still pretty mental by all accounts.

Nor have I.  I understand their gurlz still have bulletproof underwear ... hmm, maybe it was Kate?

That's a reasonable point Glossy, but doesn't mean you can compare the 2 leagues in general IMHO

Keep taking the tablets glossy

Oh well....time to convince myself that Goody Shoes vs All Boys is going to be o6.5

Gees, his goal/game ratio is virtually identical in English football as it was in Scotland.

that goalkeeper should be in conference

Despite how diabolical both of these teams are, got to say it looks like the better team (or the more adventurous team) will lose.

Da_vin, i was answering JamDavs question.

ok

But I will keep taking the tablets. They make my world happier!

So what you are saying Glossy is the SPL is equal to the EPL

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:26PM, Glossy wrote:

Average SPL players doing well at prem/champ level.

Charlie Adam the prime example. Plenty if other players in the Premier league that were average in SPL - Hoolahan, Ruddy, Speroni etc.

The champiosnhip is full of them and league one is full of them also.

No way the level of SPL is conference.

C'mon Partick ...

how far behind is the bt sport?
why suspended market?

FT 0-1

bt's at least 15 seconds behind radio Scotland 810mw

I had to rewind the TV to se that again.

Neither of those 2 would make the play offs in the conference.

The Maryhill Magyars - Long time since they lived up to that name.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:35PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

I had to rewind the TV to se that again.Neither of those 2 would make the play offs in the conference.

They would.

Well done to all the winners on this thread (and elsewhere) tonight.

lol, Aka - Magyars indeed!

Oh well. That was fun!

And to think Partick advertise their games as Firhill for Thrills

poor old Scotland.

I can recall the likes of Laudrup playing for Rangers not so long ago and now they get a job lot of players not good enough for the English 4th tier representing the league.

how times change.

the only way is up!

Hope you recoup your losses on your next bet Glossy.

Cheers akabula. Will probably have something of a hiatus until the weekend now.

I watched Stoke v Norwich last week. Total crap. And that's with all that money to spend.

Both teams would be mid to lower championship level in England I would say

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:41PM, cobs101 wrote:

Both teams would be mid to lower championship level in England I would say

Haha

not a chance

both teams would be mid to lower conference level.

Celtic may be championship level, but no the rest o the junk up their.

Dav stop gloating - English football is heading for a ravine - behind Germany - Behind Spain - Who's next to overtake you - If Sky ever wake up yer f*ck*d

"Plenty if other players in the Premier league that were average in SPL - Hoolahan, Ruddy, Speroni etc"



If they're your best examples then you're quite clearly struggling!
Hoolahan was barely in the SPL for 6 months, Ruddy did well in his one season there and Speroni played there about 10 years ago!

Hold the front page ...

News coming in from South Africa ...

Rangers Fottball club ...

44million

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:42PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

Oct  7, 2013 --  9:41PM, cobs101 wrote:Both teams would be mid to lower championship level in England I would sayHahanot a chanceboth teams would be mid to lower conference level.Celtic may be championship level, but no the rest o the junk up their.

Yet the conference select struggles to beat the highland league select in recent years and a team that would finish bottom half of the SPL got to the final of the Carling Cup.

I didn't say English football was brilliant,
but I know enough to be able to make an honest comparison as to where the likes of hibs and thistle would be competitive.
And that would be the conference.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:43PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

"Plenty if other players in the Premier league that were average in SPL - Hoolahan, Ruddy, Speroni etc"If they're your best examples then you're quite clearly struggling!Hoolahan was barely in the SPL for 6 months, Ruddy did well in his one season there and Speroni played there about 10 years ago!

Charlie Adam? Stephen Fletcher?

where they not young players in Scotland, so playing around better players in England and naturally maturing they are likely to improve?

Please google inverness caleys summer signings.

They where over the moon to pick up conference and conference north players.

Caley are 2nd in the SPFL.
I rest my case your honour.

