Ukraine v England

good first 10 mins and thats all

Well done OP

Well done unders and 0-0 backers.

good call op

Did you see Hodgson celebrate then

and well done Jack WIlshere, solid effort

Woy creaming himself with that result and that tells you everything

Yep good call. Game had 0-0 written all over it. Annoyed I didn't listen to my own instincts, and the op of course!

credit must go to the opening Poster....
Draw is acceptable to both, England great record not conceding... 8/1 no goalscorer is a great bet

followed in on that one

well, that was a rip-roaring way to lose 24 quid

Poland will be up for it

23 qualifiers in europe tonight, 22 had goals in...

and england game was the only draw

I think people negative cos its utter sh*t...pray not to qualify to save the shame at the WC.

well played England ,tough place to get a  result

Dont remind me of that game Bito

ukraine virtualy guaranteed 6 points last 2 games,can't say the same for england.

hope you made some money

thanks for the laughs

Big up yoself OP.

AyersRock     Joined: 27 Oct 11
Replies: 5546 10 Sep 13 21:37 
and well done Jack WIlshere, solid effort

Hahahahahahaha

both teams should be disqualified from the world cup after that fiasco.

job done  boring doesnt come into it get real people

that luton game was a barnstormer

Lets face it, this is the worst World Cup qualifying group in Europe and two of the top 3 teams, have just played out, one of the worst ever 0-0 matches. Cahill was man of the match, as he defended well, when he had to, but naming a MOTM, was quite hard out of that lot. England got the result they came for, against a very average Ukraine side

cant see the england players handling the pressure of winning 2 home games.

those 2 home games aren't going to be easy

Football, like all other sports Seddon, is supposed to be an entertainment business.

England are one of the best defensive teams in the entire universe they've only conceded 3 goals in 8 games. If they score in each game at wembley they will qualify.

especially against Polandtheres history needing to beat Poland to qualify for the WC

why  who entertains at snooker  nowadays then get real qualifiying is  everything pal coconut

id rather we didnt go and have to bore our way to getting 3 points in the group stage and hoping its enough to get through to the knockout stages.


then playing so boring and negative hoping for a pen shootout knowing we are sh1t at those.

at least in the days of hoddle and sven and robson we tried.
we had a right go at the gerries in 90.

the argies were lucky when hoddle was here.

well sven sort of let the game down v ten man brazil lol


but all were much better than this boring **** of a dinosauw

That is plenty of entertainment in Snooker, but you have to use your brain, in that game and have the skill, to do what you want with the balls

r you mad it was 0.0 when hoddle was manager in italt  to qualify

snooker's more boring than ukraine v england games when neither team needs to win.

who entertains thn ba ronnie specsavers  for you  coconut

1.01

Roy says decent result it's now in our hands

i remember that game away to Italy 0-0 , was to qualify for France '98 , I an wright should have scored in that game really IIRC

but he didnt  .0 rules m8  coconut ead

there's that many poles uk,they will hav no probs filling wembley

many of them built it

at least in the days of hoddle and sven and robson we tried.
we had a right go at the gerries in 90.

Yes we had a go but ot well beaten This lot can compete with the Germans and the rest of the better nations

Well beaten? Went to pemmos in '90

nn

i suppose we beat Spain once on pens

compete with the germans

load of bullshit

I'm not forgetting Michael Owen in Munich

als we need is a russian ref in every game and weve won the fckn thing

load of bullshit adds nothing  Reasons?

Sep 10, 2013 -- 9:58PM, BomberBoyo wrote:

load of bullshit adds nothing

Did you not watch the game?

yes

Those managers mentioned earlier would have thrown people forward and ended up losing.
This was a professional job to get us to Brazil

England are terrible under Woy. Terrible choice as coach. So unimaginative & rigid with the formation. Our style of play is the football equivalent of having to listen to John Major & William Hague talk about economic policy during PM's question time. We had a good side 10 years ago but a similarly unimaginative coach in Sven. Now, we have a poor side & an unimaginative coach.

we haven't had a world class side since the 1970s and 80s

ffs not another fisherman

It's easy to knock Hodgson but in my lifetime England have only played with any degree of fluency in 1990, 1996 and 2004, and that's with better players available.

