surely this is a mistake by Betfair......

besides, is this the kinda mistakes Betfair make as it must be computer generated?????????

Just ring them Percy.
They probably deal with queries like this all the time mate.

well assuming Any Unquoted includes 4 goals then it's obviously a winner!

i guess ill ring then, thanks each

Don't ask you won't get mate gl

bet lost apparentley

any unquoted was torres over 4-1

wtf

how?

ever seen **** like that before

Any UQ is any score over 3 surely?

It's always been a side to score at least 4 goals.

just called the desk and some kid goes off the phone and comes back saying that any unquoted was over 4-0 as everyone thought ireland would bottle it. The trouble is i cant look back at the market and i have never seen anything other than 4

feel i have been robbed again

thats shocking odds for torres and 4-0 but even worse if u had to rely on ireland scoring on top of that!!

thats what i said to the kid and he said look at ukraine game tomorrow and it shows unquoted as over 3 but today it was over 4-1, i am pissed now.

how can they change the rules for 1 game, regardless of who's playing?

didn't see the market but would be no surprise if 4-0 was one of the quoted prices as the AUQ score price was so low pre kick off

thank you manor-blade. i use this f...... site everyday. My problem i know and i have always seen auq as over 3. And today they change it

i can tell you 100% that 4-0 torres was listed in the options available, so your bet was a loser, sorry

But as people said torres and spain auq @ 37.9 is ****.

because i laid it

Percy - i would either write them an email or ring them back tomorrow morning and ask again.

In the main correct score market for the game tonight, UQ was a team to score 4 goals and was settled after 4-0. I don't see why the scorecast would be different.

thought the world had turned upside down there and AUQ was no longer '4'. That is the law.
- this is purely a scorecast issue i see now

can u show this Elise

sure 1 sec

thanks

I agree with Biscuit and would be fuming if that had been my bet.

14. juni Spania - Irland / Scorecast / F Torres Any Unquoted
Kjøp          42,73    50,00


Was 4-0 the bet?  i though i won too, I have bet many many bets like this on betfair  Never in my life seen 4-0 scorecast.

And now i was  looking at  Germany - Denmark game and there is only 3-0  which  should be  like the same game.
This cant be real im waiting for my money too

disgusted with this, if they change it surely it would be under scorecast 2 or something?

2012-06-14
21:41 20450153614 2012-06-14
19:44  Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / F Torres 4 - 0
Lay   41.05 5.00 Lost (200.24)

2012-06-14
21:41 20450162146 2012-06-14
19:44  Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / F Torres 4 - 0
Lay   42.00 5.00 Lost (205.00)

sorry if that won't read easily, that's a couple of lines of it

Percy you need to take a step back and think, AUQ = All UnQuoted, if 4-0 was displayed on the screen i.e. QUOTED then your bet lost, simple.

Percy it sounds like you've just misread the list .... genuine mistake. Send a polite email to customer services. Obviously they won't reverse this bet but they might give you a free bet or something as compensation.

Sorry, but just because a team might "bottle" it, should be reflected in the odds, not changing the market. Sounds dodgy.

^^^this yes - it's exactly what the odds should mean anyway

i think i laid some 5-0 and 5-1 bets as well, then there was unquoted after that

namwob im simply saying that pre kick off i fancied torres and spain over 3 goals, with me? So as ever i go to the market pick my palyer and scroll to any unquoted, still with me? Today its different. WHY?

because 4-0 was more likely than the usual quoted scores.

i understand that but i have never seen this before and when has spain beaten ireland like today before

happens to all over us at some time, if not exactly that something similar, then now and again it goes your way and you get 2 payouts

so Percy11,  then we have done the same, and like i said im playing very often bets like this  and Never seen in  10 years here at betfair that  they have changed  this,  its always  pick goalscorer  and  one team score  4 goals.  cant understand  it

off for a coffee, unlucky percy, sorry

this maybe our mistake Drallis but i have never seen this before and ive been doing this for 4 years nearly

i dont see this as me losing a tenner ive lost neaarly £400 nicker and cant cool my head down.

