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badjoe
30 Sep 12 10:27
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CSKA won last 3 home games, for 6 against 0. Dinamo only won 1 in 5 away from home, simple back of home team @ 1.76........thoughts?
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Report Gavrail1 September 30, 2012 10:34 AM BST
game started, will see how teams are playing - its a Moscow derby anyway
Report Gavrail1 September 30, 2012 10:37 AM BST
first half goals under 1.5@1.44 for me Wink
Report Gavrail1 September 30, 2012 10:39 AM BST
CSKA dominating, 2 goals chances missed
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:39 AM BST
where is Andrew??!!
Report Quatsch September 30, 2012 10:43 AM BST
Just followed this for a minute and two suspends already. Is it that exciting already or have Betfair placed a monkey behind the desk pressing buttons for fun?
Report badjoe September 30, 2012 10:43 AM BST
Why all the suspends? 365 at it too....
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:43 AM BST
actually it has been 3 suspends
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 10:47 AM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 10:39AM, jeyton wrote:


where is Andrew??!!


Got banned last time I heard.

Report Gavrail1 September 30, 2012 10:47 AM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 10:43AM, Quatsch wrote:


Just followed this for a minute and two suspends already. Is it that exciting already or have Betfair placed a monkey behind the desk pressing buttons for fun?


DevilDevilDevilexactly - Im watching the game and nothing happened during susoentions, not even goal attack, chance or smth.

Report skint-gambler September 30, 2012 10:48 AM BST
what for?
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 10:48 AM BST
Monkey probably went for a glass of water or a banana Wink
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:49 AM BST
and another one...let's count them for fun... ;) 4 so far
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:51 AM BST
he read my post.... 5!
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 10:52 AM BST
Watching the match and just don't want to back anything, doesn't look full of goals but you just know 1 goal and it could all blow up
Report Quatsch September 30, 2012 10:52 AM BST
I don't know how to post pictures on this forum, but I reckon they have stuck a graphic on the button similar to this:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTypp6AHXkonRH5Wp26CYHsMdl8TZnaZovVNeYut6kp9Hlj8gSeM4U9za0q

The monkey probably thinks it needs to press it on order to get fed.

Poor monkey. Silly
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:52 AM BST
6...he is having a laugh now ;)
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 10:53 AM BST
Probably the same guy that did the matches that suspended late yesterday! Now on a final warning, pressing for anything
Report badjoe September 30, 2012 10:55 AM BST
But 365 is actually the same for suspends.......
Report sherrie September 30, 2012 10:55 AM BST
Free Andrew
Report Quatsch September 30, 2012 10:55 AM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 10:52AM, Boozle wrote:


Watching the match and just don't want to back anything, doesn't look full of goals but you just know 1 goal and it could all blow up


A bit annoyed with the suspends because you naturally think the worst (lots of chances!), but I've gone for Under 3.5 goals @ 1.25 (aiming to get out @ 1.14).

Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:56 AM BST
yeap it must be really annoying if you are on unders
Report JOCI Club September 30, 2012 10:57 AM BST
1.5+ for me.
Report Gavrail1 September 30, 2012 10:57 AM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 10:37AM, Gavrail1 wrote:


first half goals under 1.5@1.44 for me


greeened all out - Kevin Kurani in Wink

Report jeyton September 30, 2012 10:59 AM BST
good man Gavrail ;) you must have been quite pissed off with the suspends
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:01 AM BST
7
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:02 AM BST
I just put a tenner on Over 10.5 suspends before HT
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:03 AM BST
8
Report Quatsch September 30, 2012 11:04 AM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 11:02AM, jeyton wrote:


I just put a tenner on Over 10.5 suspends before HT


Odds must've been like 1.01... Wink

Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:04 AM BST
Excited
Report JOCI Club September 30, 2012 11:06 AM BST
Lord of Goals - need 1.5+ in this game, so time to start weaving your magic for me please.
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 11:07 AM BST
teams starting to ramp it up now, more chances
Report badjoe September 30, 2012 11:08 AM BST
Hotting up a bit now, a goal before ht please....
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:09 AM BST
Lord of Suspends- I need 3 more before HT!
Report badjoe September 30, 2012 11:10 AM BST
0-1
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 11:10 AM BST
booom
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 11:10 AM BST
thats a suspend, do legit ones count ;)
Report JOCI Club September 30, 2012 11:10 AM BST
Thanks Lord - one more for your followers now!
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:11 AM BST
yes Boozle, 10! 2 more!
Report Quatsch September 30, 2012 11:11 AM BST
And the suspends continue... Crazy
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:11 AM BST
did i miss one?
Report Gavrail1 September 30, 2012 11:12 AM BST
what a goal - stupid play by CSKA defender Excited
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:18 AM BST
10 now!
Report jeyton September 30, 2012 11:20 AM BST
i think i missed one because BT just paid the bet! 10.5 suspends before HT. Never in doubt!
Report schaijtan September 30, 2012 11:36 AM BST
who press all time that f***g suspend button
Report luckynot September 30, 2012 11:37 AM BST
if B365 suspends, BF suspends......'kin idiots
Report Flash1966 September 30, 2012 11:40 AM BST
0-2
Report JOCI Club September 30, 2012 11:41 AM BST
The Lord of Goals provides again!
Report Flash1966 September 30, 2012 11:41 AM BST
a weekend for upsets it seems...
Report ked78 September 30, 2012 11:42 AM BST
Looks like my lay of Dinamo is a write off
Report superroger September 30, 2012 11:45 AM BST
Anyone have pics?
Report luckynot September 30, 2012 11:45 AM BST
b365 has pics
Report superroger September 30, 2012 11:46 AM BST
I dont have an account in bet365 :(
Report superroger September 30, 2012 11:46 AM BST
Whats happing with this game, why it's suspending so many times?
Report naoxatear September 30, 2012 11:47 AM BST
dzagoev red card
Report Prescott Payday! September 30, 2012 11:47 AM BST
red card cska...there goes my both teams to score!
Report francheska September 30, 2012 11:47 AM BST
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/144064/1/watch-cska-moscow-vs-fk-dinamo-mosc...
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 11:48 AM BST
Why suspended?

And why do Betfair employ trigger happy YTS kids to watch over these games. It's happening far too often.
Report luckynot September 30, 2012 11:48 AM BST
deposit £5....or go to http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/4/162/v-456271.html
Report FrankLloyd September 30, 2012 11:49 AM BST
WTF now???????????
Report naoxatear September 30, 2012 11:50 AM BST
ridiculous suspensions
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 11:52 AM BST
Don't these people have training, or supervisors who watch over them?

Their job is to sit and watch football, it can't be that fecking hard.
Report FrankLloyd September 30, 2012 11:54 AM BST
Monkeys on a Sunday morning have the shakes.....
Report ked78 September 30, 2012 11:57 AM BST
Pay peanuts get monkeys
Report colonelll September 30, 2012 11:58 AM BST
what on earth is going on
Report Flash1966 September 30, 2012 11:58 AM BST
will hill just stopped covering it!!!
Report colonelll September 30, 2012 11:59 AM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 11:58AM, Flash1966 wrote:


will hill just stopped covering it!!!


any idea why?

Report Flash1966 September 30, 2012 12:00 PM BST
nope, been suspended for ages, then just disspaeared
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 12:01 PM BST
There was a game a couple of month's ago that I stopped counting after 30 suspends.

Beyond a joke.
Report luckynot September 30, 2012 12:02 PM BST
BF are not watching it, just suspending as B365 does. B365 have no excuse - they have the feckin pics
Report elisjohn September 30, 2012 12:03 PM BST
the game will be suspended WHEN IT APPEARS THAT A GOAL IS SCORED, A PENALTY OR A SENT OFF, this is pathetic
Report DarEsMule September 30, 2012 12:06 PM BST
There appears to be a lot of goal scoring, penalties and sent offs in this match...
Report ked78 September 30, 2012 12:07 PM BST
I'm watching the game on my 365 account, nothing happening to warrant a suspension really
Report ked78 September 30, 2012 12:08 PM BST
I have just seen a ginger harry potter in the crowd though
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 12:10 PM BST
If they're relying on a third party (B365) then they shouldn't have the game In Play.

