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Kal84
24 Apr 12 22:43
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We have been well and truly shafted by the SFA. Its time to boycott away matches, scottish cup, league cup and no players to be available for national team. I want us to apply to join low tier league in england. Possibly the blue square. If the SFA want a war lets give them one. I urge all fellow bears to join the protest at Hampden this saturday. http://m.facebook.com/event.php?eid=349846268407570&refid=17&_ft_=fbid.349505878432039
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Report Kal84 April 26, 2012 4:42 PM BST
One of the charges against against Rangers was bringing the game into disrepute - Rule 66. Our punishment?

The Tribunal found Rangers FC guilty in respect of Rule 66 and imposed the maximum fine of £100,000 payable within 12 months. In addition, the Tribunal imposed a prohibition in terms of Article 94.1 and 95 of the Articles of Association, prohibiting Rangers FC for a period of 12 months from the date of determination from seeking registration with the Scottish FA of any player not currently with the club, excluding any player under the age of 18 years.


Rule 66: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute.



Now the charges against Lennon for his antics in the match against Hearts in the Cup.

Name: Neil Lennon, Celtic FC
Match: Celtic v Heart of Midlothian (William Hill Scottish Cup) - 15th April 2012
Disciplinary Rule(s) allegedly breached: Rules 203, 68 and 71
Principal Hearing Date: Thursday, 10th May 2012

Mr. Lennon has until Thursday, 3rd May 2012 to respond to the Notice of Complaint.

Rule 203: No member of Team Staff shall commit Misconduct at a match, including but not limited to committing acts of the kind described in the Schedule of Offences in Annex C (including where there is aggravation by any factor, including but not limited to prolongation of the incident; combination of different offences; continued use of offensive, abusing and/ or insulting language and/or behaviour; calling a match official a cheat and/ or calling a match official’s integrity into question; failure to comply with a match official’s requests; adoption of aggressive behaviour towards a match official; any racist, sexist, sectarian and/or otherwise discriminatory element; and the degree of any physical violence), breaching the Post Match Protocol and committing Unacceptable Conduct.

Rule 68: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or micro-blogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a referee for misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means.

Rule 71: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football and shall not act in any manner which is improper.



WHY IS LENNON NOT BEING CHARGED UNDER RULE 66? BRINGING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE.

ANOTHER SLAP ON THE WRIST NO DOUBT.

THE SFA ARE CORRUPT
Report History Maker April 26, 2012 4:43 PM BST
No, I hadn't seen that link - sorry. It's nine years old though! Perfectly prepared to accept that both sets of fans travel fine outside the UK - quite possibly better than English fans.
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales April 26, 2012 4:51 PM BST
please miss...he did, she did...
Report BARNEY21. April 26, 2012 5:01 PM BST
Maverick do you actually watch what,s on fare in England outside of maybe3/4 clubs it is dire we know that the level in the SPL is poor but the clubs here don,t have 50ml to be going on with,I.ll tell you something there are some terrific kids from 10yrs+ at Celtic and other clubs what happens to them later is a head scratcher,Celtic beat Chelsea in an under 15s I think it was final their under 19s beat M City,s under 19s in a tournament so all is not doom and gloom.One of your top teams has just reached a European Cup final playing 11 men behind the ball home/away great stuff and this after spending 100s of millions,comparing a nation of 60ml against one of 5ml is hardly a worthy comparison.
Report Platini April 26, 2012 5:25 PM BST
HATELY, what a MUG  LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Feck N. Eejit April 26, 2012 5:43 PM BST
No, I hadn't seen that link - sorry. It's nine years old though! Perfectly prepared to accept that both sets of fans travel fine outside the UK

History Maker, I think you need to do some research. I don't think you're being malicious but your comments are definitely naive. Rangers in Manchester wasn't that long ago. Can you tell me on what basis you're lumping the Celtic fans in with the likes of that? One other thing, Celtic are not a sectarian club.
Report Shrewd_dude April 26, 2012 5:43 PM BST
Christ Hateley the 42 teams including Rangers agreed to an independent, anonymous tribunal to make the decisions and Rangers had a delegation there.
Report BriantheGoat April 26, 2012 5:53 PM BST
The whole situation is getting very heated. Time for some conciliatory words from Sandy Jardine.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/305041-sandy-jardine-rangers-supporters-will-take-sanctions-against-other-clubs/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Report Feck N. Eejit April 26, 2012 6:09 PM BST
lol Brian. I think the only thing that will satisfy them is if the SFA pay off all their debts and claim the money back from Celtic in the shape of a 150 million fine for Neil Lennon.
Report Kal84 April 26, 2012 6:16 PM BST
Its funny you say that Eejit........

