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Danyo
08 Nov 12 01:46
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betting exchange will be closed for us on friday... Cry

no more inplay trading, no more laying, no more the best odds... just fixed odds with additional 5% tax on the STAKE... no matter if you win or lose, just like every other German bookie...

Betting is officially dead now for me. It was a funny time on here Sad
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Report joe9000 November 8, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
use a proxy
Report Danyo November 8, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
that won't help, as my registered location is Germany... and all documents for verification are german too.
Report TiptheOdds November 8, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
danyo, where did you get this info???
Report themover November 8, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
http://www.azonlinecasinos.com/news/20121107/betfair-exchange-tax-dispute-co...
Report themover November 8, 2012 1:58 AM GMT
betfair-exchange-tax-dispute-compels-german-exit/
Report themover November 8, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/betfair-germany-idUKL5E8M730B20121107
Report Betfair_billionaire November 8, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
Betfair Group plc
7 November 2012

UPDATE ON GERMANY

As previously indicated, in July 2012 Germany introduced a law that applies a 5% tax on stakes on sports betting in the country. A tax at this rate, if applicable, would make Betfair's current exchange model unviable. Following detailed opinions provided by its legal and tax advisors, Betfair believes that, in regard to bets placed on its exchange, it is not an organiser of sports betting under the tax law and is not, therefore, liable for the tax.

Betfair has been working with the relevant tax authorities to seek clarification on interpretation of the law and its applicability to exchanges. The company is disappointed, however, that to date the tax authorities have not been able to agree to an interpretation of the law that would allow Betfair to continue to offer the exchange product. Consequently, Betfair has decided to withdraw its exchange product from the German market.

Following this decision, on-going contribution from Germany is expected to be de minimis and Betfair is reviewing its operations in this market. In FY12, approximately 4% of Core Betfair revenue came from Germany and this revenue delivered a contribution of approximately £6 million before the allocation of central costs.

The company believes that it has fulfilled all of its obligations under German law, including the filing of necessary tax returns. Discussions are continuing with tax authorities regarding the potential tax liability, if any, arising from bets placed on its exchange since the law came into effect.
Report Danyo November 8, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
I just got this message when I logged in here.
And I see there's a big discussion about it already on here. Topic: Germany, somewhere below.
Report TiptheOdds November 8, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
Shiite! I knew it was coming, read about it many moons ago, but didn´t know it was imminent.

Although my account is registered in UK I live in Germany, so presumably my IP will bar me? I have to find a reliable proxy server now I suppose...

Anyone?
Report Danyo November 8, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
no I think it's just about your registered location in your account, not about the IP you are using...
Report Darlo Bantam November 8, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
There's a discussion on the tennis forum. According to a poster there, it's nothing to do with IP addresses.
Report themover November 8, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
a little peace of mind in a dangerous world, that's the message from a company called witopia.net
Report hollywood85 November 8, 2012 2:28 AM GMT

Nov 8, 2012 -- 2:15AM, themover wrote:


a little peace of mind in a dangerous world, that's the message from a company called witopia.net


it doesnt helps... problem is about account adress, if your country of residence is germany they wont allow you to use the site

Report ALEXANDER_THE_GREEK November 8, 2012 4:15 PM GMT

Danyo 08 Nov 12 01:52 Joined: 10 Sep 08 | Topic/replies: 4,528 | Blogger: Danyo's blog
that won't help, as my registered location is Germany... and all documents for verification are german too.
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what if you create another account on other name  and then use proxy
Report hollywood85 November 8, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
but you're always gonna need an address in another country... and surely betfair will ask for some papers with that info for confirmation
Report BARNEY15C November 8, 2012 4:19 PM GMT
So much for the EU having common trading boundaries, looks like they can stick two fingers up if it suits them, i wonder if other countries might follow suit, France, Spain etc
Report ALEXANDER_THE_GREEK November 8, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
betfair had told me that if greece ban betfair they can send me a link that i bet on exchange. could you ask them about that?
Report Betfair_billionaire November 8, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
Betfair exchange is already banned in France and Spain.
Report hollywood85 November 8, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
and Italy
Report ALEXANDER_THE_GREEK November 8, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
and turkey and cyprus and imminent on greece. plus many other countries
Report BARNEY15C November 8, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
What countries for the moment still allow betfair (Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland....??), easier said than done but anyway you could get a postal address in those countries ie if you have  relative living there??? just a thought
Report BARNEY15C November 8, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
i purposely gave countries that border germany (denmark too)
Report BARNEY15C November 8, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
poland?
Report BARNEY15C November 8, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
sounds like protectionism
Report themover November 8, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
e) Your Personal Information

Please ensure that you enter a valid e-mail address that is only accessible by you. From time to time Betfair may send information which is specific to your account.

Please ensure that you enter valid phone numbers in case we need to contact you about a betting matter. You will never receive unsolicited calls.

The personal questions that you select and answer will be used to assist us in identifying you if you forget your password or need to contact our helpdesk by telephone.

