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Triple-Trigger
08 Jun 12 00:24
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EURO 2012.was plunged into its first racism controversy after the black players in the Holland squad were subjected to monkey chants during an open practice session in the same city where England will also invite the public to watch them train on Friday.

Several hundred people targeted players such as Nigel de Jong and Gregory van der Wiel when 25,000 spectators attended the Dutch practice session at the Stadion Miejski, the home of Wisla Krakow.

The players, on the instructions of the captain, Mark van Bommel, responded by moving their training drills to the other side of the ground. "It is a real disgrace especially after getting back from Auschwitz [the Dutch squad had visited the concentration camp on Wednesday] that you are confronted with this," Van Bommel said. "We will take it up with Uefa and if it happens at a match we will talk to the referee and ask him to take us off the field."

The problems occurred as the players began the session by jogging a lap of the pitch only to be greeted at one end of the stadium with monkey noises and loud jeers. On the second circuit, they were even louder and it was then the players decided not to go around again. "At least now we know what we can encounter," the Holland coach, Bert van Marwijk, said with heavy cynicism. "Very atmospheric."

Uefa subsequently tried to deny that it was racially motivated, saying they had checked with the Dutch squad and had been told it was not thought to be of that nature. Instead, the official line is that a small part of the crowd was protesting about the fact that Krakow had not been made one of the host cities. Another theory that has been put forward is that Wisla's supporters did not want their stadium being used by anyone but their own club and were simply booing the Dutch players.

Van Bommel, however, responded angrily when it was put to him not everyone had heard monkey noises. "You need to open your ears," he said. "If you did hear it, and don't want to hear it, that is even worse."

Privately, the midfielder is understood to be unhappy that the authorities are not treating the issue more seriously, but the incident is still threatening to be a major embarrassment for Uefa, coming before a ball has even been kicked, and will increase the scrutiny on Poland's supporters when the tournament opens with the co-hosts playing Greece in Warsaw on Friday.

The Polish authorities have been eager to dispel the sense that the backdrop to this tournament will have racism at its centre, and the country's prime minister, Donald Tusk, went through an elaborate public relations exercise on Thursday to drive home the point. Tusk was accompanied by a television crew on a 90-mile journey to Lodz to dine with Poland's first black parliamentarian, John Godson, and his family, including relatives who had flown in from Nigeria. The idea was to show the improvements both in Poland's road network and acceptance of different races.

Godson criticised the BBC Panorama documentary Euro 2012: Stadiums of Hate that had warned racism would be rife. He argued that Poland was a "hospitable and tolerant country" while Tusk wore a badge that said "Welcome" and said he was convinced there would be no problems: "I very warmly invite all English people. You will definitely not encounter anything unpleasant here."

Panorama had focused on the racist elements in the support of Krakow's two major clubs, Wisla and Cracovia, as well as highlighting the seriousness of the problem in Ukraine. Michel Platini, the Uefa president, has subsequently said the referees have been empowered to take teams off the pitch if there are serious issues – but added that any player who walked off without permission would be booked.

The families of two of England's black players, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Theo Walcott, have already decided against travelling to the tournament because of the potential problems. England are based in Krakow, along with the Netherlands and Italy squads, and will allow the public to watch Friday's practice session at Hutnik stadium on the outskirts of the city.

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By:
Triple-Trigger
When: 08 Jun 12 00:26
Balotelli watch out.
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 08 Jun 12 00:28
How on earth are the authorities denying the racism. Did anyone see the BBC Panorama show when the head of police said "They're not Nazi salutes, they're just pointing at the opposition fans". Jeez, how did these countries get awarded the competition with attitudes like that.
By:
HorseRacingExpert
When: 08 Jun 12 00:34
nothing happened here,move alongBlush
By:
Bruce Willis
When: 08 Jun 12 00:41
Next thing you know they'll be saying there's a Zoo next to the training camp and the noises came from there Laugh
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 08 Jun 12 00:47
wtf was John Terry doing watching Holland train?!
By:
Panther65
When: 08 Jun 12 01:43
i think they should just put up with it and get on with it...

every time they give a reaction, it is giving the baiters the recognition they crave...

then, after the tournament, all the countries in europe should get together and state that none of them will play a qualifying game in poland or ukraine again...

surely that would have a better effect long term
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 08 Jun 12 01:43
^ Laugh

seriously, that's why these sh!tholes should never have been given the tournament.
By:
t.richards
When: 08 Jun 12 02:37
Sadly boycotting qualifying games in Poland and Ukraine will, I feel have little or no affect apart from cause masses of controversy. This is an issue of intolerance and ignorance that is deep rooted into the culture that exists in Poland and Ukraine; and whilst it cannot be condoned, it's a lot bigger issue than simply not playing football matches in these countries. In doing that it may raise awareness of the issue, and hopefully cause their respective FA's to take action within the stadiums, but until racism is taken seriously socially it's not going to stop these types of people at all. Clear example being the head of Police not even recognizing and accepting masses of football fans making anti-Semitic chants and Nazi salutes - it's not seen as an issue socially within these countries, not to the extent it is in the UK.