Laugh
Report History Maker April 26, 2012 6:16 PM BST
History Maker, I think you need to do some research. I don't think you're being malicious but your comments are definitely naive. Rangers in Manchester wasn't that long ago. Can you tell me on what basis you're lumping the Celtic fans in with the likes of that? One other thing, Celtic are not a sectarian club.

Personal experience, and the rants of various people on internet forums, including this one. It doesn't help that one of my friends was assaulted by three Celtic fans for the crime of being "an English c*nt" in a Glasgow pub.

Also, no matter how you try to dress it up, Celtic may not be a sectarian club, but they have largely sectarian support. Otherwise, why the utter seething and claims that it would provoke violent disorder when Paul Gascoigne did his stupid flute celebration?

I appreciate the fact that Celtic fans haven't misbehaved en masse recently like Rangers fans did in Manchester, and that not all fans should be tarred with the same brush, but the never-ending ability of both sets of fans to feel insulted by the behaviour of others is extremely tedious.

As I said, I'd like to see them both in the EPL. I think that it would cool the rivalry a little, and contrary to the view of most English fans, I think that both would be a beneficial addition to the league.
Report Platini April 26, 2012 6:23 PM BST
just saw Wattie Smith go into a seething meltdown on STV news

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Kal84 April 26, 2012 6:25 PM BST
SIR Walter to you
Report Feck N. Eejit April 26, 2012 6:33 PM BST
Sorry about your mates, we've all got our morons. Re "Otherwise, why the utter seething and claims that it would provoke violent disorder when Paul Gascoigne did his stupid flute celebration?", I don't recall much seething up here, nothing compared to the way Rangers fans react to a Celtic player blessing themself. In fact I'd be surprised if PG got any more than a bit of friendly banter if he walked into a Celtic pub. He's probably about as sectarian as the Dalai Lama.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 26, 2012 6:38 PM BST
Also, no matter how you try to dress it up, Celtic may not be a sectarian club, but they have largely sectarian support.

I would dispute that as well. Our venom is directed at those who hate us. Would you call a black who hated the KKK a racist?
Report History Maker April 26, 2012 7:05 PM BST
Would you call a black who hated the KKK a racist?

Not necessarily, but the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam (spiritually led by Malcolm X) could be called borderline racists. They advocated a separate state for African Americans*. The biggest subject of their hatred was the KKK, but their 'ultras' hated white people just for being white.

In the past, I've heard as much religious abuse bandied about by Celtic fans as Rangers fans I'm afraid.

I don't recall much seething up here, nothing compared to the way Rangers fans react to a Celtic player blessing themself.

I don't live in Scotland, but spent quite a lot of time there for a few years at the turn of the millenium (lived in Newcastle, worked for an Edinburgh based company, so was up there a lot). In my experience, Celtic fans weren't quite as vitriolic as Rangers fans, but not by much.

*-a policy that South Africa absurdly tried to use to legitimize apartheid in the 1970s with its crass creation of 'bantustans'. The two policies aren't really comparable.
Report skullery April 26, 2012 7:09 PM BST
Feck .. do British soldiers hate Celtic

        does the  Queen  hate Celtic..

        do all protestants hate Celtic, how does the song go .. soon there be no protestants at all

few more if you want them
Report iamajambo April 26, 2012 7:16 PM BST
The rest of Scots hate them both.Normally I hate whichever one of them I last had contact with.Both of them are out and out scum,though the Huns are probably the worst.
Report MadVlad April 26, 2012 7:39 PM BST
^ I concur Cool
Report shudacuda April 26, 2012 8:27 PM BST
^^^^^

Got to agree.

Both of them have a victim paranoia.

Its like a child being spoilt for years and then trying to teach them right and wrong.
Report Shrewd_dude April 26, 2012 8:58 PM BST
Another agreeing.