Fair enough, this is a decent and big enough game, but the Betfair In Play coupon is awash with too many obscure, low liquid games.

Icelandic reserves, Dutch women etc.

Bin them off.
Report JC1326 September 30, 2012 12:14 PM BST
Anyone know a good place to get line-ups for Russian games, in English? Need the Anzhi line-up.
Report Flash1966 September 30, 2012 12:14 PM BST
look at the sun hei v hong kong rangers game, fingers burnt i think.. away side 2-0 up and home side down to 9 players, now 2-2
Report ked78 September 30, 2012 12:15 PM BST
check soccerway mate. they might have it
Report JC1326 September 30, 2012 12:18 PM BST
Cheers, Ked. Anzhi sadly don't appear to have a Twitter account Crazy
Report Flash1966 September 30, 2012 12:18 PM BST
gonna finish here 0-2 then...oh well
Report Zack2012 September 30, 2012 12:21 PM BST
I thought they rely on a data feed - and it's a monkey at the game, as opposed to in BF Towers, that is deciding to suspend.

There is a company in the UK that had vacancies for somebody to use their software on their phone. Can't remember the company's name for the life of me, but they use an app on an iPhone etc - the person at the game then presses for a goal, potential pen etc - that will then suspend at the bookies, and the person at the game then clicks on their phone again to confirm what happened - e.g. no pen was given, chance was missed (if they'd suspended for dangerous play, i.e. 1 on 1) etc.

In lesser leagues (although given the nature of this game, I'm surprised it's happening today) they rely on the person in the crowd at the game, as opposed to a video stream. For English PL etc, it's possibly somebody in Betfair watching a stream - or just a better trained person on a phone! Guess the trainees are given the low matches!

Trying to find the company as I want a go at doing the job! Will post back if I find it - but they are the main (/only?) supply of automated data to bookies, and they have ridiculously fast uplink etc to ensure bookies get the info within seconds - so even a 8 second delay is excessive when betfair et al should know the suspend after 2-3 seconds, if the monkey on the phone as done a good enough job. Guess it's a safety net for if they haven't.

It's similar to Press Association Sport in the UK, who supply the data to Sky Sports News, BBC Sport etc for the vidiprinters and HT/FT updates (ironically that broke yesterday). PA Sport data is passed on (hence everywhere being broke yesteday during the error) and PA Sport send somebody to every game (Prem to Conference National). Below that it's up to the home club to phone through HT and FT updates to a special number
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 12:21 PM BST
Anzhi starting XI

Pomazan
Carlos
Samba
Tagirberkov
Agalarov
Boussoufa
da Silva
Lass
Shatov
Traore
Eto'o
Report JC1326 September 30, 2012 12:22 PM BST
Thanks, Kev. Source? Not that I don't trust some random guy on a forum Crazy
Report JC1326 September 30, 2012 12:22 PM BST
And for future reference
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 12:25 PM BST
Official website and Google translate is the best I could find.

Their site also has an English section, but it's quiet basic, and doesn't carry up to date news.
Report JC1326 September 30, 2012 12:27 PM BST
Cheers, mate. I'm on the official site now and Google translate, but it's pap. How can a persons name be different in Russian, anyway? Crazy
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 12:27 PM BST
I always use official sites for team news, but it's far easier in languages like Spanish and Italian, rather than Russian Crazy
Report CJ70 September 30, 2012 12:28 PM BST
Zack2012, rball.com
Report Zack2012 September 30, 2012 12:31 PM BST
ahh that's the one, cheers! Hope they weren't supplying the (awful) data for today, but suspect they may have been
Report TRFC Kev September 30, 2012 12:42 PM BST
Interesting post Zack.

