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if they are good enough, they'll play in this country or another. See Wilshere, Welbeck etc. Produce players like that who are good enough and we'll see more English players in the prem'.
Look at some of the young talent England has coming through, why so negative people?
Wilshere - Probably the second best young midfielder in Europe after Gotze, technically incredible.
Welbeck - Adding goals to his game, still young and has all the makings to be a real top striker.
Bartley - The Everton youngster will be better than Rooney, a genuine world class player in the making. Technically gifted.
Shaw - The young left back is a real talent, with great composure and all round ability.
Cleverley - Gets undeserved criticism, does nothing spectacular but retains possession unlike gerrard and lampard.
Zaha - Great potential. Sometimes does too many tricks but has pace, power and can finish. Could go a long way.
Walcott - Great pace and finishing ability.
Daniel Sturridge - Great football mind, can link up well with others. World class finisher on his day.
Oxlaide Chamberlain - Great pace and technically very good. Can open up play and keep possession. Can score or assist.
Im not even mentioning Rooney, Tom Carroll, Lennon, Smalling, Jones, Hart, Redmond etc etc.
Ive seen things are changing too at grassroots but it will not happen overnight. But rest assured things are changing in terms of coaching, goal sizes etc, and there are some very skilled English youngsters out there.
Unfortunately I think World Cup 2014 is too soon for England to mount a challenge, especially with the defence in cahill and jagielka being poor.
I however expect England to make the euro 2016 semi finals in France.
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Look at some of the young talent England has coming through, why so negative people?
Wilshere - Probably the second best young midfielder in Europe after Gotze, technically incredible.
Welbeck - Adding goals to his game, still young and has all the makings to be a real top striker.
Bartley - The Everton youngster will be better than Rooney, a genuine world class player in the making. Technically gifted.
Shaw - The young left back is a real talent, with great composure and all round ability.
Cleverley - Gets undeserved criticism, does nothing spectacular but retains possession unlike gerrard and lampard.
Zaha - Great potential. Sometimes does too many tricks but has pace, power and can finish. Could go a long way.
Walcott - Great pace and finishing ability.
Daniel Sturridge - Great football mind, can link up well with others. World class finisher on his day.
Oxlaide Chamberlain - Great pace and technically very good. Can open up play and keep possession. Can score or assist.
Im not even mentioning Rooney, Tom Carroll, Lennon, Smalling, Jones, Hart, Redmond etc etc.
Ive seen things are changing too at grassroots but it will not happen overnight. But rest assured things are changing in terms of coaching, goal sizes etc, and there are some very skilled English youngsters out there.
Unfortunately I think World Cup 2014 is too soon for England to mount a challenge, especially with the defence in cahill and jagielka being poor.
I however expect England to make the euro 2016 semi finals in France.
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I've never heard of Bartley. Is he supposed to be the next Rodney?
We'll leave the Wilshere debate for one minute.
I've seen lots of Bartley as I always take an interest on future English talent. The boy is a class act. He's a young lad but his awareness, technical ability and footballing brain is amazing for someone so young. When managers describe him as special you know he'll go far. I honestly believe he will go to one of europes big clubs one day.
I've seen lots of Bartley as I always take an interest on future English talent. The boy is a class act. He's a young lad but his awareness, technical ability and footballing brain is amazing for someone so young. When managers describe him as special you know he'll go far. I honestly believe he will go to one of europes big clubs one day.
p.s Eboue, it's my opinion.
Obviously the germans have world class talent in every position, as do Spain and Argentina and all the top teams and are way ahead of England at this time.
My point is merely that England's future is brighter than some have us led to believe.
Obviously the germans have world class talent in every position, as do Spain and Argentina and all the top teams and are way ahead of England at this time.
My point is merely that England's future is brighter than some have us led to believe.
and how many of Englands youngsters have become world class in the last say 20 years? Beckham the only one that springs to mind...the rest are over-hyped by the media etc. to something they are not. There is not one world class player in that list and I doubt if any of them will be, unless of course playing regularly for a Premier League team now counts.