Utter paranoia and total blame culture amongst their fans. Whenever they have done something they deserve to be criticised for they can never accept any blame and just point towards the other team like a child "yes, but look what they have done".

Just when you think one is more paranoid the other fights back. The last few weeks must be the most utterly embarassing and cringe worthy period in Scottish football and it can only get worse.
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales April 26, 2012 9:17 PM BST
i too agree with green willow
Report troy71 April 26, 2012 9:35 PM BST
It's not just Rangers/Celtic fans that are racist/sectarian- The JT's posting on this would do well to remember the incidents with their fans - banana's at mark walters? attacking Celtic manager? hibs players- All teams have their @rseholes!!
Report Feck N. Eejit April 26, 2012 9:48 PM BST
In the past, I've heard as much religious abuse bandied about by Celtic fans as Rangers fans I'm afraid.

It would depend on what you termed religious. Most of it is directed at orangemen.
Report Shrewd_dude April 26, 2012 9:50 PM BST
Very true Troy there are idiots associated with all teams and all these things have been quite rightly condoned. However I don't remember the clubs and their fans taking the stance that it was everybody else's fault and that they were the victims in these cases.
Report History Maker April 26, 2012 10:14 PM BST
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us - Rabbie Burns

Celtic and Rangers fans should both take note imo.
Report grumpyjim April 26, 2012 11:40 PM BST
looks like  rangers have been a gravy train for  25 plus years   .all gravy is  gone  . and hard to take  ,somebody  connected to club allowed all this debt to pile up during their watch  ,,come home to roost ?

strangely  celtic got  of the hook  at  a last minute  ,with a fraction of the debts rangers have now  ????  taken on and signed for by a man with credability  ,who sorted it out over 5 years and  gone  ? 

white knight ...blue knight  ... sign for the  dough , outstanding  and let these poor  administrators off the hook ,

the clock is running and every day adds costs to the pile  thats outstanding ... more so  from administrators .

well past sell by date   ,almost an impossible c.v.a.  to  deliver as it is at moment  .
Is there an answer  ... squabbling makes it worse  .

must be a bluenose , who can come forward with plenty assets to  rescue  similar to  what  mc  cann did  ..

doesn't need to be a footie man  ... a  real  deal business man  who can walk away  with a  handsome profit  like  what happened at neighbours  celtic  .......Leaving it on a sound footing..???
Report Geesyerdosh April 27, 2012 12:06 AM BST
MCCOIST SHOULD OF BEEN DESTROYED IN THE MEDIA TODAY AND PROBABLY BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE POLICE BUT AS USUAL THE SPINELESS HACKS DID AND SAID FUCCK ALL. AND THEN TO WATCH THEM JUST SIT THERE SAYING FUCCK ALL WHILST TRAITOR SMITH WAS ALLOWED TO SPOUT COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE TOTAL BOLLAX THE SOONER THEY ARE IN THE BIN THE BETTER.
Report liamcol April 27, 2012 3:47 AM BST
Brian Clough: "What team did you say you support again?"
Man in the studio audience: "RANGERS!"
Brian Clough: "That's not a football team! That's a gang of villains."
The irrepressible Brian Clough on "Sport in Question"
Report liamcol April 27, 2012 3:48 AM BST
"I'd just come from Italy and France which are catholic countries,very warm and friendly,and here I was in Glasgow with some of my team-mates [i.e. fellow Rangers players] hating catholics. I just couldn't understand it and frankly found it ridiculous."
Ray Wilkins on an ESPN documentary said about Rangers (June 2007)
Report liamcol April 27, 2012 3:48 AM BST
To the Rangers fans: "Stay and vomit in your own home, urinate in the corner of your own sitting room, fight with your own neighbours Celtic (who deserve a medal for putting up with you) and foul the streets of Glasgow. Don't come back to Barcelona, you're an embarrassment. And while we're at it, don't play in the Champions League. You're not up to scratch, either on a sporting or human level.
There are noisy supports who, even though they drink large quantities of beer, make friends. Not you lot, because you turn everywhere you go into dumps. You are undesirables."
El Mundo Deportivo Newspaper on Rangers after the Rangers game v Barcelona in the Nou Camp (Nov 07)
Report liamcol April 27, 2012 3:49 AM BST
"He said I deserved more than that - I was going off. I'd never been sent off in my career and so I had this conversation with him. Basically I told him that, if he sent me off, he'd be demoted from Grade One refereeing - the lot. That was in the days when Rangers had a good relationship with the Scottish FA."
Football Bloody Hell by Patrick Barclay when it mentions a tussle between Alex Ferguson and John Greig (Rangers player) that results in Greig getting sent off. Greig who felt he deserved only a booking relates. Plus ca change....
Report liamcol April 27, 2012 3:49 AM BST
From the observer, 1924
“On the Rangers terracing on Saturday there was congregated a gang, thousands strong, including the dregs and scourings of filthy slumdom, unwashed yahoos, jailbirds nighthawks, won't works, burro-barnacles and pavement pirates, all, or nearly all, in the scarecrow stage of verminous trampdom. This ragged army of insanitary pests was lavishly provided with orange and blue remnants.... Practically without cessation, the vagabond scum kept up a strident howl of the "Boyne Water" chorus. Nothing so bestially ignorant has ever been witnessed, even in the wildest exhibitions of Glasgow Orange bigotry
Report Villareally April 27, 2012 4:26 AM BST
I have to interject. I am Span-glish. My local team is Villareal, and every week we have banners for Celtic. I was recently at Villareal vs. Racing Santander. Naturally, from this country, I am also Catholic.

