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By:
shudacuda
When: 16 May 12 23:14
If you do the crime,then you gotta do the time.

The laugh is that Green wants the creditors to take 10p in the pound while he boasts about millions waiting to be spent on buying players.

DELUDED.
By:
sofiakenny
When: 16 May 12 23:15
hughie?
By:
shudacuda
When: 16 May 12 23:17
Ye Rangers are shouting for Hughie now.
By:
Kal84
When: 16 May 12 23:19
fcuk the SFA

That is all
By:
sofiakenny
When: 16 May 12 23:25
the currants owned by GREEN..you couldna make it up.
By:
Kal84
When: 16 May 12 23:28
only for the being kenny.

How many titles have your team won?
By:
Kal84
When: 16 May 12 23:29
** Time Being**
By:
sofiakenny
When: 16 May 12 23:30
we have won more euro trophies than you buncha cheatin tax dodgers.Cool
By:
Kal84
When: 16 May 12 23:43
Shrewed Dude

Multipe accounts - banned  [X]
Sh1te at Gambling [X]
No Friends [X]
No Life [X]
No money [X]
Smells [X]
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 16 May 12 23:47
Very upsetting words Kal. Takes me back to when I was in 4 years old at nursery. Grin
By:
Kal84
When: 16 May 12 23:48
Sofiakenny

Fish Farmer - {X) (NAILED ON 1.000000001)
Watches countless videos of Eoin Jess {X}
Seething in his Darren Mackie underpants {X}
Goes to the sea for a free bath {X}
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 16 May 12 23:48
* 4 years old at nursery. Blush
By:
sofiakenny
When: 16 May 12 23:53
getting verbal abuse about personal hygiene from
a urine soaked buckie drinking undermensch
oh the irony!!LaughLaugh
By:
Kal84
When: 17 May 12 00:15
Kenny - insulted by your comments
















It was Mad Dog 20/20


I thought Buckie yourself have been the drink of choice for you Kenny.

Not too far from yourself eh?

Were you proud of Neil Simpson ending Ian Durrants career?

I hear he still plays on that on his endless PR nights with the vermin scum that

I would hate to live where you live Kenny. Us city folk just laugh at you
By:
thebrave
When: 17 May 12 00:40
Most bizarre (but wholly predictable!) aspect of this,is that der hun think they've been hard done by ShockedCrazy
When,they've actually got away with bl00dy murder  - for now Wink
By:
Kal84
When: 17 May 12 00:43
OK BLAME THE HUNS. WHERE WILL IT GET YOU?
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 17 May 12 08:58
The saga is equivalent to me going to court for defrauding the social of 150K, being fined £160 and electronically tagged for 8 hours. I then threaten the judge with violence, appeal against the sentence and organise protests. In such circumstances it would defy belief that my sentence wasn't increased.

It's so ludicrous that you could believe it's all been stage managed. The reaction to the penalty is supposed to make us all believe they've been hard done to so that there will be no need for further sanctions. They're skint. Banning them from the transfer market for a year is like telling someone on the dole they're not allowed to purchase yachts.
By:
mactheknife
When: 17 May 12 09:01
There is so much going on at Rangers just now that it is difficult to envisage where it is all going to end?
With the decision being upheld you would have to say that the evidence must be pretty damning against our club.
The Sir David Murray era and more recently Craig Whyte`s tenure has left the Rangers support in a very embarrassing situation.
I really think it would be best for us if the club just bit the bullet now and went down to Div 3.

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The Rogues Who Ruined Rangers
Posted by admin on 5/17/12 • Categorized as All Articles,Scottish Football with Billy Williamson



Imagine you are the financial controller of a multi-million pound corporation. You discover that your new boss might have forged tax invoices for payments that were never made. What do you do?

I’d like to think I’d call the cops. But if you’re Ken Olverman, the man in charge of counting the diminished pile of pennies at Ibrox, you’d do what your coffee mug says: Keep Calm and Carry On.

Olverman’s oversight is just one of many astonishing failures of leadership documented in the Scottish Football Association’s “Note of Reasons” – the report produced by the disciplinary tribunal which handed Rangers multiple fines and a 12-month transfer ban.

The sixty pages of the report detail how Sir David Murray was desperate to sell the club, how the entire board knew Whyte wasn’t the man to sell to, and how they were proven right by his actions post-takeover.

