Benefit culture reforms needed.

pfft you're easily fooled

banksters rolling billions defrauded all over the world and about to get another round of bonuses on the back of an inflationary bond bubble bulit on worthless paper

and you wanna blame the poor?

Feb 25, 2013 -- 8:13AM, judorick wrote:

pfft you're easily fooledbanksters rolling billions defrauded all over the world and about to get another round of bonuses on the back of an inflationary bond bubble bulit on worthless paperand you wanna blame the poor?

spot on ,,, hes fallen for the propaganda bullshit put out by the tori government by the order of the banks that fund the party

'' its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled''

this is the football forum, NA here.

Here we go its so easy to blame the royal family when the economy goes pear shaped.

Lazy dole scroungers & benefit cheats should be brought to task.
Its the genuinely disabled people with varying degrees of limited capacity being forced to compete for jobs you fear for.

Never claimed a pound here cause as soon as you do  it's a massive mark in your history whatever you do   I'd never employ someone whose been on benefits even if they had degrees rather have someone without qualifications whose tried hard at things

I'd never employ someone whose been on benefits

yes, EVERY person on benefits is lazy...

ffs

most benefits go on pensions and old people in care. we should just have a cull and get rid of everybody over 35. logans run stylee

A person on benefits due to no fault of their own & actively seeking employment could not be described as a lazy dole scrounger.

Feb 25, 2013 -- 1:36PM, mactheknife wrote:

Lazy dole scroungers & benefit cheats should be brought to task.Its the genuinely disabled people with varying degrees of limited capacity being forced to compete for jobs you fear for.

Exactly, but the government has tarred everyone on benefits with the same brush and it will come back to bite them.

Feb 25, 2013 -- 2:22PM, Srichaphan or Ancic? wrote:

Feb 25, 2013 --  7:36PM, mactheknife wrote:Lazy dole scroungers & benefit cheats should be brought to task.Its the genuinely disabled people with varying degrees of limited capacity being forced to compete for jobs you fear for.Exactly, but the government has tarred everyone on benefits with the same brush and it will come back to bite them.

No they haven't. In any case people on benefits religiously support Labour to keep benefits, that's why you find so many people on benefits.

Client vote as you can see above.

Seems the tory strategy of divide and rule is working.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of the Bankers and pay for the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s, the second richest man in Britain.

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson in the debate over The Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).

Benefit cheats are smart, wage slaves are foolish.  I am neither.  Paid to £9,000 and all tax repaid to it's rightful owner: me.

so the governments open the floodgates for all and sundry to come in in their millions meaning there is

less jobs available, and the incredible high applicants to one job means the employer is in the driving seat, then they can keep a lot of jobs to the minimum wage, which is places like London means you re practically left destitute and better off on the dole, its called being between a rock and a hard place, nobody really wants to be on the dole, it's depressing as u can imagine believe me,

Benefits attitudes survey

Q. What percentage of benefits is claimed by unemployed people?
Average response 33%
Actual answer 3%

Q. What percentage of benefits is fraudulently claimed?
Average response 25%
Actual answer 0.3%

Conclusion
A much smaller portion of benefit spend goes to unemployed 'scroungers' or to 'cheats' than most people perceive.

Whenever a politician talks about scroungers or benefit cheats ask yourself what they aren't telling you.

dont know much about the benefit system as ive been quite fortunate and always been in work.but i begrudge the government sending 21 million to them gun toteing syrians,they are the scroungers.

oh dear....people getting indiscriminately slaughtered in their own homes are 'scroungers' now ...why may have the decent standard of living here but we sure aint got the brains

loadedgimp
26 Feb 13 02:19

Benefit cheats are smart, wage slaves are foolish.  I am neither.  Paid to £9,000 and all tax repaid to it's rightful owner: me.


in which case, your use of the highways, street lighting, refuse collection services, any direct or indirect use of the emergency services, etc etc amounts to theft on your part...good luck disposing of your garbage by your own devices on a weekly basis....would love it if these idiots that think they should pay no tax had to 'go it alone' for a while...let's see how they get on in a car wreck without any assistance

Feb 26, 2013 -- 4:13AM, duncan idaho wrote:

loadedgimp26 Feb 13 02:19Benefit cheats are smart, wage slaves are foolish.  I am neither.  Paid to £9,000 and all tax repaid to it's rightful owner: me.in which case, your use of the highways, street lighting, refuse collection services, any direct or indirect use of the emergency services, etc etc amounts to theft on your part...good luck disposing of your garbage by your own devices on a weekly basis....would love it if these idiots that think they should pay no tax had to 'go it alone' for a while...let's see how they get on in a car wreck without any assistance

Chance would be a fine thing.

Over simplifying things but Camden council have got rid of weekly refuse collection and spent the money on a memorial to Lenin. Worth the world I'm sure you'll agree.

Cull them like seal ions   
Every April  tax payers get to club a certain number depending on how much you pay

I exclude single mothers who I think should be payed much more and not harassed as its the only way many can get a roof over their heads

I exclude single mothers who I think should be payed much more and not harassed

Totally agree, thanks to benefits, my gran can afford to hire a room for her 30th.