Yet, because of my "Span-glish" accent, on a train prior to an Old Firm game, just near to Peterborough, I was push, shoved, "sang at", and spat at, by 3 Celtic fans. They were from London, and travelling with 2 kids, one around 5-ish, the other around 13. He spoke to me to apologise for his "parents/co-travellers" language and abuse. I honestly felt moved to tears. The lad had clearly been brought up in England and had an English accent (probably "second generation"). I hope someone gives him a break in life.

Sadly the abuse was not solely at me, and transgressed to racism and nationalities. They were taken off at Motherwell.

I ACCEPT it is not reflective of the entire Celtic Support. I have never had interactions with Rangers supporters to counter balance anything either. My point is that I do not want that on trains for my kids, least of all in English football.

I am told by friends who support Old Firm clubs, that "I don't get it". Well, what is there "to get". I had a lovely time at Villareal v Santander. Despite dodgy time keeping, sat next to Racing fans and surrounded by families. Go home and eat paella, watching evening games. Thats what I want from football.

Seeing the Seville story on BBC is one thing, but I can tell you Celtic fans were also using the fountain as a urinal. Widely broadcast on TV. We found it funny because for every 1 person that used it as a toilet, another 5 were dancing in it. Repeats of this can be found on a Spanish version of "Ooops TV". Admittedly, it was taken in humour and jokes rather than serious nature. If it wasn't for a UEFA Final, there is a fine usually applied.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 27, 2012 6:30 AM BST
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us - Rabbie Burns

Celtic and Rangers fans should both take note imo.


History maker, if you had grown up being knocked backed for jobs because the word Saint appeared in front of your school you'd maybe feel different about it and would doubtless resent being tarred with the same brush as the monster that created you. There is also a political aspect to the Celtic Rangers thing. The Celtic support are primarily socialist while Ibrox is the number one recruiting point in Scotland for the BNP as well as being the bedrock of working class conservatism in Scotland. Thankfully many of them have moved on these days but I often wonder how they reconcile supporting Rangers with their socialist ideals. A bit like Brother Alias with his masonic socialism.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 27, 2012 6:32 AM BST
MCCOIST SHOULD OF BEEN DESTROYED IN THE MEDIA TODAY AND PROBABLY BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE POLICE BUT AS USUAL THE SPINELESS HACKS DID AND SAID FUCCK ALL. AND THEN TO WATCH THEM JUST SIT THERE SAYING FUCCK ALL WHILST TRAITOR SMITH WAS ALLOWED TO SPOUT COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE TOTAL BOLLAX THE SOONER THEY ARE IN THE BIN THE BETTER.