But not one of these experienced and highly-compensated executives spoke out. Some even encouraged the sale. So in no particular order, here is your parcel o’ rogues, bought and sold not with English gold, but with four years’ worth of season tickets, courtesy of Ticketus Ltd.

Rogue one: Donald Muir, Director.

Prior to the takeover, there was a “marked division of opinion” on the board about Whyte: “A number of directors remained extremely concerned and extremely sceptical about his good faith, status and standing… They had no evidence that he had sufficient funds to buy or run a football club such as Rangers FC.”

Crucially, “other directors took a less critical view.” Which other directors? Donald Muir, for one, who was on the board at the request of Lloyds Bank. ”Through Mr Muir, the Board of Directors had been made aware that Lloyds were extremely enthusiastic about the potential purchase by Mr Craig Whyte of the MIHL majority shareholding.”

Donald Muir was a director of Rangers, yet he was acting in the best interests of another company: Lloyds Bank. I’m a Rangers shareholder. I wonder if I can sue him?

Rogue two: Martin Bain, Director and Chief Operating Officer.

Bain commissioned a private investigation into Whyte and was “very concerned” at the findings: Whyte had a history of liquidating firms, though strangely it didn’t uncover Whyte’s seven-year director’s ban. So what did he do with this dynamite report? He showed it to his boss, despite “knowing Sir David Murray’s personal and individual approach to business matters he was apprehensive about raising his concerns with him and considered that there might be personal repercussions”. That’s a healthy relationship there, eh?

Murray told Bain to shut up and back the Whyte bid. Bain, in his one display of spine, declined to do so, and “from the time of that meeting … Mr Bain’s hitherto close relationship with Sir David Murray was damaged.”

But did he go public with his report, either directly or discreetly? No.

Rogue three: Alistair Johnston, Chairman.

Despite being “strongly opposed” to the Whyte sale – because he didn’t believe Whyte had any cash – what did the chairman of the board do? He “continued to engage in discussions with Mr Craig Whyte aimed at enhancing the terms of the share purchase agreement.” What he did NOT do was “raise or successfully maintain any substantial level of resistance nor public awareness of their very real concerns.”

Sure, when the BBC cameras were rolling months after the takeover, Johnston was happy to talk. Too little, too late.

Rogue four: Ken Olverman, financial controller of Rangers FC plc.

In August 2011, Olverman was contacted by HMRC, who were verifying invoices provided to them by Ticketus showing large amounts of VAT paid by Rangers. Olverman had no knowledge of these VAT payments, and when he saw the invoices “he was of the view that it appeared as though ‘Clip Art’ computer processes had been involved in their creation… Having sight of the invoices confirmed his view even further that they had not been created within the finance office of Rangers FC.”

That would worry me, untrained in the arts of financial control. So what did Olverman, a member of the august Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland do? Nothing: “He did not inform any of the current directors of Rangers FC of the matter.”

The rogues register is longer still, and of course Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte are the prime scoundrels in this sorry tale.

But reading through the tribunal’s report, seeing that even Greatest Living Ranger John Greig could and should have done so much more to raise the alarm, it’s clear that one group that could have made a difference were kept in the dark about all the dirty details. A group of people who do have the club’s best interests at heart: the fans.

You might not care about Rangers, and that’s fair enough. But if nothing changes, next time the rogues might ruin your club.

– Billy Williamson.
By:
sevey
When: 17 May 12 09:15
Were Is Donald Finley When You Need Him
By:
thebrave
When: 17 May 12 10:00
mack -"With the decision being upheld you would have to say that the evidence must be pretty damning against our club."

Too bl00dy right it is Shocked
Expulsion was a possibility, you got off lightly Crazy but the arrogance of der hun is staggering, not a whiff of contrition or hands being held up to the irrefutable evidence stacked up against them, instead we get - "we arra peepil! those taigs huv goat it in fur us!"
Utterly mind blowing stupidity CrazyCrazy
By:
shudacuda
When: 17 May 12 12:47
kal84

Are you proud of Naismiths over the top tackle on Milson(just as bad as Simmies,although the weegie press kept it quiet)

Milson has been out all season after this assault.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 17 May 12 13:50
I've yet to hear any reason why this is unfair on Rangers. There reasoning seem to be one of the following pish reasons

1/ It' Celtics fault
2/ It's Whyte's fault.
3/ Rangers are Scottish football and shouldn't be punished.
4/ What have we done that others like Motherwell haven't done and they got no punsihment?

