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Moyes is like a rabbit caught in headlights. Can't think of a manager who has ever been more out of his depth. Can't sign any players because no-one wants to play for him. All his current players aren't happy with him and want out. A complete failure to resolve the Wayne Rooney situation (either sign him to a new contract or sell him, don't do neither). Sells one of the best academy products for peanuts. Sacks some of the best coaches in the world and brings in unproven coaches. Every day Moyes is at the club the more damage is done.
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Moyes at least is more likely than Ferguson to select the right players...fergies judgement invariably flawed...
Wellbeck instead of Hernandez only one of many examples.
Wellbeck instead of Hernandez only one of many examples.
how out of his depth was a certain ex aberdeen manager all those years ago?
How can you judge someone as being out of their depth after 1 friendly with half the first team missing?
I do agree that his comments on Rooney were bizarre though, saying he's only back up to RVP is hardly going to entice him to stay.
I do agree that his comments on Rooney were bizarre though, saying he's only back up to RVP is hardly going to entice him to stay.
He is trying to show who is in charge with his comments on Rooney. He wants to be seen as strong as Fergie.
Problem is any `tough as nails' type from scotland - probably a few hundred thousand would do the same and have similar qualifications as Moyes.
His stunningly bizarre elevation from a team that did ok in the league but won nothing in over a decade to a top 3 team in the world will confound for many years to come.
I think any man on the planet that has ever kicked a ball would win a trophy for united as a manager but the damage will be done mid-long term.
Problem is any `tough as nails' type from scotland - probably a few hundred thousand would do the same and have similar qualifications as Moyes.
His stunningly bizarre elevation from a team that did ok in the league but won nothing in over a decade to a top 3 team in the world will confound for many years to come.
I think any man on the planet that has ever kicked a ball would win a trophy for united as a manager but the damage will be done mid-long term.
if you listen to moyes utd career on the radio.. it would sound like this
neeeeeeeeoooooooowwwwwww plonk!
neeeeeeeeoooooooowwwwwww plonk!
Jul 15, 2013 -- 10:30AM, sweetchildofmine wrote:
how out of his depth was a certain ex aberdeen manager all those years ago?
Nobody thought he was out of his depth . Fergie's record at Aberdeen was miles above anything Moyes has done.
Give the man a chance, hasn't even played one game and people are already calling for his head.
he's in a difficult position with Rooney, he either has to get rid now or give him a new contract on the same or higher wages (to get him to stay). The problem is he is not worth half the wages he is on, so get rid I'd say. You could get better with the cash you make
I do agree that his comments on Rooney were bizarre though, saying he's only back up to RVP is hardly going to entice him to stay.
I'd be very surprised if United wanted him to stay but its a game of poker now. If United put him up for sale then he will demand a massive fee to leave so they will try and drive him out forcing him to ask for a transfer
I'd be very surprised if United wanted him to stay but its a game of poker now. If United put him up for sale then he will demand a massive fee to leave so they will try and drive him out forcing him to ask for a transfer
His stunningly bizarre elevation from a team that did ok in the league but won nothing in over a decade to a top 3 team in the world will confound for many years to come.
blimey your bitter about Moyes - interesting to see your views on Martinez in a few months time
I would say having the 24th best transfer budget and 12th highest wage bill yet consistently having your team in and around the TOP 6 for many years in a league dominated by money is slightly better than OK especially when losing many crucial players on the eve of a season
I'm not saying he will be a massive success as I believe he has been left with the poorest united squad for many years - as others have pointed out, if RVP gets injured its difficult to see where goals will come from hence Fergie buying an injury prone 29 year old when he knew he was a complete short term buy. City and Chelsea will be so much stronger this season - Fergie knew what he was doing
blimey your bitter about Moyes - interesting to see your views on Martinez in a few months time
I would say having the 24th best transfer budget and 12th highest wage bill yet consistently having your team in and around the TOP 6 for many years in a league dominated by money is slightly better than OK especially when losing many crucial players on the eve of a season
I'm not saying he will be a massive success as I believe he has been left with the poorest united squad for many years - as others have pointed out, if RVP gets injured its difficult to see where goals will come from hence Fergie buying an injury prone 29 year old when he knew he was a complete short term buy. City and Chelsea will be so much stronger this season - Fergie knew what he was doing
Jul 14, 2013 -- 3:56PM, The Dragon wrote:
dont think you wd get that much for him
English players tend to go for a premium. If Carroll is still worth 15m, then Rooney has to be worth at least 25m+.
Jul 15, 2013 -- 10:44AM, Biscuit1979 wrote:
How can you judge someone as being out of their depth after 1 friendly with half the first team missing?I do agree that his comments on Rooney were bizarre though, saying he's only back up to RVP is hardly going to entice him to stay.
I wrote this before that friendly. The friendly didn't really influence my thinking. I thought he was out his depth when he come in, and based on his actions so far I still think he is.
