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Report isright December 13, 2012 2:19 AM GMT
argentines are G*Y - just as the chileans say
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:19 AM GMT
Something has clearly kicked off in the changing rooms. I wouldn't be surprised if this game wasn't replayed. However CONMEBOL - unlike our own beloved FA - took a very quick decision.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
you sure on river, bingo?
Report milla445 December 13, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
The more I'm hearing about it, the more I'm thinking fair play to Tigre. It's supposed to be a ****g game, not downtown Beirut.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
argentines g*y
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
we have the falklands because they are cowards
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:23 AM GMT

Dec 13, 2012 -- 2:21AM, milla445 wrote:


The more I'm hearing about it, the more I'm thinking fair play to Tigre. It's supposed to be a ****g game, not downtown Beirut.


I possibly agree. I certainly think it's unfair on them that they've had the tie awarded against them so quickly.

Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
bad news people had an email back from Betfair: Markets in the Sao Paulo v CA Tigre match were suspended due to suspected security problems.

The game will now be subject to the Betfair 3 day rule.
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
Out of interest what would BF do in the instance that a team receives 4 red cards game is finished and the other team wins 3-0. Would BF pay out on bets?
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
how can it go to three days when they know it has been full timed?
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
tell me about it :(
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
WTF!?!?Angry
Report milla445 December 13, 2012 2:25 AM GMT
River v Belgrano definitely paid out - I remember there was lots of seething about it on the match fred at the time, including by myself. San Martin v Velez this year was voided though.

The riots started late on in the River game though, so it's not really comparable to this situation.
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:25 AM GMT
there still allowing time for the game to be replayed even tho it will not.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:25 AM GMT
if you have precedent..
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
Three-day rule does not mean it definitely will take three days to settle, but that it could take up to three days.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
they are trying to fudge
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
Have they not just seen the South American FA president award the trophy to SP!?!
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
well we'll see, every time its happened to me its been just more than 2 days at least... so not happy really... should be some common sence. The games finished and result decided, lets crack on not have a game suspended for f**kin ages
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
agreed - betfair should grow up!
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
I know its slightly different but I wonder how the bookies have dealt with this?
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
apparently bet365 has paid out to a SP win
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
Just reading some background, it sounds like the stadium security staff assaulted the Tigre players then the police came in and pointed their guns at the Tigre players!
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:30 AM GMT

Dec 13, 2012 -- 2:28AM, Darlo Bantam wrote:


Just reading some background, it sounds like the stadium security staff assaulted the Tigre players then the police came in and pointed their guns at the Tigre players!


FIFA really should threaten them with international ban or something.. Too much corruption over a game of football, mainly over betting scandals...

Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
One of the Tigre officials told Fox he filmed the incident but then deleted it. Perhaps something is lost in translation but that does sound mental.
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
It's 12:30 am in SP so no official statements are going to be released at this time

Can't see BF sorting this out until tomorrow night at the earliest
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
as if you would delete incriminating evidence
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
I WANT MY MONEY!!!
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:32 AM GMT
I'd layed Tigre I just want my stake back before Sunday!Surprised
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
I wanted it for friday at least....
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
that must be a big stake - i backed SP at 1.40
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
didnt you think about cashing out at 2-0 isright?
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
It is simple - tigre went to wreck the game; completely failed and refused to come out. I didnt cash out but reduced my liability by back tigre when the went out
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
I WANT MY MONEY!!!
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
ahhh.... damn dude... well lets hope someone intelligent at betfair sorts this
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:36 AM GMT
well frasier is on at 3.45 so that will calm me down
Report scaredmoney December 13, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
must be thinking of different games just looked it up - this match was payed out

27/06/2011   Soccer / River Plate v Belgrano


Think that was the play off game bingo.....off the top of my head,Velez Sarsfield were involved in the game im on about

could be wrong though
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
lol :D
Report Psilocybin December 13, 2012 2:39 AM GMT

addicted's blog




I'd layed Tigre I just want my stake back before Sunday!


Well, it's not like u deserve to get it back so I wouldn't complain!
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
Did it suspend bang on half time? When the scuffle started on the pitch or did I miss a chance to green at the break? I realise I will probably not get the green but at least my stake wouldn't be tied up
Report freddythefrog December 13, 2012 2:40 AM GMT
the differential is...refusing to play versus game abandoned for weather, crowd, floodlights etc
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:40 AM GMT
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I'd layed Tigre I just want my stake back before Sunday!

Well, it's not like u deserve to get it back so I wouldn't complain!