To quote Elton "sorry seems to be the hardest word".
By:
thebrave
When: 17 May 12 14:54


As if things weren't bad enough, their worst nightmare came true as well CoolCool

Grin
By:
shudacuda
When: 17 May 12 16:24
Looking at Lennons bitter,tw3isted,surly face would be anybodys worst nightmare.
By:
liamcol
When: 17 May 12 16:51
seething, lol.

By:
thebrave
When: 17 May 12 17:06
"The appeal meeting will come to order.
Please rise for the learned Judge Carloway.
Please be seated."

Judge Carloway: "Will the counsel for the defence state the grounds for the appeal?"

Richard Keene QC: "We arra peepil yir honour!"

Judge Carloway: "Appeal dismissed."

LaughLaugh
By:
liamcol
When: 17 May 12 18:02
Richard Keene QC: "But, but, your honour, it has worked for the past 140 yrs.  Cry
By:
skullery
When: 17 May 12 20:56
serious question  here... John boyle owner of motherwell 2002 cant pay debts including HMRC club enters administration stayed in a CVA for 2 years eventually gains control of motherwell after most debts are cleared in the CVA , is now doing a share issue and selling his shares over to the fans ..10 YEARS LATER... WHY NO OUT CRY OVER THIS GUY  ,
By:
mightymoyes
When: 17 May 12 21:49
the fans want their players to stop playing for scotland! as if they'll have any players decent enough to play international football in div.3!Laugh
they really do seem to live in another reality!
By:
skullery
When: 17 May 12 22:18
They play the USA in 9 days , and they are still in the SPL that is the reality of it
By:
thebrave
When: 17 May 12 23:37
(numb?)skullery - Yet another hun refusing to even acknowledge the fraudulent and corrupt practice of his club, preferring instead to indulge in the tedious whatabouttery we've become so bored with CrazyCrazy
As you say, Motherwell were in administration about 10 years ago, but at that time there were no rules to deal with such an eventuality, and it was only after learning from what had happened to several clubs in ingerlundshire, that the Scottish authorities decided to introduce a sanction of a 10 point deduction and an embargo on the signing of new players.
This was to be introduced at the start of season 2004/2005, and any clubs already in administration had to be in the process of coming out of administration by 31 May 2004, otherwise the sanctions would be imposed.
Motherwell in April 2004(and Dundee if memory serves) satisfied this condition and avoided any penalties.
John Boyle incidentally, did not sell his shares in Motherwell. He stood down as chairman and gave up his shareholding for free - at least that is my recollection of the story.
I could go on, but if I remember you correctly of old, you will ignore all of the above and pull up some ludicrously unrelated instance and ask "how come they phuckin tarriers got away wi that wan then? we arra peepil, we shouldny huv tae pit up wi that...innat!" CrazyCrazy

Grin
By:
charlatan
When: 18 May 12 00:49
record this for posterity:

i agree with feck
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 18 May 12 09:46
Surprised.
By:
skullery
When: 18 May 12 17:01
The Brave ( in internet land )

you have avoided the question let me ask again ... how do you feel about John Boyle and Motherwell spending obove their means , using a CVA to avoid paying their debts , was it ok for them not to pay their debts because rules were not in place ?

did sporting integrity only pop up its ugly head up after the 2004 did the SPL invent sporting integrity ?

When Gretna won their league titles by spending above their means was their any outcry to have history changed and have them removed from the history books ?
By:
skullery
When: 18 May 12 17:21
just once i would like to enter a debate on here with Celic supporters that doesnt result in me geing a barrage of biggoted abuse ...HUNS TARRIERS ORANGE B.....

nil by mouth...