Beckham?
Rooney and Gerrard were/are twice the player Beckham ever was.
Rooney and Gerrard were/are twice the player Beckham ever was.
Beckham and Gerrard are overated.
Shearer, Gazza, and Scholes were three world class players, IMO.
Gerrard can't retain possession, nor can Lampard, and we still made it to regular quarters and only just missed out on semis.
England now have players who can retain possession and you need that in the modern game.
I'm more excited about the players coming through than I was when we had gerrard and lampard at their peak.
Shearer, Gazza, and Scholes were three world class players, IMO.
Gerrard can't retain possession, nor can Lampard, and we still made it to regular quarters and only just missed out on semis.
England now have players who can retain possession and you need that in the modern game.
I'm more excited about the players coming through than I was when we had gerrard and lampard at their peak.
Gerrard has been one of the best players in Europe for a decade.
Wilshire is a little boy who gets pushed off the ball too easily.
Wilshire is a little boy who gets pushed off the ball too easily.
Now I know you're on the windup.
Eboue, I'm very confident with that ball players England have that we will make at least 1 semi final appearance in the euros or world cup in the future while Wilshere and Cleverley are playing for England.
If you disagree entirely, that's up to you.
Eboue, I'm very confident with that ball players England have that we will make at least 1 semi final appearance in the euros or world cup in the future while Wilshere and Cleverley are playing for England.
If you disagree entirely, that's up to you.
I deliberately didn't use your name because last time I did you went mental.
Do you still go on msn/skype. I can't access my account so signed up with a new email. Change the 33 to a 34 on my email address if you want to add me.
Do you still go on msn/skype. I can't access my account so signed up with a new email. Change the 33 to a 34 on my email address if you want to add me.
"England now have players who can retain possession and you need that in the modern game."
which match was this? I must have missed it
which match was this? I must have missed it
Not often that I agree with Mr Eboue....
Jack Wilshire is a disgrace.
He has been trained the Arsenal way i.e roll over if you have been touched (!) and roll over if you have not.If it is in the opposition penalty area then all the better as you will break play up when there is a counter attack.
Unfortunately this is spreading throughout the Premier League....
As an aside the sooner that person of dubious morals Wenger is sacked the better.They were beaten fair and square yesterday....
Jack Wilshire is a disgrace.
He has been trained the Arsenal way i.e roll over if you have been touched (!) and roll over if you have not.If it is in the opposition penalty area then all the better as you will break play up when there is a counter attack.
Unfortunately this is spreading throughout the Premier League....
As an aside the sooner that person of dubious morals Wenger is sacked the better.They were beaten fair and square yesterday....
ok j2 will do when im on.
the mover England kept possession and outplayed brazil at Wembley (fair enough brazil done the same at the maracana), and outplayed Ireland at Wembley too. Also outplayed Moldova away, Montenegro first half away.
A few recent that spring to mind.
the mover England kept possession and outplayed brazil at Wembley (fair enough brazil done the same at the maracana), and outplayed Ireland at Wembley too. Also outplayed Moldova away, Montenegro first half away.
A few recent that spring to mind.
so a couple of friends and Moldova and Montengro...we must be nearly there 
FFS Unique put your rod away son!
I honestly thought you were being serious for a minute!
I honestly thought you were being serious for a minute!
whats funny?
did you see brazil at home?
as shaun Curtis of the sun said, with wilshere England can compete with the top nations.
did you see brazil at home?
as shaun Curtis of the sun said, with wilshere England can compete with the top nations.
His actual name is Custis.
And i tend to agree with what Pep Guadiola said in reference of Wilshire.
Not some idiot tabloid journalist.
And i tend to agree with what Pep Guadiola said in reference of Wilshire.
