billy hills football shop punters - important

Why is it that only Bookies aren't allowed to make decisions based on profitability?
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The answer is THEY ARE, but this isn't about profitability. They're saying they'll lay my bet on e.g. Chelsea 'cos they don't know me, but knock you back 'cos they think you're an arber. They don't know the result in advance, and even if they did.....

limit on liverpool too


just a heads up for anyone backing these teams....say goodbye to your shops

unreal

paulie whatever happened with that russian

whats the Liverpool limit ?

Question for bookmakers.

You want to limit the stakes on Arsenal for example @ 13/10.  Therefore you would offer me a balance at a reduced price, I'm guessing EVENS.  Fair enough.

Therefore if I wish to back Chelsea @ 9/5 for £1000, do I get offered the first £100 @ 9/5 and the balance at 5/2??  Errrr....................I didn't think so :)

this is just for starters

i'll post pictures up of all the staff that have me down as a arber

weasels the lot of 'em

Do they really think there is a team of arbers going around all of their betting shops trying to make a pound profit each time?!

TheEdd
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paulie whatever happened with that russian


works in billys, fulham broadway

The bookmakers are compelled to take your bet at
the price displayed on their screens and they get
round it by offering half at the price (13/8) and
the other half at a reduced price (11/8) effectively
the whole at 6/4, though they cannot offer you the
whole at 6/4. Confused? It's within the trading rules.

WTF come on max £100

WTF come on max £100

Do they really think there is a team of arbers going around all of their betting shops trying to make a pound profit each time?!

They seem to think that, but so what? If they stick the prices up it shouldn't matter if you're an arber or not, a bet is a bet, they're paranoid. I suppose you should give them credit at least for holding the prices sometimes, more than Ladbrokes do. My brother in law lives on outskirts of Glasgow, Hills think he arbs, he doesn't, just likes value and he isn't even a long term winner so they're turning a way a losing punter, nuts.

Srichaphan....the traders in this firm are all hopelessly paranoid,so their minds play tricks.

Mr-right ---- I agree with you 100%.

Question for bookmakers.

You want to limit the stakes on Arsenal for example @ 13/10.  Therefore you would offer me a balance at a reduced price, I'm guessing EVENS.  Fair enough.

Therefore if I wish to back Chelsea @ 9/5 for £1000, do I get offered the first £100 @ 9/5 and the balance at 5/2??  Errrr....................I didn't think so :)

Your absolutely right Starfish and Coffee

death to william hill

all they want is the £2 acca boys and the half heads that play roulette

£100 a spin....thank you very much sir, please come again.

£100 on a 5% arb and its lies, pictures, descriptions and a look at you like you're a rapist.

the staff are next in line...scumbags the lot of them. £6ph rats

Why should they take anyones bets if they don't want to?

I think it's the case that they advertise one price for mug punters, but don't honour that price for non-mugs.  It's dishonest.  In any other form of high-street trade it would be considered a violation of the Trade Description Act.

Correct Mr.Angry, and they do like to consider themselves "retailers" these days, don't they!

Queue up at Tesco's with the shopping and they have put the price of milk up whilst you have been in store wouldn't go down well with "customers".

Why not just stick to Betfair and stop moaning?

Why should they take anyones bets if they don't want to?

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Why should they stick up prices they don't want to lay? Why not just keep the price lower, there are plenty mugs who'll take it anyway.

Why should they apply ridiculous stake limits? Do they EVER limit stakes for ANYONE on FOBTs?

Perhaps Hills will introduce a new customer promotion whereby they will let valued customers change their stakes once the result is known? This is the firm carrying the name of a man who once layed a horse on-course up to his eyeballs to the point literally where he would have had to run away if it had won.

Good of Paulie to post this, but it has of course gone on forever. Anyone who wants to avail themselves of the price knows what to do.

It surely hasn't gone on in such an underhand way before, Dave.

Dave Edwards.......Split Second.........?

Alias, I am not him!

I used to work behind the jump for laddies & can definitely confirm they've been doing this forever.

Before computers you'd get screen messages & phone calls etc, but they would always try to limit their liabilities concerning smart money.