"I wrote this before that friendly"
in that case the thread is even more ridiculous. Judging him before he's even managed a game
At least give him until September/October
in that case the thread is even more ridiculous. Judging him before he's even managed a game
At least give him until September/October
But isn't that what initial opinions are all about. You judge someone on whether you think they are good enough or not. This happens every time a new owner or new manager comes in.
Look at Joe Kinnear coming in at Newcastle and the reaction that got.
Look at Joe Kinnear coming in at Newcastle and the reaction that got.
they havent played ONE proper match yet ffs.
talk about overreaction of the century.
talk about overreaction of the century.
He must be "good enough" to have got the best out of EVERTON players for years.....
A friendly game is NOT a game where you judge a coach before season starts.
Fitness ......and avoiding injuries is more important than results in such games.
A friendly game is NOT a game where you judge a coach before season starts.
Fitness ......and avoiding injuries is more important than results in such games.
Probably the most baffling appointment in the history of football. How can you extrapolate from his slightly above-average performance at Everton that he is worthy of the hotseat at the biggest club in the world?
I would say he is out of his depth, and I wouldn't be sure that a few bad results early on while City and Chelsea get off to good starts wouldn't get the natives restless.
But time will tell I guess.
I would say he is out of his depth, and I wouldn't be sure that a few bad results early on while City and Chelsea get off to good starts wouldn't get the natives restless.
But time will tell I guess.
Reportedly rejecting 10m + Juan Mata for Wayne Rooney 
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Utter madness if true, this guy is destroying the club.
.Utter madness if true, this guy is destroying the club.
Think the key word there is "reportedly." Only the truly insane would reject such a proposition.
A lot of reliable sources are reporting it was either 10m + Luiz or 10m + Mata. Ok there's a big difference between the two and I don't get how such confusion has arisen, but it does seem reasonably likely that was the offer made.
the fact that they are 3rd favs after winning the prem by such a wide margin tells you what the market thinks
Moyes has clearly decided Rooney is going. However, I am sure he will do everything he can not to sell him to Mourinho.
I am no Moyes fan but he is a reasonably intelligent and he knows he could look clownish if he lets him
go to chelsea. I would expect Rooney to be inspired by Mourinho, get properly fit and have 3 fantastic years there. He would help them win trophies, very possibly the league and Moyes would lookm foolish.
For that reason expect Moyes to hold out if at all possible for him to be sold to Arsenal or abroad.
I am no Moyes fan but he is a reasonably intelligent and he knows he could look clownish if he lets him
go to chelsea. I would expect Rooney to be inspired by Mourinho, get properly fit and have 3 fantastic years there. He would help them win trophies, very possibly the league and Moyes would lookm foolish.
For that reason expect Moyes to hold out if at all possible for him to be sold to Arsenal or abroad.
jed.davison 17 Jul 13 11:43
Think the key word there is "reportedly." Only the truly insane would reject such a proposition.
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or maybe only the truly insane would offer such a proposition (since denied by chelsea)
Think the key word there is "reportedly." Only the truly insane would reject such a proposition.
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or maybe only the truly insane would offer such a proposition (since denied by chelsea)
Mata worth double Rooney's price tag. As usual it's the desperate journalists spouting off rubbish just to fill their newspapers.
A fit and inspired Rooney is more valuable than Mata end of.
And the last time Rooney was fit and inspired Mullah, this despite him being paid £250k a week?
A good rule I've found is, whatever Mullah says, automatically think the opposite. Even if your original thought was the same as his you should change tact asap
Time will tell how he can keep a large squad happy and morale high. At Everton he barely had a playing squad let alone be able to rotate. It will test him for sure.....
Nobody thought he was out of his depth . Fergie's record at Aberdeen was miles above anything Moyes has done.
How successful would Fergie have been if HE had been manager of Everton instead of Moyes?
How successful would Fergie have been if HE had been manager of Everton instead of Moyes?
How successful would Fergie have been if HE had been manager of Everton instead of Moyes
Ferguson wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes - he was a cheque book manager who got lucky with 5 top class players coming through at the same time. If he was Everton manager he would have had to sell them at less than their true worth
Ferguson wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes - he was a cheque book manager who got lucky with 5 top class players coming through at the same time. If he was Everton manager he would have had to sell them at less than their true worth
Jul 20, 2013 -- 10:32AM, toffee87 wrote:
How successful would Fergie have been if HE had been manager of Everton instead of MoyesFerguson wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes - he was a cheque book manager who got lucky with 5 top class players coming through at the same time. If he was Everton manager he would have had to sell them at less than their true worth
and the winner of the biggest ****g moron on betfair goes too........
When he first arrived in 2004, he was a slick, sophisticated avalanche of aggressive confidence and charisma. His high-profile spell at Real Madrid has visibly aged the Special One, and it appeared those dog days he endured there had taken their collective toll.
Mourinho was unprepared to offer the big headline. You could not have expected such a juxtaposed return. Where were the fireworks, the big red carpet and the fanfare? Shouldn't everyone have been sipping a nice glass of bubbly?