Not some idiot tabloid journalist.
got serious issues has the national squad
for starters technically we are still way behind.....so when we come up against ball retention sides we will have less of the ball.
and we have too many in midfield who don't understand the importance of being a unit when it comes to pressing and coverage......we also don't have a strategy on this just a formation and let em get on with it.
for starters technically we are still way behind.....so when we come up against ball retention sides we will have less of the ball.
and we have too many in midfield who don't understand the importance of being a unit when it comes to pressing and coverage......we also don't have a strategy on this just a formation and let em get on with it.
feck me the usual rant of a half wit that loves "Barca"...
The main reason, we are poor at International football, is
1/ Too many foreigners, stopping our youngsters coming through and playing Premier League Football
2/ Too many foreign managers, who go out and buy, even more foreigners, who are probably no better, than
the British youngsters, who have to play reserve team football.
3/ And with all these over-rated foreigners playing over here, they know all the strengths and weakness's
of our International players.
Now there are a few high class overseas players in our League, but there is also an awful amount of dross players, from oversea's. Kick all that lot out and in 10 years time, we might start to see a decent International side again.
1/ Too many foreigners, stopping our youngsters coming through and playing Premier League Football
2/ Too many foreign managers, who go out and buy, even more foreigners, who are probably no better, than
the British youngsters, who have to play reserve team football.
3/ And with all these over-rated foreigners playing over here, they know all the strengths and weakness's
of our International players.
Now there are a few high class overseas players in our League, but there is also an awful amount of dross players, from oversea's. Kick all that lot out and in 10 years time, we might start to see a decent International side again.
We aren't poor at international level because of foreigners, if anything they help our players. You can't say that they are stopping some English youngsters, fact is half of them are craap anyway. You can't tell me that if the likes of huddlestone played every week they'd be good enough to improve the England team. They are the way they are because of coaching.
It all goes back to coaching, we haven't produced enough quality players like Wilshere in recent years. Hopefully in the coming years more technically gifted English players will be produced and will be in the prem'.
It all comes down to coaching when young. That is being addressed but it wont happen overnight. Only when coaching is corrected and we produce better players will we have more of a chance in tournaments.
If you're good enough, you will play. Really is that simple.
It all goes back to coaching, we haven't produced enough quality players like Wilshere in recent years. Hopefully in the coming years more technically gifted English players will be produced and will be in the prem'.
It all comes down to coaching when young. That is being addressed but it wont happen overnight. Only when coaching is corrected and we produce better players will we have more of a chance in tournaments.
If you're good enough, you will play. Really is that simple.
Cri****, if what you say is true, then why were England generally awful throughout the 70's and 80's when there were next to no foreigners in the game? There were plenty of tournaments back then that we didn't even qualify for, let alone go a long way in.
@ Unique19, were you not the guy who said England will shock the world and win the Euro 2012 or something last year??
Because like now, we are not very good at football, but we should keep our football to being 90% british and not 90% foreign. Not too long ago, it was not uncommon for Arsenal to field a totally foreign team, which was plain stupid. Now I do beleive Man City have started to bring on youngsters at their academy or whatever and Chelsea I think are trying, as well, but our clubs pay huge amounts of money for very average oversea's players and then pay them ridiculous wages as well. Its all pretty ridiculous.
You haven't answered my question. If the 3 points that you listed are correct, why was it no better (in fact, a lot worse), when the players were 90% English/British?
'bartley' is already at one of europes big clubs unique you cretin.
Think he means teams who play in European competition Moyesey.
keeping barkley will help get us into europe mr eboue, maybe at arsenals expense! 
Well, we had better goalkeepers fact, better midfield players as well, the trouble is, all we did was train them to chase, chase and chase, more to close down players, we haven't for ages, basically since Paul Gasgoine had anyone that is remotely like World Class. The worst aspect of our game is passing, which we don't do particularly well at International football. If you retain the ball, the oppsition can do nothing but try and win it back, with a tackle.
