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What is the excuses this year when teams start dropping out early?
Please dont point to Chelsea's stumble to the trophy last year,
Please dont point to Chelsea's stumble to the trophy last year,
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as i said bobbin. it's all about opinion.
except what can be quantified.
the initial posting invited us to ignore last years result in order to back up an opinion.
but we know what is quantifiable, and the englisg league comes out very well there.
except what can be quantified.
the initial posting invited us to ignore last years result in order to back up an opinion.
but we know what is quantifiable, and the englisg league comes out very well there.
Quantifiable is the fact La Liga is ranked No.1 in europe mexicano.
The Prem was most watched in the mid 90's when 6/7th ranked in europe. It means little to nothing.
The Prem was most watched in the mid 90's when 6/7th ranked in europe. It means little to nothing.
Countdown to mexicano using the word quantifiable to sound intelligent again.........
There's certainly no quantifiable way of saying that Prem League sides currently have greater depth than Spanish sides. There just isn't.
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won.
as in your initial posting were you invited us to ignore last years cl result because it didn't suit your argument, you want to cherry pick reasons for your case.
as i said, perhaps we should all go miles away to the country that is acknowledged as having the best league, support the best team in that league even though we have no emotional pull on that club, then slag off all the local teams/leagues to us.
we could then stick our chests out and go to bed feeling very smug.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won.
as in your initial posting were you invited us to ignore last years cl result because it didn't suit your argument, you want to cherry pick reasons for your case.
as i said, perhaps we should all go miles away to the country that is acknowledged as having the best league, support the best team in that league even though we have no emotional pull on that club, then slag off all the local teams/leagues to us.
we could then stick our chests out and go to bed feeling very smug.
It's good for the game. Remember 6 or 7 years ago it was nearly a given the English teams would get to the Semi's/quarters. I don't know what's changed as the money is still there for the English teams. Other teams more savvy nowadays I reckon and have sorted out some good TV deals for themselves..
but it's the most commercially successful,
Yep, since it sold its arse to Rupert. Oh, and it's more than probably the most indebted too.
Yep, since it sold its arse to Rupert. Oh, and it's more than probably the most indebted too.
No mexicano viewing figures is not directly linked to quality of league.
AGAIN you make yourself look an idiot!!!
The Prem has most viewers due to its success in Asia etc, yet you then claim people who support foreign clubs are terrible!!!
AGAIN you make yourself look an idiot!!!
The Prem has most viewers due to its success in Asia etc, yet you then claim people who support foreign clubs are terrible!!!
sold it's arse to rupert
absolutely.
great shame you little mob can't give any part of your anatomy away
absolutely.
great shame you little mob can't give any part of your anatomy away
mexicano you arguments are so flimsy it is laughable.
number of internationals plying their trade in the respective leagues is probably a quantifiable indicator of strength in depth.
Well I wouldn't write off the PL sides yet, Hamsterdam. Chelsea can still do well in the CL, and Man U could as well, if they sort out their defensive problems. Arsenal will probably still qualify, although we know they're an ordinary team - how could they be otherwise if they simply sell all their quality players? City are rather mystifying, admittedly, but I think we need to wait until the end of the season and see how the English sides actually did. Too many death knells being prematurely sounded for my liking.
Trouble is, one day Rupert will tire of it. Then we'll find out about "commercially successful".
jam
ffs
you must stop making things up that people have said, then calling them an idiot for saying such things, in order to make an argument.
where on earth did i say that viewing figures were directly linked to the quality of the league????????????????????
i'll give you a clue.
i didn't.
you made it up.
ffs
you must stop making things up that people have said, then calling them an idiot for saying such things, in order to make an argument.
where on earth did i say that viewing figures were directly linked to the quality of the league????????????????????
i'll give you a clue.
i didn't.
you made it up.
jamdav
makes things up you've said.
then calls the things he's made up flimsey
and they're laughable
makes things up you've said.
then calls the things he's made up flimsey
and they're laughable
You claim it is 'quantfiably the best' due to viewing figures etc.
