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so investor, 3 questions:

1) if everyone was on sub 3%, would it still work?
2) does it work in absolute terms, or only when PC mitigation is factored in?
3) if "yes" and "the former" why do you think prices wouldn't adjust to stop it working?

1) yes
2) only PC mitigation factored in
3) n/a

Fulltreff....the wheels came off the wagon as soon as you were caught responding to yourself.

Just give up...or alternatively, keep going so I can crack a few more ribs laughing.

shame, investor - i was going to ask you to pm it to me.

...you would have done, wouldn't you?

-900 for our norwegian punter today... not a good way to promote lol

Don't forget long term it's a profitable system

Yes, yesterday was a bad day. And many days are.. But there are more good days. :) People moaning about bad days, are people that dont make money. My system IS a long term profitable one themover. :)
ANd I will still give away one week fre trial to people that mail me helge@vipklubben.no

whoops someone forgot to log out again

Are you still here?

You have given nobody a reason to sign up. I myself have a trading service and have been running it since 2010. It took me a long time to get there and build up a subscriber list and I actually pay to advertise rather than throw it about on here to try and con people. People know what they get.

One thing that has annoyed me since i've been doing this are scammers. I will happily put your website on my website under the 'avoid' category to inform my members and visitors JUST why they shouldn't give a penny to you, using your 'double nickname' as clear evidence for people to make up their minds.

it's not really a "system" anyway... it's 1 very risky bet every time that needs 4 winners to every loser to see a +

it's really not very good you should look for something a bit more reliable

I already have some subscribers. And I guess they are serious about betting, and not moaning on forums.. :)
So you have a service czechrover, what is the name of your site? Or is it a "secret" I guess you will give some clever reason not to say what it is...??
The system dimebar, is the selection criterias, that has proven profitable for a year now.

Helge

;-) I won't put it on here as it's breaking forum rules and I don't need to spam my service but feel free to search for it yourself. I have a PAID advertisement banner at the top of one of the biggest FREE tipping sites for football

How predictable czech.. A clever reason not to put out the name of "your site".. ;)
Of course, it don't exist..

Are you kidding me? Go to the footy tipster's site...you will find a big green banner link to my site from there. Why would I bring myself down to your level and spam this board? You have already had your post deleted and should have been banned by now. Ridiculous

My level.. :) You have no site, and we all know that. You like to nag on forums, you buy different betting systems all the time, and  never do anything consistent. Start spending your time and focus on bet on something that works.

By the way, here are my selections to score in second half today:
7:00 - Go Ahead Eagles vs Den Bosch
7:00 - Maastrict vs Cambuur
7:45 - Stoke vs Everton

why would anyone follow u or subscribe now sky, or helge? 2 losers from 2 doesnt bode well for future mmembers does it, what if tonight's lose as well? and y have u got 2 usernames?

Ok I have definitely taken the bait here...I should leave it but you wind me up because scammers like you cause problems for everyone. I told you where to find my site. Find it. Email me at the address on the site. My name is Dave. I am happy to answer your questions and I'm equally as happy to here WHY I shouldn't warn my members and visitors against you by naming and shaming. I also have a facebook page and a twitter for the site so feel free to open your eyes and find it without me breaking forum rules like you did and spoon feeding it to you. I have been running it since 2010. I have an actual domain not a free one and I don't promise to make people rich. Serious gamblers know the score and know how to lose. There are many people who offer services and many of us provide honest services without the need to LIE like you did yesterday. We see people like you every week and we work together to make sure you don't rob anymore than you have already. Same old story, system idea (a very poor one) and 'ok if i put it on the betfair forum and ten people sign up it gives me a big betting bank to start with after i lost my last one...oooo if 100 sign up I'm going to nail it'.

So like I said....email me. Looking forward to it.

If you really are Dave, you got a mail now.. :)

Thanks for the mail although that email address is about a year old so I'm not sure which site you saw. My current email is dave@'nameofmysite'.com...of course...I am an angry man because of reasons I stated above and as for your comment in the email of 'I really dont see the value in what you are selling. But of course, I dont know enough about it. It seems to me that it is just generally information about betting' well I don't understand that as the site clearly states a 32 page e-book with 10 strategies and daily picks for life..clearly more than 'information on betting'.

As for cooperation...I think we have different motives so no I won't but thank you for the link to your dating site...wtf

a truly terrible pitch

Again my English is not sufficient. But I do understand that it has no positive meaning..
And that is ok. Again, I will tell. All people who email me on helge@vipkubben.no will get one week free access to my service.
Even if many are naging here, I have had a lot of mails, and I know that everyone that follow my system will make profit. And that is the only important thing. :)

or alternatively, if you don't fancy giving our norwegian friend here a paypal subscription, you can always visit

http://csprofit.webs.com/members12

which dimebar posted above

to be fair he got his 3 picks right today...

