Sir Alex Ferguson: Manchester City will suffer 'untold damage' .....

THE GREATEST MANAGER OF ALL TIME

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seeeeeeeeeething reds

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he drinks too much..hes got a reindeer nose

He was probably just drunk when he said that, to be fair. You've got to cut him some slack, it's not easy managing a football club when you drink as much as he does.

rommel put a couple -- to post a link

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like that

The sort of thread that makes me look forward to leaving the forum

Mindless.

thing is if city fail to beat qpr, how much damage would it do to manu should they then fail to beat sunderland

ANGRY OLD TW4T PAST HIS SELL BY DATE

rommel; It's called mind games and the intention is clear. The psychological and football genius that is Sir Alex Ferguson is attempting to "psyche out" his opponents by cranking up the pressure on them, by reminding them of what the penalty for a failure of this magnitude would be.

I stated the same thing on this forum just the other day; my belief is that City would not recover if they fail to beat QPR and United went on to win the title. In my opinion it would collectively break them.

It has nothing to do with lack of class, it's all about winning.

"would not recover" metaphor? What do you mean by that, please explain.

well theres mind games and theres bad taste,having some grace,maintaining your dignity

ah get ya dime thx

"would not recover" means what it says; City would be a collectively psychologically broken side if they fail to win the title tomorrow. You just cant recover from something like that.

but I suppose if Man United lose the title they won't have any "recovery" problems at all?

More of this mind games nonsense. Coz it's not like City players don't appreciate the importance of the game, there would be no pressure at all unless Fergie reminded them of that. What rubbish.

The players know what's at stake, regardless of comments around the game. And when the whistle goes for kickoff, all the superfluous sound-bites will have no bearing on what happens in the 90 minutes. And if anybody chokes under the pressure, it's the occasion that got to them -- not someone beforehand saying "Ooh, there's a lot of pressure on that game. It'll be bad if you lost!"

metaphor

Stop talking bolllox man. United recovered well enough from the scarring of the beasting they got from Leeds back in the early 90's when they folded like a cheap suit on the run in. If any team will find it hard to recover from the title run it would be United throwing away the title after doing a Devon Loch with an ageing side. City have got lucky and will view it as such if they fail to close the deal. They can only get sronger while United get weaker. Throw in the fact that Fergie has clearly lost the mind games over the last few weeks and is desperately trying to claw back lost dignity and you have all the hallmarks of him going the same way as Cloughie.

the mover, well no united wont be so devastated because...
1) they have already "lost" the league
2) they have won so much trophies that this one setback wont make much of an impact. in their minds and reality united are winners and nothing can take that away.

City haven't won a major trophy for 43 years or whatever, so to them it would be devastating, they will always consider themselves losers from that point forward.

United fans starting to turn into Liverpool fans already

May 12, 2012 -- 11:43AM, metaphor wrote:

the mover, well no united wont be so devastated because... 1) they have already "lost" the league2) they have won so much trophies that this one setback wont make much of an impact. in their minds and reality united are winners and nothing can take that away. City haven't won a major trophy for 43 years or whatever, so to them it would be devastating, they will always consider themselves losers from that point forward.

dont take up "the law" will you

And back to the same point. How long was it since United had won the title when they folded against Leeds? How long did it then take them to win the title after their dramatic collapse?

You United fans are so bitter it is hilarious. Baiting you is going to be better than having a pop at the scouse idiots (apologies to the classy blue half of Liverpool)

And the funny thing is I don't even support City but will be cheering them to the rafters tommorow as they sling the rotting red corpse in the Irwell.

the dza, it does get under your skin when your main rival says something like this, it irritates you, it cant be helped, it really does get to you.


I really believe there's a chance City will bottle it and Fergies comments will annoy them.

rommel, for once you were actually making some sense right up until the law thing, what on earth are you on about now you deranged loon?!?!

Eeternaloptimist, there's a classy part of Liverpool?

May 12, 2012 -- 11:49AM, metaphor wrote:

rommel, for once you were actually making some sense right up until the law thing, what on earth are you on about now you deranged loon?!?!

I'll have to agree to disagree, Metaphor. I think when that whistle goes and the game kicks off, all that matters is the occasion itself. The pressure will be huge but I don't see quips from any manager influencing it. The stakes are big enough in their own right.

city have had 2 massive tests lately,utd,newcastle...came through,now at home to a poor team,great home record and all fergies hot air wont count for sh**

And of course, the counter argument is always "If there is no effect, why do Fergie, Jose etc. bother with it?"

