How do you rate that performance?

poor BUT job done

Doing what's needed. That is all that matters. 2 wins and a draw from that group is much more than I was hoping for.

Kudos to Roy imo.

thirded

milner,young parker very poor again rest looked ok carnt see them beatin italy

^what mr baboon said.

a good/lucky team will murder this england side. they've had three chances and haven't played well yet.

As above.

italy will thrash you lot,
SuperMario

6 out of  10

I rate it as a winning and group winning performance.

the rest did allright?

rooney?????????????????

job done but sundays game will not be pretty,0-0 the bet

typical Roy Hodgson team they'll be well organised and hard to beat but they're very re-active and not pro-active so a lot depends on what the opposition does, if the opposition plays well i think England will struggle but if they don't they can nick results.

The overall performance was , well, crap.
But all of a sudden we are getting away with little things, the defence looks composed.
Attack wise, must do better. 7/10.
When we play a decent side, maybe the best thing we could do is concede early and then the shackles can come off.
Wellbeck/Rooney/Young surely has some potential?

best england performance in years. still crap mind.

I thought they were terrible. Gave it away so many times.
Never got the momentum at all in the first half. You can't do that for long.

A job done. That's all we need to do.

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Final group games:  The world and European champions struggled, France lost, hitherto impressive Russians out, Dutch out, even the Germans were a debatable penalty from being in big trouble.

1-0 v the hosts is a decent recent.

very ,very lucky....shuould have been 2-1 to Ukraine

and yet so many have a go at spain what a joke job done my arse

England are a really average side who have just improved defensively.. that is all

well the best team doesn't always win it...and we're not the best team. Can't see past Spain.......

England are cr*p. The Ukraine were the better side imo, bar the clown in goal for them.

Italy have some good forwards, I'd expect them to score and England to struggle badly.

Supposedly, The best thing about this England team is a tight, defensive setup. Yet the defence was shaky v the Swedes and tonight, relied on a dodgy decision and a player missing from 3 yards out. A team with some good attackers will knock England out imo.

dza is spot.

..on

I thought for the first 20 minutes England looked woeful.

Bar the keepers howler they didnt really look like scoring....

If Shevchenko was fit I think he'd have tucked one of their chances away.

Think pace is the key against Italy. Surely Walcott must get more game time.

All this sh1te about Milner and A. Young doing defensive work -- well, if you have wingers who actually carry a threat, then the opposition full-back will spend more time going back towards his own goal rather than bombing forwards.

The way England set up is to invite teams on, whilst not looking particularly solid. I don't think it's a winning combination...

You talk a lot of sense dza.

You should send a cv to white heart lane!

They don't need anyone to clean the toilets at the minute, Mr. E.

i'm amazed that anybody is surprised hodgson has always picked teams that "have shape", are difficult to beat , but are very uninspiring.

his aim is to grind the opposition into the dust defensively, hence milner and a mainly withdrawn ashley young, picked purely for defensive duties, it's quite easy to make the case that he plays four "holding" midfield players.

defend as if your life depended on it, and hope to get a break in their area.

but you know what???????????

it might just work

poor performance but won
ukraine probably edged it overall, but winning is all that matters

We defend cr@p tho, like in all our games.

We know what his aims are Mex, but I don't think England look all that soild defensively.

Italy have some sharper forwards, it'll be a much better indicator. I think Italy will be too good for England, but we shall see.

Very poor performance. Ukraine much the better side and unlucky not to be going through. If they had better attacking players England would have been taken apart in the first half.

Italy aren't much better though, and it'll be a cagey game. If England performed like tonight against the Germans they'd do well to keep it to a 2 goal defeat.

Young and Welbeck are looking awful at the moment,it has to be said.Team looks much better with Walcott and Carroll on.

Rooney was absolutely dreadful tonight and England are a half decent team away from a right hiding,IMO.

won like an even money shot.............

still cant understand why u have a go at spains keep ball and still winning and yet appear quite happy with england playing like that, mexicano

tbh id take germany ahead of spain every time right now.

see once again tony you show how juvenile you are.

i call it how i see it, i don't make things up that people have said just to try and prove a spurious point.

please show me any post where i've said i'm quite happy with england playing like that.

the truth is i haven't, but you have to pretend i have in order to try and have a pop at me.

you see what you don't nunderstand is that england are my team, i had no choice in the matter i was born here. in exactly the same way that chelsea are my team. I HAVE TO SUPPORT THEM. i didn't cast my gaze far and wide to see who were the best, then pledge my lifelong allegiance to them because i "LIKED THE WAY THEY PLAY"

somebody once said football teams should be like your feet, gnarled smelly and horrible. you were born with them and that's the way it is.

unfortunatly too many people treat foofball teams like a pair of shoes, keep looking till you see something you like.

i'm definatly a feet man.

how about you?

When have England played good quality foortball in tournaments? Normally we are cr@p and lose. Now we are cr@p and have scraped through.
When was this golden age of great England performances. 1966?

people keep saying england were lucky but all teams need a bit of luck and lets hope we havent used all ours up!

most of the time england advance in tournaments it tends to be when their spirit manages to overcome a superior technical team.

that happened tonight.

and it could also happen against the ayties.