"By the way, here are my selections to score in second half today:
7:00 - Go Ahead Eagles vs Den Bosch
7:00 - Maastrict vs Cambuur
7:45 - Stoke vs Everton"

so if you didn't start yesterday on the man city and Plzen matches you'd be alright lol

Only two winners because the maastricht game did not hit the 4 odds.

If no goal comes before 60 min ...then Over 2.5 is going 2 look bad for me ....:(

ive got a map to a gold mine if anyones interested?

Here are todays selections:


7:00 - Ajax vs VV Venlo
7:00 - Ultrecht vs Vitesse
7:45 - Chelsea vs Newcastle
8:00 - Bolton vs Tottenham

Lay current score at halftime @ odds 4

May 2, 2012 -- 12:35PM, fulltreff wrote:

Here are todays selections:7:00 - Ajax vs VV Venlo7:00 - Ultrecht vs Vitesse7:45 - Chelsea vs Newcastle8:00 - Bolton vs TottenhamLay current score at halftime @ odds 4

what market? what bet?

I lay the current sore in the correct score market on Betfair.

GOT TO LOVE CZECHROVER'S 'OUTRAGE' AT SPAMMING YET GIVES JUST ABOUT EVERY DETAIL ABOUT HIS OWN SITE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN 'PUSHED' INTO IT

shocking behaviour by czech plugging his own site. i would never do that for my own site russianhookers dot com

I wouldn't plug mine either

www.cheaperrussianhookersthanfallenangelssite.com

haha fair enough although from what I've read these last few days i'm not sure the people who write on these forums can afford to sign up! I think it's 2 different types of gambler we're talking about here. Not marking everyone with the same brush of course

Seems like you have to taste your own medicine now czech.. Don't complane about negative people, you are one your self.. Anyway, at least we agree about one thing. But I knew this from before. And I ignore the negative and spend my time on all the positive mails I've got. And actually, I had pretty many.

I can't believe this thread is still going when it is
essentially about backing 1.25 chances. I can't believe
there is much mileage in it, especially with so much
stats for research.

You don't have to believe it. Just follow and see.. :)

kenilworth is right. Backing 1.25 chances, no matter what the research and no matter what the selection criteria, will lose in the long run.

My advice, don't pick your games before they kick off. Draw up your usual short list, watch the games, then decide which ones to enter in-play. Or maybe enter the ones that haven't had a goal yet on 70 mins at evens instead of half time. Laying at odds of 4 on football is simply not profitable long term, sorry.

only scanned the thread, but backing 1.33 shots, is it not?

"no matter what the selection criteria, will lose in the long run."
ALL systems czech, will loose in the long run.. Also your ten strategies. If you play all games.
As I have told you: I have been doing this for a year with my criterias. And made profit fro it.. As simple as that. It is so comic when people say: "That does not work" without even know anything about it.
BUT you have a point about in-play. I have statistics on that too. And some games I wait till halftime before I make a decission of betting or not. But most of people like to have just a bet & go. And that works with my selection methode. But I will look to also add an in-play service also. And this will work by sms.

The likelyhood of a second half goal depends on many things,
including  the prematch goal expectancy, the prematch betting,
the half time score, the needs of the protagonists, for instance
the tv matches this evening Rangers v Dundee U and Bolton v Tott
are quite different from each other (foreign games excluded). I
play on the tv matches from half time onwards, sometimes backing,
sometimes laying, prices dependent on what is happening right up
to the 85th min etc. I have to basically agree with czechrover.

At what point do you plan on laying the current score at Ajax given that current score price is 16.5 at half time.

Laying at odds of 4 on football is simply not profitable long term, sorry.

fair post generally, but thats absolute rubbish, I'm afraid. i've been laying a specific situation at between 3.5 and 4.5 for a long time now.

The Ajax game did not qualify sleepless.
Do you want to share what marke you are laying Coatsy?

that's really this guy's system? back another goal at half time at 1.33?

okay, so now we have:

[x] liar
[x] spammer
[x] cretin

anyone who sends this guy money for crap like that needs sectioning for their own protection.

coatsy, I have the half time score price between 3.5 and 5.0
depending on prevailing score and the goal expectancy.

no i would not, thank you very much. I've noticed an overall drift of about 0.5-1 since i first started it, so obviously a few others are cottoning on, but i have no desire to make my edge vanish overnight.

if you're confident in your system, you wouldn't tell a soul.

and before you reply that its very convenient i won't share my system, and that you're so genuine for doing so, just remember: i don't have to give a toss whether anyone thinks I'm telling the truth or not; at the end of the day I'm only accountable to my p/l.