Erm the team I layed were losing 2-0 last time I checked and I was winning, why shouldn't I expect my stake back!?!
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
for technical purposes if the ref blows for full time at whatever point, then that surely means, from a technical point, that he considers the game to have gone 90mins and injury time. That is what constitutes a ful time. Agree anyone?
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
Tigre making complaints to officials and police now according to twitter

Not going to be resolved anytime soon
Report milla445 December 13, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
How can you possibly have 90 minutes play when one team doesn't come out for the second half? Crazy
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:46 AM GMT
from the principle that a full time implies 90mins. so if he blows for full time it is for administration purposes considered 90mins
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
addicted: It suspended when the brawl broke out and then reopened. It suspended again about a minute or so after the commentator said it was abandoned. It did give people plenty of time to reduce their liability. As soon as he said it was abandoned I cancelled all my unmatched bets.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
i went to make beans on toast - i saw non of this
Report milla445 December 13, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
I have sympathy that you're not going to get paid out - I'm in the same boat - but I'd give up searching for a loophole, there's no way this is going to be anything other than voided.
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
Cheers Darlo

I went to grab a drink and come back for a nice relaxing second half Laugh
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
i cant agree, if i do, then the betfair aparachiks will use it against me
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:51 AM GMT
Apparently, Tigre were assaulted before the match, weren't allowed to warm up, and it seems the referee took the decision to call the game off.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
The ref put his hands up in the air and blew the whistle - full time
Report milla445 December 13, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
Can someone please dust off the head in hands man?
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 2:54 AM GMT
Lol.
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:54 AM GMT
in the literature it says '90 minutes of play according to the match officials' ... if he blows the whistle for full time he considers it 90mins! Am i right or am i right?
Report isright December 13, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
You love me really.
Report addicted December 13, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
I hate having to deposit at the best of times but I begrudge having to do it because of the 3 day rule Crazy

I just wish BF make a swift decision and void or pay out. Gonna be a joke if we have to wait a few days and then they just void it anyway.

Surely with everything that has gone on tonight they won't be able to arrange a replay without a thorough investigation first.
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
Sao Paulo lawyers are claiming that Tigre tried to raid the Sao Paulo changing room before the security got involved.
Report addicted December 13, 2012 3:14 AM GMT
The Tigre video must have been deleted because there was something incriminating against them
Report isright December 13, 2012 3:16 AM GMT
just been talking to a guy on betfair and he says that if conmebol declare it as a two nil win for sao paulo then he believes that they will settle bets with that result.
Report scaredmoney December 13, 2012 3:21 AM GMT
you were probs talking to a suspend monkey on a tea break
Report addicted December 13, 2012 3:21 AM GMT
Both teams are now on their winter breaks so there won't be a desperate need to rush the rematch if there is one.

The second half could be played in the first week in Jan no problem after the lawyers have fought it out
Report scaredmoney December 13, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
and you would get more sense out of a monkey tbf
Report addicted December 13, 2012 3:24 AM GMT
nice 27 hour drive home for the Tigre fans
Report isright December 13, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
Press are reporting as sao paulo awarded trophy...no need to talk about lawyers, though; like they have the rule of law over there!
Report grrrrrowl December 13, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
tbh there is no rule governing this kind of mess and no precedent of a game being awarded at half time. Therefore common sense dictates that the goal/score markets be voided. Probably the match/handicap markets too if they have any sense.
Report isright December 13, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
guy i spoke to was australian...if that helps?
Report Darlo Bantam December 13, 2012 3:28 AM GMT
Don't worry. They won't.
Report isright December 13, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
just to say - they may arrest you for that comment
Report FedPT December 13, 2012 3:36 AM GMT
in other news

