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Are all the matches fixed in all sport we watch. Is every game just a con. Are we all betting and buying into fake games on every match we ever watch? Is every game of football, Tennis, Boxing etc etc all just set up the same way as Wrestling? to benefit all the main parties involved. I have serious reason to believe so. Your views please!!!!
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Dont be daft! I am not saying it doesnt happen from time to time but to say EVERY MATCH is fixed in every sport sounds...well what do you think it sounds like?
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With a small amount of internet research it is fairly straightforward to establish sporting events where all might not seem as it appeared. What does surprise me is the lack of media coverage on such issues, particularly tv broadcasters...this to me stinks more of a cover-up than possibly some of the events themselves as bringing the sport(s) into dispute could, and probably would, impact on the commercial gains they make from the sport. I can only think of a handful of programs relating to sports fixing and many go without mention.
Recent notable contributions come from Matias Almeyda's autobiography who played for 4 clubs in Italy. Whilst it is nothing knew that Italian football falls under scrutiny in the book he reveals the use of intravenous drips before games. In his book he stated they said it was a mixture of vitamins but before entering the field he was "able to jump as high as the ceiling" ! and some former players now have heart problems which he believes were a result of substances given to them. He also went on to mention he believed a match between Parma and Roma in 2001 was fixed by some of his team-mates, a result which meant Roma pipped Juve to the title. Others include the Napoli match fixing scandal and the fixing of their match with Sampdoria in 2010 - "The FIGC can confirm that, following an investigation by the public prosecutor of Naples, the federal prosecutor will open disciplinary proceedings in relation to the Sampdoria-Napoli match of 16 May, 2010," read a FIGC statement. "Matteo Gianello, Napoli's former player, and Silvio Giusti, Napoli's former coach, are accused of violating Article 7 [sections 1, 2 and 5] of the sporting code of justice. "Between them, they are accused of attempting to alter the outcome of the match to secure a victory for Sampdoria in exchange for money. [They are] also accused of having approached colleagues Paolo Cannavaro and Gianluca Grava, from whom they received a refusal. |
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another fix in the russian league. Zenit V CSKA
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nah i think this is just two very efficient sides cancelling each other out tbh
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yea no fix once the odds came back to where it should've been way way befre kick off
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Yes but what I am saying is probably like 95% of games in all sport faked and rehearsed the similar way to wrestling but its a cover up for all parties involved? How much % of games do you think are? Boxing, football, tennis?? and more. Do you think Ricky Hatton faked the knockout for more publicity?
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it's only FIX if you lose
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I agree, it's all arranged by seven foot lizards.
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No I don't know about that I reckon football matches and also other sports sit down rehearse whos going to score and when just exactly like the wrestling also same for boxing. Scripted but we are lied too!!!
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gambling firms put money into sport and sports teams,to think the gambling firms do not have influence on their investments would be naive or stupid.
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Is fishing scripted too?
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I believe it might happen mostly in individual sports, like horses, tennis, golf and such. I think it would be hard to buy 11 players, but it might happen.
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He also went on to mention he believed a match between Parma and Roma in 2001 was fixed by some of his team-mates, a result which meant Roma pipped Juve to the title.
He would say that, he played for Lazio  |
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i'm of the belief that certain sports that are tailored to gambling have a tendency to attract a certain amount of skulldugery [we all have views on horses dogs etc] and indivisual sports [snooker tennis boxing etc] have been abused on occasion, but i have my doubts that team sports have been widely fixed.
i reckon if it was widespread there would have been loads of whistleblowing once the participants had retired and been short of a few quid. the fact that they rarely come to light suggests they are not widespread. or am i being naive and that are just particulary good at covering them up. |
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if most games were not fixed the best team would never lose if you have ever played at a lower level you will know there are never any shock results why should it be any different at top level unless dark forces are at work
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that's nonsense.
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As a lot footballers are thick and struggle to follow basic instructions, this seems incredibly unlikely.
And the obvious question to the OP, where's your evidence? Why ask the question? |
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"Soccer match fixing has become a massive worldwide crime, on par with drug trafficking, prostitution and the trade in illegal weapons. As in those criminal enterprises, the match-fixing industry has been driven by opportunistic greed. According to Interpol figures, sports betting has ballooned into a $1 trillion industry, 70 percent of which is gambled on soccer. The explosive growth reflects the rise of online gambling, which has turned local bookies into global merchants, flooded by money from every continent. Asian bookmakers alone see a $2 billion weekly turnover, according to Eaton. "It's now one huge liquid market," says David Forrest, an economics professor at the University of Salford in Manchester, England, who specializes in the study of sports gambling. "Liquidity is the friend of the fixer. You can put down big bets without notice and without changing the odds against yourself."
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Door, of course there are shock results at all levels, but why would it be different at a higher level?...First of of course there are fixes, I have watched fixed games...But not every shock result is a fix. At the top level, you still have professional players even in smaller teams who are capable of executing a game plan, following instructions to the last detail and knowing exactly what it is to play in a team.