Well, it would appear that was something of a false dawn. José Mourinho is back; and he is certainly making sure one man in particular knows it.
Mourinho has always been one to partake in mind-games. Pre-match press conferences would always ultimately defer to a slagging match with Messrs Benitez, Wenger and Ferguson. It was something that the Portuguese relished, and offered the perfect headline opportunity to ensure the match build-up was dominated by Mourinho, and Mourinho alone. Redirecting pressure from the players and onto himself is something that the Blues boss does better than most.
Ferguson might have retired and Benitez might have buggered off (though not without one final earful of criticism), but Mourinho is still up for the fight. Surprisingly, he's had little to say about Arsenal. Perhaps he isn't concerned by them: "Nothing has changed with Arsenal", the Special One said. "In the eight years since I was here first, they still haven't won a trophy".
Whilst Wenger has seemingly escaped a scathing comment or two thanks to his own team's inadequacies, one man who has had to take a fair amount of criticism from Mourinho is the new Manchester United manager, David Moyes. In truth, Manchester United as a football club has become José's latest target. And oh, how small he has made that club look!
Mourinho is currently schooling Moyes and United. Not schooling in the convention sense. Schooling in terms of humiliation. And it all boils down to the Wayne Rooney situation.
José has absolutely pounced on Moyes after the former Everton boss made his first major faux-pas as United coach when he openly declared Rooney is considered second-choice - without a minute of competitive football being played. Not the best way of getting players on side, is it, David?
Mourinho has made sure Moyes acknowledges his error. Such an almighty ****-up has resulted in United CEO Ed Woodward returning home from the club's pre-season tour of Australia to deal with "urgent transfer news".
Whilst United insist it is nothing to do with the Rooney saga, and the press are doing their best to say it is to secure the supposedly imminent signing of Cesc Fabregas, one would suggest this is United trying to dig themselves out of a hole. Mainly because Barcelona's vice-president Jose Maria Bartome has said Cesc is going nowhere. Nice try, though.
Chelsea have struck a serious psychological blow without really even doing anything. Whilst there were rumours of a £10 million-plus-a-player bid (supposedly Juan Mata or David Luiz, but Chelsea have categorically quashed these rumours to make United look even more stupid), the Blues later confirmed a monetary bid - allegedly of £20 million - that was duly turned down by the current Premier League champions.
The fact that the official Chelsea website put this all up in writing was a very shrewd move. After the press' failed attempt to unsettle Chelsea over the future of Luiz and Mata, it made United's attempts to claw back some credibility look all the more humorously futile, and at the same time make it quite clear that Rooney is wanted at the club.
It has all left Wayne rather angry, and a little bit confused. Mourinho has warned against Rooney accepting second-choice status at Manchester United in a World Cup year. He has also gone on record as saying he "wants the player". Even for someone with Rooney's intelligence, such an equation is easy to work out. He's unwanted at Manchester United, and he wants out. Chelsea want him, and are willing to do business. As for the transfer, according to Mourinho the ball is firmly in United's court.
Whether Chelsea sign the player or not, this is a considerable mental triumph. United fans seem absolutely petrified of the prospect of a rejuvenated Rooney leading a Chelsea side consisting of some of the world's best young attacking talent, and he would no doubt be an improvement on the Blues' misfiring duo of Demba Ba and Fernando Torres.
But it is if Chelsea don't sign the player that the greatest damage will have been inflicted. This situation represents David Moyes' first test as Manchester United boss, and he has failed quite miserably. He now has his second-best player being talked up by the side that is favourite to win the Premier League title this season, and Rooney's head undoubtedly will have been turned by the allure of the Stamford Bridge club.
But should Wayne stay, United will have on their hands a sulking superstar costing them £250,000-a-week. So whilst José says that the decision is ultimately United's, unless the Red Devils can conjure up an alternate foreign suitor and sell him at a price equal to what Chelsea offer, the real truth of it is the United board and manager are currently dancing to whatever beat Mourinho decides.
Such is Mourinho's dominance over the Manchester club, supposedly everyone associated with Manchester United has been banned from talking about Wayne Rooney. Mourinho has wasted no time in mocking this action as well - in his press conference in Kuala Lumpur yesterday, the Special One told a reporter off for mentioning Rooney's name, and told him to stand at the back of the press conference with his face against the wall!
And you may ask where is Sir Alex Ferguson while all this is unfolding? - the answer may be that he is still bellowing in the 4th officials ear while Mourinho was slipping Modric on.
Mourinho was unprepared to offer the big headline. You could not have expected such a juxtaposed return. Where were the fireworks, the big red carpet and the fanfare? Shouldn't everyone have been sipping a nice glass of bubbly?
Well, it would appear that was something of a false dawn. José Mourinho is back; and he is certainly making sure one man in particular knows it.