In most peoples book 'the best' refers to quality.
You say I am the problem with modern football etc but I would say the likes of yourself that quotes viewing figures and commercial quality of league into a debate is a sad state of affairs.
In most peoples book 'the best' refers to quality.
You say I am the problem with modern football etc but I would say the likes of yourself that quotes viewing figures and commercial quality of league into a debate is a sad state of affairs.
number of internationals plying their trade in the respective leagues is probably a quantifiable indicator of strength in depth.
That depends on how many players playing in their own national leagues there are, against foreigners. Man City for instance, have bought umpteen internationals. They lost tonight, btw.
That depends on how many players playing in their own national leagues there are, against foreigners. Man City for instance, have bought umpteen internationals. They lost tonight, btw.
what's quality in your book if it's not viewing figures (for the spectator) and pounds, shillings and pence (for the club)?
your making it up.
it must really irk you that you've got to tie your allegiance miles away in order to have a tear up on here, why don't you go and support man u or lpool then you could make up what you like about the other mob and row untill your hearts content.
it must really irk you that you've got to tie your allegiance miles away in order to have a tear up on here, why don't you go and support man u or lpool then you could make up what you like about the other mob and row untill your hearts content.
Mexicano it is 100% fact that you have used 'viewing figures' as 'quantifiable' evidence that the Prem could be considered 'the best'.
Yet in next post claim that people who follow foreign football teams as all that is wrong with football.
Yet in next post claim that people who follow foreign football teams as all that is wrong with football.
JamDav1982 24 Oct 12 22:24
Bilbao finished tenth in La Liga and look how they took Man Utd apart.
Villarreal got relegated with players like Nilmar, Rossi, Diego Lopez, Bruno Soriano etc.
Depth in La Liga is much stronger.
Is the depth really that much stronger? Look how well Bilbao are doing now their 2 best players from last year aren't playing.
Villarreal got relegated because Rossi was missing from October and Nilmar only played around half their league games. So you can't really justify the leagues depth by using Villarreal as an example because if Rossi had been fit they wouldn't have gone down. It's because of their lack of depth that they got relegated.
I'd argue that the likes of Spurs, Everton, Newcastle and Liverpool are stronger sides than Mallorca, Levante, Betis and Sevilla.
I don't think there's any doubt la liga is better in terms of skill and technical ability but for excitement, atmosphere and competition you can't seriously deny that the premier league is better.
Bilbao finished tenth in La Liga and look how they took Man Utd apart.
Villarreal got relegated with players like Nilmar, Rossi, Diego Lopez, Bruno Soriano etc.
Depth in La Liga is much stronger.
Is the depth really that much stronger? Look how well Bilbao are doing now their 2 best players from last year aren't playing.
Villarreal got relegated because Rossi was missing from October and Nilmar only played around half their league games. So you can't really justify the leagues depth by using Villarreal as an example because if Rossi had been fit they wouldn't have gone down. It's because of their lack of depth that they got relegated.
I'd argue that the likes of Spurs, Everton, Newcastle and Liverpool are stronger sides than Mallorca, Levante, Betis and Sevilla.
I don't think there's any doubt la liga is better in terms of skill and technical ability but for excitement, atmosphere and competition you can't seriously deny that the premier league is better.
the most watched. the most commercially succesful. some[not me] may consider that makes them the best.
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and that is what i actually said.
so even when you're challenged to validate something that you reckon i've said you still lie about it in order to try and make a case.
you must really want a row.
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and that is what i actually said.
so even when you're challenged to validate something that you reckon i've said you still lie about it in order to try and make a case.
you must really want a row.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:01 PM BST
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:47 PM BST
your making it up.
it must really irk you that you've got to tie your allegiance miles away in order to have a tear up on here, why don't you go and support man u or lpool then you could make up what you like about the other mob and row untill your hearts conten
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:47 PM BST
your making it up.
it must really irk you that you've got to tie your allegiance miles away in order to have a tear up on here, why don't you go and support man u or lpool then you could make up what you like about the other mob and row untill your hearts conten
JamDav - couldn't you have just bumped one of your previous threads on the subject?