So you had it up as one of your selections earlier in the thread but it now doesn't qualify. Did your years of experience and wealth of knowledge not tell you that there was not a chance that the current score price would be so high at half time.

its takes a special breed of mug to believe any dutch game would ever have correct score down at 4 at ht

Well said, coatsy.

Why dont you just stop bullying this guy, say what you think and then let him get on with it. Its not your job/s to protect other people from scams, if that is what it is.

besides, and I'm rambling here i know, just a cursory glance over this forum will tell you that its not, and is never, about serious, long term, profitable betting. its a bit of a laugh, banter and a good place to get the occasional fun, unusual tip (fgs, anytime, ht/ft etc). whilst I'm sure there are many here who don't do the research, and don't aim to make a consistent, sustainable profit, there are also many that do, they just don't talk about it. simply put, if you follow anything said on this forum for more than a bit of fun, you'll spunk your cash away by the end of the  month.

Why dont you just stop bullying this guy, say what you think and then let him get on with it. Its not your job/s to protect other people from scams, if that is what it is.

true enough, its no one's job, but its also, above all else, a discussion forum. i reserve the right to call bullchite where i see it, and this guy is just a charlatan hiding behind the fact he has his own website.

what are you talking about, bullying? he's a spammer and a liar, he deserves everything he gets. including a life ban.

But harassing people can be construed as cyberbullying, and while he may be breaking the rules, so is anyone who is doing that and could just as easily be banned. Nothing wrong with saying what you think but to vilify someone when the obvious answer is to 'report' him and let Betfair's moderators decide is just as bad in my view.

maybe if he wasn't trying to give as good as he got, whilst spamming the same email address and offer

If anyone disagrees with him, all they have to do is
ignore the thread, it's that easy.

But harassing people can be construed as cyberbullying,

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it's not harassment, and you have to have bought into some real liberal human rights drivel to think it is.

he's exposed himself as a liar on here, and he's trying to scam people out of money for crap tips. everyone is totally within their rights to ridicule and abuse him till he does the decent thing and fcks off.

Then youll have to presume that if he is isnt scamming, he won't report you either. Im not that bothered, but I just dont like to see people being driven away from this site, when he is obviously a Betfair punter and adds money into the Betfair system which benefits everyone using this site.

Anyone who scams others is a cùnt and deserves ridicule.
Those stupid enough to be scammed are welcome here.

he's more than welcome to report me.

no one's trying to drive him away from the site. he wants to come on here and post tips or chat about football, good luck to him.

but he doesn't. he wants to spam a rip-off tipping site and try to con people with sock puppets on his own thread.

liar, spammer, cretin.

fwiw, im, personally at least, not trying to drive him away from the forum and/or betfair, I'm just calling him out on the arse gravy he's been spouting. as far as I'm concerned this forum can never have too many mugs

Two games qualified today, and they both won. Of course, I don't expect all the negative people to follow my bets. And for those that believe in it: paper trade it first. Like I did before I found it profitable. And again, thanks for all the mails I've got from you positive guys. :)

This reminds me of the pair of clowns on the Rugby forum who were selling their system: laying the draw.  Was all going supremely well until the fateful day of two draws.  Needless to say they were never heard from again.

If you think you've found a system which picks winners from certain parts of the game in certain scenarios I have a message for you.  You haven't.  You may be winning now.  But that is only for now.

The strength of a winning system is NOT in the winners, but in it's ability to cope with the losers.

Until you've seen a succession of losers you have fùck all.

Well done fulltreff. Ignore the haters.

Thanks Forum Breader. :)

Viva: I will not report you or anyone.
As you may have read in the news: We Norwegians had the worst sick man killing a lot of our kids on the Utoya massakre. (including someone I knew) But we don't respond with hate, we rather stay together, and try to focus on positive things. NOT comparing this to that of course, but try to think more positive..

Mr Angry: I don't think I have found a system that works. One year ago I thought that. And now I have been using it for a year. And not one month with loss. That is why I am confident about it.

what positive things like scamming strangers and lying?

bringing the breivik case into your tawdry efforts to rip people off marks you out as even more of a tw@t than I thought.

