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I am wondering when this will stop.
Why betfair is suspending the Live football games every now and then WITHOUT REASON?
(any of the obvious and acceptable reasons that explains in the terms of service)
Seems like the traders are "playing" with the suspension buttons and our nerves.
Or the traders do not know their job, or simply they DO NOT DO their job as have to do.
It's hard to explain the 2-3 seconds suspensions of the markets every now and then.
In North American games this tend to be a rule. In low liquidity markets this tend to be a rule too.
I could write for days examples in this subject.
And always there are longer suspensions without reason in many other games.
(About an hour ago the Myanmar- East Timor game Suspended without reason for about
2 minutes near the 90' minute. This was offered live by betfair and everybody could see
that the game was played and they had no reason to have suspended for so long time if
something had happen before)
I have do many phone calls to betfair for this matter but seems like nobody cares.
All of them, understand the problem, because it has happen to them too, have seen it to happen,
understand that is bad for the player...... but then start reading the typical answer for
the streaming problems .... e.t.c ... but they do nothing to resolve the problem.
I think that this matter is very important for the players and the Betfair
Management have to see this more closely and seriously.
If this is not a BETFAIR GUIDELINE they ought to find the traders that work this way,
and ask them to correct the way of trading, or show them the way for another job.
Why betfair is suspending the Live football games every now and then WITHOUT REASON?
(any of the obvious and acceptable reasons that explains in the terms of service)
Seems like the traders are "playing" with the suspension buttons and our nerves.
Or the traders do not know their job, or simply they DO NOT DO their job as have to do.
It's hard to explain the 2-3 seconds suspensions of the markets every now and then.
In North American games this tend to be a rule. In low liquidity markets this tend to be a rule too.
I could write for days examples in this subject.
And always there are longer suspensions without reason in many other games.
(About an hour ago the Myanmar- East Timor game Suspended without reason for about
2 minutes near the 90' minute. This was offered live by betfair and everybody could see
that the game was played and they had no reason to have suspended for so long time if
something had happen before)
I have do many phone calls to betfair for this matter but seems like nobody cares.
All of them, understand the problem, because it has happen to them too, have seen it to happen,
understand that is bad for the player...... but then start reading the typical answer for
the streaming problems .... e.t.c ... but they do nothing to resolve the problem.
I think that this matter is very important for the players and the Betfair
Management have to see this more closely and seriously.
If this is not a BETFAIR GUIDELINE they ought to find the traders that work this way,
and ask them to correct the way of trading, or show them the way for another job.
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A month later after my previous post and nothing corrected.
Seems like getting worse and worse day by day.
Betfair is not the known reliable betfair that we knew the previous years.
Day by day is getting like all the other bookmakers around, applying dirty tricks, without any respect to the players.
Suspensions all of the time without reason. 4-5 seconds suspensions in the most of
the live games. I counted more than 20 such supensions in the first half of
the live game OGC Nice - Toulouse FC that finished earlier.
Same thing in the first half of the Anderlecht - KV Kortrijk game, and many other Live games played earlier today..... yesterday ..... and every single day for several months.
Stromsgodset IF - Stabaek : They suspended it on the 40' minute of the first half
and remained suspended up to the end of the first half. Why?
A new trick they apply is to suspend the games after you submit your bet and while the timer is counting ..... For 2-3 seconds of course just to not allow you to place your bet until they check if something have happen.
The traders that work this way, are unbelieveable. Like a group of idiots that playing with the suspension buttons in the live games. Like a group of chickens that do not know their job and do not respect anything.
These methods make the player to lose the concentracion and lose money at the end.
Frustrating.
Seems like getting worse and worse day by day.
Betfair is not the known reliable betfair that we knew the previous years.
Day by day is getting like all the other bookmakers around, applying dirty tricks, without any respect to the players.
Suspensions all of the time without reason. 4-5 seconds suspensions in the most of
the live games. I counted more than 20 such supensions in the first half of
the live game OGC Nice - Toulouse FC that finished earlier.
Same thing in the first half of the Anderlecht - KV Kortrijk game, and many other Live games played earlier today..... yesterday ..... and every single day for several months.
Stromsgodset IF - Stabaek : They suspended it on the 40' minute of the first half
and remained suspended up to the end of the first half. Why?
A new trick they apply is to suspend the games after you submit your bet and while the timer is counting ..... For 2-3 seconds of course just to not allow you to place your bet until they check if something have happen.