Doubt ill ever find a game with AUQ over 4 now either

this sucks,  and they always have standard bets, and suddenly  1 time  they change it??  cant understand that i have seen wrong.  So why they dont have it now  in the comming  german - denamrk match.  Or in barcelona  HOme games  when they know  barca will kick many of the teams.  and suddenly now they change when spain - ireland.  cant understand it, i will send email to my norwegian support.

will do the same over here Drallis. This is the 3rd time i have been robbed of winnings on here and cant prove/ do anything about it.

Your bet reads Torres AUQ not Spain to score 4 or more

Jun 14, 2012 -- 10:01PM, Percy11 wrote:

i understood my bet was torres first goalscorer and spain to score over 3 goals. confused

@ Lucifer64

lucifer u mean we have bet that  torres should score  4 goals or more?

Betfair r saying that AUQ is not 4-0 but anything from 4-1, which is a first to me.

4-1  lol,  ITS ALWAYS  4-0  ,   but u think its stood 4-1 percy?  I think i would have seen  if that was the case.

Italy have similar match odds when they play ireland on the 18th, but scorecast is as is normally.

the CORRECT SCORE market only went up to all possible scores up to 3 goals to either team , for sure ...
  Any UnQuoted in the correct score market was about 5.5 SP i think ....
i guess Torres to score first would have been around the 4.5 mark ?? so 37.0's was a bigger price than these 2 outcomes multiplied together
i was actually surprised in a game like this there wasn't a correct score 2 market with all possible scores 4 goals and over...

Drallis i have to admit i never looked, other than my 2 bets:    2012-06-14
21:41    20450167503     2012-06-14
19:44     Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / F Torres Any Unquoted
Back          37.90    10.00    Lost    (10.00)        
    2012-06-14
21:41    20450167508     2012-06-14
19:44     Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / F Torres 3 - 0
Back          26.00    10.00    Lost    (10.00)

Did exactly the same thing. Looked at the correct score market which only went to 3-3 then AUQ which was 4.7 on here. Didn't fancy backing a 7/2 shot so went for the scorecast, automatically scrolled down to Torres and AUQ 44 and had £10 on. Presumed I had won the bet until seeing it settled as a loser. Apparently they went all the way up to 5-0, 5-1 etc. Why not go different scores on any other game this week then??? What a joke! I've been robbed!!!

If your going to have stupid scorelines like 5-0, 5-1 etc then they should of had a scorecast 2 market! And why not have this on the correct score market which was only 4.7 after 3-3! SCANDALOUS!

FKin joke. like the gambler i am i went straight to AUQ next to Torres. This should of been in scorecast 2 or similar

i know its tuff to think u have won 350 quid and cheering it home only to find out that ur bet lost
but the lesson learned here is read the rules and know exactly what the deal is before pulling the trigger ...

yes the same as i did. SO WHY THEY NEVER DO this  When its f.ex Real Madrid  - Real sociedad.   Ronaldo always score first  and they will put 4-5-6  every ome match.  Ive never seen they have fone it on a match they "THink"  will be much goals in.  its ridicilous.

Any unquoted refers to an score that is not quoted. It is not that difficult to scan up and down a few lines and see what is quoted and what isnt quoted.

Each 'Unquoted' is unique for the market it is in. For example, the unquoted in the correct score and correct score 2 refer to completely different scorelines.

4-0 and 5-0 were definitely quoted because I had Torres 4-0.

The fact i was toasting torres and Spain after the fourth went in, will stick in my mind for a very long time. Especially now that my cards are being renewed due to expiry. Could be the end of my Betfair love affair

even worse that you had the 3-0 covered too percy
u have my empathy as a punter , thats ruff

Jun 14, 2012 -- 11:07PM, marychain1 wrote:

Any unquoted refers to an score that is not quoted. It is not that difficult to scan up and down a few lines and see what is quoted and what isnt quoted.Each 'Unquoted' is unique for the market it is in. For example, the unquoted in the correct score and correct score 2 refer to completely different scorelines.4-0 and 5-0 were definitely quoted because I had Torres 4-0.

