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There is absolutely NO WAY the Scottish FA will allow Rangers in any shape or form to start in div 3 , logistically it will be a nightmare , Albion Rov vs Rangers in a ground that holds 250 yeah can really see that been allowed week in week out, the Police will not be able to control thousands of fans each week turning up on mass with no chance of getting into these grounds, as i say logistically it will not be allowed to happen, also the Revenue the SPL clubs will lose will make sure the secret voting slips into the 'Yes' we want them to remain an SPL club as well.
Oh to be sure harsh threats about future behaviour will be meted out to make sure everyone knows who's in charge and the SPl wont be messed with but they really will just want this sorry mess sorted out and swept under the carpet asap.
Oh to be sure harsh threats about future behaviour will be meted out to make sure everyone knows who's in charge and the SPl wont be messed with but they really will just want this sorry mess sorted out and swept under the carpet asap.
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That numpty Hugh Keevins on Talksport this morning now say ing 20 clubs will go bust if newco goes to 3rd div.
The propoganda from the weegie media has been on full flow this week.
The propoganda from the weegie media has been on full flow this week.
did bf settle lays of rangers for the spl or did they void 'em?
A deal will be done.The Huns will be in the 2nd tier next season,whatever that may be.
if thats the case and i supported a scottish club in the 1st div id ask for money back on my season ticket.
What would happen if they landed in Div 1..But failed to win promotion
Would it be the biggest 1.01 certainty that they got promoted the following season....Farce
Would it be the biggest 1.01 certainty that they got promoted the following season....Farce
Reagen,Doncaster and Longmuir have to resign or be sacked after this farce.
If it were my club (and I have a soft spot for Rangers) then as a supporter I'd prefer to be in Div3. The only thing that would worry me would be admission prices, while it's fair to charge £30 for a premier game I think it's unfair to charge that for Div3.
Does anyone know when the likely outcome is delivered?
Does anyone know when the likely outcome is delivered?
Whats the argument then Ovalman.
You want div 3
90 % of their fans now say they want div 3.
McCoist wants div 3.
Charlie Green wants div 3.
All other fans want div 3.
Sorted.
You want div 3
90 % of their fans now say they want div 3.
McCoist wants div 3.
Charlie Green wants div 3.
All other fans want div 3.
Sorted.
Rubbish Scotland per head of population is one of Skys biggest suscribers.
More non newcos will cancel their subscription if they do the wrong thing.
More non newcos will cancel their subscription if they do the wrong thing.
seemingly there is intrest from Sky from doing a follow (or folow follow) of Rangers as they start life outside the top division
BBC Scotland's Brian McLauchlin
"BBC Scotland has learned vote taken will put Rangers Newco in Division 3"
"BBC Scotland has learned vote taken will put Rangers Newco in Division 3"
BBC saying Div 3 -(not official).
Will New rangers have to get rid of coaching staff - how much is McCoist earning a year?
Will New rangers have to get rid of coaching staff - how much is McCoist earning a year?
No surprise .
All the non old firm clubs are sick of the threats and blackmail.
Its all backfired on them.
A more humble,concillatory attitude at the start would certainly have helped them.
All the non old firm clubs are sick of the threats and blackmail.
Its all backfired on them.
A more humble,concillatory attitude at the start would certainly have helped them.
Going to stop by Lidl on the way home from work and stock up on toilet roll and tinned beans in preparation for the oncoming armageddon the media apologists have foreseen.
shudacuda
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No surprise .
All the non old firm clubs are sick of the threats and blackmail.
Its all backfired on them.
A more humble,concillatory attitude at the start would certainly have helped them.
Thats nonsence, there was never any threats or blackmail, do you have any evidence of this???
One reason the votes went against them for the spl was the other smaller clubs were demanding up to 50% of gate even though they only turn up with 1000 fans amongst demanding other concessions such as more of the tv revenue etc etc
and once they all started throwing sporting integrity about the only place we were going was div 3 as most fans and public have know for the past month
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No surprise .
All the non old firm clubs are sick of the threats and blackmail.
Its all backfired on them.
A more humble,concillatory attitude at the start would certainly have helped them.
Thats nonsence, there was never any threats or blackmail, do you have any evidence of this???
One reason the votes went against them for the spl was the other smaller clubs were demanding up to 50% of gate even though they only turn up with 1000 fans amongst demanding other concessions such as more of the tv revenue etc etc
and once they all started throwing sporting integrity about the only place we were going was div 3 as most fans and public have know for the past month
Thats nonsence, there was never any threats or blackmail, do you have any evidence of this???
Only video taped evidence, which is not the sort of thing that would convince 12 "just men" chosen at random from the Scottish populace.
Only video taped evidence, which is not the sort of thing that would convince 12 "just men" chosen at random from the Scottish populace.
they treats were only ever repeated sarcasticly..........
plus rangers give lots to charities in 'developing' communities
so they cannot be, by definition be threatening
plus rangers give lots to charities in 'developing' communities
so they cannot be, by definition be threatening
The SPL has now turned into a league that even I could win with celtic.
Deserved punishment for a bigoted cheating rancid club. Enjoy the tour of Scotland 
The Rangers club and chequered history is now dead of course, but that is merely the tip of the iceberg.
Any and all of those responsible for fraud and/or rampant criminality should, for example, be hunted down like dogs and brought before the courts. The authorities should not rest until as many as possible of the outstanding debts have been made good. The same goes for any tax payments that have been missed, subject to HMRC winning the dispute they are involved in with the former Rangers club. No-one, but no-one should be exempt from being dragged before the courts.
The people who run Scottish football should eventually strip the former Glasgow Rangers of any trophies won during any period it is proven Rangers were acting illegally. If necessary, the trophies should be reallocated to clubs who did it clean.
On the bright side, this is a fantastic opportunity for the beleaguered Scottish football brand to try and start afresh, free of the hideous sectarianism that has blighted the country for so long. This 'Newco' (whatever one of those is) should now immediately and publicly destroy any link with the past, use colours and livery that have no link with the past, and make it clear from their Mission Statement that they want nothing to do with the horrendous past. And that includes any fans who brought disgrace on the club so often.
