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You may have noticed that the Community tab in the header of Betfair.com has changed. We want to explain why this has been done, and also to invite your views and comments: therefore, this thread is not locked and you will be able to leave your feedback. All customer posts will be read and considered.

This change is a trial which we have implemented ahead of the upcoming Cheltenham Festival as it allows us to use the tab to promote other key content on Betfair.com.

The Community and the forums within it are still a very valuable part of Betfair.com: there is a link to the Community in the Top Features area of the homepage, and links are still in place on the sports, football and horse racing home pages.

In the coming months, we will be making changes and improvements which will mean forum content will be easier to find, as well as relevant to the pages and markets it is on.
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Report Crisp77 March 10, 2012 8:13 AM GMT
One more tab. Is that you Brian Harvey?
Report buzzer March 10, 2012 8:43 AM GMT
I don't think anyone cares anymore do they? Betfair have destroyed their forum and now don't want anyone wasting time on here when they could be playing 'SUPER SLOTS' and the like!
Report scara_manga March 10, 2012 8:43 AM GMT
The community is a very important part of betfair. The link to it should be on the first page and obvious. If it is not obvious ( which it isn't now ) you will lose new forum memebers and many current members will forget about it. Replacing it with slots is starting on the slippery slope of not catering for the requirements of your current customers.
Report Latalomne March 10, 2012 9:05 AM GMT
Let's be honest, the slippery slope started several years ago now.... 

It's just another sign of the times.  As somebody else has said above, the bottom line is all that matters these days. 

The justification given to those of us that pay PC is that it costs Betfair money to bring the new money to the markets, which to an extent is fair enough, but moves like this just re-emphasise the fact that BF would much rather the new money is lost to them (again, understandably so) rather than the exchange users who are being asked to pay directly for this newly generated cash arriving 'in the pool'. 

How long before the exchange gets done away with altogether....?  It seems it's becoming too much of a bug to bear.... 

Oh for the Betfair of a few years ago....
Report ShaneESP March 10, 2012 9:41 AM GMT
this >> I don't think anyone cares anymore do they?
Report The Magic Flea March 10, 2012 10:23 AM GMT
Hello Shane€€€€SP
Report ShaneESP March 10, 2012 10:43 AM GMT
Morning Mr Flea
Report kn79 March 10, 2012 10:45 AM GMT
who the fccuk cares about super slots??!??!!!! are u fckn mad betfair???? this site should be all about SPORTS not fckn stupid games for idiots...!!! BETFAIR YOU SHOULD GIVE US 5 SEC DELAY IN-PLAY IN EVERY FOOTBALL GAME INSTEAD OF THIS CRAAAAP, DO SOMETHING FOR TRADERS NOT ONLY FOR RTARDED GAMBLERS!
Report Mike Bassett England Manager March 10, 2012 11:04 AM GMT
This site gets more confused all the time. Most people only come here for football anyway but it gets harder all the time to find your way around. And to think that Betfair will actually listen to its customers as fancfiful too.
Report The Magic Flea March 10, 2012 11:05 AM GMT
Ice King 09 Mar 12 22:22 
Classic

Interestingly I was talking to helpdesk the other night about the beta release and they tried to convince me that they had had many people praising the beta version. I told them that the forum didn't seem to follow that optimistic portrayal. They told me that the forum was full of negative people in general. Honestly, they did.

I actually asked if they did any research with customers first, again they responded with yes plenty.  I would bet no-one from this forum was contacted about their views on a new beta version.


Laugh
Report Mariner Paul March 10, 2012 11:09 AM GMT
Can we have two separate sites please? One for just sports and the other for those stupid arcade games that hardly anybody cares about. Most people use this site for sports betting. However, they have found it almost unusable at times due to it being slowed down by the quick games.