Please ensure your personal information is kept up to date. You can amend it at any time by accessing your 'Profile' under 'My Account'.


f) Your Account Information

You cannot change your account currency.

You can amend other details on your account (such as your preferred betting region) at any time by accessing your 'Profile' under 'My Account'.



Since the EU and the removal of boundaries it's very important to make sure that those of us that like to take advantage of this and move around a lot do keep Betfair up to date with our address information. I like to keep on top of these things and am more than pleased to keep my personal information up to date, after all I don't want to miss out on the christmas hamper wherever I might be.
Report lurka November 8, 2012 4:45 PM GMT
http://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29481693/i-am-fked#flvWelcomeHeader

bit more discussion on this on the tennis forum
Report Thereisnowayyoulayedthat November 16, 2012 9:35 AM GMT
Complaint over new Greek gambling law
Article | October 4, 2011 - 12:19pm

The Remote Gambling Association (RGA) has lodged a complaint with the European Commission regarding the legality of new gambling legislation in Greece.

If allowed to stand, the legislation will effectively provide OPAP, the largest gambling association in Greece, a favourable position in terms of taxation.

The Greek government currently owns 34% of OPAP, which is currently the only gambling organisation allowed to offer sports betting and lottery products to Greek consumers.

The new law requires all online gambling organisations to pay a 30% gross profit tax on gambling products, something that OPAP would be exempt from, as it is an offline organisation. This puts Greek taxation on online gambling much higher than many other countries; only Spain's 25% taxation laws come close.

The law also requires online associations to impose a 10% withholding tax on all of their customers winnings, but OPAP's consumers are only taxed if their winnings are over €100.

    The RGA's case revolves around the Greek government's inability to objectively justify the new tax, along with the fact that most European online gambling sites impose a lower tax than their offline counterparts. “Remote operators wish to obtain licences in Greece and to continue to offer Greek consumers competitive and well-regulated products,” Clive Hawkswood, Chief Executive of the RGA, said. “However the current unjustified fiscal favouritism being afforded to OPAP makes this extremely difficult and we urge the European Commission to investigate the new legislation for being in breach of State aid rules.”

Hawskwood also stressed that the RGA was not trying to suggest equal taxation for both gambling mediums, just that the new tax requirements be justified by the proper authorities.

“We are fully aware of the fiscal pressures on the Greek authorities at present, but they do not justify the imposition of anti-competitive tax provisions which benefit the existing monopoly gambling provider over private online operators soon to be licensed in Greece”, Hawswood went on to say. “Not only does such action not conform with EU State aid rules, but if implemented, it will have a damaging impact on the private sector and associated growth and employment opportunities, as well as curbing competition and consumer choice.”
Report Alias November 16, 2012 10:12 AM GMT
Betfair exchange is already banned in France and Spain.


"Banned" is not quite correct, but as the subject regarding Spain has been done to death already on the forum.......
Report Whisperingdeath November 16, 2012 12:52 PM GMT
If somebody in germany wants to bet on betfair but Germany bans it, how can they do it?  what is a vpn server.  How easy is it to set up?


easy


how much to set it up?


there are some free ones, but better to used a paid service. The free ones get real busy and dont work when u need
it varies but from 10 quid a month


where can someone go to get one?


is the person in germany?


yes


ok I will send you a few links all are good
http://www.purevpn.com/vpn-service/de-vpn-services.php
http://www.purevpn.com/



nice one.  can I post that on betfair forum?


sure, it is not illegal
a point to note tho, countries can block sites
I mean like they block betfair they also sometimes block vpns
it is rare but in dubai they did



I need to do it for when I go to America too


use the second one then
they are good for a lot of countries
including USA
Canada
but both can I just checked



thanks mate!
Report Whisperingdeath November 16, 2012 12:58 PM GMT
oh I wanted to ask you to ask around about Dresden v fankfurt at 5pm UK.. Frankfurt are almost 3-1.  Can you get an opinion please
Report TheBetterBettor November 16, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
can you use betdack instead?
Report Alias November 16, 2012 2:21 PM GMT
ffs
Report Bruce Willis November 16, 2012 3:20 PM GMT

Nov 16, 2012 -- 12:58PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


oh I wanted to ask you to ask around about Dresden v fankfurt at 5pm UK.. Frankfurt are almost 3-1.

Report RAPS November 16, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
Thanks for the illitrates who suggest a VPN or similar.

Go learn to read you dimwits.
Report TiptheOdds November 17, 2012 1:36 AM GMT
here is a tip to get round the german situation:

if you have a friend or preferably a family member living in the UK open a BF account and internet bank account registered at the UK address. You will then be considered a British user and not be banned from using BF, no matter where your IP address says you are.

it does work...
Report sofiakenny November 17, 2012 1:54 AM GMT
zank you..vee vill return vith our panzerz and dezsroy your pathetic little island
Report judorick November 17, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
ze Betfair ist klosed, pleeze go avay
Report Bruce Willis November 17, 2012 2:07 AM GMT
Klose
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