Spot on Geesyerdosh. In order to appease the enraged huns they'll doubtless be dishing out a severe penalty for the blessed one's highlighting of refereeing bias when he next appears yet the cuddly cardigans won't hear a word from them.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 27, 2012 6:36 AM BST
McCoist's insinuation that the SFA had drawn the independent panel from somewhere other than the usual masonic / orange circles (unlikely beyond the token uncle tom imo) is way in excess of anything NL's said. In dishing out such a lenient penalty the panel probably believed they were doing exactly that and the OTT reaction doesn't make it any less lenient.
Report History Maker April 27, 2012 12:06 PM BST
History maker, if you had grown up being knocked backed for jobs because the word Saint appeared in front of your school you'd maybe feel different about it and would doubtless resent being tarred with the same brush as the monster that created you.

Yup, I'm sure that I would. It's a reason, not an excuse, though.

There is also a political aspect to the Celtic Rangers thing. The Celtic support are primarily socialist while Ibrox is the number one recruiting point in Scotland for the BNP as well as being the bedrock of working class conservatism in Scotland.

Yeah, I was aware of that apart from the BNP thing, although that does make sense. Rangers is a bastion of unionism, for both Scotland and Ulster, whilst Celtic is more the home of republicanism and independence for Scotland.

There's a perception amongst socialists that they are 'the goodies' in that they think they are both right and morally superior, whilst conservatives just tend to think that they're right, although the hard right can just descend into outright bigotry and hatred.

Incidentally, if you ever go to Hamburg try to make it to a St. Pauli game. It has the most distinctive fanbase of anywhere I've ever been - fiercely egalitarian socio-anarchism, or something roughly like it.
Report shudacuda April 27, 2012 12:42 PM BST
I have lost track.

Any body know when the 7th and final deadline is now?

Duff and Phelps are a joke.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 27, 2012 1:13 PM BST
There's a perception amongst socialists that they are 'the goodies' in that they think they are both right and morally superior, whilst conservatives just tend to think that they're right, although the hard right can just descend into outright bigotry and hatred.

Yeh, but what do working (often poverty) class conservatives think they are?
Report mactheknife April 27, 2012 8:10 PM BST
Yeh, but what do working (often poverty) class conservatives think they are?

.................

The Green Brigade???
Report skullery April 27, 2012 10:30 PM BST
Work with a few Celtic fans , and they tell me Hearts fans are by far  worst in scotland , never met any myself
Report Kal84 April 27, 2012 10:55 PM BST
All set for 2moro. I am hearing there are going to be thousands of fellow bears at Hampden which is good to hear.
Report dashero April 27, 2012 10:58 PM BST
Will they be rioting a la Manchester 2008???
Report Graeme83 April 27, 2012 11:00 PM BST
It's no a protest. The huns just want to see Hampden one last time.
Report shudacuda April 27, 2012 11:02 PM BST
The wee pakistani shop outside Hampden has taken in extra cases of Buckfast.

Oh and his 3 cousins for extra security.

They know what you lot are like when it comes to paying.
Report Kal84 April 27, 2012 11:26 PM BST
Graeme you are a bitter individual.

No riots this time. to be a peaceful protest.

THe manchester riots were caused by a minority of gers fans. It was mostly down to the English casuals.

HTH
Report mightymoyes April 28, 2012 12:14 AM BST
kal you're delusional.

HTH
Report Kal84 April 28, 2012 12:20 AM BST
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kal you're delusional.

HTH




I was in Manchester. I know exactly what happened and why

I trust this clarifies matters
Report MTanoraksallaroundme April 28, 2012 5:17 AM BST
when do BF put up next shelic manager?

usefulnes has expired and shirly now is a good time to jettison?

the absentee landlord must be due a visit with p45 soon no?

new monkey ,new trick, maybe even play football now?

pep?  hosy?  arry? hiddink? Laugh
Report Feck N. Eejit April 28, 2012 9:32 AM BST
mac, if the green brigade are tories that would put you and Brother Alias somewhere to the very far right of Hitler.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 28, 2012 9:34 AM BST
when do BF put up next shelic manager?