Let's be honest, we don't have too many world class players in the current squad, so maybe having a dull unimaginative manager to help us grind out results is our best option at the moment. The fact is when half your team is out of their depth you aren't going to be best served trying to play free flowing football.

We haven't got any World Class Players Biscuit I'm afraid. Our last World Class Player was Paul Gascoigne and unfortunatly he went off the rails.

not sure they are out of their depth just no better than the opposition

shearer not world class cri****?

Eng played some of their best football under Hoddle in 98. Sven criminally under-achieved with the squad at his disposal.

No, he wasn't World Class, he was a high quality striker, I'd put him somewhere in the Rooney class, which was very very good, although Rooney has gone backwards, since last season, probably due to his fall out with his manager. At the moment there are 2 World Class players, playing in Europe, Ronaldo and Messi. Now if Bale can continue to play for Real Madrid, as he did for Tottenham last season, we may be able to put him in that bracket, but he will be playing in a higher standard of football this season. There maybe some unheard of players that play over in South America, who we haven't seen yet.
World Class is probably around the best 3-4 players in the World.

For instance, old World Class Players

Gordon Banks/Bobby Moore/Pele/Franc Beckenbaur/Johaunn Cruyff/The Cheat Maradonna/Paul Gascoigne/Ronaldo/Lionel Messi and I may have missed a few out, but not very many more.

zidane,garrincha,platini,muller

I would say world class means in the top 20 players in the world

scholes was world class

other former world class ,puskas,best,figo,zoff,rossi,baggio

I'd say world class means a top international player who would be comfortable playing for any club side in the world.

I could go on and on naming them,seems everyone has a different view as to what is the definition of world class

world class = a player that would fit into the the worlds best squad if one were made.

Fair enough definition Ayers. Now explain how you think Wilshire fits into that squad please.

Wilshere performs a certain role, he is an attacking midfield whose job it is to to create not score, his movement going forward when in top form is just phenomenal, his awareness of those around, his precision in threading passes and anticipation in seeing patterns of play before they happen is off the scale, it doesn't get recognised or acknowledged on that scale by the masses because the so called expert pundits have about as much vision as stevie wonder, yes they hype him but with no execution leaving posters like you to believe its just that, hype, I watch a lot of off the ball stuff whilst everyone is watching the white round thing move like moths to a flame, I know a a good player when I see one and Jack future sir wilshere is a legend in waiting, it doesn't help his cause that at a club and international level he is by n large surrounded by sacks of shyte. Lo

Can't see how you would say World Class would be just the players that would fit in to a World 22

Would be so many that there is nothing to choose between for certain positions so you couldn't really say 1 was world class and the other 2 or 3 weren't .

Generally i would agree with Biscuit ; any player that could take a place in any team in the world without weakening it noticeably.

good call by the OP btw

Mediocre Team v Hodgson Team never likely to be a thriller

you can have more than one world class squad

Sep 11, 2013 -- 12:56AM, AyersRock wrote:

you can have more than one world class squad

the worlds best squad if one were made.

You say the, indicating only one. Stop back tracking.

who cares i havent sat down and thoroughly thought through a definition for world class, you can be world class and not be in the best 24 in the world, but the best 24 comes down to preference/opinion

a world class player in general is a player who is simply widely regarded as being someone who is an expert in his position and rivalled by very few and could play in in any top club in the world,, which is why ithink wilshere cole and gerrard fit that bill

Friday, October 11, 2013
Ukraine  v  Poland
England  v  Montenegro


Tuesday, October 15, 2013
San Marino  v  Ukraine
England  v  Poland

Ukraine have already beaten Poland away (3-1)
They look sure to get the remaining 6 points.
Can you say the same about England?.