The traders that work this way, are unbelieveable. Like a group of idiots that playing with the suspension buttons in the live games. Like a group of chickens that do not know their job and do not respect anything.
These methods make the player to lose the concentracion and lose money at the end.
Frustrating.
Wish I could get a suspension in the Panathinikos game at least it would give me a thrill.
No genuine now 2-0, I do sympathise with you as when you are waiting for a goal and the suspension comes up you should be about 80% there. I get more frustrated when it resets and you then find the odds haven't changed as there's been a sending off instead of a goal.
Mr Spock think about, how frustrating may be when nothing have happen and you see the game to be suspended every 3-4 minutes for 4-5 seconds without reason.
This is the PROBLEM i mention here with my posts.
It is frustrating when we have a sending off, as you describe, but this is in the rules of the live playing, so it's acceptable. (for me)
But it's not acceptable to have somebody of the betfair staff to play with our nerves, by playing with the suspension buttons, and also BETFAIR to do nothing for this.
This is the PROBLEM i mention here with my posts.
It is frustrating when we have a sending off, as you describe, but this is in the rules of the live playing, so it's acceptable. (for me)
But it's not acceptable to have somebody of the betfair staff to play with our nerves, by playing with the suspension buttons, and also BETFAIR to do nothing for this.
Don't disagree with you and only hope their operators have some decent training. I suspect one or two are a bit trigger happy but don't really know what can be done.
They can't have people watching every game so they are probably using a 3rd party for suspending, and I bet this particular 3rd party is mainly used by bookies.
Now bookies do suspend on everything basically, however remote. Even when the pictures go to replay of a previous play.
So you are left with a very conservative suspender who will push the button on everything.
Now bookies do suspend on everything basically, however remote. Even when the pictures go to replay of a previous play.
So you are left with a very conservative suspender who will push the button on everything.
Some of these games are from places I've never heard of so the feeds must be dodgy at times.
Betfair's a joke mate they can't even provide a basic usable website. 
I wouldn't rely on them for anything.
I wouldn't rely on them for anything.
I am betting on betfair from 2004. What betfair has all these years was a real quality service and reliability. I was suggesting Betfair to everybody as the ONLY ONE option for betting online.
I can not say the same thing now.
For me it's better to limit the live plays, instead of offering such crappy service.
I can not say the same thing now.
For me it's better to limit the live plays, instead of offering such crappy service.
You can limit yourself to the games with a better service. You can tell which games suspend all the time and steer clear, no reason to be all whiny about it. They are offering almost every game on live betting, you cant demand the best service for everyone offered.
But how we can know that agaz? How can we know if the person that handles the specific game is trained or not? How can we know if there will be suspensions without reason or not?
Take a look in the example of the OGC Nice - Toulouse FC game i mentioned above. Was suspending all the time. It's not an unknown game from an unknown country.
It's FRANCE league1 - Normally had not to happen.
Take a look in the example of the OGC Nice - Toulouse FC game i mentioned above. Was suspending all the time. It's not an unknown game from an unknown country.
It's FRANCE league1 - Normally had not to happen.
I am wondering why there is not any answer from the Betfair side to give an explanation to the above???
wpicks.com 18 Nov 12 20:07 Joined: 22 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 29 | Blogger: wpicks.com's blog
But how we can know that agaz? How can we know if the person that handles the specific game is trained or not? How can we know if there will be suspensions without reason or not?
Take a look in the example of the OGC Nice - Toulouse FC game i mentioned above. Was suspending all the time. It's not an unknown game from an unknown country.
It's FRANCE league1 - Normally had not to happen
It wasn't only that game today,lost count how many suspends in the 1 dutch game for no reason.
But how we can know that agaz? How can we know if the person that handles the specific game is trained or not? How can we know if there will be suspensions without reason or not?
Take a look in the example of the OGC Nice - Toulouse FC game i mentioned above. Was suspending all the time. It's not an unknown game from an unknown country.
It's FRANCE league1 - Normally had not to happen
It wasn't only that game today,lost count how many suspends in the 1 dutch game for no reason.
B e t d a q offer unmanaged markets on many games, particularly North/South American matches. Might be worth checking there if it bothers you enough.
Lost count too. Not only today, not yesterday... I can say that this started about 6-8 months ago and becomes more and more frequent.
I am betting only on Live games and i see this to happen every single day for months.