The bosses of the 'Newco' should publicly excoriate the actions of the former Glasgow Rangers, and state that this will be a new club that operates WITHIN the law, and any trophies achieved will be won clean.
I'm sure all of us would agree on the above as an excellent blueprint for the way ahead. Reward honest endeavour and punish the wrongdoers.
Any and all of those responsible for fraud and/or rampant criminality should, for example, be hunted down like dogs and brought before the courts. The authorities should not rest until as many as possible of the outstanding debts have been made good. The same goes for any tax payments that have been missed, subject to HMRC winning the dispute they are involved in with the former Rangers club. No-one, but no-one should be exempt from being dragged before the courts.
The people who run Scottish football should eventually strip the former Glasgow Rangers of any trophies won during any period it is proven Rangers were acting illegally. If necessary, the trophies should be reallocated to clubs who did it clean.
On the bright side, this is a fantastic opportunity for the beleaguered Scottish football brand to try and start afresh, free of the hideous sectarianism that has blighted the country for so long. This 'Newco' (whatever one of those is) should now immediately and publicly destroy any link with the past, use colours and livery that have no link with the past, and make it clear from their Mission Statement that they want nothing to do with the horrendous past. And that includes any fans who brought disgrace on the club so often.
The bosses of the 'Newco' should publicly excoriate the actions of the former Glasgow Rangers, and state that this will be a new club that operates WITHIN the law, and any trophies achieved will be won clean.
I'm sure all of us would agree on the above as an excellent blueprint for the way ahead. Reward honest endeavour and punish the wrongdoers.
liamcol 21 Jun 12 23:19
"walter" never signed a player for 3 years. (oh really?)all those players must have fell down the chimney with santa claus.
"walter' never got a league extension. (oh, finished on a Thursday, Why?)
"walter" left rangers in good financial health. except for the wee matter of 134 million, he did, well done walter.
"walter' doesn't do walking away, emmm, oh yes he does.
What did we get though?
mccoist, "name these people"!
So Raith Rovers have to get extra security for their ground and director who sat on the panel.
Now, mccoist knew fine well who was on the panel, rangers had an observer there, why he is not in front of a court case, never mind an sfa panel, beggars belief.
rangers, should not have been playing football anywhere last year, they did not have the licence or audited accounts to do so.
If Spartans or Cove rangers go for div3 place, there will be court cases if rangers newco get in ahead of them, there is no reason whatsoever.
liamcol 05 Jul 12 22:34
Sorry Mac, missed a bit of your last post.
rangers should not have been playing anywhere last year. fact, as they say in betfair language.
They did not have audited accounts, who allowed them to play?
You can take that to the bank.
If Betfair or anyone from the SFA wants to dispute this, i am waiting, btw.
Still waiting on someone disputing this, rangers should not have been playing anywhere last year fact.
They did not have audited accounts.
Multiple people should end up in jail.
trading whilst insolvent is a very serious offence.
rangers, via murray, borrowed on the strength of ibrox, murray park being worth over 100million pounds.
the admins valued them at 4.5 million.
and sold them for 1.5 million.
rangers newco should not be playing in any sfl next year, if they are it is totally against any sporting integrity.
"walter" never signed a player for 3 years. (oh really?)all those players must have fell down the chimney with santa claus.
"walter' never got a league extension. (oh, finished on a Thursday, Why?)
"walter" left rangers in good financial health. except for the wee matter of 134 million, he did, well done walter.
"walter' doesn't do walking away, emmm, oh yes he does.
What did we get though?
mccoist, "name these people"!
So Raith Rovers have to get extra security for their ground and director who sat on the panel.
Now, mccoist knew fine well who was on the panel, rangers had an observer there, why he is not in front of a court case, never mind an sfa panel, beggars belief.
rangers, should not have been playing football anywhere last year, they did not have the licence or audited accounts to do so.
If Spartans or Cove rangers go for div3 place, there will be court cases if rangers newco get in ahead of them, there is no reason whatsoever.
liamcol 05 Jul 12 22:34
Sorry Mac, missed a bit of your last post.
rangers should not have been playing anywhere last year. fact, as they say in betfair language.
They did not have audited accounts, who allowed them to play?
You can take that to the bank.
If Betfair or anyone from the SFA wants to dispute this, i am waiting, btw.
Still waiting on someone disputing this, rangers should not have been playing anywhere last year fact.
They did not have audited accounts.
Multiple people should end up in jail.
trading whilst insolvent is a very serious offence.
rangers, via murray, borrowed on the strength of ibrox, murray park being worth over 100million pounds.
the admins valued them at 4.5 million.
and sold them for 1.5 million.
rangers newco should not be playing in any sfl next year, if they are it is totally against any sporting integrity.
And more chance of Sharon Stone coming down my local tonight
Rightly or Wrongly the Whole Celtic/Rangers division and its history was one of its selling points to the outside world whether the viewers point of view was to admire or abhor the passion and politics involved.
Like it or not, top stories and rivalries are either about sporting excellence or conflict, this is now been removed from the Scottish Premier League.
btw i support West Ham and have no vested interest in the scottish game, i used to be interested in Old Firm games when they did have some top players but havent watched one for years now
Rightly or Wrongly the Whole Celtic/Rangers division and its history was one of its selling points to the outside world whether the viewers point of view was to admire or abhor the passion and politics involved.
Like it or not, top stories and rivalries are either about sporting excellence or conflict, this is now been removed from the Scottish Premier League.
btw i support West Ham and have no vested interest in the scottish game, i used to be interested in Old Firm games when they did have some top players but havent watched one for years now
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/livingston/110837-livingston-chairman-unaware-of-any-plans-to-press-ahead-with-spl2/
Rangers website....
SPL have plans for SPL2 and will invite newco and division 1 sides.
Rangers website....
SPL have plans for SPL2 and will invite newco and division 1 sides.
Hello Zilzal my old racing reminiscences chum.