Would be so many that there is nothing to choose between for certain positions so you couldn't really say 1 was world class and the other 2 or 3 weren't .

I dont see it as some exclusive club restricted by some arbitrary number, why cant there be 20-30 world class players in a world of 6 billion people, just like there are maybe 20-30 players who could possible get a game for england. They would then be england or international class players.

If there are nothing between the top 2-3 forwards in the world why would you be against calling all three the best in the world, or "world class"?

If you think England were more fluid in 2004 than 1998 you have problems imo.

That must be one of the poorest international games ever,England were very poor but if pos they were worse,England came out on top by 2shots to 1 wow!

Sep 11, 2013 -- 5:24AM, sidthekid wrote:

Friday, October 11, 2013Ukraine  v  Poland England  v  Montenegro Tuesday, October 15, 2013San Marino  v  Ukraine England  v  Poland Ukraine have already beaten Poland away (3-1)They look sure to get the remaining 6 points.Can you say the same about England?.

yes, i can.

england is FREE MONEY deffo to win group H.

you didn't say who montenegro play in the last round cos if they beat england then they're challenging ukraine for a top of the table finish.

i cant wait for the hodgeson quote when the criticism really starts......"if my methods are good enough for nechatel xamax they are good enough for England"

It's pretty irrelevant whether England qualify for the World Cup - everyone makes a song and dance about it, but it's almost exactly the same situation as Arsenal and their 'proud record' of qualifying for the Champions League. Sure, they might qualify, but they might as well not bother.

true jed,i love the world cup for what it is ,watching England is the only thing that slightly spoils it

Slightly? The last one was ruined by our ineptitude. Hodgson should be made to sit through our three group games on a loop until he realises that Milner, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney et al are not the answer. Then he should have to watch last night's game again and again, and then he should be shot in the face.

what I mean is I love watching all the world cup games except englands

hitmanhearn 11 Sep 13 06:34 
If you think England were more fluid in 2004 than 1998 you have problems imo.



In 98 we only actually beat Tunisia and Colombia and lost to Romania. People think we were better than we were because we played well against the Argies.

I enjoyed 2004, should've beaten France then with Rooney on top form we tore the Swiss and Croatia apart. I don't recall us playing such good football at a major tournament since. Would've beaten Portugal too imo if it wasn't for Rooney's injury.

I think you're right about that biscuit, Portugal wouldn't have scored against us if that game had lasted a week.

Campbell had late 'goals' disallowed in both those games too! Argies and Portugal

plus in 1990 Platt had a header disallowed against Germany in the semis and he was onside, Gazza was perhaps marginally off but not interfering with play. It's strange nobody complains or even mentions this when reminiscing.

"I think you're right about that biscuit, Portugal wouldn't have scored against us if that game had lasted a week. "

It finished 2-2 

LOL java good point.

I was thinking of the game in 2006.

england completely lost the initiative in that game when eriksson astonishingly replaced the injured rooney with darius vassell

Brendan , yes thats what i was saying .

I agree England were better in 2004 than 1998 (they were actually the best team in that Euros) . Yes Sven blew that one . Bringing on Vassell and parking the bus to hand the initiative to Portugal . Once England fell behind and had to attack they scored again straight away.

As for this qualifying round i still doubt they will make it . They have never looked like beating any of these teams so far so i'm baffled by the media assumption that 'just win the home games at the end' is a formality . I expect both matches will again be dreary and very close and 2 more draws would be no surprise and would likely leave them in 3rd place .

if you asked me to stick my neck out i'd go for a bore draw against montenegro and then a win against poland

might still be enough to win the group. in all the handwringing abot wednesday's game what's been lost is how poor and unmambitious ukraine were too. england looked in no real danger of conceding. couldn't be confident of them beating poland

As well as only beating Moldova and San Marino in these qualifiers, they are also the only countries that we've actually scored from open play against too.

A penalty and a blank in 2 games v Ukraine
And 2 Rooney headers from corners v Poland and Montenegro.