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17 Jun 12
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He does it at the highest level!
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not again
The fact that Spain didn't even select Messi for the tournament speaks volumes
he's certainly brought the tournament to life.
was absolute class tonight.could have scored 4...
was absolute class tonight.could have scored 4...
Far From Trouble
The fact that Spain didn't even select Messi for the tournament speaks volumes
FFS!!!
He plays for Argentina
The fact that Spain didn't even select Messi for the tournament speaks volumes
FFS!!!
He plays for Argentina
Highest level my arse. Before tonight, he'd scored five goals in major tournaments. The first two were his first two international goals with home advantage, two others were against Iran and North Korea. Ronaldo has yet to prove himself at the highest level.
Far From Trouble, I got it, the joke made all the more funny by ebul spectacularly NOT getting it :)
PS - Ronaldo is a sweaty wipe on the arse crack of life!
PS - Ronaldo is a sweaty wipe on the arse crack of life!
yes... he has never lived up to his reputation for Portugal
before tonight
But he has played a lot better for Real this season
so maybe his best to come at international level
Messi disappointed slightly at last WC
but still in front of Ronaldo for me
before tonight
But he has played a lot better for Real this season
so maybe his best to come at international level
Messi disappointed slightly at last WC
but still in front of Ronaldo for me
No worries ebul, I was about to make the same crap joke, and not only was it already made, had caught a little fishy :)
Actually given the argies ridiculous claim to the falklands is via spain and from before Argentina even bl00dy EXISTED, surely reciprocally Spain have a claim on Messi? :) Spain should demand him in their squad, against Argentinas colonialism of tricky low centre of gravity footballers!
I think Iniesta's record is probably better than both of them
forum defo in decline, the same messi/spain 'joke' still doing the rounds.
finnish i tells ya.
finnish i tells ya.
He does it at the highest level!
look at the clubs who the czech players play for and have a rethink
look at the clubs who the czech players play for and have a rethink
100% agree messi go's missing in the international tourneys
We all await the the Gomez/Podolski thread in the same vain tomorrow
In terms of goals and assists the best tournament either of them have had was Messi's Copa America in 2007.
In the two world cups Messi has played he became Argentina's youngest ever goal scorer at World Cups in the first and in the second he was shorlisted for player of the tournament.
Hardly the case that he always goes missing.
In the two world cups Messi has played he became Argentina's youngest ever goal scorer at World Cups in the first and in the second he was shorlisted for player of the tournament.
Hardly the case that he always goes missing.
Neither of them are fit to lace the likes of Maradona, Pele, Zidane's boots.
Messi easily better than Zidane and Ronaldo arguably is now better as well.
Ronaldo is the best player on the pitch apart from when Messi is there. That said, Ronaldo is improving year by year... he's always been a very big character and stands out from the rest. These days he can actually deliver the goods though and doesn't go missing when things aren't going his way.
In terms of work rate, i think Ronaldo has worked harder than Messi - his fitness, strength and pace have all improved over the years. I feel it's all effortless for Messi... he could step out on to a pitch having had a chinese & mars bars the night before followed by a few pints and he'd still just provide that 'magic' through pass or flick to earn himself a yard of space. It's natural, which is why Messi is regarded as the best.
In terms of work rate, i think Ronaldo has worked harder than Messi - his fitness, strength and pace have all improved over the years. I feel it's all effortless for Messi... he could step out on to a pitch having had a chinese & mars bars the night before followed by a few pints and he'd still just provide that 'magic' through pass or flick to earn himself a yard of space. It's natural, which is why Messi is regarded as the best.
Anyone else get bored halfway through reading JamdDav's post?
Anyone else get bored halfway through reading JamdDav's post?
Calm down Dawsy.
You are the most mocked person on this whole forum.
You are the most mocked person on this whole forum.
Zidane was so good he could chuck away a World Cup final on his swansong and not even care about it. Let's see Messi and Ronaldo perform on that stage and then we'll talk about it.
So Zidane getting sent off in a final is a sign of how good he was?
Zidane never even nearly dominated the World Cup in 1998, he had a solid team around him got him to the final. Messi and Ronaldo not had that luxury.
Zidane never even nearly dominated the World Cup in 1998, he had a solid team around him got him to the final. Messi and Ronaldo not had that luxury.
Zidane was imperious at every World Cup he played at. Messi and Ronaldo have been anonymous. Oh, sorry, Ronaldo has scored against Iran and North Korea.
Zidane was poor in 1998 up until the final. He was injured in 2002 and had a good 2006 but fked that up for himself.
any top striker in the world would have done well against czech tonight and most top players would have done more with the free kicks-which are getting more sad as the euro goes on-fruitless
Retired players tend to get inflated because people think players and games in days gone by where better than the present. It won't be long before somebody says they seen Zidane turn water in to wine and cure the sick.
Ask someone who is 30+ who the best player in the world was and you'll probably get 'Maradona'. Less than 20 and it'd be Messi. Over 40 and it's probably Pele or Best.
People like to say older players were better because it makes younger generations jealous they never got to see those guys play. It's *almost* a science - try it... ask a few people of varying ages who's the greatest footballer they've ever seen...
Ask someone who is 30+ who the best player in the world was and you'll probably get 'Maradona'. Less than 20 and it'd be Messi. Over 40 and it's probably Pele or Best.
People like to say older players were better because it makes younger generations jealous they never got to see those guys play. It's *almost* a science - try it... ask a few people of varying ages who's the greatest footballer they've ever seen...
We should consider ourselves so lucky to have god and ronaldo at the same time.Also in tennis so many great players at the same time.
