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Supposedly on twitter that Ronaldo is unhappy at Madrid and has asked to leave!
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Nice, conceding defeat by changing subject again.
Average teams can win cups, its all over the history of football.
Never be as satisfying winning it the way they did though and Roman knows it.
Average teams can win cups, its all over the history of football.
Never be as satisfying winning it the way they did though and Roman knows it.
Yes Barca with that ref was terribly hollow .
But they are the top team in Europe over the last 7 years with Chelsea and Utd .
Real Madrid are nowhere .
Sorry to destroy your illusions .
But they are the top team in Europe over the last 7 years with Chelsea and Utd .
Real Madrid are nowhere .
Sorry to destroy your illusions .
That co-efficient is skewed because English sides have the much bigger EPL to play for and don't take the Europa League seriously.
The FA Cup is bigger than that Europa League !!
Do they really include that?
Do they really include that?
Just to highlight the size and popularity of the EPL as opposed to LOL liga, Lol Liga clubs earned £660million last season, EPL clubs £970million, together with a new deal which will dwarf the old one I think we can all see which is the best league right there.
Haha good argument.
More tv viewers means higher standard league!
More tv viewers means higher standard league!
English clubs do their best to get knocked out of it and all Spanish clubs bar Barca are desperate to win it .
Cant believe it helps Spanish clubs in the overall ratings .
They can cruise in the Spanish League and go for the Europa .
Cant believe it helps Spanish clubs in the overall ratings .
They can cruise in the Spanish League and go for the Europa .
Stoke played first team against Valencia in Europa league and Man City and Man Utd had virtually their strongest teams out last year as well.
You can't blame the poor old Spanish clubs for taking it seriously, god knows they need the money.
And Real and Barca have it stitched up as they take FOUR TIMES as much money as all the other clubs.
Rubbish ,City and Utd wanted the biggest League in Europe .
The Europa would have distracted them . They threw it .
That Europa League is terrible and everyone knows it ,even Celtic reached a final .
The Europa would have distracted them . They threw it .
That Europa League is terrible and everyone knows it ,even Celtic reached a final .
Barcelona and Madrid have masive TV contracts to spend more, Chelsea and Man City have billionaires.
No wonder it is so p1ss easy for Ronaldo to score against the other clubs that turn up home and away already beat.
Middle to bottom of La Liga higher standard than Prem easily.
Crissy dreams of playing at Old Trafford again.
I know for a fact he does.
Btw not sure if it's been posted but he didn't take part in training today - he's coming back !!
Btw not sure if it's been posted but he didn't take part in training today - he's coming back !!
Why would him not training for Portugal mean he is going back?
Dont think he wants a move, wouldnt wait until after transfer window to close then come out with this if he did.
Dont think he wants a move, wouldnt wait until after transfer window to close then come out with this if he did.
he is smelling that new tv deal, fed up of playing park sides.
Real Madrid are clearly way above the level they were at 2005-2010 these days (re the debate on previous page)
I would make them joint favs away to City in the group stage ,the market may make them favs
I would make them joint favs away to City in the group stage ,the market may make them favs
rooney and 60 million for ronaldo...hes coming home
Spanish clubs are taking the Rangers route ,looks like they will need a bigger TV deal pretty soon.
Most Spanish professional soccer clubs hold large amounts of debt that are “just not sustainable,” says Jose Maria Gay, an economics professor at Barcelona University. "Spanish football is in a very tricky, very difficult financial situation,” he says
Gay, who has produced several studies on Spanish clubs' sorry finances, estimates their debt at 6 billion euros ($7.4 billion).
The 20 teams in La Liga, the elite first division that includes powerhouses Barcelona and Real Madrid, owe more than half that amount. Gay believes at least 10 teams are at risk of going under. Several are already under bankruptcy protection.
The government says teams in the top two divisions owed 752 million euros ($921 million) in unpaid taxes alone last spring, on top of around 600 million euros ($735 million) in missed contributions to the social security system.
The authorities have long tolerated clubs' traditionally loose finances because of the prestige and popularity they bring to a country where passion for the game runs deep.
That is changing. With finances squeezed by the euro zone debt crisis, the government is slashing spending on hospitals, schools and public-sector jobs, and Spaniards are starting to ask whether football clubs should be able to continue to enjoy their free ride.