The answer is that these guys have big egos and the press love to ask them questions knowing they will get a good sound-bite, generating discussion amongnst plebs like us. Fergie et al say the same things every season; win, lose or draw. They love the sound of their own voice.

When they win, "it's the mind games wot won it!" and when they don't, it's some other mystery. It's nothing to do with the other mob having better players who are strong enough to handle the pressure of big games.

to finish i just think fergie overstepped the mark and he has come across as small,-mean spirited maybe,gl all today

Exactly. If City fold it will either be because of the fact that they couldn't handle the pressure, couldn't put away their chances, unlucky decisions etc etc. Tomorrow on MOTD one of the first things which would be asked is whether Fergie the master of the mind games had worked his magic again? All total and utter bollox. If Fergie's mind games had worked he wouldn't now be on his knees with his cup out like a shuffling old beggar asking for a few coppers for a bottle of meths and begging Sparky who can't stand the cnunt for a favour.

May 12, 2012 -- 11:46AM, themover wrote:

United fans starting to turn into Liverpool fans already

hey, easy now... i was quite fond of you until you said that

You only need to see Kevin Keegan's meltdown live on TV, to know how much effect psychological warfare can have. It does matter, anything that can annoy your opponent matters. It rattles them, it gets under their skin so it obviously does soemthing. But how much effect does it have on results? I honestly don't know, how can you quantify it? If it angers your opponent then you have a psychological advantage over them, and any advantage is important.

metaphor

We saw how much effect Mancini's mind games had on Fergie when he set his stall out for a draw and broke down on the touchline as Mancini's side taught him a lesson.

Well mancinis had saffers over a fckn desk for the last 6 weeks and the italian boy is still full of juice,eat sh** fergie

hehe dime. Ok, I withdraw the comment, it's not that serious a problem at United

The old boy should be taking it easy at his age. Go with dignity at the end of the season after handing the baton on. He has created the second best side in Manchester. He should be proud of his achievements this season.

it was quite amusing seeing Mancini give SAF the hand gesture for being gobby... i'm a united fan. not a supporter due to the strict rules imposed by fellow forum members, just a fan/follower but i quite like that someone is actually challenging for the title and the whole extra vibe Mancini is contributing. Reminds me of the Jose days. would like to see Jose back at Chelsea next season with a pocket full of dough to splash to take on Roberto's merry men.

Seriously, what happens if it all goes wrong tomorrow? A City player gets sent off, QPR get a soft pen, City get no help from the ref. You are mugs if you assume it will all be plain sailing. If United score first, then QPR score first, then we will see how much bottle City have.

If those things do happen to City don't forget that your bunch of chokers have still got a job to do.

May 12, 2012 -- 12:15PM, metaphor wrote:

Seriously, what happens if it all goes wrong tomorrow? A City player gets sent off, QPR get a soft pen, City get no help from the ref. You are mugs if you assume it will all be plain sailing. If United score first, then QPR score first, then we will see how much bottle City have.

what the fck you on about,if anyones showed bottle lately its city,utd have folded like a fckn cheap suit,wouldnt be a surprise to see sunderland do them

can we assume that if Man C win the league then Man U will be the team that suffers 'untold damage' given that it was in the bag and trading as low as 1.03 to win it a few weeks ago

1.01 blob

Yeah really bitter, only manager to do the Champions League, Fa cup and Premiership treble in the same season.


rommel is the bitter one is small club has only won 1 (old) Division one title in nearly 25 years.

HE IS STILL SEETHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT DAVID MOORES KNOCKED BACK MAN CITY TYPE INVESTORS FOR HICKS & CO.....




SO DONT FORGET THAT....THE TEAM THAT YOU WILL BE CHEERING ON IN MANCHESTER.........THAT COULD OF BEEN YOU.....HA HA HA



SEETH AWAY

May 12, 2012 -- 12:23PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:

Yeah really bitter, only manager to do the Champions League, Fa cup and Premiership treble in the same season.rommel is the bitter one is small club has only won 1 (old) Division one title in nearly 25 years.HE IS STILL SEETHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT DAVID MOORES KNOCKED BACK MAN CITY TYPE INVESTORS FOR HICKS & CO.....SO DONT FORGET THAT....THE TEAM THAT YOU WILL BE CHEERING ON IN MANCHESTER.........THAT COULD OF BEEN YOU.....HA HA HA SEETH AWAY

good seethe there bet

ITS HURTINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

I'm on about if things go wrong for City tomorrow. If they get a player sent off, soft pen against them, these things happen in football.