I have a mate who used to work in their Stevenage office, and he said the place was just wall to wall TV's with numerous sports on 24/7. And if you go past it on the train, you will see lots of satellite dishes, so I assumed they watch games from their offices.
Report adviser September 30, 2012 12:44 PM BST
How much to you receive as a scout?
Report madverassocks September 30, 2012 12:46 PM BST
It is £45 per game
Report adviser September 30, 2012 12:47 PM BST
Thanks mate
Report Zack2012 September 30, 2012 12:54 PM BST
£45 is pretty good, but apparently there are 1000+ actions each game! (from their marketing material for the bookie side of it).

If you look at a b365 live game in play the data is constantly updating, I presume scouts are sat there constantly clicking away to cause that, so although the match tickets are also paid for I doubt anyone would be able to 'enjoy' the game as such.

I wonder what kind of supervision is placed on it - because if somebody suspended late for fraudulent reasons, to let their mate get a bet through on Betfair etc, that would cause chaos. Likewise people 'missing' or inventing goals (Don't know if it's related, but b365 frequently give goals to the wrong team then have to void bets if they've reopened the market and people have lumped on). E.g. home team go 1-0 down yet come back up as 1-0 up so everyone lumps on the away team at 7/2 or something ridiculous when it should be odds on!

In a case like today, if it did come from scout at a match, they'd surely have action taken against them? The only other explanation may be that it auto suspended for security reasons because the PDA had weak signal that kept dropping out, so they suspend until a connection is re-established and they know what's going on.
Report Zack2012 September 30, 2012 1:00 PM BST
Kev I think you are right for the bigger games, but there are far too many games in play to watch all of them. I'd expect them to use a video stream for today, given the high profile nature of the match (and nothing else major was on!) - but the video feed was fine and didn't drop out etc, so if they were using that they shouldn't have been suspending as much?
Report madverassocks September 30, 2012 1:05 PM BST
It sounds good but was alot of work when I done it. Involved lots of data being sent etc keypad pressing when Team one attacks and then ball cleared etc. Sounds very good but in reality I found it too much.
Report colonelll September 30, 2012 1:08 PM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 12:54PM, Zack2012 wrote:


£45 is pretty good, but apparently there are 1000+ actions each game! (from their marketing material for the bookie side of it).If you look at a b365 live game in play the data is constantly updating, I presume scouts are sat there constantly clicking away to cause that, so although the match tickets are also paid for I doubt anyone would be able to 'enjoy' the game as such.I wonder what kind of supervision is placed on it - because if somebody suspended late for fraudulent reasons, to let their mate get a bet through on Betfair etc, that would cause chaos. Likewise people 'missing' or inventing goals (Don't know if it's related, but b365 frequently give goals to the wrong team then have to void bets if they've reopened the market and people have lumped on). E.g. home team go 1-0 down yet come back up as 1-0 up so everyone lumps on the away team at 7/2 or something ridiculous when it should be odds on!In a case like today, if it did come from scout at a match, they'd surely have action taken against them? The only other explanation may be that it auto suspended for security reasons because the PDA had weak signal that kept dropping out, so they suspend until a connection is re-established and they know what's going on.


there was one russian 1st devision game a couple of weeks ago ascore was assigned to a wrong team for about 5 minutes and a significant amount was matched at ridiculous odds close to 1000

Report Zack2012 September 30, 2012 1:10 PM BST
Yep after watching a 365 game the other day I thought that might be the case, how long did you do it for out of interest? Was thinking 2 games a week would be good, if you could get them (I'm near London too so more games, but then I guess there are more scouts around here), but agree it may well be too much!
Report madverassocks September 30, 2012 1:17 PM BST
I personally did it for four months and averaged around 3 games a week based in East Anglia. I came away from the games feeling more knackered than the players!
Report Zack2012 September 30, 2012 1:28 PM BST
ha! Thank you, very good to know, will see if they get back to me, would love to give it a try
Report Boozle September 30, 2012 2:14 PM BST

Sep 30, 2012 -- 12:28PM, CJ70 wrote:


Zack2012, rball.com


I would definitely apply for that if my work didn't unpredictably force me to work late/Saturdays!

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