I am betting only on Live games and i see this to happen every single day for months.
I don't think it's a coincidence that these outrages happen while this guy is in work:
that pics not even slightly funny or accurate either.....its a monkey that suspends the games, hence the term 'suspend monkey'. jeez, do ye know nothing??!!
You know very little - the guy in the picture takes over when it's banana break time
Mr Spock 18 Nov 12 19:09 Joined: 08 Mar 02 | Topic/replies: 1,181 | Blogger: Mr Spock's blog
Wish I could get a suspension in the Panathinikos game at least it would give me a thrill.
There in lies your answer. In my opinion they want people to become addicted to the big "SUSPENDED" sign as it gives some people a thrill as Mr. Spock gets. It's a bit like all the flashing lights in casinos or on the FOBT machines.
It is playing with the players emotions.Some people will probably play football markets without watching the actual game but just wanting to see the big "SUSPENDED" sign to get their rush. The more mugs playing for the thrill the more commission for Betfair.
I wouldn't be surprised if some staff do it on purpose knowing it will have some punters on the edge of their seats. All just my opinion of course.
Wish I could get a suspension in the Panathinikos game at least it would give me a thrill.
There in lies your answer. In my opinion they want people to become addicted to the big "SUSPENDED" sign as it gives some people a thrill as Mr. Spock gets. It's a bit like all the flashing lights in casinos or on the FOBT machines.
It is playing with the players emotions.Some people will probably play football markets without watching the actual game but just wanting to see the big "SUSPENDED" sign to get their rush. The more mugs playing for the thrill the more commission for Betfair.
I wouldn't be surprised if some staff do it on purpose knowing it will have some punters on the edge of their seats. All just my opinion of course.
In another French match yesterday there was a long suspended period for no reason. There are other matches with lots of them, so I guess it is just whoever is managing the market. It could be an idea not to watch the market when you are betting on something.
It seems to happen more often in the evenings and weekends,maybe this is when the boss goes home and the suspend monkey gets his kicks.
not what starfish sez ^^^^^ they'd never have got rid of the Big Red Suspend if they liked giving people a cheap thrill
the old Big Red Suspend was like a punch in the face it was that strong
the old Big Red Suspend was like a punch in the face it was that strong
this is happening a lot, so I use B365 to check if suspension is for real. Why would they suspend just for thrills? there is no money traded when it's suspended, so less commissions for BF? It's either someone suspending too often or their data feed becoming unreliable
starfish and coffee
In my opinion they want people to become addicted to the big "SUSPENDED" sign as it gives some people a thrill as Mr. Spock gets. It's a bit like all the flashing lights in casinos or on the FOBT machines.
It is playing with the players emotions.Some people will probably play football markets without watching the actual game but just wanting to see the big "SUSPENDED" sign to get their rush. The more mugs playing for the thrill the more commission for Betfair.
I wouldn't be surprised if some staff do it on purpose knowing it will have some punters on the edge of their seats.
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DAFFODIL1
It seems to happen more often in the evenings and weekends,maybe this is when the boss goes home and the suspend monkey gets his kicks.
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I agree with above opinions. I think that is the point
And this is that makes Betfair unreliable and unethical i could say.
In my opinion they want people to become addicted to the big "SUSPENDED" sign as it gives some people a thrill as Mr. Spock gets. It's a bit like all the flashing lights in casinos or on the FOBT machines.
It is playing with the players emotions.Some people will probably play football markets without watching the actual game but just wanting to see the big "SUSPENDED" sign to get their rush. The more mugs playing for the thrill the more commission for Betfair.
I wouldn't be surprised if some staff do it on purpose knowing it will have some punters on the edge of their seats.
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DAFFODIL1
It seems to happen more often in the evenings and weekends,maybe this is when the boss goes home and the suspend monkey gets his kicks.
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I agree with above opinions. I think that is the point
And this is that makes Betfair unreliable and unethical i could say.
Orduspor - Trabzonspor
There was more than 5, 3-4 secs suspensions in the last 2 minutes of the first half without reason.
If this is not a playing with the players emotions (who wait for a goal) then what is?
There was more than 5, 3-4 secs suspensions in the last 2 minutes of the first half without reason.
If this is not a playing with the players emotions (who wait for a goal) then what is?
And now Sociedad v Vallecano suspended for several minutes. Not late night. And not some exotic league with little coverage.