Mourinho has always been one to partake in mind-games. Pre-match press conferences would always ultimately defer to a slagging match with Messrs Benitez, Wenger and Ferguson. It was something that the Portuguese relished, and offered the perfect headline opportunity to ensure the match build-up was dominated by Mourinho, and Mourinho alone. Redirecting pressure from the players and onto himself is something that the Blues boss does better than most.
Ferguson might have retired and Benitez might have buggered off (though not without one final earful of criticism), but Mourinho is still up for the fight. Surprisingly, he's had little to say about Arsenal. Perhaps he isn't concerned by them: "Nothing has changed with Arsenal", the Special One said. "In the eight years since I was here first, they still haven't won a trophy".
Whilst Wenger has seemingly escaped a scathing comment or two thanks to his own team's inadequacies, one man who has had to take a fair amount of criticism from Mourinho is the new Manchester United manager, David Moyes. In truth, Manchester United as a football club has become José's latest target. And oh, how small he has made that club look!
Mourinho is currently schooling Moyes and United. Not schooling in the convention sense. Schooling in terms of humiliation. And it all boils down to the Wayne Rooney situation.
José has absolutely pounced on Moyes after the former Everton boss made his first major faux-pas as United coach when he openly declared Rooney is considered second-choice - without a minute of competitive football being played. Not the best way of getting players on side, is it, David?
Mourinho has made sure Moyes acknowledges his error. Such an almighty ****-up has resulted in United CEO Ed Woodward returning home from the club's pre-season tour of Australia to deal with "urgent transfer news".
Whilst United insist it is nothing to do with the Rooney saga, and the press are doing their best to say it is to secure the supposedly imminent signing of Cesc Fabregas, one would suggest this is United trying to dig themselves out of a hole. Mainly because Barcelona's vice-president Jose Maria Bartome has said Cesc is going nowhere. Nice try, though.
Chelsea have struck a serious psychological blow without really even doing anything. Whilst there were rumours of a £10 million-plus-a-player bid (supposedly Juan Mata or David Luiz, but Chelsea have categorically quashed these rumours to make United look even more stupid), the Blues later confirmed a monetary bid - allegedly of £20 million - that was duly turned down by the current Premier League champions.
The fact that the official Chelsea website put this all up in writing was a very shrewd move. After the press' failed attempt to unsettle Chelsea over the future of Luiz and Mata, it made United's attempts to claw back some credibility look all the more humorously futile, and at the same time make it quite clear that Rooney is wanted at the club.
It has all left Wayne rather angry, and a little bit confused. Mourinho has warned against Rooney accepting second-choice status at Manchester United in a World Cup year. He has also gone on record as saying he "wants the player". Even for someone with Rooney's intelligence, such an equation is easy to work out. He's unwanted at Manchester United, and he wants out. Chelsea want him, and are willing to do business. As for the transfer, according to Mourinho the ball is firmly in United's court.
Whether Chelsea sign the player or not, this is a considerable mental triumph. United fans seem absolutely petrified of the prospect of a rejuvenated Rooney leading a Chelsea side consisting of some of the world's best young attacking talent, and he would no doubt be an improvement on the Blues' misfiring duo of Demba Ba and Fernando Torres.
But it is if Chelsea don't sign the player that the greatest damage will have been inflicted. This situation represents David Moyes' first test as Manchester United boss, and he has failed quite miserably. He now has his second-best player being talked up by the side that is favourite to win the Premier League title this season, and Rooney's head undoubtedly will have been turned by the allure of the Stamford Bridge club.
But should Wayne stay, United will have on their hands a sulking superstar costing them £250,000-a-week. So whilst José says that the decision is ultimately United's, unless the Red Devils can conjure up an alternate foreign suitor and sell him at a price equal to what Chelsea offer, the real truth of it is the United board and manager are currently dancing to whatever beat Mourinho decides.
Such is Mourinho's dominance over the Manchester club, supposedly everyone associated with Manchester United has been banned from talking about Wayne Rooney. Mourinho has wasted no time in mocking this action as well - in his press conference in Kuala Lumpur yesterday, the Special One told a reporter off for mentioning Rooney's name, and told him to stand at the back of the press conference with his face against the wall!
And you may ask where is Sir Alex Ferguson while all this is unfolding? - the answer may be that he is still bellowing in the 4th officials ear while Mourinho was slipping Modric on.
walofs
Whether Chelsea sign the player or not, this is a considerable mental triumph. United fans seem absolutely petrified of the prospect of a rejuvenated Rooney leading a Chelsea side consisting of some of the world's best young attacking talent, and he would no doubt be an improvement on the Blues' misfiring duo of Demba Ba and Fernando Torres
That's my favourite bit...
That's my favourite bit...
You guys really dont think Mourinho would get Rooney fit and inspired to produce his best form in years??????
why would he? rooney would be almost guaranteed to fall out with mourinho too.