http://tvig.ig.com.br/noticias/brasil/casal-fazendo-sexo-na-praia-de-ipanema-causa-polemica-8a49802639368a22013a7570f65f34fd.html
Report isright December 13, 2012 3:45 AM GMT
still furious
Report addicted December 13, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
Club Atlético Tigre @ catigreoficial
The game is stopped by the referee and not by CONMEBOL. According Osses, Tiger refuses to play the ST.
Report addicted December 13, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
Copa Sudamericana @ CBS_oficial
Latest tweets referring to the topic: The decision to suspend and crown @ SaoPauloFC , Enrique Osses is the judge, not the @ CONMEBOLcom .
Report addicted December 13, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
Copa Sudamericana @ CBS_oficial
Match finished by Judge Osses. @ SaoPauloFC beat @ catigreoficial 2x0 and Champion @ CBS_oficial 2012. pic.twitter.com/DibHfZ7J
Report addicted December 13, 2012 4:03 AM GMT
CONMEBOL official twitter
Conmebol @ CONMEBOLcom
@ SaoPauloFC is the new champion of the # CopaBridgestoneSudamericana ! http:// bit.ly / RqcyzV
Report isright December 13, 2012 4:27 AM GMT
then i win
Report cahax0r December 13, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
*yawn* anyone wish we never got involved in this damn match ;)
Report marychain1 December 13, 2012 8:13 AM GMT
My two bets on the match were +1.5 first half goals which has been correctly settled and 3-1 @15.5 which was in with a shout when I went to sleep after the first bet came in.
Report wooky December 13, 2012 8:40 AM GMT
this match was over 8 hours ago and my under 4.5 goals bet is still on my current bets list and I haven't been paid. What's the hold up??
Report Scottishcampbel December 13, 2012 9:25 AM GMT
SO any news on when the markets will be settled?
Report Betfair Community Manager 2 December 13, 2012 9:29 AM GMT
I'm trying to find out folks - soon as I know something, I'll post it.
Report comicbookguy December 13, 2012 9:31 AM GMT
No notice of what happening with the match but plenty news on Kauto Star leaving his Stable? Went to bed they were 2 up woke up expecting to see nice balance when seen not there thought they must have been beat. Hope it gets settled as wanted good bet on Chelsea at 1.5.
Report punter41 December 13, 2012 9:32 AM GMT
I BACKED SP -1.5. WILL I BE PAID AS OBVIOUSLY CALLED OFF AT HALF TIME ALTHOUGH WAS IMMEDIATELY DECLARED FULLTIME RESULT, EVEN ON BETFAIR IN PLAY?
Report comicbookguy December 13, 2012 9:40 AM GMT
Backed with Ladbrokes and the winnings were there at 8am when I checked so hope thats a good sign for any Sao backers.Cant believe they take this long to get it sorted.Should be set rules in place.
Report Scottishcampbel December 13, 2012 9:40 AM GMT
Its a full time result, they are champions, its being reported everywhere except on betfair that the result of 2-0 stands
Report yoyotrader December 13, 2012 9:58 AM GMT
Guys ,  "Betfair rules" states the following:
" If a match starts but is later abandoned or postponed and is not completed (i.e. 90 minutes of play according to the match officials, plus any stoppage time) within three days of the scheduled start date, all bets will be void except for those on markets which have been unconditionally determined. "
It happened many times in the past and bets were settled according to this rule.
Report Scottishcampbel December 13, 2012 10:06 AM GMT
So when were they settled? All my bank is tied into this match at the moment
Report punter41 December 13, 2012 10:13 AM GMT
JUST SPOKE TO CUSTOMER SERVICES. THEY'RE WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION OF THE RESULT FROM THE OFFICIAL AUTHORITIES ALTHOUGH I WATCHED THE TROPHY BEING PRESENTED WHICH LOOKED QUITE OFFICIAL!! ALSO TOLD THEY EXPECT ALL MARKETS TO BE VOIDED. WHY CAN'T GAMES BE ABANDONED WHEN I'M LOSING!
Report beeley20090 December 13, 2012 10:28 AM GMT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/13/copa-sudamericana-final-aband...
Report Newmanix December 13, 2012 10:32 AM GMT
just emailed me, that the bets are voided! koontz.
Report beeley20090 December 13, 2012 10:32 AM GMT
yes if its abandoned then even tho the team was givent the trophy its not a result according to match rules
Report beeley20090 December 13, 2012 10:33 AM GMT
all markets closed now
Report grrrrrowl December 13, 2012 10:35 AM GMT

Dec 13, 2012 -- 9:40AM, comicbookguy wrote:

Backed with Ladbrokes and the winnings were there at 8am when I checked so hope thats a good sign for any Sao backers.Cant believe they take this long to get it sorted.Should be set rules in place.


Not saying you're lying but when I checked the results on the Laddies website it shows everything bar the half time markets as voided

Report jin_kazz December 13, 2012 10:38 AM GMT
betfair returned my money

overs bets voided
Report Scottishcampbel December 13, 2012 10:39 AM GMT
Refunded money, I had Sau Paulo to win at 1.36
Report Manor-Blade December 13, 2012 11:33 AM GMT
wasn't involved in this but what is extremely annoying is the river belgrano match was stopped at the 87th minute (i was involved in that game) yet betfair still settled even though 90 minutes weren't played.

they can't just change the rules when they feel like it surely
Report internet December 13, 2012 1:00 PM GMT
I had redded out for a 6.2k loss thank you crazy gun men and tigre players Grin
Report thecookiemonster December 13, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
sounds like i should have stayed up, i layed 00 ht and got paid anyways
Report Just Checking December 14, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
Surprised there's no comment I can see on the forum for the REASON for this match being abandonded?!

Tigre are saying that the Sau Paulo security came into the dressing room at HT, whacked them with batons and threatened them with guns, so they refused to play on!!!!
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