It wasn't so long ago, we had Peter Crouch playing for England, things were that bad. Yes he got 23 I think International goals, but not too many against any decent sides. However I would rather watch crap British players, than crap oversea's players and the only thing we seem to learn from them is how to dive and feign injuries.
It wasn't so long ago, we had Peter Crouch playing for England, things were that bad. Yes he got 23 I think International goals, but not too many against any decent sides. However I would rather watch crap British players, than crap oversea's players and the only thing we seem to learn from them is how to dive and feign injuries.
Everton is a great club with great supporters, but far from being one of europes big clubs. Whenever you think of Everton, you think of Liverpool FC. Everton cannot grow much really, will always be in Liverpools shadow. Nonetheless everton is a good club and I like them, they do well to overachieve each season.
Cri****, it all goes back to coaching. Hopefully future English players will be coached better.
Cri****, it all goes back to coaching. Hopefully future English players will be coached better.
bit like portsmouth will always be in bournemouths shadow?
england will always be a small nation until we increase our catchment area.
That is what defines a big fish.welcome back unique19.
That is what defines a big fish.welcome back unique19.
lol what a tit you are. You don't like what I say so you spout ****. Pompey averaging 16,000 in league 2. Bournemouth 9,000 in the championship, says it all 
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I've nothing against Everton, I quite like you's, but Everton is a fairly large club in british terms in the shadows of one of the biggest clubs in the world. To call everton one of europes big clubs is absolutely madness.
. I've nothing against Everton, I quite like you's, but Everton is a fairly large club in british terms in the shadows of one of the biggest clubs in the world. To call everton one of europes big clubs is absolutely madness.
thanks brngtnt. nice to be back.
who is your team again?
who is your team again?
Wilshere 'bossed Barca'?
He was good in he home leg but never came close to bossing Barca in a game they dominated.
In the return leg he gave away the ball so many times it was incredible and the commentators barely mentioned it. He would give the ball away and crunch into a tackle an they would gush over him.
He was good in he home leg but never came close to bossing Barca in a game they dominated.
In the return leg he gave away the ball so many times it was incredible and the commentators barely mentioned it. He would give the ball away and crunch into a tackle an they would gush over him.
Barkley looks a good prospect (really good actually) but that's all he is at the moment. How many EPL games has he started?
It seems to have escaped many that England have a real job on to qualify for Rio 2014 (appreciate the OP indirectly acknowledges this).
If they don't qualify, our promising younger players will be denied valuable tournament experience.
The performance of the U21s and U20s in the summer also give cause for concern.
Centre back options (even beyond the current incumbents) do not inspire confidence either.
It seems to have escaped many that England have a real job on to qualify for Rio 2014 (appreciate the OP indirectly acknowledges this).
If they don't qualify, our promising younger players will be denied valuable tournament experience.
The performance of the U21s and U20s in the summer also give cause for concern.
Centre back options (even beyond the current incumbents) do not inspire confidence either.
"Wilshere - Probably the second best young midfielder in Europe after Gotze, technically incredible"
Is this a without Thiago market?
Is this a without Thiago market?
think its a without half of europes midfielders market.
im sorry but you guys are entitled to your opinion but wilshere is top class and will go down as England's best midfielder when he retires internationally. Im certain of that.
Gasgoigne was special but I think Wilshere is better technically.
Gasgoigne was special but I think Wilshere is better technically.
wilshere is better than all of them Glossy.
Like I say, Gotze is the only one better.
All in my view, of course.
Like I say, Gotze is the only one better.
All in my view, of course.
You can name probably 20 young & developing English players who have the potential to be top class. The problem is Germany and Spain have literally hundreds of similar prospects. The problem is that for every Paul Scholes there's a Jermaine Jenas.
Half of them won't go on to be anything, and we're still behind the sheer depth and breadth of talent elsewhere.
Half of them won't go on to be anything, and we're still behind the sheer depth and breadth of talent elsewhere.