I don't really understand why you get so wound up by it?
I don't really understand why you get so wound up by it?
You also said this mexicano -
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
biscuit the excitement and atmosphere between english sides means more to locals than whatever goes on in spain or anywhere else. because its local. even if the quality was/is dire people would still lap it up cos its on their doorstep and they can slag their rivals when they lose
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Mexicano it is 100% fact that you have used 'viewing figures' as 'quantifiable' evidence that the Prem could be considered 'the best'.
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i actually said not me.
Mexicano it is 100% fact that you have used 'viewing figures' as 'quantifiable' evidence that the Prem could be considered 'the best'.
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i actually said not me.
Again Mexicano -
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
If only Jason Dodd was still here.
He'd have sorted this mess out in no time.
He'd have sorted this mess out in no time.
tony
i'll tell you why he gets wound up about it.
because he's had to scour the globe to do a bit of gloryhunting.
and what's the point of gliryhunting, if you can't "stick it up" somebody" now and again.
pitiful case really.
i'll tell you why he gets wound up about it.
because he's had to scour the globe to do a bit of gloryhunting.
and what's the point of gliryhunting, if you can't "stick it up" somebody" now and again.
pitiful case really.
Premiership teams get what they deserve in the Champions League.
They treat other teams and the competition itself with contempt.
Playing weakened sides and then having a cheek to wonder why they didn't win.
Not to mention the Europa League,FA cup and League cup as well.
Who the feck do they think they are.
Over hyped and full of overpaid lazy ****z.
Did you hear that idiot from Arsenal saying the players looked tired!!
Doing what?
They treat other teams and the competition itself with contempt.
Playing weakened sides and then having a cheek to wonder why they didn't win.
Not to mention the Europa League,FA cup and League cup as well.
Who the feck do they think they are.
Over hyped and full of overpaid lazy ****z.
Did you hear that idiot from Arsenal saying the players looked tired!!
Doing what?
mexicano - keep the glory hunting angle it is all you have to fall back on really.
The quality's not awful in the PL though. Not as much technique and skill as you see in Spain, obviously. But there's still some decent stuff. And you do get an awful lot of excitement and competitive matches in the PL.
Hard to argue that the PL is the better league, though, simply because English sides haven't fared as well in Europe over the last few years. The Prem League's still pretty decent though, and I expect there to be at least one PL side in the Semi-Finals.
Hard to argue that the PL is the better league, though, simply because English sides haven't fared as well in Europe over the last few years. The Prem League's still pretty decent though, and I expect there to be at least one PL side in the Semi-Finals.
absolutely solano.
he'd have told us all where we were going wrong in one sentence.
a thousand times
he'd have told us all where we were going wrong in one sentence.
a thousand times
Of course the Prem is a decent standard, in particular the top 5/6, but it is not the all conquering league that lots of people on here make it out to be.
There is little between the top leagues.
There is little between the top leagues.
gloryhunting is not all i have to fall back on.
but it does intruige me that somebody can attach themself to a club a couple of countries away in order to give him the opprtunity to come onto a betting forum at the slightest opportunity in order to slag off domestic leagues and clubs.
still it takes all sorts i suppose.
but it does intruige me that somebody can attach themself to a club a couple of countries away in order to give him the opprtunity to come onto a betting forum at the slightest opportunity in order to slag off domestic leagues and clubs.
still it takes all sorts i suppose.
what are u on about glory-hunting for? that has nothing whatever to do with this. silly of you to resort to that when you re losing an argument mex
Yet mexicano I have only been called a glory hunter since the Spanish teams have improved, before I was just called deluded.
its worthy of comment when 3 out of the 4 pl sides lost and the other had to come back from a 2 goal deficit against relative no-hopers
what argument am i losing freddie?
he said the english league was not the best in the world.
in my initial posting so did i.
i then said it was the most commercially succesfull and most watched.
i don't think too many disagree with any of that.
unfortunatly the glory hunter couldn't get a row outta that, so he had to make up a few things i said in orfer to have a row.
quite bizzre really
he said the english league was not the best in the world.
in my initial posting so did i.
i then said it was the most commercially succesfull and most watched.
i don't think too many disagree with any of that.
unfortunatly the glory hunter couldn't get a row outta that, so he had to make up a few things i said in orfer to have a row.
quite bizzre really
Mexicano you have also said quantifiable reasons such as viewing figures mean the EPL can be considered the best.