Errr, because Rooney realises he has about 2-3 years left at the top, he wants to prove United wrong and just about every UK player who has played under Mourinho can barely contain how excited they are to play for him. Rooney is a `babyish' type who needs to be loved and Mourinho would give him that and let him know he is the main man. And that is why Mourinho is so set on him - he knows he will get the best out of him.
Jul 20, 2013 -- 10:32AM, toffee87 wrote:
How successful would Fergie have been if HE had been manager of Everton instead of MoyesFerguson wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes - he was a cheque book manager who got lucky with 5 top class players coming through at the same time. If he was Everton manager he would have had to sell them at less than their true worth
That's a bad one you've had there Toffee.
Cheque book manager that saw Aberdeen with a budget of tuppence beat Real Madrid to win a majopr European trophy.
He was lucky that 5 top class players came through from a system that he himself had completely overhauled since becoming manager, allied to signing the best goalkeeper in the world for the price of a Mars bar and an infant from Norway who he kept in his squad when the lad was only 8.
Aye - lucky fecker.
It is laughable the short term memory people who comment on football have.
Fergie would have been massive odds on to win a trophy for Everton if he had managed the club for the last 11 years. They would have finished comfortably in the upper regions of the league and have beaten the likes of Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool on a far more regular basis than Moyes ever did.
Fergie would have been massive odds on to win a trophy for Everton if he had managed the club for the last 11 years. They would have finished comfortably in the upper regions of the league and have beaten the likes of Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool on a far more regular basis than Moyes ever did.
Chelsea have the manager they deserve..a disgusting eye-gouging self publicist a-hole.
Isn't Moroninho a cheque book manager?.....i could be wrong of course.....someone will be along in a mo to list all the youth players he has brought though.....not to mention the superstars he has signed for next to nothing.
You have to be a at a club for more than 2 years to bring some youth through 
mightymoyes 20 Jul 13 14:04
why would he? rooney would be almost guaranteed to fall out with mourinho too.
Dont talk nonsense.
why would he? rooney would be almost guaranteed to fall out with mourinho too.
Dont talk nonsense.
lets face rooney is not the brightest now is he,all he wants to do is play football, if chelsea give him that he will be off.
wether he performs well is anybody,s guess
wether he performs well is anybody,s guess
The media have been exposed on Moyes. For 2 weeks they said: "Moyes must be getting encouragement from someone to keep bidding for Fabregas, despite them saying he's not for sale. He's not a fool, if he keeps bidding it's because someone is telling him you can get him"
Right now it seems he was a fool, because it seems Fabregas wasn't for sale, never was for sale, and Moyes was just wasting time making bids, when we should have been getting players in.
On top of this there is now noise how he's inherited the champions squad, and he doesn't need to improve to compete on all fronts. If he believes this, he's completely lost it. Does he even know what is going on in Europe right now? How far we are behind the big European teams.
The season starts in 2 weeks, and Moyes has bought no-one of note. I don't care if it's just Baines and Fellaini, just hurry up and bring them in, stop with wild goose chases on players you are never going to sign, and get to business.
Moyes is just a media creation, built up by Sky Sports, and proof that if the Sky bandwagon likes you, you can get built into something you're not.
Right now it seems he was a fool, because it seems Fabregas wasn't for sale, never was for sale, and Moyes was just wasting time making bids, when we should have been getting players in.
On top of this there is now noise how he's inherited the champions squad, and he doesn't need to improve to compete on all fronts. If he believes this, he's completely lost it. Does he even know what is going on in Europe right now? How far we are behind the big European teams.
The season starts in 2 weeks, and Moyes has bought no-one of note. I don't care if it's just Baines and Fellaini, just hurry up and bring them in, stop with wild goose chases on players you are never going to sign, and get to business.
Moyes is just a media creation, built up by Sky Sports, and proof that if the Sky bandwagon likes you, you can get built into something you're not.
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Watching the game nothing has changed at Man Utd except the manager.Could have been Fergie in the dugout though..
Hard to believe the stats though as Utd were far superior in every department.Goes to show what a load of bo llucks they are as could have been six or seven and Swansea scored via a Welbeck mistake...
Watching the game nothing has changed at Man Utd except the manager.Could have been Fergie in the dugout though..
Hard to believe the stats though as Utd were far superior in every department.Goes to show what a load of bo llucks they are as could have been six or seven and Swansea scored via a Welbeck mistake...
What a shock. Shockingly out of his depth in big games. Signed no-one. Tactically inept, strategically inept in the transfer market. A dinosaur who the game has passed by. Moyes out.
BBC Sport @BBCSport 7m
David Moyes: "From what I saw today, I'm more than happy with what I've got...I wouldn't be worried if I didn't add to the squad." #MUFC
Moyes out.
David Moyes: "From what I saw today, I'm more than happy with what I've got...I wouldn't be worried if I didn't add to the squad." #MUFC
Moyes out.
Ozil signing for Arsenal. What is Moyes doing? Moyes isn't fit to manage on Football Manager.