At a lower level you often comes across good players, who could step up if they could understand what it is to play as a team, 11 players on the same wave length for 90 mins. You will also see players who understand the game perfectly and understand how to play as a team but the players around them fail to do so, again breaking the team structure and thats one of the reasons shock results may not happen as often lower down, but they still happen |
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Games where the clubs and players are under no financial pressure are unlikely to be fixed.
There's one European team which I firmly believe organizes the outcome of certain events in each game they play in advance, in doing so they remain in existence. Are all the games they play in fixed? No. |
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all the large bookmaking firms have departments that flag up irregular betting patterns.and the rwards for success are so much greater
and for these two reasonsi would venture that most sports are straighter than they've ever been. that's not to say that we still don't get the odd "crooked heat" |
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where there is so much money up for grabs its foolish to think noone is at it on a massive scale why do you think players get such good wages
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I dont believe anyone is saying otherwise door, but you tried to claim that any shock result must be a fix, that comes across as a bit retarded
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as it most accept it does happen but not every result
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"Beginning in the mid-1990s, Chinese criminal organizations, known as triads, seized on that opening to fund a global match-fixing operation and manipulate bookies around the world. Why was China ground zero? The country's booming economy and culture of risk-taking has fostered the world's most rabid gambling market. But to take advantage of soccer betting worldwide, Chinese triads needed emissaries to plant match-fixing schemes abroad -- men fluent in English who could travel on a trusted passport. So the triads tapped criminal organizations in Singapore, Asia's westernized business hub and a country perceived as far less corrupt than China.
From the ranks of the Singapore syndicate emerged the smoothest operator of them all: Wilson Raj Perumal. A handsome, charismatic former petty criminal and runner for the syndicate, Perumal found his calling as a globe-trotting fixer. He didn't have to look hard for targets: Take 10,000 teams and multiply by the number of players per squad -- then add referees, club officials and federation administrators. To a skilled fixer, almost anyone could be had for the right price. Using agents like Perumal, Chinese and Singaporean syndicates were so successful at fixing matches, they called into doubt the very integrity of the game" |
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Kanu200000 / OldGold
Remember the saying ' If you can't rubbish the content , rubbish the author ' I think there is so much fiddling going on in individual sports like Darts and Snooker because of the gambling aspect and the prize money that is available to the people down the bottom of the ladder who have a lot of running expenses but not getting big pay days you would have to be very naive to think otherwise. The problem you have is getting proof , wasn't there a Darts match a year of two ago whereby a first round match was played between two very good friends , the 'winner' got the pleasure of what was a probable 95% chance of been beaten by a much better player in the next round. The match kicked off and the player who is was patently obvious had to 'win' was throwing so bad that the other player who was going to 'lose' had no option but to throw even worse, so you got the situation of two professionals throwing 26 and 41 every throw , the crowd booing and all and sundry fully aware of what had gone on , the result? No proof so even though I would guess the Darts inner circle knew what had happened , in the mainstream world they got away with it. Snooker is another sport whereby a missed shot can look very unlucky and with the quality of the pro's oops frame lost and it looks none the wiser. Le Tissier admitted fixing the spread market didn't he , which admittedly isn't a match altering result but still shows what goes on. door if most games were not fixed the best team would never lose if you have ever played at a lower level you will know there are never any shock results why should it be any different at top level unless dark forces are at work Very true , Saturday Amateur football league you would be hard pressed to find a shock result in any of the 7 leagues from start to finish. BATE from I believe Belarus have just been beaten by Lille in the Champions League at home , even though Lille sent out a Reserve and Youth team and BATE had already beaten there first team earlier very very easily and were not going to get caught for the Europa place. Would anybody be at all surprised if taht match wasn't found at some later stage to have been fixed? |
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thats your opinion but if you take professinal goalkeepers for instance can every few games make strange mistakes that effect a tight game or an offside decision or a dodgy penalty if you scrutinise these things and you will see they do create shocks
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The Priest - there is no 'content' in the OP's post to rubbish! He states he has 'serious reasons' to believe what he says, what are they. Simple question, no agenda.
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Eaton's operatives cultivated sources who eventually led them to a syndicate in Singapore. They slowly uncovered how deeply fixers like Perumal had infiltrated the game. "They had stopped fixing matches and started fixing people," says Eaton.