Just strip the site down to it's basic and I'm sure you'll get more users. It's not rocket science!
Report STEPTOES YARD March 10, 2012 11:19 AM GMT
Not sure this is such a big deal, they clearly want to promote new product and although dont agree with all this games,arcade nonsense it a good earner for them and that debate about direction they are heading is an old one now.

Forum still can be reached easy enough
Report dimebar8 March 10, 2012 11:40 AM GMT
"They told me that the forum was full of negative people in general."

haha it's true though, there's only a few positive people in them... most are so bitter and sour that they keep losing money it's eaten any good they had in them.  You know who the big losers are on here by the amount they curse others usually with the word mug
Report kn79 March 10, 2012 12:01 PM GMT
WHAT DO YOU THINK BETFAIR? DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!
Report STEPTOES YARD March 10, 2012 12:06 PM GMT
so now people have to go through 3 pages worth to check rest of feedback
Report kn79 March 10, 2012 12:14 PM GMT
betfair have to know what traders really need!!!
Report The Magic Flea March 10, 2012 12:15 PM GMT
kn, if they had a 5 second delay in the spanish football you might as well have the market unmanaged
Report ;[p March 10, 2012 12:20 PM GMT
ave,it

anyone else having problems with this already, as mine dosn't load full window , and dosn't have the classic option



mine dosn't load full window as well,half of the screen is wasted as it appears only in the middle



its ridiculous if u change something and its much worst to operate. if u dont care about this forum just live it alone
Report kn79 March 10, 2012 12:20 PM GMT
magic dont tell me what i need because i lost yesterday all the money i had earned because of fckn 8 sec delay in-play!!!! i was short of 1 sec closing my position before a fckn goal!!! so u better keep ur ideas for urself if ur not a TRADER
Report The Magic Flea March 10, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
all I can say is that a 5 second delay is not feasible with spanish football, and I rather there is a longer delay than someone with faster pictures hoovering up all the money.
Report ;[p March 10, 2012 12:28 PM GMT
kn79

u r sad idiot if u think this is the way to settle any issue.

also who would risk all the money at one time
Report kn79 March 10, 2012 12:28 PM GMT
i say ur talking bullshit magic because u just bet!!! and for bettors delay in-play doesnt matter at all but not for me, ur passive (even if u green out always taking swings) and im active with my money, thats the difference between us!!! (dont ask me what i mean exactly because i want to keep it secret)
Report Mike Bassett England Manager March 10, 2012 12:30 PM GMT
I am now having to buy a 23in screen to view Betfair and its forums correctly. Another expense.
Report ;[p March 10, 2012 12:33 PM GMT
i will hang pictures of my relatives on the screen . plenty of space now on the side
Report Biscuit1979 March 10, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
It's no real hardship because i have the forum saved to the favourites in my toolbar so i just click there for it anyway however............all i will say it's now a lot harder for newcomers to the site to find it now it's tucked away down there on the 2nd row.
Report tommycockles March 10, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
Go to the homepage (betfair.com) half way down on the right hand side is 'top features' below that 'betfair community' click on that and the forum should open in a full window as before
Report The Magic Flea March 10, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
kn what is so difficult to understand that the delay is due to the delay in tv coverage. it is there to protect the user from people with quicker access to what is actually happening. Betfair do not have staff in stadiums and regulate the delay according to the delay of coverage of their source.
Report ;[p March 10, 2012 12:42 PM GMT
ok thnx tommy

u saved my eyesight
Report tommycockles March 10, 2012 12:43 PM GMT
no probs
Report time-to-tip March 10, 2012 1:01 PM GMT
rubbish really, why not just add another tab for promo and keep community where it was?
Report gawdalmighty March 10, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
@ Betfair Customer Services.