Just so you know, Shazza sends her apologies but you must understand she has a prior and weightier engagement tonight in my back bedroom.
kindest regards etc
Just so you know, Shazza sends her apologies but you must understand she has a prior and weightier engagement tonight in my back bedroom.
kindest regards etc
zilzal1
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And more chance of Sharon Stone coming down my local tonight
Rightly or Wrongly the Whole Celtic/Rangers division and its history was one of its selling points to the outside world whether the viewers point of view was to admire or abhor the passion and politics involved.
Like it or not, top stories and rivalries are either about sporting excellence or conflict, this is now been removed from the Scottish Premier League.
btw i support West Ham and have no vested interest in the scottish game, i used to be interested in Old Firm games when they did have some top players but havent watched one for years now
zilzal 1
You contradict yourself in your last paragraph.
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And more chance of Sharon Stone coming down my local tonight
Rightly or Wrongly the Whole Celtic/Rangers division and its history was one of its selling points to the outside world whether the viewers point of view was to admire or abhor the passion and politics involved.
Like it or not, top stories and rivalries are either about sporting excellence or conflict, this is now been removed from the Scottish Premier League.
btw i support West Ham and have no vested interest in the scottish game, i used to be interested in Old Firm games when they did have some top players but havent watched one for years now
zilzal 1
You contradict yourself in your last paragraph.
Sky have apologised to subscribers who signed up to watch Rangers in 3D,they meant D3 haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Irn Bru who sponsor division 3 are delighted with the new addition,what better way to promote their new advert than to have a club full of fannies supported by generation after generation of fannies.
the dhims are seething
"only here to see the rangers "
"only here to see the rangers "
"Vested" = Am wearing a vest
"Investiture" = the ceremonial putting on of the vest
"Investigation" = what happens when there is suspicion of a criminal act or cheating
.................. and then we are back at Ibrox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Investiture" = the ceremonial putting on of the vest
"Investigation" = what happens when there is suspicion of a criminal act or cheating
.................. and then we are back at Ibrox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whats the argument then Ovalman.
You want div 3
90 % of their fans now say they want div 3.
McCoist wants div 3.
Charlie Green wants div 3.
All other fans want div 3.
Sorted.
I have been to Ibrox and have friends who are season ticket holders but my ONLY team is Glentoran. I'm just saying that if justice is to be seen to have been done then Rangers should be in the 3rd division.
My own club nearly went broke last season, in fact we are on our knees now but if we go the same way as Rangers then I would expect the same.
Justice has been done but if an SPL2 is formed with Rangers then it is a mockery TBF.
You want div 3
90 % of their fans now say they want div 3.
McCoist wants div 3.
Charlie Green wants div 3.
All other fans want div 3.
Sorted.
I have been to Ibrox and have friends who are season ticket holders but my ONLY team is Glentoran. I'm just saying that if justice is to be seen to have been done then Rangers should be in the 3rd division.
My own club nearly went broke last season, in fact we are on our knees now but if we go the same way as Rangers then I would expect the same.
Justice has been done but if an SPL2 is formed with Rangers then it is a mockery TBF.
It's not about justice, Sevco haven't been punished. All that happened was the rules were applied (to an extent) and a new team joined the SFL and as such started at the bottom just like any other new club would as opposed to them getting given automatic promotion to SFL 1.
If the rules were properly followed then Sevco would have had to apply for the open space along with every other team. Sevco have been given a real helping hand by getting granted automatic acceptance in to the SFL given all the other clubs who have spent years trying to get in.
If the rules were properly followed then Sevco would have had to apply for the open space along with every other team. Sevco have been given a real helping hand by getting granted automatic acceptance in to the SFL given all the other clubs who have spent years trying to get in.
okay newco in Div 3 but I can imagine Man Utd being voted out of Premier league by their peers. To be honest Man U are the only show in town....without them the EPL would be worthless.
NEWCO/SEVCO/THE RANGERS/ RANGERS WHATEVER THE **** UR CALLED......
GIRFUY
GIRFUY
The Sevco XI are to be sponsored by the new "honest" Farepak.
Don't you mean "ever been taken for a ride by attending a football match?". Regular occurrence for yesterday's peeepell from here on in.
Lol Eejit,though I remain to think that the Huns will be 'accommodated'.
Aberdeen fans thinking about getting a big banner on King st,which is the route for Peterhead.(ABOUT A 100 yards from Pittodrie Stadium)
Turn right for the SPL.
Straight on for the 3rd division.
Turn right for the SPL.
Straight on for the 3rd division.
Aberdeen Mad 
Planning placing myself somewhere on the Ellon Road and giving the buses (both of them no doubt) a wee wave on their way past - before heading off to see some top level football.
Planning placing myself somewhere on the Ellon Road and giving the buses (both of them no doubt) a wee wave on their way past - before heading off to see some top level football.
Except that the police probably won't allow Peterhead and Aberdeen to play on the same day.
Sorry to be a killjoy.
Sorry to be a killjoy.
Dundee are team 12.
Good income for Dundee/Utd, they got 11,000 or so for the friendly.
Good income for Dundee/Utd, they got 11,000 or so for the friendly.
there is a huge amount of irony in rangers being replaced by Dundee the club that wrote the book on how to make illegal payments to players & have been in administration twice themselves.
to be fair it is a totally different administration now (i hope)
to be fair it is a totally different administration now (i hope)
Peterhead play Rangers on same day Aberdeen are at home.
One or other is bound to be moved, surely. If only by a day.
Won't make much difference. 35 miles away from one another. Don't think it will be moved unless one game is on TV. SFL3 games never on Sunday.
Scratch that. I thought Peterhead was much closer top Aberdeen for some reason.
Don't think the police worry about 3rd div supports.
See Charlieboy is off to UEFA to argue they shouldn't have to pay the 3million due to European clubs.
His humility hasn't lasted long.
See Charlieboy is off to UEFA to argue they shouldn't have to pay the 3million due to European clubs.
His humility hasn't lasted long.
I said on June 19th that TEAM 12 could be training in Camperdown Park , and playing just yards away from ( fellow SPL team ) the Arabs . Not yet heard but are the fixtures now going to be adjusted to avoid 2 games in the same street on the same day ? And what happens to the Ramsdens Cup ties regards Dundee F. C. now being outwith the SFL ?