Yet dismiss people who follow teams in other countries.
Such a muddled argument.
Just contradicting yourself.
Yet dismiss people who follow teams in other countries.
Such a muddled argument.
Just contradicting yourself.
freddiek 24 Oct 12 22:51
biscuit the excitement and atmosphere between english sides means more to locals than whatever goes on in spain or anywhere else. because its local. even if the quality was/is dire people would still lap it up cos its on their doorstep and they can slag their rivals when they lose
Not sure i get your point. Locality has nothing to do with it. Would you rather watch Liverpool v Chelsea or Bilbao v Real Madrid? Even games which aren't local like Newcastle v Spurs or Everton v Arsenal would be much better games and have much better atmospheres than a similar la liga fixture.
Have you ever watched the early sunday la liga game? Dire quality, dire atmosphere. Compare that with the early sunday game here and there's quite often no comparison.
More than half of la liga teams have an average attendance less than 24k. Doesn't make for a great spectacle. La Liga has the 2 best sides in the world, a side carried by Falcao, a side carried by Soldado then not much else. Malaga are doing really well but their best player left for the premier league. What else besides that?
biscuit the excitement and atmosphere between english sides means more to locals than whatever goes on in spain or anywhere else. because its local. even if the quality was/is dire people would still lap it up cos its on their doorstep and they can slag their rivals when they lose
Not sure i get your point. Locality has nothing to do with it. Would you rather watch Liverpool v Chelsea or Bilbao v Real Madrid? Even games which aren't local like Newcastle v Spurs or Everton v Arsenal would be much better games and have much better atmospheres than a similar la liga fixture.
Have you ever watched the early sunday la liga game? Dire quality, dire atmosphere. Compare that with the early sunday game here and there's quite often no comparison.
More than half of la liga teams have an average attendance less than 24k. Doesn't make for a great spectacle. La Liga has the 2 best sides in the world, a side carried by Falcao, a side carried by Soldado then not much else. Malaga are doing really well but their best player left for the premier league. What else besides that?
for the record this was my initial posting.
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it really rankles with some that the epl is widely acknowledged worldwide as the best league in the world.
yeh ignore last years result, and pick a random week when the english teams don't do well to re-enforce their prejudices.
imo this probably isn't the "best" league in the world, but it's the most commercially successful,the most exciting, and the most watched.
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it really rankles with some that the epl is widely acknowledged worldwide as the best league in the world.
yeh ignore last years result, and pick a random week when the english teams don't do well to re-enforce their prejudices.
imo this probably isn't the "best" league in the world, but it's the most commercially successful,the most exciting, and the most watched.
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mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:01 PM BST
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:36 PM BST
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won.
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:36 PM BST
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won.
i don't dismiss people who support teams in other countries.
I DERIDE THEM.
it seem to me that the only reason people support such teams is for a touch of gloryhunting.
I DERIDE THEM.
it seem to me that the only reason people support such teams is for a touch of gloryhunting.
That make it clear that you did say viewing figures was a 'quantifiable reason' for it to be considered the best. Oh and 'commercial success'
Yet you 'deride' the foreign supporters that make this possible.
As I said muddled and contradicting argument from you mexicano.
Yet you 'deride' the foreign supporters that make this possible.