I actually think thistle would do OK in the conference if they got a decent target man

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:47PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

Please google inverness caleys summer signings.They where over the moon to pick up conference and conference north players.Caley are 2nd in the SPFL.I rest my case your honour.

The majority of your average SPL players are down in the Championship and league one.

Some terrible players from league one and two come up to Scotland and look far far short of the required standard.

Burke, Bryson, McArthur, Arfield, Dobbie just off the top of my head who are playing in the championship who were not much special up here. Must be many more.

Dav how many of their signings are in the 1st team. Not many I think you will find.

Sone Aluko - bog standard at Aberdeen doing it for Hull in the Championship and EPL.

Gordon Greer - complete lump of a defender at Killie - captain of Brighton.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:44PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

I didn't say English football was brilliant, but I know enough to be able to make an honest comparison as to where the likes of hibs and thistle would be competitive.And that would be the conference.

Burke was never the same after celtic sang "whos the **** in the blue " at him ....poor lad came on again after he settled away from glasgow .

Sone Aluko was a good player at Aberdeen and then went to juventus and then Rangers ...was a class act ...

never improved in England  just released his full potential imo

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:03PM, breadnbutter wrote:

Oct  7, 2013 --  9:44PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:I didn't say English football was brilliant, but I know enough to be able to make an honest comparison as to where the likes of hibs and thistle would be competitive.And that would be the conference.Burke was never the same after celtic sang "whos the **** in the blue " at him ....poor lad  came on again after he settled away from glasgow .Sone Aluko was a good player at Aberdeen and then went to juventus and then Rangers ...was a class act ...never improved in England  just released his full potential imo

'Just realising potential' could be said about any of the players that have come from lower league England to SPL.

The Championship is full of these players that were average/decent SPL players.

Look at Derby for example playing Connor Sammon, Craig Bryson, Johnny Russel, Paul Coutts (highland league player in Scotland).

Connor Sammon was a decent player and some thought he would be better than David  Goodwillie .

Sone Aluko was a class act ...Juventus never gave him a contract and he payed his own transfer fee to come to Ibrox    was a top talent ...even at Aberdeen he showed touches of real class ,burke ,sammon ,goodwillie were all very good players when they left Scotland .

They were decent players I dont know about 'very good'.

Do you agree these are a better standard of player than coming out of the conferece.

Jeepers I just looked at Hull City and that takes the biscuit for decent SPL players.

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:14PM, JamDav1982 wrote:

They were decent players I dont know about 'very good'.Do you agree these are a better standard of player than coming out of the conferece.Jeepers I just looked at Hull City and that takes the biscuit for decent SPL players.

Sorry not Hull - Blackpool.

what players have come from the conference and done well  in Scotland ?

Blackpool were a EPL side ,still on parashoot munee ,60+m for getting into the EPL and 30M when they left (over 3 years?)

Scotland can not compete with the championship player values and  wages  anymore due to the obscene amounts of  TV  munee ...

all they can do is put more munee into grassroots level but the truth is there are too many options for youngsters now and there is simply not enough kids competing for the places ....so the level will keep dropping for the foreseeable future.


Charlie Adam ...was an average player in Scotland and turned into a decent player for Blackpool in the championship and EPL .

great left foot .....could not tackle a bag o chips ....has made an absolute fortune

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:40PM, breadnbutter wrote:

what players have come from the conference and done well  in Scotland ? Blackpool were a EPL side ,still on parashoot munee ,60+m for getting into the EPL and 30M when they left (over 3 years?)  Scotland can not compete with the championship player values and  wages  anymore due to the obscene amounts of  TV  munee ...all they can do is put more munee into grassroots level but the truth is there are too many options for youngsters now and there is simply not enough kids competing for the places ....so the level will keep dropping for the foreseeable future.Charlie Adam ...was an average player in Scotland and turned into a decent player for Blackpool in the championship and EPL .great left foot .....could not tackle a bag o chips ....has made an absolute fortune

Not sure what all that means?

Do you think the SPL is worse than conference level?