Not doubting u but as Drallis and Fantastic light have said. This isnt a regular thing, we should know and it should be in a different market i.e scorecast 2

Why does it need to be in a different market? If the scorelines are in the market, they are quoted.

Yeah, to hell with betfair is what I say! Jokers! Someone explain why AUQ was only 4.7 on here then on correct score market above 3-3, yet made up rules for scorecast!

but marychain  , if  u bet everyday  and have used betfair for 10 years  thenu can almost bet in blind.   Thats  why its shocking  to find out after the game that  they have changed  betting options suddenly in 1 fkin match1.   Just  1 match,  and no other.  like i said,  then they sould put this in the germany - denamrk  macth  who is coming up.  BUt it was only in the spanish game??

Nicky27, this is my point exactly. Wht didnt i back Torres 4-0. Because 4-0 is AUQ.

4-0 is not AUQ if 4-0 is quoted. It really isnt that hard to understand imo.

I bet on scorecast and correct score every day, several times a day and the first thing I noticed when I looked at the market was that 4-0 was quoted.

Your not being fair marychain. The understanding is that this isnt a regular occurence and as others have said we do this and it is normal.

Maybe u r looking for good value, we were mearly looking for a reqular bet or something that is familiar.

Fair? Now it just sounds like you are whinging.

I can understand that it isnt usual. But if there was anything unfair then many people would have been caught out and the prices would have been all over the place. But they weren't. Because everyone else looked at the market, saw that 4-0 and 5-0 were quoted scorelines and therefore not unquoted, and bet accordingly.

marychain, the point is some of us trusted betfair to stick to the rules they've alweays used before. And when they've put up stupid scorelines in the past they've had a correct score 2 market! We were mislead, and unfortunately for us trusted the markets to easily. Lesson learned here but frankly I'm very p i s s e d off!

IF some of u guys hadnt bet 4-0 and torres i would  never belived betfair,  but of course i know ive read it wrong,  BUt  hope betfair could learn from this and make a scorecast 2    AND  maybe they can put up more score at scorecast  when its  BIg teams  vs small

But you arent talking about the Correct Score market and the CS2 market. You are talking about the scorecast market.

I've seen them put other scorelines on the scorecast market loads of times.

Thing is Percy you bet on 3-0 and any unquoted surely you must have noticed the other scorelines inbetween when placing your bets?

As fantastic light said on correct score market AUQ is above 3-3 many other scorelines move to a different market. Why wasnt scorecast???????????

Baby Jesus spot on

Torres 3-0
Torres 4-0
Torres 5-0
Torres unquoted

How can you not see the two lines in between your bets???

if 3-3 and above in the correct score market was 4.7 SP and Torres first goalscorer was around 4.5 SP then the 2 combined would equate to 21.0 , so it would imply that 37.0's was too generous for AUQ as 3-3 and above if u see what i mean

Settled    Ref Id    Placed    Description         Avg. Odds    Stake    Status    DR
(£)    CR
(£)    Balance
(£)   
    2012-06-14
21:41    20450167513     2012-06-14
19:44     Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / A Iniesta 3 - 0
Back          42.00    5.00    Lost    (5.00)        
    2012-06-14
21:41    20450167509     2012-06-14
19:44     Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / A Iniesta Any Unquoted
Back          67.00    5.00    Lost    (5.00)        
    2012-06-14
21:41    20450167503     2012-06-14
19:44     Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / F Torres Any Unquoted
Back          37.90    10.00    Lost    (10.00)        
    2012-06-14
21:41    20450167508     2012-06-14
19:44     Fixtures 14 June Spain v Rep of Ireland / Scorecast / F Torres 3 - 0
Back          26.00    10.00    Lost    (10.00)

I never placed torres 3-0 and AUQ together. Imerely placed the AUQ looked at others saw iniesta and the rest as they say.