Get BF closed down and you might have half a chance again.

Get rid of the FOBTS and maybe have a better chance again.

This argument has been done to death on here.

It is now nigh on impossible for a bricks and mortar firm to compete with exchanges and internet betting as a whole where horse racing s concerned.If that weren't the case then why don't they simply alter their practices now and make more money on horses?

Removing FOBTs would possibly make things even worse in terms of restrictions etc.

"Removing FOBTs would possibly make things even worse in terms of restrictions etc."


Cant agree with that. Remove the FOBTs and they either start taking bets are close down due to lack of trade. It's the FOBT's that are keeping the shops open as they now make that much off them they don't have to accept large bets on horse or sports markets.

Loads of shops would close and those that remain would have even harsher restrictions as there wouldn't be a buffer from the FOBT income stream.

All investment would be redirected to online betting and overseas expansion.

As I said earlier I think it is a myth that they would take more horse bets. If it were the case then why would they not just do it now? Regardless of the easy FOBT income I find it hard to believe that they would willingly turn away any income stream.

The sands have shifted & they are never going back.

I witnessed the first day of it. I was working the day that slot machines were first allowed into betting shops. £10 jackpots. Guy walks in & asks for £10 note to be changed into coins & fed them into the machine & repeated this 5 more times. I couldn't believe I was watching someone put more into a machine than the jackpot.

The soul went that day.

Paulie Gualtieri 30 Sep 12 14:09 Joined: 03 Jan 10
the staff are next in line...scumbags the lot of them. £6ph rats

No wonder you don't get good service with that attitude, would delight in refusing your bet myself. (nothing wrong with rats either)

Before computers you'd get screen messages & phone calls etc, but they would always try to limit their liabilities concerning smart money.


Dave, we're not talking about smart money here, just the extreme reluctance to lay advertised prices, along with "arber" paranoia.
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If that weren't the case then why don't they simply alter their practices now and make more money on horses?

Because B_B, as you well know, the FOBT profits are easy, totally risk free. (Apart from damage caused by newly skinned addicts.) Has any LBO manager ever had to call head office for permission to lay on behalf of a FOBT? Removing FOBTs would FORCE the big firms back to their prime business, the business for which they were originally licensed.

I used to work behind the jump for laddies & can definitely confirm they've been doing this forever.


I know Dave, I was once the subject of Laddies equivalent of Pinkerton's agency mid 1980s.

No wonder you don't get good service with that attitude, would delight in refusing your bet myself. (nothing wrong with rats either)

i just whistle to myself on the way out with a smile on my face safe in the knowledge that im not a w@nker who works in a bookies.

What is your job Paulie?

I like the staff who let you get round the traders by letting you get other punters in the shop to put your bets on for you.

Don't be so harsh Paulie, probably most LBO employees would change jobs if they could. There are mortgages and things to pay, and not a great choice of alternative employment.

Because B_B, as you well know, the FOBT profits are easy, totally risk free. (Apart from damage caused by newly skinned addicts.) Has any LBO manager ever had to call head office for permission to lay on behalf of a FOBT? Removing FOBTs would FORCE the big firms back to their prime business, the business for which they were originally licensed.

Alias you totally miss the point.

What I am saying is that if there is a potential additional income stream to be had from trading horses differently why on earth would they not do it now and have those profits to top up the FOBT profits?

To suggest that a plc makes a decision to ignore an available income stream because they already get enough from elsewhere is fanciful in the extreme.

mortgages my arris

in the london shops 95% of the idiots are straight off the banana boat

any clued up staff jumped ship years ago when they knew the game was ****

all the new lot are robots programmed by rules and **** scared of anyone having a bet.

Banned_Banks.

Fanciful? Why take ANY risk one one side of your business when the other side is risk free?  I ask you again: has any LBO manager EVER had to seek permission to lay on behalf of a FOBT? They often reach for the phone for seemingly silly amounts on horses or football (witness lots of reports on this forum), but you and I know that a punter could stuff ANY amount into a machine and all the staff can do (or will be allowed to do by their masters) is wait to open the machine and count the loot. Maybe even that won't be required if it's on a card.