I consider fair to update this post, to write that the last 3 days (Nov 20/2012, Nov21, and taday, up to this time) things seems to have been corrected to all the live games.
I really did not see any suspension without reason, and generally everything was perfect. Reminds me the old good betfair.
If somebody else have a different opinion may post here.
As long as the 90% of my bets are in Live Fottball games, i am able to have a complete image of what is happening. Hope that what i saw these days, was not just a temporary break and expect from BETFAIR to continue this way.
I am waiting the weekend that used to be a "suspension tragedy" in the past, to see how it will go, and i will post whatever i will see here.
I really did not see any suspension without reason, and generally everything was perfect. Reminds me the old good betfair.
If somebody else have a different opinion may post here.
As long as the 90% of my bets are in Live Fottball games, i am able to have a complete image of what is happening. Hope that what i saw these days, was not just a temporary break and expect from BETFAIR to continue this way.
I am waiting the weekend that used to be a "suspension tragedy" in the past, to see how it will go, and i will post whatever i will see here.
wpicks.com if you are really worried about this then you should contact betfair customer services directly.
there is no guarantee that they will change anything but at least you will know you have brought the problem to their attention.
simply posting problems on the forum is not always the best way to get betfair informed about anything as we have seen all too clearly in the past.
the betfair folk who scan the forums are only searching for bad language or mention of certain untouchable people.
there is no guarantee that they will change anything but at least you will know you have brought the problem to their attention.
simply posting problems on the forum is not always the best way to get betfair informed about anything as we have seen all too clearly in the past.
the betfair folk who scan the forums are only searching for bad language or mention of certain untouchable people.
Things was better this weekend but seems they are starting again the same joke.
Today they are suspending for no reason many games. Not so frequent as before,
but becomes more frequent hour by hour, game by game.
Hapoel Tel Aviv v Hapoel Beer Sheva
Played now. They are suspending it for no reason every now and then.
Today they are suspending for no reason many games. Not so frequent as before,
but becomes more frequent hour by hour, game by game.
Hapoel Tel Aviv v Hapoel Beer Sheva
Played now. They are suspending it for no reason every now and then.
Betfair don't suspend. It is a 3rd party data supplier.
calm0n "Betfair don't suspend. It is a 3rd party data supplier. "
What this means ? I am betting on betfair not on a third party supplier. If this supplier offers such services, betfair has to correct it. Must look for another supplier with more decent services.
What this means ? I am betting on betfair not on a third party supplier. If this supplier offers such services, betfair has to correct it. Must look for another supplier with more decent services.
It's someone at the match pressing buttons. As with all walks of life some people are better than others at doing the job.
that cost me a grand on panthrakikos , couldnt trade out on u2.5
CJ70 "As with all walks of life some people are better than others at doing the job."
It's very convenient to say so, but people losing money with such behaviors.
It's very convenient to say so, but people losing money with such behaviors.
wpicks.com: It isn't going to change. Betfair are using 3rd party data suppliers (a company who places people at games and suspends as they see fit) so it will continue. It may be the people at games have poor signal/data connections and there is perhaps a 'fail-safe' which suspends if their device isn't pinged or whatever.
Unfortunately you know the risks so don't bet in play.
Unfortunately you know the risks so don't bet in play.
I'd rather someone suspends when they are not sure what is happening rather than giving someone with a quick feed hoover.
Malaga v Cacereno
They were suspending the game for no reason all over the time.
The last minutes of the first half they were playing with our nerves.
Two times while i was trying to place a bet they blocked me with the 2-3 secs suspensions for no reason.
Most of the games today was handled this way.
Nothing was corrected. The last week was just a break. Just to cheat us after the posts to this topic. Now we have again the betfair to not respect nobody. It's obvious that they are playing with the players emotions.
Betfair is just unreliable and unethical.
Not something special as was the previous years. We must have it all in mind.
They were suspending the game for no reason all over the time.
The last minutes of the first half they were playing with our nerves.
Two times while i was trying to place a bet they blocked me with the 2-3 secs suspensions for no reason.
Most of the games today was handled this way.
Nothing was corrected. The last week was just a break. Just to cheat us after the posts to this topic. Now we have again the betfair to not respect nobody. It's obvious that they are playing with the players emotions.
Betfair is just unreliable and unethical.
