You all hate united but surely theyre a good price v Cfr Cluj

Im not convinced by your conviction

Cluj is a team of "rejects" from the Portuguese league, but I bet some of the ex teams are crying right now, just ask Braga. Still, think united is a great price, unless I'm missing something, like injured players I don't know about.

Sorry redundant punter DEAD CERT ALERT FREE MONEY CERT WIN CANT LOSE good enough?

Wait till utds team is named.. I posted the pp rvp wincast special.. He might not play if pp are having them odds

Why do they look good value?

Odds on away from home with a poor record in Europe?

Dont look any better in defence and midfield obviously strengthened up front, so you may get away with it

dont think cluj will be too worried looking at last seasons efforts by unite in this and europa

should be an entertaining game, think cluj may just edge it by 3 or 4 goals

How many times would this united team be champion in Romania in 10 years? Probably the all 10, or 9 if there is a huge fluke in one of the years... 1.7 is a great price, united haters like it or not.

How many times would they win the Portugese, Turkish or Swiss leagues? See the problem with that logic?

I think 1.7 is a price that will appeal to plenty and good luck if you take it

Its not easy to win away from home in europe, and united have struggled in this format last year, they were also less than impressive at home in this competition the other week

I honestly dont know how good or bad cluj are, I know how good and how bad united can be

I would prefer to lay than back at that price

Whats the problem with that logic? Cluj's starting eleven is no where near the power of United's eleven. All Cluj's has in their favour is the home ground factor. Still, imho a united in full force wins this relatively comfortably most of the times, way more than the about 60% chances the odds suggest.

And btw, don't put the Portuguese league in the same level as the swiss or turkish leagues, its way above despite the ridiculously small budgets when compared with premier league teams for example.

not been defending too well of late either

much depends on the ref and his views on diving

indeed reffing will be hooge in this

Of course they are better on paper than Cluj. On paper they are better than the vast majority of teams that they come up against in Europe, they don't win every game.

United may well win, but for me they are very short and the value is with Cluj.

much depends on the ref and his views on diving

Ref's task a little easier in that respect if A Young ain't playing.

Ok, we have different views, no biggie. But I find it funny that every time I discuss an european game with someone in this forum involving English or Scottish teams I see lots of biased opinions, purely based on what they know about the said English / Scotish team in question, knowing absolutelly nothing about the "continental" team. It's not the kind of opinions I was hoping to find in a forum where the goal of the vast majority of the members is the same, making money...  But I can respect them...

Would back cluj to win the group and lay united to win the group and also lay united to qualify from group, all dependant based on this match outcome (strategy wise)

Hernani , deixei faz muito de passar cartão á ignorância que a maior parte dos users deste forum tem por outras ligas, aliás vê-se as valentes "espalhadelas" que muitos deles metem nas  apostas falhadas que colocam e comentam!
Se me permites um conselho, quem anda por aqui a facturar como deve ser não perde muito tempo neste forum.

Perdoa-me este desabafo.

Abraço Luso!!!

Oct 2, 2012 -- 4:47PM, hernani wrote:

Ok, we have different views, no biggie. But I find it funny that every time I discuss an european game with someone in this forum involving English or Scottish teams I see lots of biased opinions, purely based on what they know about the said English / Scotish team in question, knowing absolutelly nothing about the "continental" team. It's not the kind of opinions I was hoping to find in a forum where the goal of the vast majority of the members is the same, making money...

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"You're right. I hadn't even heard of Cluj until they drew Man Utd in the cup"

Write of FC Cluj at your peril.

They did the double over Basle in the final qualifier (something United failed to do last season) and had a good away win over Braga in their opening group game.

Romanian sides also tend to play neat passing football, something that Man U often struggle to deal with their inability to control possession in the midfield area.

Should be a close game.

PortBoy, apenas gosto de passar o tempo a ler algumas das barnaridades que por aqui se escrevem e de vez em quanto não resisto a mandar a minha colherada :) Amanhã, venham os francius que até os comemos ;)

Not writing cluj of Live4, just don't think united would win only 6 out of 10 games against cluj in romania, that's all. You're perfectly entitled to think otherwise. Good luck.

Ok , até os comemos se o Vitinha não entrar com a tracção toda atrás, senão...
Na minha opinião , esta odd do Man U , é uma bela de uma armadilha, é o convite á espalhadela!!!

Laid for a couple of tonne at 1.7. Think it`ll be 0-0 , 0-1 at HT so seems the obvious play for me.

Seen Cluj play enough times to feel the pricing of this match is incorrect, as is the pricing of the game in Turin.

Just my opinion of course but at 5/1 the pair both Cluj and Shakhtar (won all of their league games!) represent value.

Good luck