Newco will just take Dundee's Ramsdens cup fixture slot.
Brechin away on the 28th July for the record.
Brechin City v Newco 2012 Glebe Park.
Brechin away on the 28th July for the record.
Brechin City v Newco 2012 Glebe Park.
Bomber Broon is the spitting image of the zombies in the "Walking Dead"
Just signed a new contract apparently
Now up to 200 minutes and unlimited texts
The Brechin V Sevco tie is an example of what a mess the bodies running Scottish football have made . The Ramsdens Cup is regional at this stage . If Sevco win the tie do they then have to stay in the North/East section .The benefits of running the competition on regional lines are lost if you have to trail half way over Scotland .
Brechin v Sevco **** to sunday and live on BBC Alba.
Nice to see them covering the diddy teams in div 3 for a change instead of big teams like Aberdeen,Celtic,Hearts etc.
Nice to see them covering the diddy teams in div 3 for a change instead of big teams like Aberdeen,Celtic,Hearts etc.
The Brechin V Sevco tie is an example of what a mess the bodies running Scottish football have made . The Ramsdens Cup is regional at this stage . If Sevco win the tie do they then have to stay in the North/East section .The benefits of running the competition on regional lines are lost if you have to trail half way over Scotland .
easy solution: say they have to play any of their ties in the regional section away from home even if drawn at home.
easy solution: say they have to play any of their ties in the regional section away from home even if drawn at home.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9404203/Rangers-in-crisis-Neil-Doncaster-offers-no-assurances-over-SPL-deal-with-Sky.html
Rangers in crisis: Neil Doncaster offers no assurances over SPL deal with Sky
The Scottish Premier League’s chief executive, Neil Doncaster, was unable to confirm that his clubs’ matches will be televised in 2012/13.
By Ewing Grahame
11:59PM BST 16 Jul 2012
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With the Rangers newco exiled from the top flight for at least three seasons the fear is that Sky, who agreed to a new, improved contract last November (which remains unsigned) on the condition that both Celtic and Rangers would be in the SPL, may now withdraw.
The broadcaster has refused to comment on the issue but, while its withdrawal would represent a massive PR disaster for both Sky and Doncaster, the prospect remains that the clubs may now not receive their next payment of £635,000 from the station on Aug 6, an outcome which would plunge several of them into severe financial difficulties.
Doncaster spoke after Monday’s SPL AGM at Hampden but refused to confirm that Sky will be covering Scottish football.
“You know I’m not going to be drawn on the future,” he said. “When we’re in a position to clarify where we are with all of our partners then we’ll do so.”
It was pointed out to Doncaster that, since the new campaign begins in less than three weeks, time was of the essence. “Yes, I know that: it doesn’t change the situation,” he said. “I cannot comment on that at the moment. At the point where we can give clarity we’ll do that.
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“I speak to [Sky] on a regular basis. I’ve been in London for much of the past few weeks and I expect to be in London for much of the next few weeks.”
Asked whether a deal was in place, he replied: “It is what it is. I’ve been as clear as I can. I can’t be any clearer. I won’t be drawn on the specifics of any commercial arrangement, I’m not going to do that.”
He also refused to provide any guarantee that Sky will be showing Scottish football next season. “You’ll write whatever you need to write but I’ve been as clear as I can be,” he said.
Tellingly, Doncaster said in March that a deal with Sky hinged on both Old Firm clubs being in the SPL. He said: “The current contract, which comes to an end this season, says Rangers and Celtic must play each other four times a season. That’s in line with most of our large contracts – our title sponsors are the same.
“What will be in the next contract from the summer remains to be seen. You do a deal originally in a short-form agreement and then the long-form agreement follows that later on. That’s in process at the moment.”
One thing he did confirm was that, having finally confirmed Dundee as Club 12, their opening SPL fixture away to Kilmarnock may be postponed due to the wranglings with Charles Green and Sevco Scotland Ltd over the conditions attached to their SFA membership.
These include accepting the 12-month transfer embargo imposed by the Scottish Football Association (subsequently ruled unlawful by Lord Glennie at the Court of Session) plus any other fines and sanctions which may be handed down as penalties to the oldco.
Included among their number would be the punishment from the SPL board for the dual registration scandal, whereby Rangers (under the stewardship of Sir David Murray) allegedly failed to fully disclose the payments being made to employees in offshore accounts.
“That’s something that will come back to the new SPL board,” said Doncaster. “We have another board meeting in a few weeks and that issue will be tabled at that meeting on Aug 10.”
Will Rangers need to wait until then to get their SFA membership? “That’s an issue for the SFA,” he said. “It’s not a straightforward process of transferring the share over. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done between the three governing bodies, Rangers oldco, and Rangers newco.
“That work needs to cover off all the outstanding elements that have been discussed. There’s a mechanism within our rules to take that share if need be.”
Doncaster conceded that this process may not be concluded before the big kick-off on Aug 4.
“Possibly not, but we’ll work around that as we need to,” he said.
“We’ll try to get it all done by agreement but if we can’t get everything agreed for a smooth transition then there are avenues we can take to ensure the share is transferred to Dundee.”
Green himself added: “It is now for newco to take on board the sins of oldco to clear a way forward.
“There is a point where unless I as CEO accept sanctions then we won’t be granted permission to join the SFA. But it’s a balance between what’s fair and what’s required.”
Rangers in crisis: Neil Doncaster offers no assurances over SPL deal with Sky
The Scottish Premier League’s chief executive, Neil Doncaster, was unable to confirm that his clubs’ matches will be televised in 2012/13.
By Ewing Grahame
11:59PM BST 16 Jul 2012
Comments223 Comments
With the Rangers newco exiled from the top flight for at least three seasons the fear is that Sky, who agreed to a new, improved contract last November (which remains unsigned) on the condition that both Celtic and Rangers would be in the SPL, may now withdraw.