Caridad Garcia, a lawmaker from the United Left party, raised the issue in parliament last spring. "These days, when families and businesses are going through such difficult times, it would be a tremendous mistake for the state to rescue football clubs," she warns.
Pressure has also come from Germany, where fans have been incensed that their teams are being beaten by Spanish clubs that are effectively subsidized by tax breaks at a time when German taxpayers believe they are paying to help Spain bail out the country’s debt-stricken banks.
Most Spanish professional soccer clubs hold large amounts of debt that are “just not sustainable,” says Jose Maria Gay, an economics professor at Barcelona University. "Spanish football is in a very tricky, very difficult financial situation,” he says
Gay, who has produced several studies on Spanish clubs' sorry finances, estimates their debt at 6 billion euros ($7.4 billion).
The 20 teams in La Liga, the elite first division that includes powerhouses Barcelona and Real Madrid, owe more than half that amount. Gay believes at least 10 teams are at risk of going under. Several are already under bankruptcy protection.
The government says teams in the top two divisions owed 752 million euros ($921 million) in unpaid taxes alone last spring, on top of around 600 million euros ($735 million) in missed contributions to the social security system.
The authorities have long tolerated clubs' traditionally loose finances because of the prestige and popularity they bring to a country where passion for the game runs deep.
That is changing. With finances squeezed by the euro zone debt crisis, the government is slashing spending on hospitals, schools and public-sector jobs, and Spaniards are starting to ask whether football clubs should be able to continue to enjoy their free ride.
Caridad Garcia, a lawmaker from the United Left party, raised the issue in parliament last spring. "These days, when families and businesses are going through such difficult times, it would be a tremendous mistake for the state to rescue football clubs," she warns.
Pressure has also come from Germany, where fans have been incensed that their teams are being beaten by Spanish clubs that are effectively subsidized by tax breaks at a time when German taxpayers believe they are paying to help Spain bail out the country’s debt-stricken banks.
Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:42PM, Return_Of_Dawsy wrote:
I know for a fact he does.Btw not sure if it's been posted but he didn't take part in training today - he's coming back !!
walofs. He wasn't in training because he was honouring Aurelio Pereira.
http://www.dn.pt/desporto/sporting/interior.aspx?content_id=2745560
Rangers were demaoted to Scottish div 3 for unpaid tax violations.
Seems UEFA should be looking at the Spanish clubs in this FFP exercise .
Seems UEFA should be looking at the Spanish clubs in this FFP exercise .
Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Return_Of_Dawsy wrote:
Crissy dreams of playing at Old Trafford again.
Yeah he does for when man city have to play there.
CRISSY WILL NEVER SIGN FOR CITY HOPE THIS HELPS.
what does that have to do with your report that he's missed training and is returning to United?
Man city Chelsea and PSG only teams that can afford him man utd are small time compared to these big clubs they simply can't compete on the finances with these super rich clubs.
Not really Man Utd are far better set for the new FFP rules than Chelsea, Man City and PSG.
So Chelsea and City can attract investors to the best league in the world and pay their taxes while Spanish clubs are avoiding tax and hospitals are not built . UEFA ,over to you .
JamDav these idiots are clueless and know nothing.
A H Hunter, you seem to have a fixation with Spanish taxes, which clubs are you specifically referring to?
Sep 3, 2012 -- 9:08PM, JamDav1982 wrote:
Not really Man Utd are far better set for the new FFP rules than Chelsea, Man City and PSG.
What do you think is going to happen when a club doesn't meet the FFP "guidelines"
Uefa will ban them by the sounds of it.
I think it will happen and most of the top clubs seem to as well.
I think it will happen and most of the top clubs seem to as well.
Take your pick from at least 10 and they all avoid tax like Rangers .
Jamdav I know they say they will ban them but let's be honest here it's not going to happen is it?
correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Rangers went into administration
They are not avoiding paying tax, over the last couple of seasons they are all paying it back.
There has been one big offender - Atletico Madrid and they are paying off the tax debt with every transfer.
The debt is nowhere near enough to build a hospital, despite AH being a drama queen.
There has been one big offender - Atletico Madrid and they are paying off the tax debt with every transfer.