Usain Bolt's message to Moyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zK7ukEaR5cw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zK7ukEaR5cw
Sep 2, 2013 -- 1:58PM, n88uk wrote:
Usain Bolt's message to Moyes:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zK7ukEaR5cw
typical man utd fan usain bolt. no trace of a mancunian accent and has no idea about football!
I remember Fergie getting dogs abuse from the mancs fickle fans when he first became manager.
Moyes is far from out of his depth
The unspeaken truth of the matter is that Ferguson was allowed to get away with murder by the English authorities
Look at what happened at anfield last season.
LFC dominated the game but were on the wrong end of 3 big refereeing decisions so lost 2-1.
Same thing happened at Chelsea.
Moyes goes to Anfield, his team dominate yet the ref doesn't see the need to send off an LFC player nor give a pen to MUFC.
I am utterly convinced, that with his pal mike riley the head of referees, Ferguson had a massive input into match day officials and how they were to deal with opponents.
Its the only reason they finished 10 pts clear last year.
When Moggi was doing the same thing in Italy the Italians sent Juventus down a division and Moggi got a prison sentence
Ferguson was a fraud. His teams dominated through finance, corruption, cronyism. Everything but football ability.
He was an above average coach at best.
How many teams did Ferguson create that dominated Europe?
The true barometer of a great coach.
Zero.
After all a guy called Jurgen Bogs won 10 east german titles in a row with dynamo berlin in the 80s.
That's among the kind of people where fergusons legacy lies.
The great liars and bullies of sporting history.
In this day and age where coaches and managers are lucky to last 2 years, even pep can't take the heat at Barca. Moronho never sticks around for longer than 3 years.
Yet somehow we are supposed to believe that sir fluckerson was some kind of genius. The truth is he operated in his own little bubble. Under his rules and the FA were happy to let him get away with bullying the rest of English football for his own personal glory.
Moyes should take a leaf out of brian clough's book. 'You can take all your trophies, all your medals, all your pots and pans and throw them in the bin. Because you won them all through cheating.'
The unspeaken truth of the matter is that Ferguson was allowed to get away with murder by the English authorities
Look at what happened at anfield last season.
LFC dominated the game but were on the wrong end of 3 big refereeing decisions so lost 2-1.
Same thing happened at Chelsea.
Moyes goes to Anfield, his team dominate yet the ref doesn't see the need to send off an LFC player nor give a pen to MUFC.
I am utterly convinced, that with his pal mike riley the head of referees, Ferguson had a massive input into match day officials and how they were to deal with opponents.
Its the only reason they finished 10 pts clear last year.
When Moggi was doing the same thing in Italy the Italians sent Juventus down a division and Moggi got a prison sentence
Ferguson was a fraud. His teams dominated through finance, corruption, cronyism. Everything but football ability.
He was an above average coach at best.
How many teams did Ferguson create that dominated Europe?
The true barometer of a great coach.
Zero.
After all a guy called Jurgen Bogs won 10 east german titles in a row with dynamo berlin in the 80s.
That's among the kind of people where fergusons legacy lies.
The great liars and bullies of sporting history.
In this day and age where coaches and managers are lucky to last 2 years, even pep can't take the heat at Barca. Moronho never sticks around for longer than 3 years.
Yet somehow we are supposed to believe that sir fluckerson was some kind of genius. The truth is he operated in his own little bubble. Under his rules and the FA were happy to let him get away with bullying the rest of English football for his own personal glory.
Moyes should take a leaf out of brian clough's book. 'You can take all your trophies, all your medals, all your pots and pans and throw them in the bin. Because you won them all through cheating.'
Eliminate the impossible and whatever remains, however implausible, must be the truth.
How was 1 man allowed to stay in the supposed biggest job in English club football for 20 odd years?
The pressure to come up with results for these guys is immense, year in year out.
Look at Pep. Look at all the Liverpool managers, they never lasted 20 years.
The only logical conclusion is that English football has been run for the benefit of MUFC and particularly Ferguson.
Truth is Man Utd have been playing long ball counter attacking negative football ever since beckham left.
Especially against the bigger teams.
Ferguson, bitten by the failure of Veron and the attitude of van Nistelroy was too afraid to go into mainland Europe and buy genuine top class footballers.
HIs preferred M.O. was to tap up players from other EPL sides.
This explains MUFC ham fisted approach in the transfer market this summer.
I mean 25m for Fabregas to leave Barca, c'mon!
You really want him then bid 50 ffs.
Ferguson hasn't left MUFC in a bad state. It will be a seismic shock if they don't get in the top 4 but now MUFC are going to have to operate in the realpolitik of mainstream Europe now.
That means paying top price, and I mean 50m for the best players.
How was 1 man allowed to stay in the supposed biggest job in English club football for 20 odd years?
The pressure to come up with results for these guys is immense, year in year out.
Look at Pep. Look at all the Liverpool managers, they never lasted 20 years.
The only logical conclusion is that English football has been run for the benefit of MUFC and particularly Ferguson.