The broadcaster has refused to comment on the issue but, while its withdrawal would represent a massive PR disaster for both Sky and Doncaster, the prospect remains that the clubs may now not receive their next payment of £635,000 from the station on Aug 6, an outcome which would plunge several of them into severe financial difficulties.
Doncaster spoke after Monday’s SPL AGM at Hampden but refused to confirm that Sky will be covering Scottish football.
“You know I’m not going to be drawn on the future,” he said. “When we’re in a position to clarify where we are with all of our partners then we’ll do so.”
It was pointed out to Doncaster that, since the new campaign begins in less than three weeks, time was of the essence. “Yes, I know that: it doesn’t change the situation,” he said. “I cannot comment on that at the moment. At the point where we can give clarity we’ll do that.
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“I speak to [Sky] on a regular basis. I’ve been in London for much of the past few weeks and I expect to be in London for much of the next few weeks.”
Asked whether a deal was in place, he replied: “It is what it is. I’ve been as clear as I can. I can’t be any clearer. I won’t be drawn on the specifics of any commercial arrangement, I’m not going to do that.”
He also refused to provide any guarantee that Sky will be showing Scottish football next season. “You’ll write whatever you need to write but I’ve been as clear as I can be,” he said.
Tellingly, Doncaster said in March that a deal with Sky hinged on both Old Firm clubs being in the SPL. He said: “The current contract, which comes to an end this season, says Rangers and Celtic must play each other four times a season. That’s in line with most of our large contracts – our title sponsors are the same.
“What will be in the next contract from the summer remains to be seen. You do a deal originally in a short-form agreement and then the long-form agreement follows that later on. That’s in process at the moment.”
One thing he did confirm was that, having finally confirmed Dundee as Club 12, their opening SPL fixture away to Kilmarnock may be postponed due to the wranglings with Charles Green and Sevco Scotland Ltd over the conditions attached to their SFA membership.
These include accepting the 12-month transfer embargo imposed by the Scottish Football Association (subsequently ruled unlawful by Lord Glennie at the Court of Session) plus any other fines and sanctions which may be handed down as penalties to the oldco.
Included among their number would be the punishment from the SPL board for the dual registration scandal, whereby Rangers (under the stewardship of Sir David Murray) allegedly failed to fully disclose the payments being made to employees in offshore accounts.
“That’s something that will come back to the new SPL board,” said Doncaster. “We have another board meeting in a few weeks and that issue will be tabled at that meeting on Aug 10.”
Will Rangers need to wait until then to get their SFA membership? “That’s an issue for the SFA,” he said. “It’s not a straightforward process of transferring the share over. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done between the three governing bodies, Rangers oldco, and Rangers newco.
“That work needs to cover off all the outstanding elements that have been discussed. There’s a mechanism within our rules to take that share if need be.”
Doncaster conceded that this process may not be concluded before the big kick-off on Aug 4.
“Possibly not, but we’ll work around that as we need to,” he said.
“We’ll try to get it all done by agreement but if we can’t get everything agreed for a smooth transition then there are avenues we can take to ensure the share is transferred to Dundee.”
Green himself added: “It is now for newco to take on board the sins of oldco to clear a way forward.
“There is a point where unless I as CEO accept sanctions then we won’t be granted permission to join the SFA. But it’s a balance between what’s fair and what’s required.”
The Scottish Premier League’s chief executive, Neil Doncaster, was unable to confirm that his club's matches will be televised in 2012/13.
His club is to appear on BBC Alba.
His club is to appear on BBC Alba.
Asked whether a deal was in place, he replied: “It is what it is. I’ve been as clear as I can. I can’t be any clearer. I won’t be drawn on the specifics of any commercial arrangement, I’m not going to do that.”
yes or no would be clearer. why is everything run by bullsh1tters?
why would a dundee match be delayed because sevco haven't sorted their sfa membership?
yes or no would be clearer. why is everything run by bullsh1tters?
why would a dundee match be delayed because sevco haven't sorted their sfa membership?
Doncaster and Reagon should be sacked immediately.
They have spent the last 3 months speaking down the product they are trying to sell.
The contract they had drawn up(but not signed yet) was already undervalued compared to the likes of Belguim and other small Skandi countries.
How can you negotiate a decent deal with Sky after saying the product is **** without Rangers?
They have spent the last 3 months speaking down the product they are trying to sell.
The contract they had drawn up(but not signed yet) was already undervalued compared to the likes of Belguim and other small Skandi countries.
How can you negotiate a decent deal with Sky after saying the product is **** without Rangers?
Doncaster and Reagan should be sacked immediately ...quote... i agree with this 100% .. proven threats and blackmail
How did Doncaster get the job in the first place? When he was Chief Exec at Norwich they ended up in the 3rd tier of English football for the first time in over 30 years.
SFL rule out stripping Rangers of League Cups won during EBT era
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/sfl-rule-out-stripping-rangers-of-league-cups-won-during-ebt-era.18210068
Michael Grant
Chief football writer
THE Scottish Football League has no plans to consider stripping Rangers of the six League Cups won between 2001 and 2010, even if the club is found guilty of making undisclosed payments to players via Employee Benefit Trusts during those years.
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The two other governing bodies, the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier League, have worked on a draft document which proposes stripping Rangers of five league titles and four Scottish Cups if an ongoing investigation finds the club guilty of breaking rules by not disclosing payments made via EBTs.
But the League Cup is run by the Scottish Football League and Rangers won that trophy in 2001-02, 2002-03, 2004-05, 2007-08, 2009-10 and 2010-11, all of which were within the 2001-2010 period in which EBTs were used.
David Longmuir, the SFL chief executive, attended the Scottish Communities League Cup first round draw with First Minister Alex Salmond yesterday – they announced the Scottish Government will sponsor the cup for £1.7m this season – as Rangers were drawn against East Fife.
Longmuir played down the likelihood of his organisation taking back trophies won by Rangers. "Not at this stage," he said. "We are 'business as usual' at this moment.
"From the day we announced that Rangers would be in the third division my only thought was how to rebuild the game, get investment back in and take the game forward. I'm not looking back any more. I'm getting to the point now where I can see light at the end of the tunnel and I can see the game beginning to get back on its feet."