The surfeit of in-your-face FOBT advertising speaks for itself.

There is also the question of stake money diverted from racing and sports and into the machines, to the detriment of the levy conspicuously. This is of course difficult to quantify, but it undoubtedly happens.

Why take ANY risk one one

Should read....on one

I understand what you are saying however if the risk is deemed reasonable they would do it now. I don't think that the removal of machines would make them increase their appetite for risk. They would turn to online and overseas investments to grow the business.

In terms of machine money going back over the counter I'm not so sure that most would not just disappear. I think plenty of machine players would have little interest in normal betting. I also think that bookmakers would try and get people on other non levy products as the profits are more. Wall to wall football and virtual racing I reckon!

I understand what you are saying however if the risk is deemed reasonable they would do it now.

If you understand what I'm saying, you'll understand that the risk is only the risk they were exposed to for umpteen years as BOOKMAKERS. That is, bona fide bookmakers (and of course they did prosper) as opposed to operators of mini casinos and arcades.

Let's be honest, the big firms in particular have never had it so good. With GPT replacing the iniquitous and unfair GBD they found themselves treated much more fairly tax wise. Then the "boon" of AWPs and FOBTs. The trouble is, their greed has now led them to the point where they really couldn't care less about racing and sports, so easy is the FOBT living.

If you understand what I'm saying, you'll understand that the risk is only the risk they were exposed to for umpteen years as BOOKMAKERS.

I agree however the introduction of the machines came at almost precisely the same time as the advent of BF and the explosion of online betting. High street bookmakers have never had to trade against BF and internet firms without the FOBT income to support them. I reckon it would be almost impossible for most shops bearing in mind their cost base.

What do we end up with then? Online betting only with brutal restrictions and account closures?

Sep 30, 2012 -- 8:14PM, Paulie Gualtieri wrote:

mortgages my arrisin the london shops 95% of the idiots are straight off the banana boatany clued up staff jumped ship years ago when they knew the game was ****all the new lot are robots programmed by rules and **** scared of anyone having a bet.

ha ha thats mass immigration for you - 0 benefits lots of negatives!! but thats another issue - how did you manage to get a pic without anyone seeing?

Sep 30, 2012 -- 7:59PM, Alias wrote:

Don't be so harsh Paulie, probably most LBO employees would change jobs if they could. There are mortgages and things to pay, and not a great choice of alternative employment.

LBO?!

philip makin trained sprinter yer thick knut

You serious map? Licensed Betting Office.

Paulie Gualtieri Date Joined:     03 Jan 10
i just whistle to myself on the way out with a smile on my face safe in the knowledge that im not a w@nker who works in a bookies.

in the london shops 95% of the idiots are straight off the banana boat

Think you could potentially be on the brink of exposing yourself as a little bit arrogant, so be careful you don't want to come across that way i'm sure...

i just whistle to myself on the way out with a smile on my face safe in the knowledge that im not a w@nker who works in a bookies.

Also remember while you're smirking about the less well paid w@nkers, others will be smirking thinking you're a w@nker at you as you shuffle around in the wind and rain trying to get your little bets.

And don't forget guys,the MASSIVE savings when EPOS came in.

i wouldnt worry the only reason they put limit on these teams rather than changing them is there prem teams i work for these and no there just like any bookies gutless no i would not ring other shops to find if people are going round but obviously i would have to stick to the limits they put on screen.paulie if u came in with the attitude then you should expect to treated the way you do you may walk out knowing u not a **** who works in a betting shop you  just a seem a w@nker full stop and yes i get just as fecked off as you when my bets are refused just wait for the fast track managers to come through with even less knowledge than the ones now

paulie,tbh you come across as a right ****,at least their earning their £6 per hour without the need to turnover £400 to earn it like you arbing w4nkers.

The only thing worse than a high st bookmaker are these ****s,who think their billy big balls,yet wont risk a penny ever of their own money and the sh1t runs down their leg when this place has an outage.