The debt is nowhere near enough to build a hospital, despite AH being a drama queen.
some Spanish clubs probably haven't paid the cleaners either
Atletico are repaying 15 mill euros a year - considerably more than Rangers will ever repay
Spain is the S in PIGS .
The country is crippled and the football clubs are tax evad
The country is crippled and the football clubs are tax evad
The Spanish clubs are paying back the tax.
A H hunter just reads a few headlines and comes up with some sweeping unfounded statement that he doesnt really understand.
A H hunter just reads a few headlines and comes up with some sweeping unfounded statement that he doesnt really understand.
The Spanish league is poorer in almost every indicator except one .
JamDiv the bitter sweatie .
Real Madrid
JamDiv the bitter sweatie .
Real Madrid
and here is the biggest indicator -
All done with 10 men in the Nou Camp and a straight ref .
All done with 10 men in the Nou Camp and a straight ref .
Every time A H Hunter makes an idiotic point and gets called up on it, he produces that photo.
So sad and transparent.
So sad and transparent.
Real Madrid will easily beat Chelsea and Utd .
Idiotic point ,moi?
Give up lad ,your prejudice will kill you .
Idiotic point ,moi?
Give up lad ,your prejudice will kill you .
And still nothing relevant from A H...............
The big clubs have done that multiple times.
A few small clubs have done it once.
The big clubs have done that multiple times.
A few small clubs have done it once.
A H Hunter, it is only Chelsea fans that believe Chelsea are the best team in Europe. Occasionally in football a small underdog achieves great things (like Wimbeldon winning the FA Cup and Greece winning the Euros) Even Atletico are rolling around the floor laughing at the thought
Is there any way you can contact Betfair and ask them for a private bet?
I wouldnt mind wagering £1k with A H that Madrid go further than Chelsea, if eliminated at same stage bet void.
I wouldnt mind wagering £1k with A H that Madrid go further than Chelsea, if eliminated at same stage bet void.
Anyone who celebrates Chelsea parking the bus last year in the Champions League is to be pitied
A H is what is commonly known as a tosspot.
A H is what is commonly known as a tosspot.
Another thread ruined with two posters who for about 4 pages argue over nothing, one repeats the same point and the other repeats the same photo. Epic waste of time 
Show me the market jamdiv and the odds that reflect your confidence and remember you would have lost this bet in the last 5 years and with an even amount of luck Chelsea would have won it twice not once .
and with an even amount of luck Chelsea would have won it twice not once .
Nobby the armchair expert seething at the barca humiliation at Wembley still .
hardly helps my argument to be honest
Oh and that small club has won three league titles (THE BEAT LEAGUE IN THE WORLD) and loads of FA Cups.Amazing where a bit of luck can take you
Enjoy again ,you know it hurts. ten men and a straight ref.
hardly helps my argument to be honest
Oh and that small club has won three league titles (THE BEAT LEAGUE IN THE WORLD) and loads of FA Cups.Amazing where a bit of luck can take you
Enjoy again ,you know it hurts. ten men
and a straight ref.
Keep celebrating like a small club A H.
Big clubs do it multiple times.
If there is any way to get an evens bet on Chelsea v Madrid in the CL my money will be down.
Big clubs do it multiple times.
If there is any way to get an evens bet on Chelsea v Madrid in the CL my money will be down.
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A H is what is commonly known as a tosspot.
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Anyone who celebrates Chelsea parking the bus last year in the Champions League is to be pitied
A H is what is commonly known as a tosspot.
evens
Your money does not match yer mouth ,son
Probably seen the 5 year record for this bet.
Your money does not match yer mouth ,son
Probably seen the 5 year record for this bet.
What is your point you would like better than evens?
That tells the whole story.
That tells the whole story.
My point is you have a big mouth and a small wallet,evens
that tells a story
that tells a story
Beat Utd and chelsea easily
Goodnight my old sweatie mate ,sweet dreams . or nightmares
Goodnight my old sweatie mate ,sweet dreams . or nightmares
You really are dim.
You think Chelsea are better I think Real are.
Simple evens bet.
I would def take shorter odds on Madrid, but why would I if you 'think' Chelsea are favourites.
Keep up.
You think Chelsea are better I think Real are.
Simple evens bet.
I would def take shorter odds on Madrid, but why would I if you 'think' Chelsea are favourites.
Keep up.