You may want to exclude single mothers,I don't.
Up and down  the country,in every village and town,there are young girls getting pregnant,sometimes unsure of who the father is,getting housed,getting full support of all benefits available,which is a massive drain on the system.Not only that,they often get pregnant again,getting even more support.
  Selfish,and totally irresponsible,and that has zero to do with bankers and the banking system.It is a serious issue,that has been in existance for years,but is getting worse.
  Perhaps they wouldn't be in such a hurry to get pregnant if there wasn't a house,or flat,in it for them.
It is costing the country a huge amount.

Benefits for all for 16 years until the offsprings leave school.A total shambles!

Labour party let it go unchecked for 20 years.

I know plenty young guys zapping about in brand new cars claimed on their parents disability allowance.

Also i know lots of people who were hard working till they actually went on benefits and realised how much they could actually get .No rent,no worries ,no getting up at 6am.

Never sure why people with children are given money because they have children anyway. The people who are given money should be the ones who cant afford the bring up their children i.e. the ones who are not working or disabled. Why should everyone get money for it? Stupid system. Disability benefits should be maintained, not made difficult to get. Jobseeker's allowance should be maintained, but the amount of money reduced. The main problem people on benefits have is that if their JSA, ESA or DLA is stopped, they cannot afford housing - the amount of money from the actual benefit is not that important - the fact that they are on the benefit enables them to have their housing benefit/council tax benefit paid. That is the main thing, and the removal of those benefits causes their housing money etc. to stop, which is the thing that is causing lots of problems. JSA should not be 75 ish every week, it should be less than 50 a week - do you have to spend £75 on food and drink for yourself each week? No. But even getting less than 50, they are then still allowed to get housing and council tax paid for, which is correct. If they did this reduction in amount of JSA, there would be no need to stop any benefits other than those who have been proven to be working at the same time as claiming.

If you want to see the real effects of what the government is doing -

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/11/disabled-man-dies-after-atos-stops-benefits-chris-grayling/

They won't tell you about things like this. They are too busy trying to fool you into thinking that everyone on benefits is a cheat.

It is an absolute disgrace, and although I am not by any means a supporter of Labour, I will never vote Conservative, nor Liberal Democrat again.

Funny thing is i know at least 4 people who were claiming benefits ,mostly for bad backs.

They have all made a miracle recovery since their benefits were cut and are quite happily back working.

lol loads of people getting there knickers in a twist over what is essentially a red herring

unbelievable that so many people see some propaganda sht on bbc news and then  go about there lives not only believing it but being emotionally effected by it

brain-dead sheeple is all you are 

''it is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled''

over and out

Its because they are selfish. They are the 'I hate my job and if someone gives me a story about other people getting money for free, it gives me the right to take my anger out on other people even though I know the story is probably not correct' brigade.

They like to feel 'wronged'. Try being put in the position of a disabled person for a day, then they would know what feeling wronged is actually like.

Yeah it's the people with nothing causing all the financial problems, goddamn all those dolers who were working in banking and finance on the side, and then brought the entire system crashing down by blowing billions on scratch cards...

Maybe we should bring to account all those people who caused all this mess, oh know, we can't they're all protected from persecution from the men behind the curtain, and of course we gave them huge bonuses for ****g everything up for the rest of us.

Jesus, people are so stupid. The Cameron's of the world are laughing at cretins like you who will believe anything because it allows you to indulge your bile and superiority over others who are really in the same boat as you, do you think the elites think you're anything more than sheep?

The next time a politician says 'the British public are not stupid' you know what they actually mean is the opposite.

Feb 26, 2013 -- 10:24AM, shudacuda wrote:

Funny thing is i know at least 4 people who were claiming benefits ,mostly for bad backs.They have all made a miracle recovery since their benefits were cut and are quite happily back working.

Thats brilliant..And now the 4 jobs they took arent there anyway so another 4 people will sign on because the economy is fukd.
Cannot wait untill the new EU laws come in and we see a couple million more eastern europeans move here, claim money from the pot and dry up the already non existent job pool. For good measure, it will be great when they send the money back to their family in their native country taking further money out of the economy.

It is people with mental problems that the government is damaging the most because their system is designed around people with physical disabilities.

The Romanians are coming.

I try to avoid all contact with anyone who may be on benefits. Most very untrustworthy and always scrounging cigarettes and drinks

Thank the lord no one from the betfair forum makes prime minister. The nation would be reduced to rubble inside a month.

unbiased     26 Feb 13 15:44 
Benefits for all for 16 years until the offsprings leave school.A total shambles!
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if you're gonna mouth off about something you might want to check your facts first. income support is only paid to single parents until the child reaches age 7.

Feb 26, 2013 -- 1:31PM, mightymoyes wrote:

unbiased     26 Feb 13 15:44  Benefits for all for 16 years until the offsprings leave school.A total shambles!---------------if you're gonna mouth off about something you might want to check your facts first. income support is only paid to single parents until the child reaches age 7.

Child benefit.

child benefit is paid to anyone with children, single parent or not. so anyone with a kid is a benefit scrouger then?

Feb 26, 2013 -- 1:39PM, mightymoyes wrote:

child benefit is paid to anyone with children, single parent or not. so anyone with a kid is a benefit scrouger then?

Nobody suggested that.

If I earn £10,000,000 per annum and you earn £15,000 why should you contribute to the upkeep of my child?

i agree they shouldnt. but this isnt a recent thing and you're talking a minuscule amount of the benefit bill.