The SFL is still awaiting feedback from its media partner, IMG Media, having commissioned the agency to test the market for a package of 25 Scottish League games including newco Rangers this season. An SPL bid of £1m was rejected, which suggested the SFL believes much more could be raised.
"We have a broadcasting deal in place for the League Cup with the BBC and we still have another year to run. As far as the league is concerned we're currently at very early days in terms of having a look at what interest there is in SFL games. I know there is a huge interest in our new club [newco Rangers] and that will drive a lot of media attention. I'm sure there will be value in that, but in context."
Salmond said he would not attempt to persuade BSkyB to maintain its deal with the SPL. Salmond's friendship with Rupert Murdoch has led to calls for him to intervene.
"That is a matter for the football authorities and the broadcasters," said the First Minister. "I have made it clear that any help I can give, we will give. So let's leave it at that and see what announcements are made.
"Looking around to what distinct initiative the government could make, without interfering in the football authorities' rights to their own affairs, I thought enhancing our sponsorship of the Scottish Communities League Cup would be a step forward."
Of the £1.7m sponsorship, £500,000 is from the Cashback for Communities programme, in which money seized from criminals is redirected to youth initiatives.
Rangers, who were unseeded in the draw held at Stenhousemuir's Ochilview, were represented by the head of their youth department, Jimmy Sinclair. He saw them paired with East Fife in what will be the newco club's first competitive home fixture. Ties will be held on Saturday August 4 although Rangers' could be moved because Celtic are at home to Aberdeen in the SPL that day.
Sinclair was optimistic that manager Ally McCoist's impoverished squad, now reliant on several youth players, could handle the third division. "I think a Rangers jersey is a heavy jersey no matter which forum you're playing in," he said. "But the boys who have come into the team in the past have handled themselves well and I've no reason to suspect anything other than the ones who are with us now, albeit they are a bit younger, will handle it as well. It is now a bit of a grey area, what constitutes a first team player and what constitutes a youth player!"
Rangers' home attendances are difficult to predict, but the novelty of the club's first match at Ibrox is sure to draw a large crowd. That will benefit East Fife, who will receive 50% of the gate receipts after 15% is removed for expenses. "We will be the first visitors at Ibrox and I would think we would get a big turnout," said Sid Columbine, chairman of the second division club. "The Rangers supporters have had a bad time and it's hard lines on them because they are the innocent victims in all of this. I hope they turn up and help us out."
Meanwhile a source close to the owner of Napoli, Aurelio de Laurentiis, denied reports that the Italian businessman was interested in making a takeover bid for the newco Rangers. "De Laurentiis said that Scotland was an option a few years ago. Now there is nothing concrete," said the source.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/sfl-rule-out-stripping-rangers-of-league-cups-won-during-ebt-era.18210068
Michael Grant
Chief football writer
THE Scottish Football League has no plans to consider stripping Rangers of the six League Cups won between 2001 and 2010, even if the club is found guilty of making undisclosed payments to players via Employee Benefit Trusts during those years.
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The two other governing bodies, the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier League, have worked on a draft document which proposes stripping Rangers of five league titles and four Scottish Cups if an ongoing investigation finds the club guilty of breaking rules by not disclosing payments made via EBTs.
But the League Cup is run by the Scottish Football League and Rangers won that trophy in 2001-02, 2002-03, 2004-05, 2007-08, 2009-10 and 2010-11, all of which were within the 2001-2010 period in which EBTs were used.
David Longmuir, the SFL chief executive, attended the Scottish Communities League Cup first round draw with First Minister Alex Salmond yesterday – they announced the Scottish Government will sponsor the cup for £1.7m this season – as Rangers were drawn against East Fife.
Longmuir played down the likelihood of his organisation taking back trophies won by Rangers. "Not at this stage," he said. "We are 'business as usual' at this moment.
"From the day we announced that Rangers would be in the third division my only thought was how to rebuild the game, get investment back in and take the game forward. I'm not looking back any more. I'm getting to the point now where I can see light at the end of the tunnel and I can see the game beginning to get back on its feet."
The SFL is still awaiting feedback from its media partner, IMG Media, having commissioned the agency to test the market for a package of 25 Scottish League games including newco Rangers this season. An SPL bid of £1m was rejected, which suggested the SFL believes much more could be raised.
"We have a broadcasting deal in place for the League Cup with the BBC and we still have another year to run. As far as the league is concerned we're currently at very early days in terms of having a look at what interest there is in SFL games. I know there is a huge interest in our new club [newco Rangers] and that will drive a lot of media attention. I'm sure there will be value in that, but in context."
Salmond said he would not attempt to persuade BSkyB to maintain its deal with the SPL. Salmond's friendship with Rupert Murdoch has led to calls for him to intervene.
"That is a matter for the football authorities and the broadcasters," said the First Minister. "I have made it clear that any help I can give, we will give. So let's leave it at that and see what announcements are made.
"Looking around to what distinct initiative the government could make, without interfering in the football authorities' rights to their own affairs, I thought enhancing our sponsorship of the Scottish Communities League Cup would be a step forward."
Of the £1.7m sponsorship, £500,000 is from the Cashback for Communities programme, in which money seized from criminals is redirected to youth initiatives.
Rangers, who were unseeded in the draw held at Stenhousemuir's Ochilview, were represented by the head of their youth department, Jimmy Sinclair. He saw them paired with East Fife in what will be the newco club's first competitive home fixture. Ties will be held on Saturday August 4 although Rangers' could be moved because Celtic are at home to Aberdeen in the SPL that day.
Sinclair was optimistic that manager Ally McCoist's impoverished squad, now reliant on several youth players, could handle the third division. "I think a Rangers jersey is a heavy jersey no matter which forum you're playing in," he said. "But the boys who have come into the team in the past have handled themselves well and I've no reason to suspect anything other than the ones who are with us now, albeit they are a bit younger, will handle it as well. It is now a bit of a grey area, what constitutes a first team player and what constitutes a youth player!"