^

whos an arber you deranged whopper??

im a punter with a hatred for all things william hill.

hills are actually one of the better ones - they were still going 10/11 in shops recently when Everton were 1.59 v Newcastle on here

Most would have gone 1/2 in shops and not told you

Atleast they hold all their prem prices so if you want to do trebles, 4 folds etc you get the coupon prices

They are one of the better ones, but do not hold all their prices.

Great shout we all knew what they were like know we have proof
What I really hate is all the phoney bets ooooh we have taken a £500000 bet on big bucks etc grabbing free advertising they all do it but Billy's are the worst IMO
They were asked to provide proof of the big bucks bet and wouldnt

Pauli Galtieri comes across as bitter and twisted - and adrift in a deep river - De Nile.

Think about where all of this is leading, ub.

Oct 2, 2012 -- 10:04AM, jermaine defonebox wrote:

Great shout we all knew what they were like know we have proofWhat I really hate is all the phoney bets ooooh we have taken a £500000 bet on big bucks etc grabbing free advertising they all do it but Billy's are the worst IMO They were asked to provide proof of the big bucks bet and wouldnt

hahaha yea they add a few 0s eh

Good news :
Tottenham tomorrow are Evens on the Hills coupon. I don't know if anyone on here knows about the betfair exchange, but apparently the price is 1.9. That means that you can visit the shops tomorrow and back them - then LAY the same team on here, and you must profit whatever happens!

It seems such a good offer, I'll start a fresh thread on this forum, so that everyone can take advantage, and also provide a link on moneysavingexpert.com, because, after all, you don't need to know Spurs from potaroes to profit from this!

Good luck EVERYONE!!!!

bookies mouthpiece biscuits to the rescue

do one yer nause.

Good morning Paulie, could you post any coupon arbs on here for the forum, please? It would be very useful to give everyone the opportunity of some brain-free profit. I've done my bit with the Tottenham shout (working out well) but a pro like you could share so much more. You seem a generous character, and it would benefit the rest of us.

Paulie must be busy "doing the shops" but if he was about, he surely would be telling the forum that West Brom are 21/20 on the Hills coupon.
That means that everyone can back them in the shops and lay them on here, and make a profit whatever happens. If he's doing it, you may as well do it too, if you wish.

west brom still 21/20 with billies £100 max per customer,would love to hear from anyone who gets on,they just offered me £25

Why is it that English bookies don`t trust their own odds compilers ??
Why bother employing them if you don`t rate their work enough to risk a few hundred $`s ?

A piss poor state of affairs over there IMO

Well RAPS if Paulie goes into a shop and asks for £21,000 to £20,000 West Brom, the bookie knows that Paulie will be selling that bet back on here - laying £22,000 to £20,000, thus ensuring a £1,000 profit whatever the result - so the more profitable course for the bookmaker is to refuse the arber and lay the bet on the exchange. Bit of a no-brainer really. Everybody's happy. Except Paulie.

What about the guy who just wants £20k on at 21/20 with no intention of laying off, how does that help him ?

He's only wanting to take what w/h have offered.

Arbers are just bookies cowardly excuse for not laying a bet. Just glorified arcades or mini casinos now due to the FOBTs.

starfish and coffee - good luck to the £20k punter. But how is Paulie going to look like one of those? He's spitting invective and trying to photograph the staff in the shops where he's thwarted. I imagine he appears like a raging empurpled frog to them.

nothing wrong with arbing,people get the hump with arbers because they are thick or aint got the money to do it themselfs, you forgot to put man utd up aswel

Thanks dr. - my coupon says Man Utdare also 21/20 on the Hills coupon. I wonder if Paulie knows. What started as a bit of a moan may prove to be a useful thread all round.

good luck wanted 200pound on they said 20pound and the rest at 5t6,they should sell cakes thats all they are good for,aint got a problem with any firm that changes the price but dont take the p1ss out of people and offer them 20pound

Friday night, time to go.
Good luck all.
Pauli will be on later to advise any other risk-free bets.

unitedbuscuits, I don`t get your argument at all.

If the Bookie pays an odds compiler to come up with 21/20 and then won`t risk a hundred bucks at those odds he isn`t a bookie. He is a pathetic coward.

Perhaps some of you guys have become accustomed to this way of doing business and accept it as normal.