As I said muddled and contradicting argument from you mexicano.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 9:58 PM BST
so you agree that as far as anything "quantifiable" the english is best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:36 PM BST
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won
Caught telling porkies mexicano.
so you agree that as far as anything "quantifiable" the english is best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:36 PM BST
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won
Caught telling porkies mexicano.
you don't get it jam do you.
i'd already said that imo it wasn't the best.
i then went on to give some reasons why it's widely regarded as the best.
but of course you chose to ignore that in order to try and make a point, in the same way as you told everyone the fact that an english club had won the cl last season had to be ignored.
why?????????
because these things don't suit your prejudices do they???????????
i'd already said that imo it wasn't the best.
i then went on to give some reasons why it's widely regarded as the best.
but of course you chose to ignore that in order to try and make a point, in the same way as you told everyone the fact that an english club had won the cl last season had to be ignored.
why?????????
because these things don't suit your prejudices do they???????????
You clearly said 'quantifiably its the best'.
Keep going back to that first post if you like, all it shows is that you changed your mind.
You were clearly trying to argue that it was 'quantifiably the best' due to viewing figures etc.
Keep going back to that first post if you like, all it shows is that you changed your mind.
You were clearly trying to argue that it was 'quantifiably the best' due to viewing figures etc.
once again you're making it up.
i don't deride people who watch the premiership abroad.
i deride people in this country who attach themselves to a spanish club rather that a premiership club in order to gloryhunt.
i don't deride people who watch the premiership abroad.
i deride people in this country who attach themselves to a spanish club rather that a premiership club in order to gloryhunt.
So you dont mind the people in Asia etc who follow Premier League teams?
quantifiably it's the most watched, and commercially successfull,.
as i said my initail posting made it clear what i thought.
but as per you ignored that in your gloryhunting urge to have an argument.
because it wouldn't go with the case you wanted to make would it?
as i said my initail posting made it clear what i thought.
but as per you ignored that in your gloryhunting urge to have an argument.
because it wouldn't go with the case you wanted to make would it?
No you said 'quantifiably it is the best' you clearly said that and used viewing figures etc as quantifiable factors regardless of what you said in that opening post.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 9:58 PM BST
so you agree that as far as anything "quantifiable" the english is best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:36 PM BST
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won
Caught telling porkies mexicano.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 9:58 PM BST
so you agree that as far as anything "quantifiable" the english is best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:36 PM BST
quantifiable is a number of things.
viewing figures
commercial success.
trophys won
Caught telling porkies mexicano.
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So you dont mind the people in Asia etc who follow Premier League teams?
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see once again you don't get it do you??????
the vast majotity of these fans haven't got top class local football.
you have.
but you choose to go a couple of countrys away on your gloryhunting quest.
loads of us watch foreign football in this country.
but it's my experience that only the gloryhunters go the full hog and desert football in their own country for a more successfull foreign optiopn.
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So you dont mind the people in Asia etc who follow Premier League teams?
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see once again you don't get it do you??????
the vast majotity of these fans haven't got top class local football.
you have.
but you choose to go a couple of countrys away on your gloryhunting quest.
loads of us watch foreign football in this country.
but it's my experience that only the gloryhunters go the full hog and desert football in their own country for a more successfull foreign optiopn.
Who is my 'top class local team'?
Simple question Mexicano - do you believe that viewing figures and commercial success make the Premier League the best in the world? IN YOUR OPINION?
Simple question Mexicano - do you believe that viewing figures and commercial success make the Premier League the best in the world? IN YOUR OPINION?
JamDav1982 24 Oct 12 23:20
Who is my 'top class local team'?
Depends where you live. I assume you don't live in Barcelona.
Who is my 'top class local team'?
Depends where you live. I assume you don't live in Barcelona.
having said initially that imo it wasn't the best, i then went on to demonstrate that was an opinion, and that you could apply quantifiable criteria in order to say it was the best if you so desired.
never once did i say that any of these "proved" it was the best, quite the opposite in fact, i keep saying that imo it isn't the best, but you couldn't row with that could you? so you had to make stuffup. but i do chuckle at the way it gets up the noses of people like you that it's widely considered to be the best, and is certainly the most watched and most succesfull.
never once did i say that any of these "proved" it was the best, quite the opposite in fact, i keep saying that imo it isn't the best, but you couldn't row with that could you? so you had to make stuffup. but i do chuckle at the way it gets up the noses of people like you that it's widely considered to be the best, and is certainly the most watched and most succesfull.