Not something special as was the previous years. We must have it all in mind.
palermo verona is suspended for 10 minutes now, and this just before the end... dont call it inplay betting than! there is no reason at all!
they suspend for loss of pictures red cards and as a lot of the games arent on normal tv,loss of pictures happens quite a lot i would imagine,i follow some games live but learn to live with it if it suspends there is no such thing as a perfect live in play service,you just cant do it.
then they should get a bet365 account, i was able to watch without interruption...
ah well and in germany, and as of my experience it is the hardest country to get live pictures due to some bullshit german laws
jajabink "they suspend for loss of pictures ..."
I am wondering how it happens to lose pictures on the 90% of the games in the last 2-3 minutes of the halfs.
I am also wondering how it happens to lose pictures at the time you have submit your bet
(waiting for the counter to complete) in many other games.
I am betting only live, and this happens and happens, again and again.
They just playing with the players emotions without respect to anybody.
I am wondering how it happens to lose pictures on the 90% of the games in the last 2-3 minutes of the halfs.
I am also wondering how it happens to lose pictures at the time you have submit your bet
(waiting for the counter to complete) in many other games.
I am betting only live, and this happens and happens, again and again.
They just playing with the players emotions without respect to anybody.
several hundred suspends in malaga 2nd half, they bring in a bus load of apprentices everyweek to practice suspending markets.
Here is an interesting approach for Betfair’s In Play Suspensions For…. Nothing
http://swearbox.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/betfairs-in-play-suspensions-for-nothing/
http://swearbox.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/betfairs-in-play-suspensions-for-nothing/
As with the majority of bookmakers Betfair rely on third-party data providers in order to offer the majority of in-play markets. These data-providers have scouts on the ground that relay the data, mainly utilising PDA's. In the case of PDA's the data is passed directly to all clients unless the signal is down in the stadium. In the event of the signal being down a phone is/can be used as back up whereby the information is relayed to a central point where somebody is sat watching multiple screens and monitoring the main feed. In this scenario data is passed by phone and entered into the system and then passed to the clients allowing bookmakers to know what is happening by the second. Information passed by phone has by it's nature an additional delay factor built in, as well as the possible effect of addition error as it now involves more than one human!
"themover"
If we talk about a coincidence is understandable and there is no problem.
But when something happens constantly and in specific time of the live games (mostly at the end of the halfs) how can be a coincidence?
If you spend several hours in Live Betting, as i do, you will be able to have a complete picture of what happens. (and it is not only the suspensions, but also the odds offered e.t.c.)
Things that happen again and again, under specific circumstances, can not be a coincidence, in any case. Mainly state a tactic from the betfair side, that in our case, is against the players, against the rules that betfair made, targets the player's psychology, is unethical, and leads many players (like me), to get upset, to lose their concentration and at the end their money.
If betfair (that is the top betting company) can not request to have a reliable data provider, then who can? If betfair can not resolve such problems and offer a reliable service, then who can?
I would have no problem and it would not be a matter of discussion if was something random.
But as i stated before, what happens, looks mostly like a tactic and not like a temporary problem.
And as long as i am risking my money, i expect and demand a reliable service, with clear rules and behaviors.
Finally, i do not care at all if their staff is untrained, or if the people that handle the games are stupid idiots and chickens, i do not care if they are losing pictures, or if they use unreliable data providers. I do not care if they are offering hundrends of live games if they can not offer them correctly.
All these are betfair problems and betfair must resolve them if they consider themselves as a serious company.
I am betting on betfair expecting and demanding a reliable service to whatever is offered.
If we talk about a coincidence is understandable and there is no problem.
But when something happens constantly and in specific time of the live games (mostly at the end of the halfs) how can be a coincidence?
If you spend several hours in Live Betting, as i do, you will be able to have a complete picture of what happens. (and it is not only the suspensions, but also the odds offered e.t.c.)
Things that happen again and again, under specific circumstances, can not be a coincidence, in any case. Mainly state a tactic from the betfair side, that in our case, is against the players, against the rules that betfair made, targets the player's psychology, is unethical, and leads many players (like me), to get upset, to lose their concentration and at the end their money.
If betfair (that is the top betting company) can not request to have a reliable data provider, then who can? If betfair can not resolve such problems and offer a reliable service, then who can?
I would have no problem and it would not be a matter of discussion if was something random.
But as i stated before, what happens, looks mostly like a tactic and not like a temporary problem.
And as long as i am risking my money, i expect and demand a reliable service, with clear rules and behaviors.