I think it's plain to see that these two Countries are far from suitable hosts, but sadly the mass-awareness of these racist issue within the hosting nations has come far too late; with this knowledge obviously not as prevalent when Eufa went about selecting the host nations.
By:
Paddy Hair
When: 08 Jun 12 04:05
One of the causes is that they have so few black or non white people in their country and so they are not causing insults to anyone they would normally come into contact with. But with so many Poles and other Eastern Europeans now working in Britain they will come into contact with black and asian people on a daily basis and may start to regard them in a different light. Then if this attitude is then continued when many will return home , racism may start to fall amongst the population. Most prejudices are brought about by a fear of the unknown. I know a women from eastern europe who believed being gay was a disease that could be cured by medication ( it is forbidden in her country, if you came out as gay you would be beaten up every day), she now see's it as something you are born as and that is how you are. She still doesn't agree with it, but she accepts it.
By:
POT.NOODLE.HEAD
When: 08 Jun 12 04:34
the 2018 world cup in russia will be 'interesting' then

the ukrainian/polish racists are tame compared to the skinhead gangs in russia
By:
VieirasaGooner
When: 08 Jun 12 04:38
The police are worse than the gangs in these places imo, wouldnt want too get caught pissing in a street in Ukraine
By:
fibonacci
When: 08 Jun 12 10:11
I think I've heard more than a few racist chants at UK football grounds, admittedly less in the past few years but definitely not gone away.
There is without doubt a political element to what appears a very well orchestrated campaign to undermine this tournament by western media/politicians.
The race card is an easy one to play here because there is a race problem in Poland and Ukraine from what we can see, but this is definitely being made into as big an issue as possible by the media.
By:
db1974
When: 08 Jun 12 10:18
^ should the media be sweeping it under the carpet like the authorities in both countries in the hope that no-one will notice?
By:
dizzydavid1
When: 08 Jun 12 10:51
VieirasaGooner
08 Jun 12 04:38 Joined: 24 Mar 12 | Topic/replies: 387 | Blogger: VieirasaGooner's blog
The police are worse than the gangs in these places imo, wouldnt want too get caught pissing in a street in Ukraine.

^^^^^^^^ I got caught doing exactly that, in Odessa. I was lucky to get away with a fine and not a beating. One of the cops was itching to get me out of public view and batter me his stick but his older colleague overuled him and just emptied me and my mate's pockets.
By:
jin_kazz
When: 08 Jun 12 10:55
VieirasaGooner
08 Jun 12 04:38 Joined: 24 Mar 12 | Topic/replies: 386 | Blogger: VieirasaGooner's blog
The police are worse than the gangs in these places imo, wouldnt want too get caught pissing in a street in Ukraine

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yeah you can piss everywhere you want but when you come to Ukraine - they'll catch you for this.

it's a pity that you can't piss in the streets :)
By:
6troytown
When: 08 Jun 12 10:57
sorry i posted a thread without seeing  this i am concerned the pc brigade are desperate that racism will occur that idiot saggers i kiev is surprised did he not do his homework in the 2nd world war some ukranians fought with the germans figuring that nazism was better than stalin
By:
VieirasaGooner
When: 08 Jun 12 11:16
Well jin kazz what i meant was a 100 euro fine anywhere else will get you battered by sicko Ukrainian polic
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 08 Jun 12 11:21
They initially welcomed the Germans, but the murder, deportation and slave labour soon changed their minds.
By:
jin_kazz
When: 08 Jun 12 11:25
DIE LINKE
08 Jun 12 11:21 Joined: 26 Jun 03 | Topic/replies: 4,291 | Blogger: DIE LINKE's blog
They initially welcomed the Germans, but the murder, deportation and slave labour soon changed their minds.

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yeah some rats welcomed them and then served them as polizeis but payback found many of them. these traitors where hanged as fukcing rats.
By:
BearGrylls
When: 08 Jun 12 11:25
How did it change their minds? They actively participated in policing it all. Have any countries suffered the racial abuse/cleansing more than Poland/Ukraine in the last 75 years and now they're being lectured by all and sundry about racism, brilliant.
By:
jin_kazz
When: 08 Jun 12 11:28
dizzydavid1
08 Jun 12 10:51 Joined: 09 Oct 02 | Topic/replies: 875 | Blogger: dizzydavid1's blog

^^^^^^^^ I got caught doing exactly that, in Odessa. I was lucky to get away with a fine and not a beating. One of the cops was itching to get me out of public view and batter me his stick but his older colleague overuled him and just emptied me and my mate's pockets.