So how did you manage to put on Torres 3-0 and Torres unquoted without seeing Torres 4-0 and Torres 5-0 that were in between your bets?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

By the way, the scorelines on a scorecast market never mirror the Correct score market as you seem to be saying.

For Example, in Greece v Russia; Greece 3-2 and 3-3 are not quoted in the Scorecast market, so they count as unquoted.

Percy11

I never placed torres 3-0 and AUQ together.

Percy, your account statement suggests you did place them both together especially as both bets were placed @ 19:44 and the betids are only 3 numbers apart

I can understand it being a pain but I've seen Betfair add extra scores than usual in these markets before, it's not the first time.

Therefore that would of been mt bet as i went to AUQ and would have been extremely surprised that in the result of greece v russia 3-2 or 3-3 i would have won

Assuming that unquoted means the same in the Correct Score market, Correct Score 2 market and the scorecast market has led to many Betfair balls ups Percy, dont worry, you arent the first.

Jun 14, 2012 -- 11:27PM, Baby Jesus wrote:

Percy11I never placed torres 3-0 and AUQ together.Percy, your account statement suggests you did place them both together especially as both bets were placed @ 19:44 and the betids are only 3 numbers apart I can understand it being a pain but I've seen Betfair add extra scores than usual in these markets before, it's not the first time.

the timing of the bets are correct 19:44 but i placed the bet on AUQ moed to othe scorecasts, returned to torres 3-0 and because i had little time to place them, added iniesta 3-0 and AUQ

what im saying is i didnt go from torres 3-0 to torres AUQ if you see my meaning

Jun 14, 2012 -- 11:29PM, marychain1 wrote:

Assuming that unquoted means the same in the Correct Score market, Correct Score 2 market and the scorecast market has led to many Betfair balls ups Percy, dont worry, you arent the first.

As you said 'balls up' and as i have never seen this before as others have said, it leaves a bad taste.

Fair enough, Percy, I guess it's easily done when browsing markets and adding in bets to submit later especially with this stupid new beta format .

It's ridiculous they piss around with known formats of markets, god knows who decided to add extra scores for the Spain game as these markets have been up for a while and none of the other games have 4 goal scorelines in the scorecasts.

Thank you for reasoning with me Baby Jesus. Iknow i wont win any argument with Betfair but it helps to come on here and people appreciate a fellow mans dilema

Is this a joke thread

sorry, but there's some utter rubbish in this thread.

people are talking as if there's some deception in AUQ not meaning the same in scorecast as in CS. But it NEVER does, and it changes game by game according to the relative strengths of the teams.

eg, tomorrow in the england game, what happens if it's Ibra 3-1 or 3-2? answer: ibra/AUQ pays out. Any Unquoted means what it says: any unquoted in the market you're betting in.

not knowing that means you failed to look at the market carefully enough. that may be unfortunate but it isn't betfair's fault.

u won cuz it means torres scoring  4th goal and match ending with over 3 goals. Its a winning bet

viva el presidente!
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sorry, but there's some utter rubbish in this thread.

people are talking as if there's some deception in AUQ not meaning the same in scorecast as in CS. But it NEVER does, and it changes game by game according to the relative strengths of the teams.

eg, tomorrow in the england game, what happens if it's Ibra 3-1 or 3-2? answer: ibra/AUQ pays out. Any Unquoted means what it says: any unquoted in the market you're betting in.

not knowing that means you failed to look at the market carefully enough. that may be unfortunate but it isn't betfair's fault.

But its betfairs fault and its unfair

^****in prick^

Do people actually bet on these scorecast/first goalscorer things
and then don't know whether they have won or lost ?

group hug for percys p/l imminent