Finally, i do not care at all if their staff is untrained, or if the people that handle the games are stupid idiots and chickens, i do not care if they are losing pictures, or if they use unreliable data providers. I do not care if they are offering hundrends of live games if they can not offer them correctly.
All these are betfair problems and betfair must resolve them if they consider themselves as a serious company.
I am betting on betfair expecting and demanding a reliable service to whatever is offered.
If you use more than one betting site you'll notice that they all suspend at the same time as they are all using the same scout at the game.
At the end of the day we've all been at games and struggled to see if that shot hit the side netting or went into the back of the net, I'd rather someone suspends on a false alarm rather than miss a goal. Some scouts are dreadful and suspend over every free kick, its the luck of the draw. Because of the nature of the Betfair model, they actually lose money each second the match is suspended. So what you are suggesting is happening would be self defeating.
There is no conspiracy.
At the end of the day we've all been at games and struggled to see if that shot hit the side netting or went into the back of the net, I'd rather someone suspends on a false alarm rather than miss a goal. Some scouts are dreadful and suspend over every free kick, its the luck of the draw. Because of the nature of the Betfair model, they actually lose money each second the match is suspended. So what you are suggesting is happening would be self defeating.
There is no conspiracy.
suspends are so betfair can hoover... thats all, there is no valid reason to suspend any football market
so what reason is there? what advantage can you get in football that you cannot get in any other sport, nfl, tennis, cricket, snooker, horse racing..
When was the last time you had money in a market that was suspended for no reason and had money hoovered?
Jeez, the conspiracy theorists are really out on this thread. There is an issue here but some people are making a mockery of it.
Jeez, the conspiracy theorists are really out on this thread. There is an issue here but some people are making a mockery of it.
Without suspends, all matches would be like the 'unmanaged markets' they sometime put up for D2 or Norwegian games. If you look at the money matched, it's peanuts. Take away the susps and bets will plummet as people know they'll be hoovered by a spectator. At the end of the day, that's all Betfair's commission down the pan, so I imagine susps are here to stay.
Take away the suspends and you take away almost any in-play betting on football. Football is unique.
darlo i understand what your saying but why is there not uspends in any other sport ANY!!
Because football is not comparable to any other sports.
how so... do trys not get scored, do touchdowns not get scores, do wickets not get taken..?
Yes but they're more common and don't change the odds as much. A goal in football can throw the entire market to somewhere else.
You only get a few goals per game and the whole market flips. By comparison, a wicket is just a few clicks. I take your point about rugby, but my guess is it would attract far more in-play betting if it had try suspends...
more betting options in footie - overs/unders, cards, corners, goals, sending off, penalties, next goal etc
Sao Paulo v Univ Catolica
The game is offered live by betfair.
They are suspending for no reason every now and then.
Every time i make the tab with this game in mozilla active the game suspended immediately for 2-3 seconds.
So i will re-post my previous explanation about betfair tactic:
If we talk about a coincidence is understandable and there is no problem.
But when something happens constantly and in specific time of the live games (mostly at the end of the halfs) how can be a coincidence?
If you spend several hours in Live Betting, as i do, you will be able to have a complete picture of what happens. (and it is not only the suspensions, but also the odds offered e.t.c.)
Things that happen again and again, under specific circumstances, can not be a coincidence, in any case. Mainly state a tactic from the betfair side, that in our case, is against the players, against the rules that betfair made, targets the player's psychology, is unethical, and leads many players (like me), to get upset, to lose their concentration and at the end their money.
If betfair (that is the top betting company) can not request to have a reliable data provider, then who can? If betfair can not resolve such problems and offer a reliable service, then who can?
I would have no problem and it would not be a matter of discussion if was something random.
But as i stated before, what happens, looks mostly like a tactic and not like a temporary problem.
And as long as i am risking my money, i expect and demand a reliable service, with clear rules and behaviors.
Finally, i do not care at all if their staff is untrained, or if the people that handle the games are stupid idiots and chickens, i do not care if they are losing pictures, or if they use unreliable data providers. I do not care if they are offering hundrends of live games if they can not offer them correctly.
All these are betfair problems and betfair must resolve them if they consider themselves as a serious company.
I am betting on betfair expecting and demanding a reliable service to whatever is offered.
The game is offered live by betfair.
They are suspending for no reason every now and then.
Every time i make the tab with this game in mozilla active the game suspended immediately for 2-3 seconds.
