Rooney to blow it for England

I wouldn't start him,he doesn't exactly walk into the team after the needless red card and yesterdays starters deserve another go.Effort and reward engenders team spirit and Woy is experienced enough to know he can keep Rooney hungry and not disappoint the others. Carroll with service will terrorize the Ukraine.

rooney will play and must play. he will bring a lift to the all team. a vital link between midfield and attack. he and welbeck already have a understanding upfront, he would start in every other nation in the tourament so he going to start in ours. tell me a team he wouldnt start.

Holland and Spain if Villa was fit.

Germany,Holland will do for 2. Being one eyed isn't clever. Him and Benzema seem very similar also. Not sure he has ever imposed himself internationally and terrorised defences.He has had decent games but nothing outstanding for mine. I think Gomez struggles to walk in a straight line but he knows how to score.

its like telling ukraine to play schevchenko on the bench

get out of here

trust me if was playing alonside quality team mates like spain holland and germany and france he would play ahead of fabreegas , riberry ,robbenn, podolski. trust me.

I can't see how you cant understand the message being sent if he strolls out to play.His sending off need punishing by the management for his unprofessionalism and others have done ok. To keep him on the bench will say more to him personally than any previous red card.

hes not strolling out to play hes missed the 2 games he would have been gutted for last 10 months. he loves the game and he loves playing.

I'd start with him on the bench and go with the same XI, bringing him and Walcott on after an hour against tiring Ukraine legs, catch them out as they push forward for the win.

Give him 60mins to sharpen him up for the 1/4s

Don't pick your best player.

Great advice.

"I'll pick my best team, not necessarily my best players" Worked for Alf Ramsey in '66.

so your best team dosen,t include Rooney then ,interesting ,so last night England played that well to even consider leaving out a player like him , after being one up at half time the cracks reappeared again quickly falling behind and looking very suspect at the back and could of gone further behind ,we came back and arguably got a win we probably didn,t deserve. if that game had finished 2-2 would we still want to start the same 11.

It's the defence that worries me, as I can't recall the last time an England team were as woeful at marking opposition at set pieces.Roy will find a way to sort this out though.

marychain1
16 Jun 12 11:03 Joined: 05 Apr 05 | Topic/replies: 15,762 | Blogger: marychain1's blog
"I'll pick my best team, not necessarily my best players" Worked for Alf Ramsey in '66.

England are a better team with Wellbeck in it than Rooney?

Right.

at the end of the day, facts are facts and we have a better win ratio without fatboy in. I definitely wouldn't play him, i wouldn't of even took him. The media and the other fooking idiots on TV are making out like he's Mr England. He doesn't deserve to be in the team full stop. He certainly can't play up front on his own as he has no pace and his movement doesn't rank him being the focal point

uwant some 100% correct.

" I wouldn't of even took him" ???  Great stuff.

Rooney is England's best player. He plays regularly with Danny Welbeck. He would also walk into any Dutch or German side without breaking sweat.

Andy Carroll will not start.

Who gives a fook if he would walk into the Dutch or German side, were England. His foolish antics should prevent him from playing, he's an idiot yet everyone is making out like he's some saviour.

Who's making out he's a saviour ?

  He's our best player, and must play.

Do we really need a saviour, at this point of the tourney ?

My Germany, Holland, remark was in response to ph. thinking that he would not make their teams.

Who would you swap in the German and Holland team for Rooney

He's a better player than Affelay, Sneijder, Podolski, IMO.

So you'd play him rightwing/centre mid/left wing?

Play him where he plays now, and make the necessary adjustments.

He's a striker, so again i ask who do you swap him for?

If fit andd available then hart terry gerrard Rooney simply must play, you would ve o be either a muppet or just bing awkward to think otherwise

Have to be *

I've already told you.....

No you haven't you said make adjustments. What adjustments would you make so Rooney would play in the Dutch or German team?

Rooney as a lone striker is useless. This much has been proven. As long as Roy doesn't play him like that, then he should be in.

Rooney obviously going to start in behind Wellbeck... FACT

Woy should book him on the first Easyjet flight out of there. Cant stand the bloke, putting aside the red card,people should remember his behaviour in south africa. How many chances does the prima doonna want?