This is nonsense, Messi is part of an excellent Argentina team, they are choc full of top class players in every position. The only nation with more in depth talent is Spain. In fact I would put Spain at number one and Argentina at number two in the world, on paper.
Ronaldo's Portugal have some decent players but admittedly they are quite a bit below Argentina man for man.
Zidane was part of very defensively minded French team, they were all about that incredible defence, you just couldn't score against them. They relied on Zidane to create everything, all the pressure was on him and he rarely disappointed. Unfortunately, Ronaldo and Messi often disappoint, especially when the pressure is on.
Ronaldo's Portugal have some decent players but admittedly they are quite a bit below Argentina man for man.
Zidane was part of very defensively minded French team, they were all about that incredible defence, you just couldn't score against them. They relied on Zidane to create everything, all the pressure was on him and he rarely disappointed. Unfortunately, Ronaldo and Messi often disappoint, especially when the pressure is on.
Highlander you always seem to claim that Argentina have 'world class players in every position'. Yet when named to answer a world class defence and midfield for Argentina you dissapear.
So again, name this world class midfielders and defenders that Argentina have...
So again, name this world class midfielders and defenders that Argentina have...
You're serious? Come on look at these names... like I said choc full of top class players
Higuain, Tevez, Messi, Aguero, Mascherano, Di Maria, Heinze, Veron, Demichelis, Burdisso, Milito, Samuel, Gago, Zabaleta, Lavezzi
If you cant perform with this kind of quality all over the pitch, then you have questions to answer. Messi has no excuses, there are plenty of top players in Argentina and plenty more young players coming through.
Higuain, Tevez, Messi, Aguero, Mascherano, Di Maria, Heinze, Veron, Demichelis, Burdisso, Milito, Samuel, Gago, Zabaleta, Lavezzi
If you cant perform with this kind of quality all over the pitch, then you have questions to answer. Messi has no excuses, there are plenty of top players in Argentina and plenty more young players coming through.
Name your strongest starting eleven for Argentina then highlander.
Of the players you named - six are strikers when only one will play with Messi in big games.
The likes of Demichelis, Burdisso, Gago, Zabaleta, Heinze, Veron are nowhere near world class.
Of the players you named - six are strikers when only one will play with Messi in big games.
The likes of Demichelis, Burdisso, Gago, Zabaleta, Heinze, Veron are nowhere near world class.
Ask someone who is 30+ who the best player in the world was and you'll probably get 'Maradona'. Less than 20 and it'd be Messi. Over 40 and it's probably Pele or Best.
I'm mid forties and everybody I knew back in the 80's quickly realised Maradona was the greatest there'd ever been. There was very little argument about that. A lot of people hated him intensely, but still had to admit he was a football genius.
Today, Messi by a mile the best in the world. Best ever? No, not yet.
I'm mid forties and everybody I knew back in the 80's quickly realised Maradona was the greatest there'd ever been. There was very little argument about that. A lot of people hated him intensely, but still had to admit he was a football genius.
Today, Messi by a mile the best in the world. Best ever? No, not yet.
JamDav I strongly disagree with your assessment and I think you are deliberately being awkward. I have more than proved my point, the names on the list speak for themselves. At this moment and in recent years, Argentina have one the best international squads in the world. In my opinion they are second only to Spain.
And to get back to my main point, Messi is supported by top class players in all areas when he plays for his country - and I'm sure he would be first to acknowledge that. He can have no excuses for poor performances at all. If he played for England you would have a point, but Argentina are an extremely talented team.
And to get back to my main point, Messi is supported by top class players in all areas when he plays for his country - and I'm sure he would be first to acknowledge that. He can have no excuses for poor performances at all. If he played for England you would have a point, but Argentina are an extremely talented team.
Highlander again you avoid naming the Argentina team that has a world class midfield, defence and goal keeper. As it doesnt exist.
Of the players you name six are strikers, no doubt Argentina has world class strikers.
Of the other players you name - Heinze, Veron, Samuel are well past their best and are rightfullu nowhere near the national team. The likes of Gago and Burdisso are average and would get nowhere near the other top international sides.
No doubt Argentina have up there with the best front three/four players in intl football but their midfield, defence and goal keepers are far from 'world class'.
Of the players you name six are strikers, no doubt Argentina has world class strikers.
Of the other players you name - Heinze, Veron, Samuel are well past their best and are rightfullu nowhere near the national team. The likes of Gago and Burdisso are average and would get nowhere near the other top international sides.
No doubt Argentina have up there with the best front three/four players in intl football but their midfield, defence and goal keepers are far from 'world class'.
both jamdav & highlander have got a point, though jamdav more so. Yes, Argentina have got the attacking talent of wet dreams but they're only going to play 4 of them maximum per game which leaves another 7 positions to be filled.
Look at how England are comparatively blessed in the right back position with Johnson, Walker, Richards, Jones & Hibbert but are pretty weak elsewhere. Playing Richards ahead of Milner isn't going to work.
Look at the rest of the Argentina team - the keeper's weak, as is the defence and while Mascherano is a solid holder, his partner's generally Gago who failed to make the grade at Madrid and was okish at Roma last year. Look at their performance at the last World Cup for confirmation.
Look at how England are comparatively blessed in the right back position with Johnson, Walker, Richards, Jones & Hibbert but are pretty weak elsewhere. Playing Richards ahead of Milner isn't going to work.
Look at the rest of the Argentina team - the keeper's weak, as is the defence and while Mascherano is a solid holder, his partner's generally Gago who failed to make the grade at Madrid and was okish at Roma last year. Look at their performance at the last World Cup for confirmation.
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