Its a poor league but teams like Aberdeen etc would hold their own in the Championship.

Scottish top flight football is absolutely appalling imo . Not gonna change either - drugs and booze come first in the slums . 
Has anybody on here ever been to Motherwell ?   

A pitiful place , worse than any ghetto in America .

I think you're missing my point completely JamDav, i wasn't saying that the entire SPL is on a par with the conference. I was saying that some of the poorest players in it are conference standard.

When complete nobodies in the lower leagues in England like McKay, Higdon and McGinn can go to the SPL and score week in week out then that shows you the level up there. So if players from leagues one and two in England can flourish there then it stands to reason that the lowest level players would be conference standard.

And for every player who's come down south and done well there are more that have gone the other way. Stokes did nothing in England, Hooper came from Scunthorpe, Commons was an average championship player with Derby. Matthews came from Cardiff. Richie Foran played for Southend and Darlington, John Sutton played for Wycombe, these are all regular SPL players.

You say Aberdeen are championship standard yet their regulars include Scott Vernon who played for Southend and Colchester, Greg Wylde who couldn't get a game at Bolton, Michael Hector who was at Cheltenham last year and Calvin Zola who signed from Burton Albion! Yeah they're really good!!

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:05PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

I think you're missing my point completely JamDav, i wasn't saying that the entire SPL is on a par with the conference. I was saying that some of the poorest players in it are conference standard.When complete nobodies in the lower leagues in England like McKay, Higdon and McGinn can go to the SPL and score week in week out then that shows you the level up there. So if players from leagues one and two in England can flourish there then it stands to reason that the lowest level players would be conference standard. And for every player who's come down south and done well there are more that have gone the other way. Stokes did nothing in England, Hooper came from Scunthorpe, Commons was an average championship player with Derby. Matthews came from Cardiff. Richie Foran played for Southend and Darlington, John Sutton played for Wycombe, these are all regular SPL players.You say Aberdeen are championship standard yet their regulars include Scott Vernon who played for Southend and Colchester, Greg Wylde who couldn't get a game at Bolton, Michael Hector who was at Cheltenham last year and Calvin Zola who signed from Burton Albion! Yeah they're really good!!

I can list plenty of players that are playing at championship level in England that were nobodies in Scotland players that had come from the highland league or lower divisions in Scotland.

McGinn is hardly a nobody he played for Celtic and Northern Ireland and played for Aberdeen as striker and not a winger.

Teams like Blackpool and Derby have SPL players that were no great shakes.

As for the worst SPL players being poor enough for Conference standard that would apply to Championship and many league one teams also.

Inverness are a joke, their regulars include:

Dean Brill - signed from Luton
David Raven - Tranmere
Gary Warren - Newport County
James Vincent - Kidderminster
Ross Draper - Macclesfield
Richie Foran - Darlington
Billy McKay - Northampton

This lot are 2nd in the SPL!

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:13PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Inverness are a joke, their regulars include:Dean Brill - signed from LutonDavid Raven - TranmereGary Warren - Newport CountyJames Vincent - KidderminsterRoss Draper - MacclesfieldRichie Foran - DarlingtonBilly McKay - NorthamptonThis lot are 2nd in the SPL!

What does that prove?

Staggies of Dingwall fear the Snekkie Boys.

Well either the SPL is poor or Terry Butcher is a managerial god

SPL is pish without Rangers and Tel is a hero

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:18PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Well either the SPL is poor or Terry Butcher is a managerial god

What does it mean when there are teams in the top half of the championshsip with players from the SPL and below then?

It must surely mean SPL is on a standard going by your criteria?

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:19PM, trilby22 wrote:

SPL is pish without Rangers and Tel is a hero

So there and goodnight

There is a player  playing for west ham played for hibs not so long ago scores  goals  we he gets a chance not sure to score in a brothel we he played up there

Oct 8, 2013 -- 6:37AM, sevey wrote:

There is a player

Oct 8, 2013 -- 6:37AM, sevey wrote:

There is a player