So you dont think it is the best and the likes of viewing figures etc are irrelevant?
You said one it was not the best then strangely turned to 'quantifiably its the best' and listed reasons why this could be.
It makes no sense.
You said one it was not the best then strangely turned to 'quantifiably its the best' and listed reasons why this could be.
It makes no sense.
it really amazes me.
i can come on here and have a row with fans of clubs i consider to be rivals, or have the crack down the pub.
this geezer wants to go miles away so he can row with everybody.
funny ol' world.
i can come on here and have a row with fans of clubs i consider to be rivals, or have the crack down the pub.
this geezer wants to go miles away so he can row with everybody.
funny ol' world.
Lets face it, our results in the Champs League (barring Chelski last season - who had plenty of luck, but good luck to them for that) have been desperatly poor. This year, is about the same as last year, our league or the foreign league, as I like to call it, is grossly over-rated. The teams struggle to pass the ball for more than 4-5 times before giving it away. La Liga is by far the best League for passing and movement. In this League there is little movement off the ball and the game is all about passing and movement. Man U have won all 3 games in a very poor group. Chelski were going to struggle a bit this season, in the competition, because winners are there to be shot at. Arsenal will do what they always do get to he quarter finals and out they will go. Man City, well they are outplayed in every game, they play in the Champs League, because they simply aren't good enough and the fact, that they are the Champions of our Foreign League, tells you all you need to know about the QUALITY of our top League.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 9:58 PM BST
so you agree that as far as anything "quantifiable" the english is best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:01 PM BST
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best
Clearly you were saying it is the best and not offering up those as reasons why other might see it as the best.
so you agree that as far as anything "quantifiable" the english is best.
mexicano • October 24, 2012 10:01 PM BST
in your opinion it's not the best.
in any quantifiable criteria.
it's the best
Clearly you were saying it is the best and not offering up those as reasons why other might see it as the best.
JamDav1982 24 Oct 12 23:23
Why does it matter?
Just curious. Doesn't bother me to be honest, i don't really see much difference from plastic United/liverpool fans living in Ireland to a Barcelona fan living in England. They both 'follow' their team and watch every match on tv. No real difference to me.
Anyway i think i gave 2 decent responses as to why the premier league is better in my posts at 22:48 and 23:04.
Why does it matter?
Just curious. Doesn't bother me to be honest, i don't really see much difference from plastic United/liverpool fans living in Ireland to a Barcelona fan living in England. They both 'follow' their team and watch every match on tv. No real difference to me.
Anyway i think i gave 2 decent responses as to why the premier league is better in my posts at 22:48 and 23:04.
here yo go again making it up.
where did i say viewing figures are irrelevent???????????????????????????
they are very revelent, they are part of the package that leads many to believe that the premiership is the best league in the world.
where did i say viewing figures are irrelevent???????????????????????????
they are very revelent, they are part of the package that leads many to believe that the premiership is the best league in the world.
Jam, why does it matter so much to you? Its either barca, messi, spanish national side or spanish league with you. How will you feel when the truth about spain's increased success and the drugs abuse hits the fan?
Of course you're wound up by it JamDav. Why else would you have spent the last 2 hours arguing about it, and why would you constantly keep bringing it up?
No biscuits those points were fairly poor to be honest.
Winner Winner - I have barely mentioned Barcelona on this thread, I am arguing about the strength of the leagues as I have for years on here.
No tony, I am not wound up at all.
Dont worry about it.
Dont worry about it.
ffs you are a hopeless case aren't you.
i was exploding your argument by giving the reasons why it is widely regarded worldwide as being the best. having already said that imo it wsn't thre best.
i realise that supporting barca you don't meet many to have a row with, but you really ought to try and understand what people are saying before rowing for the sake of it.
i was exploding your argument by giving the reasons why it is widely regarded worldwide as being the best. having already said that imo it wsn't thre best.
i realise that supporting barca you don't meet many to have a row with, but you really ought to try and understand what people are saying before rowing for the sake of it.