Truth is Man Utd have been playing long ball counter attacking negative football ever since beckham left.
Especially against the bigger teams.
Ferguson, bitten by the failure of Veron and the attitude of van Nistelroy was too afraid to go into mainland Europe and buy genuine top class footballers.
HIs preferred M.O. was to tap up players from other EPL sides.
This explains MUFC ham fisted approach in the transfer market this summer.
I mean 25m for Fabregas to leave Barca, c'mon!
You really want him then bid 50 ffs.
Ferguson hasn't left MUFC in a bad state. It will be a seismic shock if they don't get in the top 4 but now MUFC are going to have to operate in the realpolitik of mainstream Europe now.
That means paying top price, and I mean 50m for the best players.
The one potentially great team he built should have followed on from the 99 UCL team.
midfield of Keane, beckham, scholes plus gigs is probably the best seen in the EPL.
But that team underachieved in Europe.
And a lot of that was down to the coach.
They were counter attacked to death by Madrid in 2000 and Munich got their revenge in 2001.
IMO a truly great coach would have won more champions leagues with that team.
Instead he p1ssed beckham off, dilly dallied over retirement and was far more concerned with building his power base at home.
He will probably look at beating LFC 18 titles as some kind of earth shattering achievement. All that shows is a shift in power in English club football.
Dynamo Berlin all over again
midfield of Keane, beckham, scholes plus gigs is probably the best seen in the EPL.
But that team underachieved in Europe.
And a lot of that was down to the coach.
They were counter attacked to death by Madrid in 2000 and Munich got their revenge in 2001.
IMO a truly great coach would have won more champions leagues with that team.
Instead he p1ssed beckham off, dilly dallied over retirement and was far more concerned with building his power base at home.
He will probably look at beating LFC 18 titles as some kind of earth shattering achievement. All that shows is a shift in power in English club football.
Dynamo Berlin all over again
Unfair comparison. The EPL is a far more competitive league.
Competitve no
When England won the world cup in 66, then the division 1, that was a competitive league.
And Man U were the best team around under Matt Busby who was a much much better manager.
There were great teams around then. Even Newcastle won a European trophy around that time ffs.
People bang on about the bottom team in the EPL beating the top but what was noticeable were all the lickspittle mini-me fergusons who would enjoy breaking arsenal players legs but rollover and hand over 3 points when ever MUFc rolled into town.
All the Pulises, the likes of McLeish, Allardyce would happily do their master's bidding.
And it shouldn't go un-remarked that the thuggish approach of the likes of Stoke and Bolton was a leaf taken straight out of Ferguson's book whenever Wenger's Arsenal or Benitez Liverpool would turn up at old Trafford.
With referees like Riley or Webb happily playing along.
When England won the world cup in 66, then the division 1, that was a competitive league.
And Man U were the best team around under Matt Busby who was a much much better manager.
There were great teams around then. Even Newcastle won a European trophy around that time ffs.
People bang on about the bottom team in the EPL beating the top but what was noticeable were all the lickspittle mini-me fergusons who would enjoy breaking arsenal players legs but rollover and hand over 3 points when ever MUFc rolled into town.
All the Pulises, the likes of McLeish, Allardyce would happily do their master's bidding.
And it shouldn't go un-remarked that the thuggish approach of the likes of Stoke and Bolton was a leaf taken straight out of Ferguson's book whenever Wenger's Arsenal or Benitez Liverpool would turn up at old Trafford.
With referees like Riley or Webb happily playing along.
So Moyes' only signing in a transfer window is a guy he could have signed over a month ago for less money.
Moyes is the worst businessman since Gerald Ratner stood at the Institute of Directions and said "because it's total crap".
Moyes out.
Moyes is the worst businessman since Gerald Ratner stood at the Institute of Directions and said "because it's total crap".
Moyes out.
this Woodward guy doesn't seem like the sharpest operator either....
Yes the whole operation is a shambles. You've seen the same problem at Arsenal with bad Chief Executives.
I would love to know what they actually thought they were doing this Summer. Did they ever truly believe they could get Fabregas? Because all indication was it was a complete non-starter, but they persevered with it. Thiago? What really went on, seems we dithered and lost out. Why weren't we in the market for Ozil and/or the obvious players at Real Madrid that were going to be up on offer.
It seems strange because we've paid £5m more for a guy that we could have got for less in July. It screams he was nowhere near first choice then. But why? Most people expected us to end up with Baines and Fellaini from the offset. It almost feels like they were desperate to prove the naysayers wrong, that they could bring in big names, failed, and then fell back to a last resort of bringing in Fellaini.
Fellaini is a good player don't get me wrong, but he's only really one part of what we're missing. He's not really a creative midfielder. Why we were seemingly never interested in Ozil, the type of player we desperately crave is beyond me.