I haven't seen enough of Draxler or Pogba to provide a fair comparison but Wilshere definitely isn't better than Isco, and I rate Jack highly!
and if you genuinely think Wilshere is better than Isco you're mentally ill
its all about opinions. I think Wilshere is technically better than Isco.
I really think England will reach a few semi finals with the lads coming through.
I really think England will reach a few semi finals with the lads coming through.
Of all things, his certainly isn't better technically than Isco!
Aug 18, 2013 -- 11:18PM, Unique19 wrote:
its all about opinions. I think Wilshere is technically better than Isco.I really think England will reach a few semi finals with the lads coming through.
No chance is he better technically, not even close.
like I said, its about opinions. We are all allowed our views.
You think Isco is better, I think Jack.
They're both young so we'll see in the coming years if they both stay fit.
You think Isco is better, I think Jack.
They're both young so we'll see in the coming years if they both stay fit.
not sure what wilshires done to even be mentioned in same sentence as isco. all hype so far.
I am genuinely amazed that you can seriously think Jack Wilshere at the age of 21 is technically better than Gazza.
Wilshere so far in his career has done nothing.
Wilshere so far in his career has done nothing.
Unique19 18 Aug 13 23:18
its all about opinions. I think Wilshere is technically better than Isco.
I'm sure there are people that think the Fiat Cinquecento is better than a BMW 5-Series, but it doesn't mean they're right.
its all about opinions. I think Wilshere is technically better than Isco.
I'm sure there are people that think the Fiat Cinquecento is better than a BMW 5-Series, but it doesn't mean they're right.
Wilshere will prove you guys wrong as he drives England at least one stage further in tournament football than overated gerrard and lampard ever did.
Overated?
For the best part of 10 years they were 2 of the worlds best midfielders. I'm pretty sure if you gave Wilshere the option to achieve what they have he'd snap your hand off.
For the best part of 10 years they were 2 of the worlds best midfielders. I'm pretty sure if you gave Wilshere the option to achieve what they have he'd snap your hand off.
I've got nothing against Wilshere, he was phenomenal in both games against Barcelona for Arsenal. He's quality. But Isco is even better from what I've seen.
And as for England getting to semi finals of course anything's possible but really that's just guessing. It's typical supporter mentality. Able to look at his team but completely unable to appreciate the full picture by assessing the relative strengths and weaknesses of the all the opposition sides.
There are several nations with dozens and dozens of brilliant prospects coming through, and they dwarf our guys in both talent and sheer numbers.
And as for England getting to semi finals of course anything's possible but really that's just guessing. It's typical supporter mentality. Able to look at his team but completely unable to appreciate the full picture by assessing the relative strengths and weaknesses of the all the opposition sides.
There are several nations with dozens and dozens of brilliant prospects coming through, and they dwarf our guys in both talent and sheer numbers.
its easy to say other nations have dozens and dozens more coming through, but name them then?
Germany and Spain seem to be the exception to the rest at the minute.
Germany and Spain seem to be the exception to the rest at the minute.
Belgium
Brazil
Argentina
France
literally groaning with talent
Brazil
Argentina
France
literally groaning with talent
Pretty much every top european country will have at least one or 2 top young midfielders coming through
that's 6 countries (ger/spa) included mary. that's not many. Argentina haven't got an outstanding amount of top talent coming through after messi and co btw. This is Argentinas golden generation right now.
and only 11 players can be on a pitch at a time. If England can produce a few more like wilshere in the next few years we will be a threat, it doesn't matter if brazil produce 2000 world class players and England produce 20 world class players.
Quality not quantity.
and only 11 players can be on a pitch at a time. If England can produce a few more like wilshere in the next few years we will be a threat, it doesn't matter if brazil produce 2000 world class players and England produce 20 world class players.
Quality not quantity.
France will be a superb side in years to come.
Varane
Pogba
Benzia
Veratti
Grennier
Kondogbia
Thauvin
Plus many more coming through.