I'd guess 2021 when he decides 10-in-a-row is enough.
Report mactheknife April 28, 2012 9:47 AM BST
Feck give it a rest m8.
You know there is good and bad on both sides.
Report Antifa1981 April 28, 2012 12:27 PM BST
"Incidentally, if you ever go to Hamburg try to make it to a St. Pauli game. It has the most distinctive fanbase of anywhere I've ever been - fiercely egalitarian socio-anarchism, or something roughly like it"

I've been to a couple of St Pauli games during the annual St Pauli/Celtic party held in St Pauli every February. The next time they have a rangers/St Pauli party I might go to that Wink
Report skullery April 28, 2012 4:59 PM BST
wasting your time with Feck,  he is one bitter twisted individual ,
Report mactheknife April 28, 2012 5:06 PM BST
Feck speaks his mind.
Report Francis Benali April 28, 2012 5:25 PM BST
apparently the rangers fans are boycotting all the sfa's sponsors, one of whom are tescos. they have reported a 0.003% drop in business. on the plus side shoplifting is down 80%
Report skullery April 28, 2012 6:04 PM BST
Im not buying that Mack , his reference to Rangers and jews hitler and  KKK Huns orange B*** is not speaking his mind he is using this forum as a platform to spout his biggoted Hatred nonsence
Report mactheknife April 28, 2012 6:21 PM BST
I understand Skull but you have to remember that Feck has suffered in the past.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 28, 2012 6:24 PM BST
I hope your buying Rangers skullery. It would serve ye right.
Report BriantheGoat April 28, 2012 6:48 PM BST
Sandy Jardine threatening to withdraw from the SFA hall of fame if they don't overturn the punishments given to rangers.

A nation holds it's breath........Scared
Report Feck N. Eejit April 28, 2012 7:25 PM BST
ROFPML
Report MadVlad April 28, 2012 7:36 PM BST
^ buy a mop feck,urine will smell if you leave it.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 28, 2012 7:39 PM BST
Stop talking p1sh Vlad.
Report MadVlad April 28, 2012 7:46 PM BST
staines the lino you've been warned feck Laugh
Report iamajambo April 29, 2012 12:08 PM BST
At the beginning of this season I paid £5 to watch a Huns vs JTs match on Huns TV,broadcast live, as was the match on Sky,in the expectation that the picture quality would be better than watching a free stream(which it was).The Huns haven't repeated this procedure,maybe for contractual reasons but that's bye the way.Anyway,I bookmarked the Huns page through which I paid my fiver.Despite repeated attempts I have been unable to delete this page from my bookmarks list.Don't have any problems with removing other sites.Is this an omen that the Huns will never be deleted?I hope notDevil.

Meanwhile,now that they have my email address I get sent offers.The latest was to buy the replica home kit for the 2012-2013 season.Dream on boys.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report shudacuda April 29, 2012 1:51 PM BST
JAMBO

Do them a favour and buy a season ticket.

Stenhousemuir play some good football.
Report Kal84 April 29, 2012 2:21 PM BST
a great turnout yesterday. Massive thanks to everyone that attended.


#WE ARE THE PEOPLE
Report shudacuda April 29, 2012 2:26 PM BST
kal you had only enough to fill Brechins ground
Report Kal84 April 29, 2012 2:37 PM BST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey5oe3iCiag
Report tambhoy5 April 29, 2012 3:07 PM BST
rankers players must have been on the march as well,they looked a bit tired today.LaughLaughLaugh
Report skullery April 29, 2012 5:27 PM BST
dundee unt v hearts crwd 7001
dufermeline v Aberdeen  3501
kilm v inverness 3848
motherwell v stjohnstone 4743 ( playing for champions league spot )

Rangers march to SFA 8000
AND SOME SAY THEY DONT NEED rANGERS
Report Feck N. Eejit April 29, 2012 6:34 PM BST
How many Rangers fans go to the average away game? Let's say it's 5,000. That would mean that a team with an average 5,000 home gate would lose around 10% of their gate income (that's assuming they play them twice at home - i.e. the other team finishes in the top 6 or gets the break of two home to one away pre-split). Hardly doomsday stuff. If a miscarriage of justice occurs and Rangers are allowed to stay in the SPL, they'll probably be so far behind after a few months of the season they'll be lucky to have a travelling support of 5,000. I'm more worried about Sandy Jardine handing back his SFA hall of fame award. Will Scottish football be able to survive that?
Report Feck N. Eejit April 29, 2012 6:42 PM BST
Just seen this on a thread discussing the "7,000" turnout yesterday on a Celtic forum.