Offensive sectarian language is still used in Scotland on a daily basis, with abusive terms such as “Hun” and “Orange bastard” being used negatively against Protestants (or those perceived to be) and others such as “****” and “Tim” used negatively against Catholics (or those perceived to be). This reinforces religious and racial stereotypes as well as fuelling the divisions and conflict between the denominations and poeple of no religious denomination. Children commonly use words without any knowledge of their meaning, but with an understanding that these words are a means by which to insult others.
By:
mactheknife
When: 18 May 12 19:56
Hi Skullery

Given everything that is going down with the Rangers atm. Livingston are quite within their rights to complain to the governing bodies.
It`s no surprise though as their chairman is renowned as a very clever man.
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Livid Livingston threaten to sue the SFA over Rangers punishment
By JOHN MCGARRY
PUBLISHED: 01:04, 16 May 2012 | UPDATED: 01:05, 16 May 2012
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Livingston plan to sue the SFA for up to £1.2million in lost revenue if Rangers are given a lesser punishment to the one they received for entering administration three years ago.
The West Lothian club were relegated from the First to the Third Division by the Scottish Football League in 2009 for breaching insolvency rules.
The club’s appeal to the SFA was rejected, meaning they had to work their way up the divisions with back-to-back promotions.
A consortium led by former Cowdenbeath chairman Gordon McDougall bought the club from disgraced Italian Angelo Massone — only to be thrown to the bottom tier of the senior game the following week.
McDougall has been outspoken in his criticism of the decision to demote Livingston and has already claimed Scottish football will be ‘tarnished’ if Rangers are allowed to start afresh in the SPL as a newco, should attempts to secure a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) fail.
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Livid Livingston threaten to sue the SFA over Rangers punishment
By JOHN MCGARRY
PUBLISHED: 01:04, 16 May 2012
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Livingston plan to sue the SFA for up to £1.2million in lost revenue if Rangers are given a lesser punishment to the one they received for entering administration three years ago.
The West Lothian club were relegated from the First to the Third Division by the Scottish Football League in 2009 for breaching insolvency rules.
The club’s appeal to the SFA was rejected, meaning they had to work their way up the divisions with back-to-back promotions.
A consortium led by former Cowdenbeath chairman Gordon McDougall bought the club from disgraced Italian Angelo Massone — only to be thrown to the bottom tier of the senior game the following week.
McDougall has been outspoken in his criticism of the decision to demote Livingston and has already claimed Scottish football will be ‘tarnished’ if Rangers are allowed to start afresh in the SPL as a newco, should attempts to secure a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) fail.

Dark clouds: Livingston have threatened to sue the SFA
It is understood Livingston wrote to the SFA last week seeking ‘clarity’ on their handling of the Rangers financial crisis and have warned they view their own treatment as a precedent.
The First Division club are expected to ask questions of the governing body if the Old Firm giants are not dealt with in the same manner and could take legal action to recover loss of income.
Both Livingston and the SFA refused to comment on the letter.
The 12 SPL clubs will meet again on May 30 to consider proposals for dealing with newco scenarios.
Two seasons of 10-point deductions and a reduction of commercial revenue for three years are among the possible sanctions.

Prospective new Rangers owner Charles Green’s preference for exiting administration is through a CVA. But, if he fails to persuade 75 per cent of creditors to vote for his proposal, he would then turn to a newco option.
Meanwhile, one of the country’s leading legal figures will spearhead Rangers’ appeal against a season-long transfer embargo.
Mr Richard Keen QC has been hired to fight the Ibrox club’s corner after a Judicial Panel took the action for ‘bringing the game into disrepute’ at a hearing last month.
Sitting on the appeals panel are Lord Carloway, Spartans chairman Craig Graham  and former Partick Thistle chairman Allan Cowan.
By:
MadVlad
When: 18 May 12 20:08
Feck N. Eejit 17 May 12 08:58 
The saga is equivalent to me going to court for defrauding the social of 150K, being fined £160 and electronically tagged for 8 hours. I then threaten the judge with violence, appeal against the sentence and organise protests. In such circumstances it would defy belief that my sentence wasn't increased.

^ ffs for once I agree with feck Shocked I need to lie down,matron ! Laugh
By:
MadVlad
When: 18 May 12 20:15
ps how can Rangers buy players when they have still not paid for the players in their team ie Lee Wallace ?

If I bought a car for 10k from arnold clark and then stopped making payments then my car is taken away and given back to arnold clark ffs Sad

pps can we have Lee Wallace back please Confused
By:
shudacuda
When: 18 May 12 20:19
You would think that they would shut up and take this punishment.

They have no cash so it will not have any effect on them,yet they are so stupid they still complain.

If they appeal again then the punishment shuld be doubled.
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