JamDav1982 24 Oct 12 23:29
No biscuits those points were fairly poor to be honest.
Well instead of spending an hour waffling on about 'quantifiable' things and getting mexicano to admit something that he never will, care to tell me why? There was nothing in my posts that wasn't true.
No biscuits those points were fairly poor to be honest.
Well instead of spending an hour waffling on about 'quantifiable' things and getting mexicano to admit something that he never will, care to tell me why? There was nothing in my posts that wasn't true.
OK Mexicano as long as you dont think it is the best for those 'quantifiable reasons' then that will do for me.
chicken dinner brings up a point.
apparently that cycling teams doctor was never "directly" employed by barca.
apparently that cycling teams doctor was never "directly" employed by barca.
I dont think much of what was in your posts is true biscuits. In terms of giving reasons why the Prem is better quality.
Yes that is correct Mexicano.
Ground breaking stuff..... well a couple of weeks ago it was.
Ground breaking stuff..... well a couple of weeks ago it was.
JamDav1982 24 Oct 12 23:34
I dont think much of what was in your posts is true biscuits. In terms of giving reasons why the Prem is better quality.
So you are denying that the premier league is more competitive overall, more exciting and their games have a better atmosphere?
I dont think much of what was in your posts is true biscuits. In terms of giving reasons why the Prem is better quality.
So you are denying that the premier league is more competitive overall, more exciting and their games have a better atmosphere?
Is it the best? maybe it is, maybe it isn't, we can't really say for sure. What I do know I find it pretty boring and negative to watch. on the whole. Barca/real has become a freak show and is also getting equally boring now. Nothing wrong with good old fashioned in your face football that you see down the leagues in England for a day out. Much better than sitting and watching Spanish football as they sideways pass each other to death
No I am not denying that Biscuits. I am denying that it makes it better quality.
SO yes I would rather watch Burton Albion v Wimbledon than Getefae v Mallorca any day of the week....
so at 21.56
i posted that imo it wasn't the best league in the world. and at 23.33 it appears that our barca fan had a revelation that i hadn't said it was the best league in the world.
quick chaps these catalans.
i posted that imo it wasn't the best league in the world. and at 23.33 it appears that our barca fan had a revelation that i hadn't said it was the best league in the world.
quick chaps these catalans.
So you wouldnt watch Getafe v Mallorca then Winner Winner?
You also pointed 'quanifiable reasons' why Prem is best mexicano.
Keep up.
Keep up.
you're the one that needs to keep up. i posted those reasons as to why it's widely regarded as the best.
methinks you still don't get it ol' son.
or is it just stubborness.
either way i can't be ferked about finding out.
good night.
methinks you still don't get it ol' son.
or is it just stubborness.
either way i can't be ferked about finding out.
good night.
You have a great chance of watching 22 english players, by watching Burton Albion v Wimbledon and that has alot to be said about it. Lets have the EPL back to being the EPL AND EVENTUALLY WE MAY GET A STRONGER NATIONAL SIDE.
One long rambling changing argument from you mexicano.
I watch a lot of football, probably addicted to it tbh...Out of all the major leagues, I just can't have Spanish football. I have tried but, yes they play a technical style but it is in its essence very negative. Arguably even more so than Italian football imo.
So you dont watch Spanish football or you do Winner Winner?
I do watch it from time to time. By me saying I can't have it, I mean its general style. It is far from the first league I would watch. Now the Belgian league, that is an interesting league to start following..
I do watch it from time to time. By me saying I can't have it, I mean its general style. It is far from the first league I would watch. Now the Belgian league, that is an interesting league to start following..
JamDav1982 24 Oct 12 23:38
So you wouldnt watch Getafe v Mallorca then Winner Winner?
Having watched Getafe on sunday, i would strongly advise Winner Winner to never watch those mugs ever!
So you wouldnt watch Getafe v Mallorca then Winner Winner?
Having watched Getafe on sunday, i would strongly advise Winner Winner to never watch those mugs ever!