Let me assure you that it aint. In Vegas the best books make markets close to 105% and you can get set for real money on sportsbets. Pinny is as good if not better, before the off you can get tens of 000`s on often @ better odds than here.
Australia used to be decent in terms of getting set but TAB has started to **** out lately which is a disturbing trend no doubt started by their witnessing what is going on in Europe.

Call me old fashioned but I reckon a Bookie should have an opinion and live or die by that. He already has a big advantage through the overround and thus deserves no sympathy if he won`t take a decent bet and whether the bettor may or may not be an arber is irrelevant.

still no sign of anyone getting on at 21/20,they are taking the piss and need to be brought down a peg or two

bobca got 300 on wba 21t20 but that was this morning,one bet of 200 which was ptl and 100pound bet

As pointed out above, the whole arbing excuse is utter nonsense.

They offer odds about an event for people to take. Hills collect or pay out on those odds. If the punter lays off elsewhere it doesn't have any effect on their bottom line. Someone else is paying out.

Either employ someone who understands to compile the odds or get your fresh out of university odds compiler to update his database. Whatever they choose they should at least have the balls to stand their own price imo.

Can't remember the exact details but I mind a few years ago being in a William hill shop when I heard an announcement telling all staff to check their computer screens, I sneaked over to have a look and I seen a message saying something along the lines of "if anyone places a bet of over £25 on Sam Allardyce being the next manager sacked to ring this number" I waited a few minutes then asked the guy for a quote on big Sam (was Newcastle manager at the time) being the next manager sacked and he give me 3/1 so I placed £24 on it.  By the time I got home, about an hour later, I turned on sky news to see breaking news that Big Sam had just been sacked

dr.atkins you must be a miracle worker,i have tried 13 shops in my area and every one has gone to make a phone call at which point i've told them not to waste their time or mine

i should point out that i am NOT looking to arb i just think 21/20 about what is a 4/5 chance is value

they had a list of games which they had to phone up, the girl in the shop knew me and said i play on all sports which helped me even tho it was 100pound max some staff are just cnts and do everything to fck you

arbers trying to nick a nifty gave them the excuse in the first place,parasatic boil on the arse of any genuine punters

patrick starr you sound just like a rep from billies

dr.atkins you are right ,they did have games which they had to PTL one of which was West Ham v Arsenal, Arsenal are 21/20, at the time they were 204 to lay here I guarantee that now they are 212 you can have as much as you want on

Paulie were did u get these screenshots more importantly how ?
are u an ex employee?
i did not read the whole thread.

try and get the 11/10 Everton tomorrow more chance of Elvis riding the arc winner on sunday

Absolutely spot on,Starfish and Coffee.

Got any updates,Paulie ?

Either employ someone who understands to compile the odds or get your fresh out of university odds compiler to update his database. Whatever they choose they should at least have the balls to stand their own price imo.

Different points here Dave. In a way, it seems we should congratulate WH for at least laying the price to some kind of cash, whereas Lads etc would have simply slashed it. On the other hand, I agree that they should stand a bet, regardless of whether they think punters are arbing or not. Unfortunately, all big books are quite paranoid over this aspect.

Billys generally keep their coupon prices on Premiership games this season although limiting the bets to very modest figures - Man U on Sunday being a good example as they were laying 21/20 for just £50 whereas you could get a few hundred with them on Wednesday when the coupons were first available. Think from memory they went off at around 1.76 on here. Other games from the Championship downwards they slash their prices pretty quickly along with all the other bravehearts.

Next time they knock you down to £50 or even lower, say in a loud voice: "Oh it's a pity you have such staking limits, I was going to have a monkey in that machine over there after I got my monkey on Utd". Then walk out, and don't return until they change.

I take my hat off to any LBO staff who refuse to push punters from sports to FOBTs.

alias that is exactly what they are asking staff to do if they get the increase in numbers or fobts in shops then it can only get worse for sports punters,how long before max £10 all bets for everyone (apart from cartoon racing and fobts) i still cant believe that people have not wised up to these machines

oh and if you are going shop to shop they can tap into the cctv to see who is putting bets on.