I would love to know what they actually thought they were doing this Summer. Did they ever truly believe they could get Fabregas? Because all indication was it was a complete non-starter, but they persevered with it. Thiago? What really went on, seems we dithered and lost out. Why weren't we in the market for Ozil and/or the obvious players at Real Madrid that were going to be up on offer.
It seems strange because we've paid £5m more for a guy that we could have got for less in July. It screams he was nowhere near first choice then. But why? Most people expected us to end up with Baines and Fellaini from the offset. It almost feels like they were desperate to prove the naysayers wrong, that they could bring in big names, failed, and then fell back to a last resort of bringing in Fellaini.
Fellaini is a good player don't get me wrong, but he's only really one part of what we're missing. He's not really a creative midfielder. Why we were seemingly never interested in Ozil, the type of player we desperately crave is beyond me.
Moyes is as tough as Fergie and will rule engerland for the foreseeable future. 
Moyes telling his team diving isn't what his teams do 
. Does this guy have a clue about winning games at the top level of management? Win at all costs.
Moyes out.
. Does this guy have a clue about winning games at the top level of management? Win at all costs.Moyes out.
thelatraps, I love the cut of your jib. Top posting.
Reading most of this post reminds me of listening to the Jewish prayer at the wailing wall. I imagine most of the posting has been done on laptops outside the wall of Old Trafford with each posting printed off and stuffed into the cracks that are now appearing in the crumbling walls.
I have not seen Utd lose so gracefully since Big Ron was in charge ,this is taking the p1ss and Moyes's team has given up .
What a shock, another big game, another loss.
The only good thing of this, is it looks near certain we won't finish top 4 this season. Which should mean the board have no option but to sack Moyes at the end of the season, and then he's only done 2 season's worth of damage.
Can't believe people genuinely ever thought Moyes was the right replacement.
The only good thing of this, is it looks near certain we won't finish top 4 this season. Which should mean the board have no option but to sack Moyes at the end of the season, and then he's only done 2 season's worth of damage.
Can't believe people genuinely ever thought Moyes was the right replacement.
Don't get me wrong I'm laughing my nuts off at todays result and know it was different circumstances when Fergie took over however how long would he have lasted and how much abuse would he of had from all the keyboard warriors on here. Given that Jose has come home who of that ilk could do a better job it is after all it's a poison chalice
In genuine disbelief at the crap Charlie Nicholas just spouted. How Moyes is a top manager, will come good and will be contending for big trophies this season. People still believe that .
I haven't seen one good quality in Moyes so far. Tactically an area he's supposedly strong in, he's shown himself to be completely inept so far at the top level.
.I haven't seen one good quality in Moyes so far. Tactically an area he's supposedly strong in, he's shown himself to be completely inept so far at the top level.
Scottish mafia protecting their own, Alan Brazil in the same mould.
ferdinand is clearly done. same situation at everton when he continued to play phil neville when everyone apart from them two knew he should retire.
worst start to a league campaign after six games since 1989-90.
United not scored from open play in the league since the opening day.
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David Moyes rejected Sir Alex Ferguson's advice to retain his Man Utd backroom team, claims Eric Steele. http://bit.ly/19P1pwp #MUFC
Yes David sacking a world class coaching team and replacing them with Phil Neville was a good move. This move highlights just how far out of his depth he was from the very beginning.
Moyes out.
David Moyes rejected Sir Alex Ferguson's advice to retain his Man Utd backroom team, claims Eric Steele. http://bit.ly/19P1pwp #MUFC
Yes David sacking a world class coaching team and replacing them with Phil Neville was a good move. This move highlights just how far out of his depth he was from the very beginning.
Moyes out.
n88uk - and who will you be supporting next? City or Chelsea. or will you wait until who is crowned champions and join in the celebrations?
started with Buttner, Evans & Anderson vs WBA and they got battered
how much does RVP regret moving to OT?
how much does RVP regret moving to OT?
Probably not at all judorick. He moved to Man Utd to win things, and in his first season he won the Premier League, which was probably his main target.
still say had he known SAF was going to leave after one season he wouldn't have gone
and if he were back at Arsenal do we think he would not have a chance to win things with OZil creating his chances?
Hindsight is 20:20 but some of what's happening was entirely predictable especially the post-SAF meltdown (which was discussed in length) and I reckon he would go back in a flash
and if he were back at Arsenal do we think he would not have a chance to win things with OZil creating his chances?
Hindsight is 20:20 but some of what's happening was entirely predictable especially the post-SAF meltdown (which was discussed in length) and I reckon he would go back in a flash
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10437739
/Manchester-United-v-Arsenal-I-rejected-chance-to-bring-Mesut-
Ozil-to-Old-Trafford-in-summer-says-David-Moyes.html
Why would you admit to this? It's like saying "I don't have a clue what I am doing".
/Manchester-United-v-Arsenal-I-rejected-chance-to-bring-Mesut-
Ozil-to-Old-Trafford-in-summer-says-David-Moyes.html
Why would you admit to this? It's like saying "I don't have a clue what I am doing".
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