Just in from Reuters - Over 40,000 Celtic fans gathered on Glasgow Green today in an impromptu gathering where they were addressed by Mr. Craig Whyte. After a 25 minute standing ovation Mr. Whyte thanked the Celtic faithful and promised he was doing everything in his power to bring matters to a fitting conclusion. He thanked the crowd estimated at over 60,000 for their support and patience - Mr. Whyte said: "It's not been easy for me but I am working night and day to ensure a satisfactory outcome for myself and my bank account." The euphoric gathering - a crowd of over 100,000 -then broke into a spontaneous medley of Irish folk songs. In an amusing aside Mr. Whyte asked the crowd - now more than a million strong - if they had any old football shares (any club wlecome!) worth flogging. Never in Glasgow's long history has Glasgow Green seen anything like it.   Mr. Whyte left for Monaco by private helicopter.

LaughLaughLaugh
Report Pollensa April 29, 2012 7:24 PM BST
Kal 84.....Your reference to Manchester regarding 'English Casuals' was an excuse spouted foth at the time but it was subsequently proven to be absolute nonsense.  Graeme Spiers pointed out that all of those Rangers 'fans' charged were indeed residents of Scotland.  The argument that it was a minority of Rangers fans could be a most valid one but to say these fans were English casuals is simply a lie.
Report Shrewd_dude April 29, 2012 7:28 PM BST
Skull what about the other 30 teams in the other 3 divisions? How are they able to survive at all with out 'ra Peepul' visiting twice a season?
Report skullery April 29, 2012 8:02 PM BST
feck 5000 fans euals £100000 possibly £200000 per year , these SPL clubs run at a loss every 2nd week and its visits from Rangers and celtic that keep them running financially .

shud i think you will find all these clubs are PART TIME
Report skullery April 29, 2012 8:05 PM BST
SORRY SHOULD HAVE SAID SHREWD
Report Shrewd_dude April 29, 2012 8:41 PM BST
So? They don't need Rangers.

5,000 fans? That's a pre season friendly to teams like Aberdeen, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Hibs.
Report shudacuda April 29, 2012 8:54 PM BST
Why are Celtic and Rangers never shown live on SKY at their home grounds,except when they are playing each other?

Whenever the 2 cheeks are playing away then they are on Sky,reducing the home crowd by at least a few thousand.

If Dundee take Rangers place then 4  Dundee derbies with capacity crowds,also big crowds for visit of Aberdeen and St Johnstone.

Plus many fans already boycott the visits of the 2 cheeks  because of the bile coming out of the away support and fed up seeing their team get humped by them.

Both of the cheeks get about 3 times the next highest from the TV money.

Take the above and the fact their will be extra European money up for grabs there will not be a loss of income.

The league might actually get fairer.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 29, 2012 9:02 PM BST
I think they are only allowed to show a maximum of 4 games from any one ground (Rangers v Dun Utd is on TV during the week).
Report skullery April 29, 2012 9:02 PM BST
no you are wrong Shrewd , for instance if dundee unt host a game they need about 6000 supporters to break even , so they could hold 10 friendlies and not make much money unless they get the crowds , so its only when Celtic and Rangers visit they get crowds of 120000 they make money
Report skullery April 29, 2012 9:02 PM BST
sorry 12000 crowds
Report Feck N. Eejit April 29, 2012 9:06 PM BST
WALOFS skullery. Are you trying to say that if a football team could attract 6,000 paying customers to a daily game they'd only break even?
Report Geesyerdosh April 29, 2012 9:17 PM BST
THEY CAN PROTEST ALL THEY LIKE ITS SIMPLE THEY ARE GOING TO BE LIQUIDATED

MCCOIST ADMITTED AS MUCH IN HIS INTERVIEW TODAY

THE 2 BIDS ARE IN CLOUD CUCKOO LAND AND AS FOR PAUL MURRAY AND HIS 'BLUE KNIGHTS' Laugh THEY ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING RANGERS FOR VIRTUALLY FUCCK ALL
Report skullery April 29, 2012 9:20 PM BST
A DAILY game ? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