Varane
Pogba
Benzia
Veratti
Grennier
Kondogbia
Thauvin
Plus many more coming through.
Spain - Isco, Thiago, Muniain, Oliver Torres
Germany - Gotze, Gundogan, Draxler
Holland - Strootman, van Ginkel, Maher
Italy - Verratti, Florenzi
France - Pogba, Grenier, Kondogbia
Germany - Gotze, Gundogan, Draxler
Holland - Strootman, van Ginkel, Maher
Italy - Verratti, Florenzi
France - Pogba, Grenier, Kondogbia
It does matter you fool because only a few reach their potential. If only 5% become truly world class that's 1 for England and 100 for Brazil, using your figures.
Also, players get pushed on by competition, both internally and externally. Success breeds success. If you've got 100 top players pushing to get into a World Cup squad of course it raises the overall standard.
Also, players get pushed on by competition, both internally and externally. Success breeds success. If you've got 100 top players pushing to get into a World Cup squad of course it raises the overall standard.
Thauvain looks like one of the best talents around. Uruguay have got a top talent as well, can't remember his name, its a long one. No. 10. Think he plays for Rosario.
utter rubbish mary. What is truly world class anyway? You been too much crapp at GR mate its messing your mind up 
picking names for other countries off google doesn't mean they'll be world beaters guys 
Struggle to think of many top youngsters coming through for England at the moment which is the saddest thing
Some of us watched a lot of the various youth tournaments through the summer and France looked good at nearly every one. And yes, marychain, Thauvain could turn out to be the best of the lot. Still only 18 too.
Giorgian DE ARRASCAETA
^^^ this is the fella, remember his name. Reminds me of a certain Lionel.
^^^ this is the fella, remember his name. Reminds me of a certain Lionel.
the chances of england getting through to the finals of a major competition , and wilshere being fit at the end of an EPL season ?
You'll need to prove Tom Carroll's a good prospect to me cos he was absolutely rubbish at Derby
Unique19 18 Aug 13 23:54
picking names for other countries off google doesn't mean they'll be world beaters guys
Don't need to google them mate, i'm already aware of them and their talents, unlike you who sees a guy score a goal v norwich on match of the day and claims he'll be better than Rooney
picking names for other countries off google doesn't mean they'll be world beaters guys
Don't need to google them mate, i'm already aware of them and their talents, unlike you who sees a guy score a goal v norwich on match of the day and claims he'll be better than Rooney
here biscuit give over mate. Football league show is where its at l.
l.
biscuit, we could be meeting you in league 1 next season anyway mate 
the only up and coming player who appears to have been coached correctly is Jordon ibe....either that or he grew up watching the European leagues instead of the premier league
Anythings possible but i'd like to think there's 3 worse teams than us
Luxembourg (oh wait they are on the up)......Lichtenstein and scotland
you'll be fine biscuit but it would be nice for you to come down and play in front of a big home crowd 
come down south I mean, I hope you don't get relegated though!
I agree that England are cottoning on to the type of training techniques that Spain and Germany have been using for a long time to train their kids.
I completely disagree that the current crop of youngsters listed in the OP are anywhere near the talent of Spanish and German youngsters of similar age. It will take another 10+ years for that to happen.
Any half decent youngster is always hyped up by the press and I think the OP has swallowed a lot of this hype.
Walcott? FFS you don't have a clue about football if you think he is world class.
Welbeck - you are right about him adding goals to his game, he has already scored 1 goal more than he did in the PL all last season.
The lad at Everton is called Barkley, are you getting mixed up with Kyle Bartley?!
Lennon?! Sorry but you did mention him.
Wilshere is quality but he needs to get out of Arsenal to develop his potential and play at the very highest level. And I'm an Arsenal fan.
I completely disagree that the current crop of youngsters listed in the OP are anywhere near the talent of Spanish and German youngsters of similar age. It will take another 10+ years for that to happen.
Any half decent youngster is always hyped up by the press and I think the OP has swallowed a lot of this hype.