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Actually that's their usual good and bad cop game.

They alway act like this. Everytime they catched me for illegal activities - they where acting like that :) And the good thing was that the good cop always convinces bad cop to release me for some fine :)

PS: Would you prefer to go to jail for 15 days for pissing in the streets or pay 100 euro? I'd prefer to pay 100euro if you ask me :)
By:
jin_kazz
When: 08 Jun 12 11:30
BearGrylls
08 Jun 12 11:25 Joined: 03 Jan 12 | Topic/replies: 41 | Blogger: BearGrylls's blog
How did it change their minds? They actively participated in policing it all. Have any countries suffered the racial abuse/cleansing more than Poland/Ukraine in the last 75 years and now they're being lectured by all and sundry about racism, brilliant.

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Wow, at least someone remember history and don't believe everything he hear from TV.

Thanks man :)
By:
Alias
When: 08 Jun 12 12:11
Lots of Ukranians fought for the Nazis. Many fought with the Red Army too. The same applies to Lithuanians, Latvians etc. Maybe we should remember that racism in the form of anti semitism was rife throughout that whole region, including Poland, and actually still is.
By:
high_lander
When: 08 Jun 12 12:21
I wonder if all this stirring by the English media will cause problems for English fans? I imagine most Ukrainians and Poles will not being happy at being called Nazi's - they might take it out on the English supporters.
By:
Regular Fries
When: 08 Jun 12 12:23
It's not just the English media
By:
Alias
When: 08 Jun 12 12:23
^ And prove themselves Nazis?
By:
high_lander
When: 08 Jun 12 12:43
What other countries are making TV documentaries titled "stadiums of hate"?
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 08 Jun 12 12:50
I would expect several. and the question should be, why aren't the others?

this stuff's not all right.
By:
Regular Fries
When: 08 Jun 12 12:53
I'm not confortable with the term 'stirring up' to be honest. It's very relevant imo and no different to the documentaries made about English hooligans before International tournaments in the past.

Regardless of history is it really acceptable for anyone to make monkey noises at a black person?
By:
high_lander
When: 08 Jun 12 12:54
What stuff? All I saw was oh about 30 or 40 idiots acting like thugs. I'm pretty sure English fans have done much worse on their travels and at home.
By:
high_lander
When: 08 Jun 12 13:00
There are many angles the media could have taken here - a few mindless thugs spoiling the reputation of Ukraine and Poland for example. But they didn't do that. Instead, it seems to me the BBC were hell bent on portraying both nations as being full of racist Nazi thugs, like it was a national characteristic.

It seems well over the top to me - all I saw was a handful of idiots.
By:
BonVivvy
When: 08 Jun 12 13:04
I doubt the gay office workers and painted face brigade that follow england these days will encounter any trouble tbf.

The uk obsession with racsim is beyond belief tbf.

So eastern blockers are yrs behind in racial awareness,seems just another w@nk fest for the guardian brigade in all honesty.

So Ukraines don't like poofs and blacks? its unpleasant but that documentary would not have even been shown but for the nasty attack on thre asian fans at the end the only real material they had.
By:
VieirasaGooner
When: 08 Jun 12 13:10


Someone should celebrate with this Salute,  then we might see some real fireworks
By:
kincsem
When: 08 Jun 12 13:22
Not often you get the Nazis on a thread without spelling and grammar mentioned. Happy
Seriously, those countries are not used to democracy and civil rights.  They are just embarrassing themselves.
By:
kingmax
When: 08 Jun 12 13:28
anyone know what house pices are like?
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Jun 12 15:45
van bommel only complaining because its usualy the captains job to start any abuse in the holland camp,they could start a fight in a telephone box,without the help of others
By:
Magnusthepassenger
When: 08 Jun 12 16:05
British media seem to have conveniently forgotten that this sort of stuff was rife over here not too long ago, and has still not been completely eradicated from the domestic game.
By:
Biancoceleste
When: 08 Jun 12 16:16
Its rooted in their culture, its not an easy solution. In other words they simply dont like non-Slavs, it will take a generation or 2 to get to UK standards.
By:
Just Checking
When: 08 Jun 12 16:51
I've been so disgusted by it all I've closed my account @ www.ukrainianbabesseekwellendowedwesterners.com
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