How many European cups would Forest, Liverpool and Villa would have won in the 70/80´s...

Its hard to say if we take a current side like United who have had pretty decent funds available, what some say the greatest manager in the world, and 25 consecutive attempts to win it resulting in two victories Its hard to imagine

Forrest and villa have not competed in the comp since then, and liverpool have reached 2 more finals with wahts widely excepted as a poor team and manager

Si I guess the team that dominated fotball back then would probably have won it about another 7 times

back then the european cup was just for league champions but

im pretty sure the 2nd, 3rd and fourth placed teams in countries like England, Spain and Italy had better players and a better team than the league champions of counties like Sweden, Austria, Romania and Croatia

its much harder today, it's about 5 matches longer and contains the very best teams in europe no a fraction of them,

Liverpool´s route to their first European Cup final in 1977....


R1 Crusaders
R2 Trabzonspor
QF Saint-Étienne
SF Zürich

Not extactly any big guns in there, and only 5 rounds to play.

Saint Etienne would have been the nizzles back in 1977, and Zurich would have been the Swiss national side.  But point taken.

Playing the Yugoslav national team in their own back yard would have been tougher than playing away to FC Porto these days imo.

and with gladbach i think in that decade between 1970 - 1980 they got to 5 european finals , and 5 league titles , i think they won a hatrick of titles in 76/77 , thinking about it they were **** werent they twatter twatter ?? you are absolutely clueless

I agree that the Champions League is harder to win, but people are under rating some of the teams involved back then.

Champ League all came about because Madrid and Juventus got drawn together in an early round back in 1987 and Juve threw their toys out of the pram when they lost.

Remember when the early Champ League had TWO group stages? 

Im sure if we fast forward 30 years people will be asking was it easier to win the prem league in the 90s and oos

Hmmmm I must have woken up the Neanderthals...

Im not saying that Liverpool win was no achievement.....a small achievement maybe yes.

Its a good job Im not fishing.

....and Zurich would have been the Swiss national side


Hmm.. how many time Switzerland won the world cup or the Euro´s

Just face it football back in the day was just a p1ss up...boozed up players from the night before trying not to puke up on the ball.

villa and forest had to beat liverpool(who were probally the best team in europe)over a season just to get into the competition

It was harder to win the old European cup than the current champions league. The fact that you had to win the league to get in it made it much harder.

If you are asking once you were in which competition was harder to win then it would be the champions league.

Football has changed massively since the old days of the 70s and 80s. As has been stated above clubs like Hadjuk Split or Brugges were much more competitive then than they are now. These days the top players in the smaller countries all leave for the big leagues back then the majority played for countries in their own leagues.

Only 18 years ago IFK Goteborg won a champions league group with Barca, Galatasaray and Utd in it. These days they would be lucky to get a point.

The teams that finished 2nd, 3rd, & 4th in their respective leagues entered into the EUFA Cup back in the 70's & 80's. Thus making it a much harder competition to win. Liverpool won it twice (1973 & 1976). The reason why Liverpool were dominant during those 2 decades is down to the fact that they were simply better than most, if not all, of the other European teams. They'd have been just as successful regardless of whatever format the European Cup took. Bob Paisley changed the way Liverpool played by doing away with wingers, & adopting a greater fluidity to the way his side played. Alex Ferguson has never been able to do the same. United's style of play, using wingers & width, has been very successful at home. But against the technically better players in Europe, they've quite often come unstuck. As a result, United fans look anywhere else but to the their own sides failings in Europe to see where the true problem lies.

Mrmeaner times have changed.Liverpool won trophies when most teams had mainly local players.As a previous poster has stated it was effectively "The luck of the draw" and that is not to knock their achievements.

To state that Man Utd have somehow underachieved when Liverpool beat the mighty Crusaders/Trabsonpor/Saint Etienne and FC Zurich to reach a European Cup final is pathetic..
Manchester United could form 50 all time great teams to beat a single Liverpool one...

even fergie says that united have underachieved in europe

you don't need to say it home, clear as day sunbeam.

report away septic, joining the likes of Evra in running to someone else to fight his own battles

liverpool would have still won them, and maybe even more in the years we didnt win lge and came 2nd. people might forget(or be to young to appreciate) that we were the dominant team in europe, and were spanking everyone. we got burnt a few times, we were,nt totally invincible. it took a great performance to beat us though. in them days if you lost you were invariably out of comp, unlike now were you get a few 2nd bites at the cherry. theres not many teams from britain who can say they had a stranglehold on european football like we did.

so a united team with best,law,stiles,charlton,stepney etc could only win one european cup even though it was so easy to win.

Exactly, maybe that late 60's Utd team wasn't actually that great. Let's face it, they were relegated to the 2nd division by 1974 so they were hardly set to dominate Europe.

What about that West Ham team of the mid sixties that never won a game North of Watford and never climbed to the giddy heights of mid table and yet still formed the spine of the 1966 World Cup Team...

Different times....