So i will re-post my previous explanation about betfair tactic:
If we talk about a coincidence is understandable and there is no problem.
But when something happens constantly and in specific time of the live games (mostly at the end of the halfs) how can be a coincidence?
If you spend several hours in Live Betting, as i do, you will be able to have a complete picture of what happens. (and it is not only the suspensions, but also the odds offered e.t.c.)
Things that happen again and again, under specific circumstances, can not be a coincidence, in any case. Mainly state a tactic from the betfair side, that in our case, is against the players, against the rules that betfair made, targets the player's psychology, is unethical, and leads many players (like me), to get upset, to lose their concentration and at the end their money.
If betfair (that is the top betting company) can not request to have a reliable data provider, then who can? If betfair can not resolve such problems and offer a reliable service, then who can?
I would have no problem and it would not be a matter of discussion if was something random.
But as i stated before, what happens, looks mostly like a tactic and not like a temporary problem.
And as long as i am risking my money, i expect and demand a reliable service, with clear rules and behaviors.
Finally, i do not care at all if their staff is untrained, or if the people that handle the games are stupid idiots and chickens, i do not care if they are losing pictures, or if they use unreliable data providers. I do not care if they are offering hundrends of live games if they can not offer them correctly.
All these are betfair problems and betfair must resolve them if they consider themselves as a serious company.
I am betting on betfair expecting and demanding a reliable service to whatever is offered.
I've only seen the Sao Paulo match suspend twice and for a very short period each time and I've had it open from the start. Think you're getting paranoid now.
betfair dont care about anyone but themselves,won £686 last week & they took £280 odd quid today,i'm basically working for them & i'm paying them for the privilege 
As i have mention in my posts many times, the most of the suspensions last 3-4 seconds.
And such suspensions was not 2 in Sao Paulo match. Did not count, but was more than ten.
And such suspensions was not 2 in Sao Paulo match. Did not count, but was more than ten.
better to have a longer clock and a few dodgy suspensions than get hoovered.
nothing to do with hoovering,its to do with consistent winning on this site & getting pillaged for doing so
why not place yer bets elsewhere without the 20% tax then?
its hard to win at every market/bet u place
i wish it was that easy,no liquidity anywhere else & its 50% not 20%,20% would be manageable,50% is just thievery.
like over/unders and u back and lay at almost same time?
right, u need an exchange with good liquity then
i see why they charge u extra, because it reality u are costing them money
exactly,more so on rugby,motor racing & boxing which i'm good at trading on,other exchanges have very little liquidity.
thats what they say,load of cac,so i give them nearly 300 quid today just to use their site basically,as i say im working for them & paying them for the privilege.
i see their point thou, because slowly people that trade like that[ and i do it sometimes as well] are slowly bleeding all th money out of the system
its better for them for punters to win slightly more each time, because they will keep betting with their money ,and betfair can keep takin commision of them every time.
if traders take a tick or 2 every bet , its less money for a gambler to bet their next bet.
course there not,they've just got greedy,sharp minds used to be in their ads,now it should be,no winners allowed cos your taking money off losers,they get commission whoever wins,
if im a 5% and i have my las t20 quid on a 2.00 shot and it wins i can but 39 on my next 2.0 and win 76 and put that on again id have 150 quid and betfair would of took 9 quid commision.
if u have traded my bet and only gave me 1.95 on each leg id only have 140 after 3 doubles up, and betfair would of only got 7 quid commision of me.
those ticks are massive when multiplie dover and over
if u have traded my bet and only gave me 1.95 on each leg id only have 140 after 3 doubles up, and betfair would of only got 7 quid commision of me.
those ticks are massive when multiplie dover and over
if i just want to bet a horse at 6/1 on here,i only get 3/1,now thats the only maths i want to think about !
oh im sorry gnash,i'll lose on purpose then,betting is about winners & losers like betfair used to run it,now its for losers only.
yup, in a perfect world they want it so we are all break even players, that way we all keep losing slowly to their commision.
they dont want people who win on almost every market they play
they dont want people who win on almost every market they play
yes,they want there cake & eat it,which is what there getting away with,keep looking into the legalities of this charge,but not sure where to search.
will have to give the purple a go soon though to stop this thievery from betfair.
u no chance on purple if u trading quiet markets. bf have the monopoly and its very hard to see that ever changing.
i'll do the english horse racing on purple & sport betting on here.
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