For me, I have to say I prefer the original layout of the 'Community' tab. Sometimes I just like to read what's news/relevant/where & what the liquidity is going on, before actually logging in and going into the bet pages. However, its only a small thing, the new tab not being readily available on the main page wouldn't prevent me checking out the community forums.
Report avi315 March 10, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
In mozilla this tabs are covered by login area anyway. It doesn't matter is it community or something else, still mostly covered :)
Report SrgtDouche March 10, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
havent read the entire thread here but surely super slots has to go and community ought to come back. OR find some space else where on the starting page. What is wrong with betfair? Taking the piss as usual? Super slots it seems lol
Report SrgtDouche March 10, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
when will super slots go?
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? March 10, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
I dont know why Sports, Football and Horse Racing are not all in the Sports Tab, nor why Casino, Live Casino, Poker, Exchange Games, Arcade and Super Slots are not in the Casino tab. There seems to be no point in having a tab which drops down to reveal another tab otherwise.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? March 10, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
As other people have said, simplify.
Report ;[p March 10, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
super sloths
Report ;[p March 10, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
will hang there forever
Report Pandorica March 10, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
Annoying adverts everywhere.
Invitations to throw money down the chute via casino, exchange games, arcade and erm "Super Slots" - whatever the frick they are can have their tabs. But "community" get a tiny link.
No you're right Betfair. You're operating with your customers in mind and in the true spirit that saw your organisation created and supported in the first place.
Report mach March 10, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
not a great move imo. 
when i open the forum now it won't open full screen and the page fails to respond sometimes.
where has the pop up forum gone?

fail fail failSadSadSad
Report Rodn March 10, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
Make it customisable? I personally never use Casino, Live Casino or Arcade, so I'd be happy to drop them and use the freed up space for the community tab.
Report Mike Bassett England Manager March 10, 2012 8:13 PM GMT

Mar 10, 2012 -- 8:06PM, Rodn wrote:


Make it customisable? I personally never use Casino, Live Casino or Arcade, so I'd be happy to drop them and use the freed up space for the community tab.


This would be the sensible option without a doubt but it aint gonna happen

Report moisok March 11, 2012 1:12 PM GMT
fkn stuff keeps popping up
beta every time - get rid of it
cant stand it
it is being forced on us
dont want it
Report cruso March 11, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
Out of 10 tabs, 6 are now devoted to `games`
Report maggot March 11, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
I concur with everything that's already been written. Get rid of all of those super slot garbage tabs, and please stop trying to force feed us on Beta, which is positively ghastly. Thanks.
Report mesmerised March 11, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
Why is Tennis not one the 10 tabs ? 6 games tabs are too much
Report razz March 11, 2012 6:33 PM GMT
i have never clicked on the casino/games tabs in 2 years of being here, put the community tab back where it was, why change it anyway? the different game tabs could easily be compressed into 1 or 2 tabs at the most, also a tennis tab would be nice.
Report R0ykeane March 11, 2012 6:41 PM GMT
Report Hamsterdam March 11, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
Is this a fishing thread?

Asking forum members asking if changing the Forum link to one for Super Slots is a good idea? What do you expect us to say?

Another nail in the coffin for this site which has gone rapidly downhill in recent years.
Report Oh no!! not another Villa fan March 11, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
Dissapointed that you are trying to entice your loyal users with this slots rubbish Sad
Report Oh no!! not another Villa fan March 11, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
Agreed that Beta is simply awful as is the new community, people dont use it, swithch it back to the classic for everyone, some football matches used to have over 1000  posts,now your lucky if you get 200 posts a match.
Report pumphol. March 12, 2012 10:56 AM GMT
I wonder what they will take off next  when " SUPA DUPA LOTS " come in Cry
Report MDWat March 12, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
There are too many tabs, and the new tab which has gone in place of community, is particularly ridiculous.
Report FIGJAM March 12, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
Yet another retrograde step, I wouldn't mind too much if the page opened instantaneously, but half the time opens in a quarter page.
Report pizzaro March 13, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
i thought betfair was a site where folks bet against each other,it seems betfair have made an arcade out of it, very poor show,rapidly   rapidly downhill
Report TALKSPORT March 13, 2012 7:39 AM GMT
Find it a rubbish site to use now,click here for classic,click here for beta, click here for new, click here
for ....bla bla bla... page wont load, markets wont load just leaves market hanging for an eternity.