Rangers' home attendances are difficult to predict, but the novelty of the club's first match at Ibrox is sure to draw a large crowd. That will benefit East Fife, who will receive 50% of the gate receipts after 15% is removed for expenses. "We will be the first visitors at Ibrox and I would think we would get a big turnout," said Sid Columbine, chairman of the second division club. "The Rangers supporters have had a bad time and it's hard lines on them because they are the innocent victims in all of this. I hope they turn up and help us out."
Meanwhile a source close to the owner of Napoli, Aurelio de Laurentiis, denied reports that the Italian businessman was interested in making a takeover bid for the newco Rangers. "De Laurentiis said that Scotland was an option a few years ago. Now there is nothing concrete," said the source.
Looks like the Rothesay man was creamin his pants and has a thing about greggs
14 years of wins down the drain for something which had nothing to do with the players. if rangers were treated that harshly they'd be allowed back to play junior football in about a decade.....
you would think any decent governing body would do likewise.
I know the concept is alien to "ra peeepell" but it's the perpetrators who are punished, not the victims. Why would you want to strip a team of abused schoolboys of their trophies?
it was much younger kids who were abused by one of the coaches on the premises not the players themselves. i think the idea was to punish the hierarchy for turning a blind eye but i don't really see why the players who had nowt to do with it lose their wins. seems like an attempt to ensure that the now dead coach doesn't have the record number of wins (sounds familiar) but they didn't cheat to get those wins like rangers.
also for good or bad i think the ncaa are much more conscious of their public image than the sfa and spl (and not desperately short of cash).
@rsenbutter feels the Neil Lennon assault jury let the side down because Neil Lennon walked out of court a free man.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/experts_penn_state_investigati.html
a cover up job ?
a cover up job ?
"nothing to do with the players"
LOL those players wouldn't have been there, playing in those jerseys if they weren't paid with stolen money.
Do you not get it or are you just in complete denial ?
LOL those players wouldn't have been there, playing in those jerseys if they weren't paid with stolen money.
Do you not get it or are you just in complete denial ?
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/leaguedivision3/4551484/We-see-secret-document-that-says-Hampden-beaks-wanted-Gers-stripped-of-9-trophies.html
The proof
By ROGER HANNAH
Published: 14 hrs ago
40
SUNSPORT has seen documentary evidence that Hampden bosses asked Rangers to accept the loss of FIVE league titles and FOUR Scottish Cups.
The draft papers were given to Gers chief executive Charles Green at a top-secret summit this summer.
Top brass wanted Green to accept “EBT sanctions” in return for newco Gers getting the chance to be parachuted into Division One.
The package of punishments — instantly REJECTED by Green — would have stripped Gers of NINE major trophies won between 2001 and 2011.
They were NOT asked to give up any of their League Cup wins. Details of the offer, made during discussions involving Green, the SPL, SFA, SFL and administrators Duff and Phelps, emerged last night.
Had Green accepted the EBT sanctions, he’d have agreed to “(i) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of Champion Club (as defined in SPL Rules) of the Scottish Premier League for each and all of Seasons 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10 and 2010/11; (ii) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of winner of the Scottish Cup for each and all of Seasons 2001/02, 2002/03, 2007/08 and 2008/09”.
Among a list of “Agreements and Undertakings” which Green was asked to accept were: “(i) accept and agree to be bound by each and all of the EBT Sanctions; (ii) the SFA and the SPL agree that no further sanctions will be imposed with respect to or concerning the EBT Payments and Arrangements; and (iii) RFC and Sevco shall not directly or indirectly make any claim and/or representation to have won any of the Championships and/or Cups which are the subject of any and all of the EBT Sanctions”.
It’s understood Green rejected the offer of EBT sanctions as Gers have still to be found guilty of any misuse of the Trusts. An independent commission appointed by the SPL will begin a hearing on November 13 regarding the alleged undisclosed payments.
HMRC is expected to announce the findings of its first-tier tribunal hearing on the EBTs within weeks.
Gers have already refused to co-operate with the former hearing.
And Green is facing an SFA charge of bringing the game into disrepute after claiming the process was “fundamentally misconceived”.
The leaked papers appear to add weight to Green’s assertion that a range of penalties have been considered before any guilt is proved.
SunSport has also seen an exchange of correspondence between HMRC and the SPL dating back to October and November 2010. Yet there was no official Hampden probe into Gers’ use of Trusts until earlier this year.
But with Green having already threatened to take his case to law, the emergence of the secret documents shows stripping of titles has been on the Hampden agenda since the close-season.
Earlier this month, Green said: “The club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process we believe is fundamentally misconceived.”
The proof
By ROGER HANNAH
Published: 14 hrs ago
40
SUNSPORT has seen documentary evidence that Hampden bosses asked Rangers to accept the loss of FIVE league titles and FOUR Scottish Cups.
The draft papers were given to Gers chief executive Charles Green at a top-secret summit this summer.
Top brass wanted Green to accept “EBT sanctions” in return for newco Gers getting the chance to be parachuted into Division One.
The package of punishments — instantly REJECTED by Green — would have stripped Gers of NINE major trophies won between 2001 and 2011.
They were NOT asked to give up any of their League Cup wins. Details of the offer, made during discussions involving Green, the SPL, SFA, SFL and administrators Duff and Phelps, emerged last night.
Had Green accepted the EBT sanctions, he’d have agreed to “(i) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of Champion Club (as defined in SPL Rules) of the Scottish Premier League for each and all of Seasons 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10 and 2010/11; (ii) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of winner of the Scottish Cup for each and all of Seasons 2001/02, 2002/03, 2007/08 and 2008/09”.
Among a list of “Agreements and Undertakings” which Green was asked to accept were: “(i) accept and agree to be bound by each and all of the EBT Sanctions; (ii) the SFA and the SPL agree that no further sanctions will be imposed with respect to or concerning the EBT Payments and Arrangements; and (iii) RFC and Sevco shall not directly or indirectly make any claim and/or representation to have won any of the Championships and/or Cups which are the subject of any and all of the EBT Sanctions”.