some football teams would make a profit with 6000 some wouldnt , im struggling to work out your argument Feck
Report Shrewd_dude April 29, 2012 9:36 PM BST
So how do the other 3 divisions manage it? Your having a giraffe to say they only make money above 6000 fans.
Report skullery April 29, 2012 9:41 PM BST
FFS i was giving 6000 as a example of DUNDEE UNT  every club has its own profit and loss based on what supporters they expect , can  you fecking read stupid
Report Feck N. Eejit April 29, 2012 9:44 PM BST
skullery, if you had claimed that a team needs an average of 6,000 a game to break even over a season I wouldn't have argued but you then went on to say that if they managed to organise an additional 10 pre-season friendlies and attracted 6,000 to each of them then they'd only break even on them. Why? Are the players all being paid per game as opposed to seasonal contracts?
Report Feck N. Eejit April 29, 2012 9:46 PM BST
Your implication was that even if the attracted 6,000 and played every day the 6,000 would only cover the cost of holding the game.
Report Shrewd_dude April 29, 2012 9:49 PM BST
So their is no evidence that they need Rangers? Rangers gone, expect less fans and alter finances so an extra pre season friendly makes up for it. Bingo!
Report skullery April 29, 2012 10:14 PM BST
obviously they are not going to play friendlies every day , but i think you get my point Feck..

seriously Shrewd read what i posted again .. HOUSE
Report Shrewd_dude April 29, 2012 10:20 PM BST
Ok I have. All the SPL fans do not 'need' 5,000-6,000 extra fans over a 12 month period. They may have to re-estimate their financial expectation slightly but that is about it.
Report Geesyerdosh April 29, 2012 10:33 PM BST
I'M SURE THE OTHER CLUBS WOULD HAPPILY REDUCE SQUAD SIZES AND WAGE BILLS IF THEY WERE ASSURED OF THE DEMISE OF RANGERS AND ALL THEIR HISTORY DYING WITH THEM.

THEY CAN THEN COME BACK AS A NEWCO AND CAN MAYBE RAISE FUNDS BY SELLING NAMING RIGHTS.

I'LL GIVE A FIVER FOR 'GLASGOW STRANGERS'
Report skullery April 29, 2012 10:46 PM BST
Thats better shrewd , and thats my point with Rangers gone most SPL CLUBS would have to down grade pay less wages to staff and players and as you say it re-estimate their financial position ,either way with Rangers gone it effects them financially .

And for what its worth if Rangers  are liquidated they should be relegated ..simples
Report Shrewd_dude April 29, 2012 11:44 PM BST
I would agree then Skullery. Clearly it would have an affect on the teams financially even if it is only a negligible amount in the perspective of a whole season but they don't 'need' Rangers like you said.

It will have an affect, varying from the equivalent to Hearts or Hibs of only having 3 derbies as opposed to four due to the split or more for some of the teams who only get the lesser attendances. Their cloth will be cut accordingly and it won't be armageddon.
Report Feck N. Eejit April 30, 2012 10:49 AM BST
obviously they are not going to play friendlies every day , but i think you get my point Feck..

Your point is wrong.
Report Flasharry April 30, 2012 4:28 PM BST
Canna see how a SPL can be worse off if they dinna get paid for tickets they hand over to der Hun!
Report liamcol April 30, 2012 5:05 PM BST
skullery
29 Apr 12 22:46 Joined: 27 Sep 08 | Topic/replies: 218 | Blogger: skullery's blog
Thats better shrewd , and thats my point with Rangers gone most SPL CLUBS would have to down grade pay less wages to staff and players and as you say it re-estimate their financial position ,either way with Rangers gone it effects them financially .

And for what its worth if Rangers  are liquidated they should be relegated ..simples

Eh, I don't think you understand what liquidation means?
When, (not if) rangers are liquidated, they cease to be, they don't "get relegated", because they do not exist.
A new club, rangers 2012 or govan fc, etc. may be started and may apply to join the 3rd division, and they may be accepted.
They may even be allowed to play at ibrox, as long as they pay the owner, Craig Whyte.
There is no, and has never been, any chance of a cva, these blue "knights who say naw", and Bill Miller folk know this fine well, they are looking to pick over the carcass of a liquidation.
oh and p.s. can someone explain how Paul Murray can lead any newco?
He is effectively banned as he has been a director of a club (rangers fc, ia)who, in the last 5 years has suffered an insolvency event, yep the same as Craig Whyte, when is someone going to tell him this?
Report liamcol April 30, 2012 5:10 PM BST
Oh, forgot to add.

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