Walcott? FFS you don't have a clue about football if you think he is world class.
Welbeck - you are right about him adding goals to his game, he has already scored 1 goal more than he did in the PL all last season.
The lad at Everton is called Barkley, are you getting mixed up with Kyle Bartley?!
Lennon?! Sorry but you did mention him.
Wilshere is quality but he needs to get out of Arsenal to develop his potential and play at the very highest level. And I'm an Arsenal fan.
All the English up and coming talent stand out so much because theres so few of them. A nation like ours should be producing far more than we do and be spoilt for choice when selecting international players. We just dont develop our home grown talent to their full potential and the high number of foreign players must have played a big role in this being the case. Inadequate youth training techniques, lack of sport facilities and lack of competative football in schools have also put us years behind other countries. It will take more than a handfull of half decent players to come along to make us competative, we need a whole new approach to the game.
Im not even mentioning Rooney, Tom Carroll, Lennon, Smalling, Jones, Hart, Redmond etc etc.
Demonstrates the blinkered thinking of you English. HART is a prime example of English media overhype. He even believes it himself, you can tell by his body language. The reality is, he's vastly overrated. As are Rooney et al.
Demonstrates the blinkered thinking of you English. HART is a prime example of English media overhype. He even believes it himself, you can tell by his body language. The reality is, he's vastly overrated. As are Rooney et al.
There are plenty of us who don't have the George Cross blinkers on, and know that unique19 is talking his usual blend of optimism and utter drivel.
There are seeds of hope, but sadly the harvest is a long way off.
There are seeds of hope, but sadly the harvest is a long way off.
blinkered thinking of you English
Everyone on here apart from unique is saying how **** we are compared to everyone else, yet for some reason you choose the one pro-English statement and react to that. Who's the blinkered one?
Everyone on here apart from unique is saying how **** we are compared to everyone else, yet for some reason you choose the one pro-English statement and react to that. Who's the blinkered one?
Alias is a bitter sweaty, marychain. At least unique could take his blinkers off, If he chose to.
Unique,if you expect to be taken seriously,then you shouldn't be making stupid ridiculous statements,like Gerrard and Lampard being overrated.They have achieved at the highest level,against the best in Europe,and achieved a level of consistency,that many can only dream of,over many years.Not stupid thoughts,but straight facts.
When our young players have a couple of good games ,and shine,against weak opposition,the press then bigs them up to be fantastic.Not so,they may be showing promise for the future,but no way fantastic.
As has been pointed out by other posters,the other countries aren't exactly standing still in producing talent,Brazilians like Oscar for a start,young with a great future.Same for Spain,Germany etc. etc.
One of the big problems in England is our lack of decent coaches,hence the many top name foreign coaches now employed.They bring flare to their teams,ball control,skill etc.
Players like Welbeck may make the top grade,but certainly not yet,a long way to go,as is the case with others mentioned.It would be good if they did,but it is early days still.
Regarding the press,I refuse to read the drivel they write,after all it is only their opinions,and rarely factual,same goes for the tv pundits.We watch,and we make up our minds,regardless of the waffle they come out with.
When our young players have a couple of good games ,and shine,against weak opposition,the press then bigs them up to be fantastic.Not so,they may be showing promise for the future,but no way fantastic.
As has been pointed out by other posters,the other countries aren't exactly standing still in producing talent,Brazilians like Oscar for a start,young with a great future.Same for Spain,Germany etc. etc.
One of the big problems in England is our lack of decent coaches,hence the many top name foreign coaches now employed.They bring flare to their teams,ball control,skill etc.
Players like Welbeck may make the top grade,but certainly not yet,a long way to go,as is the case with others mentioned.It would be good if they did,but it is early days still.
Regarding the press,I refuse to read the drivel they write,after all it is only their opinions,and rarely factual,same goes for the tv pundits.We watch,and we make up our minds,regardless of the waffle they come out with.