Div You said your madrid losers would beat Chelsea and Utd easily now it is evens Chelsea .
Get up 2/1 you w@nker
Get up 2/1 you w@nker
WOW you are thick.
Why would I give the odds to you when you think Chelsea are favourites?
Unless of course you dont........
Why would I give the odds to you when you think Chelsea are favourites?
Unless of course you dont........
A H Hunter 'Chelsea are better than Madrid'
When faced with bet wants 2/1!!
When faced with bet wants 2/1!!
But your point is the Spanish are so much superior ,no .
You have been arguing it with no basis for a while now . So given your are so **** sure 2/1 would seem like fair odds to confirm your strongly held belief,no?
You have been arguing it with no basis for a while now . So given your are so **** sure 2/1 would seem like fair odds to confirm your strongly held belief,no?
I just want very good odds off a total mug who ignores 5 year trends
OK I will explain to you in simple terms why the bet should be evens -
1. You think Chelsea are better I think Real Madrid are
2. Pointing out I have said Real Madrid are better but want evens is a poor point on your part!!!
3. When you are so cocky about how Chelsea have been better over the 'last five seasons' yet want 2/1!!!!
1. You think Chelsea are better I think Real Madrid are
2. Pointing out I have said Real Madrid are better but want evens is a poor point on your part!!!
3. When you are so cocky about how Chelsea have been better over the 'last five seasons' yet want 2/1!!!!
Bottling the bet and wanting better than evens despite thinking Chelsea are better, doesnt make any sense.
Evens is the only odds that would def give us both value on our opinions?
Is that simple enough to understand?
Evens is the only odds that would def give us both value on our opinions?
Is that simple enough to understand?
Clearly cant back up the pictures and b0llocks when it comes to it.
Real Madrid are far superior though in your opinion and you are the bookmaker so reflect that with your odds .13/8 and I am on mouth ring betfair and get them to contact me .
I will not hold my breath . And remember those 5 year trends .
They would seem to indicate you are talking bollox .
I will not hold my breath . And remember those 5 year trends .
They would seem to indicate you are talking bollox .
Again you dont get it.
I have said Madrid are better you have said Chelsea are. Why does it only matter that I have said it?
I could just as easily try and ask for 2/1 from you.
If you genuinely think Chelsea are better you would take evens.
I have said Madrid are better you have said Chelsea are. Why does it only matter that I have said it?
I could just as easily try and ask for 2/1 from you.
If you genuinely think Chelsea are better you would take evens.
Keep back tracking.
Its funny that picture comes out any time you are struggling.
Its funny that picture comes out any time you are struggling.
I'll price it for you 
at Bernabeu : Real Madrid 8/15 Chelsea 5/1 Draw 11/4
at Bernabeu : Real Madrid 8/15 Chelsea 5/1 Draw 11/4
Trying to back out and get 2/1 beacuse I have said I think Real Madrid are better earlier on.
Just ignoring he has been saying the same thing about Chelsea the whole way through.
The desperation for 2/1 tells the whole story.
Nothing to back it up.
Just ignoring he has been saying the same thing about Chelsea the whole way through.
The desperation for 2/1 tells the whole story.
Nothing to back it up.
bloody ell, jam 'rain man' dav still arguing it after midnight probably would have been 6a.m but everyone got bored of him.
What on earth are you numbskulls talking about to make this thread so long?
I refuse to read it because its sooooo stupid.
I refuse to read it because its sooooo stupid.
Chelsea Champions of Europe is still funny
Then thrashed by Athletico
Then thrashed by Athletico
All the talk (if you believe what you read of course) today is that this is solely down to money. Nothing to do with player arguments or him not winning the ballon d'or, all the talk now seems to be about how it's because Real are unwilling to renew his contract yet simply because he still has 3 years left of his current one and if they renew it, it will cost them a fortune in tax (€45m over 3 years apparently)
However if you weigh up that outlay against possibly losing their star man, i know which option i'd take.
However if you weigh up that outlay against possibly losing their star man, i know which option i'd take.
Which will of course make him even less popular at a time when the country is on it's knees financially
I wouldn't pay any attention to UEFA coefficient, they use Europa League results ffs - and we all know how much EPL clubs care about that competition. The EPL is the highest qulaity league in the world, no question about that in the minds of knowledgeable football fans.
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