Open a different site "BetfairArcade.com" and leave the exchange to operate seperatly.

Nobody i come across uses slot machines on here anyway..well thats what they say.
Report 6troytown March 13, 2012 7:43 AM GMT
please dont keep changing things am i the only one who does not read the experts dixon etc
Report Bishy March 13, 2012 10:12 AM GMT
Beta is bolloxs and so is the new community.
Report moisok March 13, 2012 11:03 AM GMT
why do they keep changing things - waste of time - I don't use anything - I just come on to bet on the football - the forums are clogged up with silly pretty pictures and they are forcing beta on to me everytime i log in plus adverts and garbage which I ignore
Report pureGenius March 13, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
I cannot understand why BF keep changing things 'for improvements'  says who?  Surely a poll BEFORE such changes will tell you if it is both wanted and/or needed.
As far as i have seen for the past 12 months or even longer you continually 'make improvements' which imo only slows the god damn site down!! 
It'll speed things up, yea sure, it takes forever to find where the hell things have moved to, and clicking one link tkaes you totally away from where you wanted to be

Multi's are so slow the bloody game has ended b4 you can get them on!!

IF YOU TRULY WANT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ASK FOR FEEDBACK FIRST!!

ie.. 
why no inplay multi's
why are the odds always so low compared to other Bookies sites
why are half the games missing and further markets within those games.
BASICALLY WHY CANT YOU GET A DECENT SPONSOR FOR MULTI'S!!  That actually offer some value and have markets there to back!!

There's your feedback, what chances you actually acting on it, or is it a case of "We're looking into that"  the usual BF response  :( :( :(
Report Pandorica March 13, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
Betfair Customer Services

In the coming months, we will be making changes and improvements ...

Do you detect a lack of confidence in your ability so to do, BCS?
Report big balls March 14, 2012 8:48 PM GMT
hate the new beta site ........
Report FrankLloyd March 15, 2012 7:39 AM GMT
Not against change: Forum Live is great. I'd be interested to know the small percentage of people still using the old forum.

However, exchange Beta is DREADFUL. Hardly anyone has a good word to say about it. And, PureGenius, they DID ask for feedback on Beta before they put it out there for everyone, and guess what, they were told it was rubbish and they still put it out there with no amendments.
Report johnny98345 March 15, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
i switched to "english asia" for the community tab
it ist just wrong to replace it with some stupid slots tab
it should be no problem to add a new tab without remmoving another
or at least add some icon/tab while in "in-play" view

and btw, i LOVE the new beta site and design. good work
Report Biscuit1979 March 15, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
Been almost a week now since the OP and slots has almost a 100% negative response. Betfair not exactly listening to the forum are they?!
Report FrankLloyd March 15, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
Mmm, what's new?
Report ShirleyKnot March 16, 2012 7:18 PM GMT

Mar 15, 2012 -- 5:53PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:


Been almost a week now since the OP and slots has almost a 100% negative response. Betfair not exactly listening to the forum are they?!


I understood that they have a bot for threads like this which are programmed for key words that indicate intelligent comment. 






Perhaps it has not been triggered yet.

Report smithy91 March 17, 2012 10:32 AM GMT
have i been banned from the forum?
Report 6troytown March 17, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
why change a great system who     decides to do this i wrote to bbc about their web page change they said nothing stays the same
Report moisok March 17, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
sick of this beta thing popping up
forcing us to look at it
which i have and hate
why not give the option the other way
Report 666_v March 18, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
I would comment but I can't find the community tab - with it being easier to find now that it is hidden.

Basic internet rules dictate that people want to click less to reach their chosen destination.