Gerrard and Lampard may of achieved at the highest level at club level and that is because they're surrounded by foreigners. Neither of them have been good enough in an England shirt and neither of them can keep the ball. Say what you like about Wilshere, Cleverley and the others but at least they can keep the ball and keep things ticking over. Gerrards constant 50 yard passes may work in the premier league, at club level but it certainly doesn't work at international level. How many times do you see Xavi hit a 50 yard pass? Keep the fooking ball, its not difficult.
The FIFA seeding system preserves England's place in the top 10 (ish) of world football.
Bit of a con of course. The likes of Wales and Scotland have zero chance of qualifying for any tourny unless they dramatacilly exceed their seeding, which is fairly hard if not impossible...
Bit of a con of course. The likes of Wales and Scotland have zero chance of qualifying for any tourny unless they dramatacilly exceed their seeding, which is fairly hard if not impossible...
u want some,presumably you never saw those players,that you believe didn't achieve much,ply their trade against Europe's best.Either that,or you have a short memory.As said the measure of a player's ability is achieving against top opposition,in many games,something that those mentioned have done.
Very few have shone in an England shirt due to the overall poorness of the team,as you can't do it on your own.
Try to find other players to rubbish,as these guys have nothing left to prove.Can't keep the ball!!!!They control the midfield,and don't chase around at breakneck pace,and do give precise passes,very often the simple option,passing to the player a few yards away,keeping possession.
I wonder how closely some forumites actually watch a game,or do they just let their preconceived views rule over what actually happens on the pitch during a match.
Very few have shone in an England shirt due to the overall poorness of the team,as you can't do it on your own.
Try to find other players to rubbish,as these guys have nothing left to prove.Can't keep the ball!!!!They control the midfield,and don't chase around at breakneck pace,and do give precise passes,very often the simple option,passing to the player a few yards away,keeping possession.
I wonder how closely some forumites actually watch a game,or do they just let their preconceived views rule over what actually happens on the pitch during a match.
Gerrard and Lampard have been excellent at club level absolutely no doubt about that yet they have nearly always been poor at international level where keeping the ball is the priority. Gerrard and Lampard cant keep the ball and thats why they will always falter at international level. You like most idiotic fans and recent England managers will always pick Gerrard and Lampard when they have always been poor in an England shirt but people that know the game, like me would of shipped both of them out years ago. Its fine for them in the premier league where the game is played at breakneck speed but that isn't the case at international level. Stand them next to each other and just look at the physique's of them, one look at the size of them tells me they are not cut out for international football. We need smaller, quicker more technical players that can retain the ball instead of looking like they could run through a wall like Gerrard, Lampard, Barry etc....
They have nothing left to prove
Are you on a wind up, the golden generation like them achieved absolutely sod all in an England shirt. They have proved nothing and will always go down as failures at international level. If they were as good as you say they are why have they never been able to play together?
Are you on a wind up, the golden generation like them achieved absolutely sod all in an England shirt. They have proved nothing and will always go down as failures at international level. If they were as good as you say they are why have they never been able to play together?
Yor head has swollen too much,refering to myself as "an idiotic fan".You sound very immature,especially when you start resorting to personal abuse,trying to make out that posters are under an illusion,and don't understand the game like yourself.It is called having respect,something you are sadly lacking in.
Meanwhile the argument is pointless as Gerrard and Lampard are both at the end of their careers.
Your waffle about size is also wrong,as you can't generalise.Bergkamp wasn't exactly small,and bossed many a match,as did Zidane,and many others.At the moment there are many small and very skillful players,but that can soon change.
Meanwhile the argument is pointless as Gerrard and Lampard are both at the end of their careers.
Your waffle about size is also wrong,as you can't generalise.Bergkamp wasn't exactly small,and bossed many a match,as did Zidane,and many others.At the moment there are many small and very skillful players,but that can soon change.
Check this young English talent out
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The next one of the conveyor belt...
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The next one of the conveyor belt...
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