It’s understood Green rejected the offer of EBT sanctions as Gers have still to be found guilty of any misuse of the Trusts. An independent commission appointed by the SPL will begin a hearing on November 13 regarding the alleged undisclosed payments.
HMRC is expected to announce the findings of its first-tier tribunal hearing on the EBTs within weeks.
Gers have already refused to co-operate with the former hearing.
And Green is facing an SFA charge of bringing the game into disrepute after claiming the process was “fundamentally misconceived”.
The leaked papers appear to add weight to Green’s assertion that a range of penalties have been considered before any guilt is proved.
SunSport has also seen an exchange of correspondence between HMRC and the SPL dating back to October and November 2010. Yet there was no official Hampden probe into Gers’ use of Trusts until earlier this year.
But with Green having already threatened to take his case to law, the emergence of the secret documents shows stripping of titles has been on the Hampden agenda since the close-season.
Earlier this month, Green said: “The club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process we believe is fundamentally misconceived.”
When do QoS and Falkirk have their cup parade???
the priest has made himself look like a walloper after the opening post
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/leaguedivision3/4551484/We-see-secret-document-that-says-Hampden-beaks-wanted-Gers-stripped-of-9-trophies.html
The proof
By ROGER HANNAH
Published: 14 hrs ago
40
SUNSPORT has seen documentary evidence that Hampden bosses asked Rangers to accept the loss of FIVE league titles and FOUR Scottish Cups.
The draft papers were given to Gers chief executive Charles Green at a top-secret summit this summer.
Top brass wanted Green to accept “EBT sanctions” in return for newco Gers getting the chance to be parachuted into Division One.
The package of punishments — instantly REJECTED by Green — would have stripped Gers of NINE major trophies won between 2001 and 2011.
They were NOT asked to give up any of their League Cup wins. Details of the offer, made during discussions involving Green, the SPL, SFA, SFL and administrators Duff and Phelps, emerged last night.
Had Green accepted the EBT sanctions, he’d have agreed to “(i) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of Champion Club (as defined in SPL Rules) of the Scottish Premier League for each and all of Seasons 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10 and 2010/11; (ii) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of winner of the Scottish Cup for each and all of Seasons 2001/02, 2002/03, 2007/08 and 2008/09”.
Among a list of “Agreements and Undertakings” which Green was asked to accept were: “(i) accept and agree to be bound by each and all of the EBT Sanctions; (ii) the SFA and the SPL agree that no further sanctions will be imposed with respect to or concerning the EBT Payments and Arrangements; and (iii) RFC and Sevco shall not directly or indirectly make any claim and/or representation to have won any of the Championships and/or Cups which are the subject of any and all of the EBT Sanctions”.
It’s understood Green rejected the offer of EBT sanctions as Gers have still to be found guilty of any misuse of the Trusts. An independent commission appointed by the SPL will begin a hearing on November 13 regarding the alleged undisclosed payments.
HMRC is expected to announce the findings of its first-tier tribunal hearing on the EBTs within weeks.
Gers have already refused to co-operate with the former hearing.
And Green is facing an SFA charge of bringing the game into disrepute after claiming the process was “fundamentally misconceived”.
The leaked papers appear to add weight to Green’s assertion that a range of penalties have been considered before any guilt is proved.
SunSport has also seen an exchange of correspondence between HMRC and the SPL dating back to October and November 2010. Yet there was no official Hampden probe into Gers’ use of Trusts until earlier this year.
But with Green having already threatened to take his case to law, the emergence of the secret documents shows stripping of titles has been on the Hampden agenda since the close-season.
Earlier this month, Green said: “The club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process we believe is fundamentally misconceived.”
The proof
By ROGER HANNAH
Published: 14 hrs ago
40
SUNSPORT has seen documentary evidence that Hampden bosses asked Rangers to accept the loss of FIVE league titles and FOUR Scottish Cups.
The draft papers were given to Gers chief executive Charles Green at a top-secret summit this summer.
Top brass wanted Green to accept “EBT sanctions” in return for newco Gers getting the chance to be parachuted into Division One.
The package of punishments — instantly REJECTED by Green — would have stripped Gers of NINE major trophies won between 2001 and 2011.
They were NOT asked to give up any of their League Cup wins. Details of the offer, made during discussions involving Green, the SPL, SFA, SFL and administrators Duff and Phelps, emerged last night.
Had Green accepted the EBT sanctions, he’d have agreed to “(i) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of Champion Club (as defined in SPL Rules) of the Scottish Premier League for each and all of Seasons 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10 and 2010/11; (ii) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of winner of the Scottish Cup for each and all of Seasons 2001/02, 2002/03, 2007/08 and 2008/09”.
Among a list of “Agreements and Undertakings” which Green was asked to accept were: “(i) accept and agree to be bound by each and all of the EBT Sanctions; (ii) the SFA and the SPL agree that no further sanctions will be imposed with respect to or concerning the EBT Payments and Arrangements; and (iii) RFC and Sevco shall not directly or indirectly make any claim and/or representation to have won any of the Championships and/or Cups which are the subject of any and all of the EBT Sanctions”.
It’s understood Green rejected the offer of EBT sanctions as Gers have still to be found guilty of any misuse of the Trusts. An independent commission appointed by the SPL will begin a hearing on November 13 regarding the alleged undisclosed payments.
HMRC is expected to announce the findings of its first-tier tribunal hearing on the EBTs within weeks.
Gers have already refused to co-operate with the former hearing.
And Green is facing an SFA charge of bringing the game into disrepute after claiming the process was “fundamentally misconceived”.
The leaked papers appear to add weight to Green’s assertion that a range of penalties have been considered before any guilt is proved.
SunSport has also seen an exchange of correspondence between HMRC and the SPL dating back to October and November 2010. Yet there was no official Hampden probe into Gers’ use of Trusts until earlier this year.
But with Green having already threatened to take his case to law, the emergence of the secret documents shows stripping of titles has been on the Hampden agenda since the close-season.
Earlier this month, Green said: “The club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process we believe is fundamentally misconceived.”
When do QoS and Falkirk have their cup parade???
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