'Until you've seen a succession of losers you have **** all'

Excellent comment there Mr.Angry

If you're laying for stakes of 150 at odds of 4...thereby risking 450 per bet (I assume you have a bank of at least 9000 to risk that per bet otherwise you are stupid) then you need 3 wins to cover 1 loss. Simply laying the correct score at half time can easily produce 10 wins in a row, so it's nothing special. The problem is dealing with the losses. You had two losses in one night already so minus 900. You might say that's rare but it doesn't matter. You then had a run of wins. A loss tomorrow will mess it up, what happens if you have 2 losses tomorrow? or more? then pressure is on the next day. Before you know it, you are deep in the ****. Your 'system' is completely flawed. Unfortunately for you, the time will come where you have 5 losses in a row and you won't recover from it because another loss will come soon after. Anything can affect it in football...red cards, bad decisions etc

You simply won a few bets, got excited and decided to 'flog it'. I have no doubt that you will provide a good service to those who sign up. But your system is bad, you are just trying to earn a quick buck before it dies to build your own bank up. I've seen it so many times before. Some people out there....Mr Abraham for example...do what you do very well. That guy doesn't have one bet of his own and he makes a four figure sum monthly scamming people like you are doing now.

2 Winners on such a big night of fixtures. Where do I sign....

Did not expect you should understand or change attitude viva. I anyway wish you a good night, and guess you will complaine more tomorrow when I post the selections of my idiotic system. :)

no I'll just keep taking the p!ss out of you and reminding people that you're a scammer who's been caught lying on here.

which is what you deserve.

fulltreff, did you give the correct email address earlier?

I wrote to you, but it was returned as sent to non-existent address.

I have had 5 loosers on a row czech, and as I tell, I recomend a 50 pt bank. of course I can have a loss or even two tomorrow again. But I will do the same I have done for a year, and is confident about it.
It is a little bit funny how people tell how bad something is before they know anything about it.
And again, my selection criteria is the reason the system works. It works in all leagues, so it will run whole year. I also had two in-play bets today wich I sent out to my members today. They also won, but I don't expect anyone in here to believe that. :)

mikenichols: my email adress is helge@vipklubben.no And as said before, I will give anyone that email me one week free access.

Helge

How much after the free week?

After the free week, the price is £ 1 for the second week, and than £ 29 pr month. I want people to be confident and happy. My self, I also use two services that I am satisfied with. And of course I have read a lot of negatives about them on forums like this. And they have loosing days and profitable days. But in long term they have also proven profitable. And that is what it all this is about for me. :)

Todays selections:

7:30 - Austria Lustenau vs WAC St.Anrda
5:00 - Rosenborg vs Stabaek.

Lay current score at half time at odds 4

Usual comments on here, 'your system wont work when you pick lots of losers'. That basically equates to it being impossible to profit from any method because an eventual losing streak will wipe you out...very negative attitude.

il have a go at this.
lay ht correct score in:
shelbourne
shamrock
limerick
blackpool

dulltreffs got competition 

£ 29 pr month.

christ almighty. anyone who sends dollar one to this charlatan for the privilege of waiting for his "system" to lose them even more money shouldn't be allowed to control their own money.

or to wear gloves unconnected by a string.

There you are viva, almost started to miss you. :)
I believe the Shamrock game can be a good choice ieradthatpardon. .)

im not liking the idea. and for that reason, IM OUT.

do you have any other scams running, or is it just this one?

lol nobody will pay him £29 per month when they already know the "system"

basically the £29 is paying for him to go on soccerway and look at teams that score more goals 2nd half, so keep your £29 and visit soccerway yourselves

viva you had your cash-cup paid yet? asked a round a few people but no-one has answered... want to know if anyone has had their's paid before calling

yeah, got it tuesday.

hmm does it show up on your statement? don't think i got mine... not about the money it's just principle

yeah, it's on the statement.

cheers

Here are todays selections:


12:45 - Arsenal vs Norwich

2:30 - Dortmund vs Frieburg

2:30 - Stuttgart vs Wolfsburg

3:00 - Exeter vs Sheffield Utd

3:00 - Stevenage vs Bury

3:00 - Notts County vs Colchester

8:30 - Braga vs Beira Mar

8:30 - Porto vs Sporting Lisbon

Here are todays selections:

14:30 - AZ Alkmaar vs FC Groningen
14:30 - Vitesse vs Ajax
14.30 - VVV Venlo vs Twente
16:00 - Man Utd vs Swansea

Anyone still following this system? I notice the site has gone dead and no new selections posted. Has it failed already or just taking a break?

Not been following but to me looked like enough losers to break the system.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


Fulltrsff--you're wasting your time now F*ck off.

this sounds familiar also...

Six years later and still scamming.

and not even a change in username