Getafe are not a bad side and have some decent players, there games can go a bit flat due to their sh1tty crowds though.
What I think people are missing in the league v league debate is that the culture of English football is affecting the teams.
These teams play against teams filled with long ball merchants and hatchet-men every week and dont know how to play against technical teams that they face in Europe. It worked for around 5 years but that was due to fantastic tactical managers imo, Benitez, Mourinho ect.
Guys like Silva & Carzola will be worse off moving to England as it will affect the technical side of their game, a move to Germany or staying in Spain would have been much more beneficial for them.
But the most ridiculous thing about it all is that the money hase'nt dried up, EPL clubs are hitting record spending every year and yet seem to be getting worse, whereas Valencia, Schalke, Dortmund & Malaga have spent very little (even losing some of their key players) and yet can outperform most of these free spending EPL sides, something is definitely not right!
The English sides would be better off limiting their spending and trying to raise youth, they may get still get beat in Europe but it would'nt be anywhere near as damning as spending £500m+ and struggling.
I'm just glad my team Liverpool have a Klopp type manager (of course not as good) who turns to youth instead of gambling on big names.
These teams play against teams filled with long ball merchants and hatchet-men every week and dont know how to play against technical teams that they face in Europe. It worked for around 5 years but that was due to fantastic tactical managers imo, Benitez, Mourinho ect.
Guys like Silva & Carzola will be worse off moving to England as it will affect the technical side of their game, a move to Germany or staying in Spain would have been much more beneficial for them.
But the most ridiculous thing about it all is that the money hase'nt dried up, EPL clubs are hitting record spending every year and yet seem to be getting worse, whereas Valencia, Schalke, Dortmund & Malaga have spent very little (even losing some of their key players) and yet can outperform most of these free spending EPL sides, something is definitely not right!
The English sides would be better off limiting their spending and trying to raise youth, they may get still get beat in Europe but it would'nt be anywhere near as damning as spending £500m+ and struggling.
I'm just glad my team Liverpool have a Klopp type manager (of course not as good) who turns to youth instead of gambling on big names.
Whatever way you want to analyse football and why things have changed so dramatically/drastically you only have to look at Celtic/Rangers/Man Utd etc of the late 60s and the 70s.
Most of the players (Celtic particularly) consisted of players who were either English,Scots,Welsh or Irish.Celtic took on and beat the best in Europe with a team,all of whom lived within kicking distance of Parkhead.
I am by definition a Rangers fan,an accident of birth/religion/allegiance.The best "English" teams always had Scots,Irish and the odd Welsh player.Playing for pride in the team and also for their National shirt,not for money.
That is the short and definitive answer to why the UK has fallen behind........FOREIGNERS.
Most of the players (Celtic particularly) consisted of players who were either English,Scots,Welsh or Irish.Celtic took on and beat the best in Europe with a team,all of whom lived within kicking distance of Parkhead.
I am by definition a Rangers fan,an accident of birth/religion/allegiance.The best "English" teams always had Scots,Irish and the odd Welsh player.Playing for pride in the team and also for their National shirt,not for money.
That is the short and definitive answer to why the UK has fallen behind........FOREIGNERS.
Blaming the foreigners is much too simplistic, in the old day the teams were full of English players but the NT was still average at best.
What I find most entertaining is that when the club teams from Serie A, La Liga & Bundesliga were struggling in Europe there NT's were still very competitive, what do the English have to fall back on is this decline continues?
They were warned years ago that football works in cycles but ignored it, with guys like Richard "EPL is where its at" Scudamore at the top who were oblivious to everything happening outside Eng-ger-land I guess its right when they say "you get what you deserve"
What I find most entertaining is that when the club teams from Serie A, La Liga & Bundesliga were struggling in Europe there NT's were still very competitive, what do the English have to fall back on is this decline continues?
They were warned years ago that football works in cycles but ignored it, with guys like Richard "EPL is where its at" Scudamore at the top who were oblivious to everything happening outside Eng-ger-land I guess its right when they say "you get what you deserve"
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