England were poor to average.
But Italy are not great so I think England will beat them.
Hopes will be sky high, then England will be trounced in the semis.

Hopes will be sky high, then England will be trounced in the semis.

unless...................................................

Does anyone else feel this team has a sort of humility about it that no England team has had for a very long time?

It's as if they know they ain't the best team but they'll go down fighting and give it their all.A James Milner of a football team if you like.The wags of Svens era and the underlying frustration at Fabios era seems a long time ago.

Just a bunch of decent hard working players trying to win against teams of vastly superior technique through hard work and commitment.

Very similar to a decent championship team going on a decent FA cup run.

Spot on Clarkey

just aboit right clarkey.

I agree with clarkey. Have been quietly impressed by the attitude, and think the fact that they know they are limited gives them a better chance than in previous tournaments - always used to give the impression that they weren't 100% committed because someone else would save them if a few individuals had a poor game.

I have been very quietly impressed with them. They have been poor technically, but as others have said there are at least two good teams not in the knockout stages, and Italy are very beatable. Much better that we have them than Spain.

A few have knocked us for conceding twice against Sweden but they put two (and could have had more) past a French side that was on a 24-match unbeaten streak. And while we were lucky with the non-goal, Rooney should have had us 1-0 up at the break. Joe Hart didn't actually have much to do.

It's not pretty but it was never going to be. Roy knows what he's doing and so far it has worked. You just never know. There are enough talented players in the side to beat any team in this tournament granted luck. It's unlikely but they have a squeak.

Who gives a fck? We're there whether we deserve it or not, even though we obviously DO!! Chelsea won the CL ffs. We've been arguably the best defensive side in the tourny.

Seethers can go to hell and suck satans mangey pecker.

There is no chance that the players that France, Sweden and Ukraine have should be seen as 'technically superior to what England have.

All the English players play for the top English clubs in what many people tell us is the best league in the world.

They have been poor in all three games and got by on a good bit of luck so far.

With the players they have, they should look a lot stronger.

I've never liked John Terry but my boy and I were cheering like mad when he "cleared" that ball off the line tonight.For some utterly bizarre reason,I've really warned to this England team and this is coming from a die-hard Welshman

clarkey.

you know you've never been comfortable as a taff.

closet englishman imo

we give the ball away all the time because of the way the team is set up not technical inferiority to players from the Ukraine FFS!

We play with 2 banks of 4 in straight lines. You need triangles for a "technical" passing game.

Woy and England is yin and yang. There's a trust and understanding. There's no bullshit.

Awise sir Woy. More beer needed.

the team has been set up in exactly the same way that capello initially set it up that had everybody moaning.

the difference today is that the players seem more prepared to try and make it work.

but yes this team have defo gone on charm offensive and they aall seem to have a togetherness. Reckon if Rio had gone it wouldn't have been the same. All the players are mixing well not splitting off with team mates etc. The young lads like Carroll and ox seem to have helped this

I've always had a soft spot for the England football team mex,ever since Italia90.Then through Sven and Maclaren etc the egos ruined it for me.The whole Lampard-Gerrard boll0x when both were outclassed by 90% of the opposing midfielders which seemed to be completely ignored by the media etc

I like this team though and I want them to do well.Suprising what you an achieve having so many Liverpool players in the squad isn't it?

it's a disgrace the stick the liverpool players received. They've arguably contributed the most as well

At least they are putting a shift in at this tournament, unlike WC2010.

We are very weak in the centre of midfield which means that we never have control of a game

We are experts at making very ordinary teams look like world-beaters

And the United players have looked the worst players on the pitch

I for one cant stand the set up ,we are so far technically behind our world cup 98 team its embarassing.Having said that we could easily scrape a 0 0 or 1 0 win against Italy.I just cant get excited by it.

I've had to come to terms with big Sam football at my club it's **** but he got us up,
England well if we can go though having two shots on goal every game it begs belief !
I think our midfield shot to bits Parker looks ****ed stevie g our best player by mile playing holding position!
Only one who can put a ball in the box , young ,Milner waste of space, roo get sent off with lack of service v I TIES
+ he ain't fit.

England played Sweden,France & Ukraine...all three were better than England...luck will desert them soon i'm sure.

Everyone saying how great Roy is !
He's boring old ****! Imo
Wolcott , andy long mop auto come in, play roo left or off the two main boys!
Only chance where have beating the ITIES we ain't going to outplay them !
13/8 both sides **** I would make us 9/4 shots myselfs

what you've said doesnt make any sense at all, fatty imo

MilanBarosh

England played Sweden,France & Ukraine...all three were better than England...luck will desert them soon i'm sure.

Thought a draw was fair enough v France, didn't think either side was massively superior.  Thought we deserved the win vs Sweden as we were the better team for most of the game.  Last night we weren't great but then neither were Ukraine.  Definitely didn't deserve to lose.  But all about opinions I suppose.

Group stages are all about getting through regardless of performance.  We have a good chance against Italy if we can keep hold of the ball better.  Would like to see Walcott play as I think he can do some damage with his pace and put them on the back foot.  If we allow them to dictate the game, Pirlo will kill us.

Cmon England.