According to Eaton's investigators, Perumal had perfected his scheme in the late '90s in Ghana and Zimbabwe. His goal was not just to bribe individual players but to dupe entire federations. Representing front companies with names like Footy Media and Football4U, Perumal would approach federation officials as a promoter who negotiated friendlies between national teams. "Most football associations are broke," Perumal would later write to Singaporean journalist Zaihan Mohamed Yusof from Finnish prison. "When you go up to them with an opponent who is prepared to ... play a friendly, they welcome you with open arms. They don't realize what is hidden beneath." As his network grew, Perumal signed legitimate contracts with national federations in countries unaware of who he really was, such as Bolivia and South Africa, paying them as much as $100,000 to arrange their friendlies, often pairing them against higher-profile teams that were just looking for ready-made exhibitions. Perumal would set up the matches, promote them -- and select the referees. Many friendlies go off without FIFA sanctioning, so often all a fixer like Perumal needed to do to stage an international friendly was find a stadium and pay a day's rent. The matchups would attract the attention of bookmakers and the international betting market -- if also a curious amount of red cards, penalty kicks and offside calls. FIFA paid refs only $350 per match, almost inviting the fix. "Every member association is responsible for organizing and supervising football in its country," says FIFA spokesman Wolfgang Resch. "The control of referees and officials falls into it." Paying off refs was one way to manipulate results, but to achieve what fixers call a "five-star fix," Perumal also needed to compromise players and coaches. In doing so, he styled himself as soccer's Robin Hood, paying upward of $5,000 per fix to players in Africa, Central America and the Middle East, whose salaries barely fed their families. "The players I knew were living in atrocious conditions," Perumal wrote. "Within six months their lives took a 360 [sic] turn." Perumal embedded himself in professional leagues outside the global eye, becoming so well connected that, according to a source in Singapore, he would field calls from coaches on the sidelines during games. Perumal boasted that he was "in better control of the Syrian football league than Assad was over his people." Facing a criminal conspiracy that operated in African villages and Middle Eastern locker rooms, Eaton decided that he needed to take a proactive "counterterrorism approach." But when he introduced two initiatives -- a whistleblower's hotline and amnesty for anyone who confessed to rigging a game -- FIFA shelved them almost immediately. |
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Fixing happens to a greater or lesser extent in every sport. Tennis has major problems.
I think referees and linesmen in football must sometimes get paid off with some of the decisions that take place. |
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Asian markets didn't need to fix markets. They just turned the lights off if the result wasn't going their way.
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IN SINGAPORE, match fixing grew into its own tightly governed enterprise. Based on extensive interviews with Eaton's team and syndicate sources in Asia, this much is known: The syndicate is run by four bosses -- led by a man named Dan Tan Seet Eng -- whose legitimate businesses enable them to fund the payouts and travel expenses that fixers require to execute a scheme. Once the match is fixed, the Chinese triads use betting sweatshops across Southeast Asia in which rows of workers sit in front of computers placing $3,000 bets as fast as their fingers can type. The wagers are purposely small and spread on enough credit cards to avoid detection by bookmakers.
The bosses often work in concert, employing the hawala system, a clandestine credit structure that international organized crime groups use to move money among one another without a trace. As the syndicate's dealings have grown, so have its connections with criminal organizations in other countries, such as Italy, Hungary, Croatia and Bulgaria. Largely unpoliced, the Singapore syndicate became increasingly brazen, never more so than in the staging of ghost matches like the suspected one between the U21 teams from Turkmenistan and Maldives. Since federations, and not FIFA, announce friendlies, bookies employ local "spotters" to troll for information about upcoming matches. These spotters are corrupted by the syndicate to con bookies into listing fabricated matches. The spotters then supply the bookies with in-game dispatches -- on matches that aren't actually happening  |
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OldGold
Fair point |
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The spotters then supply the bookies with in-game dispatches -- on matches that aren't actually happening
Swansea vs Liverpool for example!!! |
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It's obviously a nonsensical thought to question whether every sporting occasion is fixed, take slam finals in tennis for example, blood, guts and glory go into winning one of them these days which usually results in the two players being out on their feet after a 4-6 hour slug fest, nothing about that is fixed, however, as any keen tennis follower will all too happily tell you after having their fingers burnt one too many times - that there are many fixes (I guess Ii have to say 'alleged' here) in tennis usually referred to as 'tanking' many players appear to turn up at tournaments just to collect their match fee, see Tipsarevic, there's an unofficial(obviously) black list of certain player floating around that people are advised not to bet on, Starace and Radwanska are my biggest suspects.
In football I always usually to laugh at serie b, used to see a lot of matches with the draw price starting ridiculously low pre match. |
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Radwanska
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Certain leagues and sports events are now 'products' worth 100s of millions. It is ridiculous to think that all sports events are fixed but it is equally ridiculous to think that all this money hasn't corrupted sport. There is a common interest ($$) among players, governing bodies and tv cos to produce an exciting 'product' and to see the tv contract extended. As can be seen from the Lance Armstrong affair it can be in a governing body's interest to cover up any scandals which could reduce the value of the 'product' and there isn't even that much tv money in cycling. Look to the governing body, ie the party in control of the big tv money, they have an interest in ensuring that the 'product' doesn't lose its value at all or relative to rival sports events. It is simply human nature for these amounts of money to result in corruption.
Individual sports like tennis have to be more prone to it. I think if fixing was rife in any major soccer league other than Italy you would have heard more about it like they have heard in Italy. There are too many people involved for that not to leak out at least a little. 2012 has already produced more exciting tv sporting moments than usual tho IMO, just my opinion. |
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for lafouines . . .
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