QPR will treat this game like a one off Cup final.. they will be right up for it. And as we all know, anything can happen in a one off Cup tie.

May 12, 2012 -- 12:25PM, metaphor wrote:

I'm on about if things go wrong for City tomorrow. If they get a player sent off, soft pen against them, these things happen in football. QPR will treat this game like a one off Cup final.. they will be right up for it. And as we all know, anything can happen in a one off Cup tie.

SHOULDNT BE SMOKING THAT STUFF SO EARLY MET'

City at home to qpr

metaphor don't bother talking sensibly in a thread like this, it just doesn't work. the thread was created for a reason... bait thread

ooooooooooooh city arent at home to lowly qpr,top team v relegation team,its a one off cup tie at a neutral venue and suddenly qpr have as much talent in their team as city,silly me,cant see the fckn wood for the trees sometimes,mea culpa

It would be better for City of they were playing a side higher up the league, mid table side like Sunderland, because they wouldn't care. Instead they are playing a side who really cares. The more I think about this, the more I realise how badly this could go for City.

United have an excellent chance of winning the title tomorrow and destroying City in the process. I cant wait

rommel forgot to take his meds this morning

Dimebar, you greatly underestimate me old bean. Bait can work in many ways...

May 12, 2012 -- 12:31PM, metaphor wrote:

It would be better for City of they were playing a side higher up the league, mid table side like Sunderland, because they wouldn't care. Instead they are playing a side who really cares. The more I think about this, the more I realise how badly this could go for City.United have an excellent chance of winning the title tomorrow and destroying City in the process. I cant wait

ha well looks like youve convinced yourself at least,put some money on it

May 12, 2012 -- 12:32PM, dimebar8 wrote:

rommel forgot to take his meds this morning

my meds will be going down shortly,merlot

Oh I have already rommel and I will put some more money on it now, thanks for the reminder.

On Sunday evening I highly suspect we will all be talking about how it all went horribly wrong for City.

Poor poor City, they just get out of our shadow, cant even buy themselves out for half a billion.

May 12, 2012 -- 12:37PM, metaphor wrote:

Oh I have already rommel and I will put some more money on it now, thanks for the reminder.On Sunday evening I highly suspect we will all be talking about how it all went horribly wrong for City. Poor poor City, they just get out of our shadow, cant even buy themselves out for half a billion.

i believe you met',honest i do

Dza, and other mind game knockers need only look at the response of martin oneil and some of the sunderland players including our very own oshea when he claimed we had two easy games in an obvious attempt to stir them up.

Even though they know what he's up to its worked.

Mine games work..deal with it friends. Top end managers like mourinho and fergie would not bother if it did not. To what degree depends on a number of other factors on any given situation but there's no doubt they can impact.


Peace

mind games do work,witness the fck total collapse of fergie the last few weeks,and now whimpering like a fckn orphan exhorting qpr to do a trick with loaves and fishes

He'll be reduced to taking back his empties next.

rafa rant ha ha

of course when united blew the chance of their first title in 25 years back in 1992 losing 3 games in a row they were so "broken" by it they promptly won it the following year winning the last 7 games.

even if united somehow hang on tomorrow it's just postponing the inevitable

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bettor lurrrrrrrrrrrrrve the perm,keep digging it up,has he got hai karate on too?(i'm assuming you'll know)

R0ykeane
and some of the sunderland players including our very own oshea when he claimed we had two easy games in an obvious attempt to stir them up.

Swansea were equally annoyed and despatched, meaning that the "mind games" balls works perfectly, except when it doesn't...

Like I said Roy, these rent-a-quote managers love the sound of their own voices, rather than any magic effect their comments have. They are ego-maniacs. This is why they bother with it. For the sake of it. They get inane questions put to them by a sycophantic press who lap up the bullsh1t. And it's why not all successful bosses do it, because not all of them are rent-a-quotes.

Likewise, there are unsuccessful bosses who talk a lot, but due to their lack of success, it's not known as 'mind-games'.

Haven't read this thread apart from the OP, but my take is that either Fergie needs to work on his script a bit better or get a real psychologist in the help with the mind games.

Untold damage? What a Tsunami roaring in?

Complete plank.