Exactly

It was the same when Ireland and that tool ROY KEANE split in Japan

Ireland were miles better without him and could have beaten Spain after getting thru their group

No way in Hell Rooney should start as he has stunk the place out for England and been sent off TWICE

If he plays the only way i would let him is in playing off both Welbeck and Carroll but for me HE SHOULD NOT PLAY

hasn't scored in a finals tourney since 2004. ain't exactly been missed much

I would agree that Rooney should not get an automatic starting place.

The team have got themselves into a position to qualify without him and both strikers scored in the last match. 

The team have achieved their results based on very disciplined performances. Rooney is the least disciplined member of the squad and more than likely will think he can decide to play where he wants to.

As stated above he can't play on his own up front as he lacks the pace to run in behind and he isn't brave/good enough in the air. It seems likely that Welbeck will be sacrificed.

We all know Rooney will play because he has unfortunately become bigger than the team and the manager knows the knives will be sharpened if he leaves him out. Unfortunately, he will now have the added problem of explaining that it does not look very good if one player thinks they are above singing the anthem.

dsmith
16 Jun 12 12:55 Joined: 04 Apr 08 | Topic/replies: 11,641 | Blogger: dsmith's blog
If fit andd available then hart terry gerrard Rooney simply must play, you would ve o be either a muppet or just bing awkward to think otherwise

Why does having a different opinion to YOU make it wrong or being a moppet.

If you can bring back any great game Rooney has played since 2004 I will be happy to sing MANAMANA DO DO DO DO DO MANAMANA

Rooney has shown NOTHING for England in ages and can only hurt the balance and harmony as he sulks / gets surly and often comes too deep if he aint getting the ball

Edward, ignore smithy thats what he's like.

I see, thx

No room for debate huh , my way or the highway

maggot,he doesn't get ahead of Gomez or RVP for me in either team. I think they are their go to forwards and main goalscorers,Rooney doesn't move either aside.

Up to Hodgson to play him so the thread should be will Hodgson blow it playing Rooney? It's not cut and dry. I think Rooney being out has helped us. The pressure has been off and we've played decent disciplined football.

I guess he will play Rooney with Wellbeck.

SSN just said he plays

There are some truly astonishing quotes on here. Im going to bring them all up

Jun 16, 2012 -- 10:13AM, jjmafmac wrote:

trust me if was playing alonside quality team mates like spain holland and germany and france he would play ahead of fabreegas , riberry ,robbenn, podolski. trust me.

Jun 16, 2012 -- 12:47PM, maggot wrote:

He's a better player than Affelay, Sneijder, Podolski, IMO.

Better than sneijder

In fairness I think Rooney probably should start, but its a close run thing and we should trust Hodgsons judgement if he decides not to.

hart is england's only world class player but hodgson knows that if he doesn't play rooney and they don't qualify then he will be crucified by press and fans.

Im all for a debate u want some and eddy, but some things are not debatable and this IMO is one such debate. So I guess IMO that either makes you awkward or a muppet on this occasion.

Why should Rooney walk straight back into the team? He unbalances the team IMO as he expects the whole team to revolve around him. You have to be disciplined and wait for your chances in international football. Rooney still doesn't get this and goes running round like a headless chicken if hasn't touched the ball in all of 2 minutes. Also his performances in the world cup were the worst I've ever seen by ANY player in an England shirt!

agreed, he was fooking dreadful in the world cup. As he normally is in an England shirt and for Hodgson to come out after last nights win when both strikers scored, to say Rooney is definitely starting is fooking stupid

how's Senidjer doing these days

sneijder

Rooney likes to run through the eye of a needle that is blantaly obvious to all; trouble is there ain't too many camels at this level; he should not be an automatic choice for the next match and the manager's comments seem disrespectful to the current line-up.

some cracking posts in this thread, can't stop laughing at some of the silly sh!t being said

I wondered where this fred had gone.

well done u want some

Goes to show us shrewdness knew Rooney shouldn't of been there. The other muppets dsmith, maggot etc show how clueless they really are