A path near where I used to live was pretty and had nice curves to it.  A straight line from the start to the finish next to the path (gong onto it at points within the line) was just soil as this is the path people would use - ignoring the pretty path in favour of the fastest path.
Report letmesee March 19, 2012 12:55 PM GMT
instead of asking questions here you need to give people a chance to trade their bets out!! yet again robbed off you again today because of site problems! for gods sake get them sorted or close the stupid site down!
Report letmesee March 19, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
also can i ask, you give the option of opting out of the beat page. and wont be asked again about it. how comes when i opt out of it, its back within 2 hours! i mean i have opted out now about 900 times. this is very poor service..
Report viva el presidente! March 20, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
personally, I don't want to see any of the arcade/casino/slots cr@p at all.

I would like the option of just seeing the sports betting site without having to see/wait for any of the addict-fodder that clutters up the site.
Report flatliner March 20, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
ffs footie....flash...services. footie...flash...services. footie flash....sevices....ffs
Report flatliner March 20, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
Not joking, this must have happened fifty times in the last hour...ffs.
Report dimebar8 March 20, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
would be good if you could create your own custom tabs instead... so you could stick your fave sports markets along the tabs.

they also said they were "testing" it just before the cheltenham festival so i was under the impression the cheltenham festival was going to take the tab over but it never did. I think, wel, i know they are using it to see if the profits increase with the tab there for the stupid slots.

i only came on to ask how long this thrad will be stuck locked in the forum section when going into the in-play pages of matches because it's rather annoying especially when they notify multiple games having no feed you don't see any of the normal users threads in that section.
Report bob_terwilliger March 20, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
i dont like it. often have to google "betfair community" just to get here. annoying
Report ShirleyKnot March 21, 2012 10:52 AM GMT
You would suppose that betfair would learn that they have different types of punters and the pure exchange players are bound to dislike the arcade stuff.  Separate it and subcontract it to Branson would be a sensible option, or at the very least rebrand it.
Report donny osmond March 21, 2012 12:13 PM GMT
its easy enough to bookmark stuff so you can go straight to it

the betfair brand has a nice ring to it for a casino operation but i
hope it doesnt end up poisoning the main site
Report henok March 21, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
good that u included many important links on the inplay page as well
Report Barney Rock March 21, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
Don't like it, change it back.
Report Ice King March 21, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
Betfair you really are persistent c@nts aren't you. I opt out of beta and choose classic and like a horny jack russell (the breed of dog not the cricketer) you insist on trying to continue to sh@g my leg. Now the "try beta classic" link comes up on my pages. I have tried it and don't want it.
Report bob_terwilliger March 21, 2012 7:48 PM GMT
wow that is strong words to the powers that be Ice King Shocked
Report ShirleyKnot March 21, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
blowier gilbert
gilbert blowier
gobble twirlier
legible ribwort
regilt wobblier
ribwort legible
twirlier gobble
wobblier regilt
Report TALKSPORT March 22, 2012 8:03 AM GMT
Still poor...just rewind a couple of years we'll be ok then.
Report Winner_Winner_Chicken_Diner March 23, 2012 9:26 AM GMT
I think betfair should go back to what it was meant to be and what it was good at. It is losing touch with its customers

ps, once you opt out of beta, why do you keep getting the chance to change? I will not be forced Plain
Report leea10011 March 23, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
i hide my available balance,soon as i open another screen my balance is back up there...
Report Percysugden March 24, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
No sign of Mallorca-Barcelona on the main football page. It's the same every day now. I just can't believe how they have neglected this now the beta c.rap has arrived. Total disregard for customer feedback, and obviously just going ahead with this, even though it is rubbish.
Report Percysugden March 24, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
Talk to yourself, the Southampton match is still up there. Can't you find anyone to keep it updated, even on minimum wage?
Report RamonSanchezPizjuan March 25, 2012 10:58 AM BST
" A broken clock is right two times a day". Any chance ye can fix the clock or will we have to wait till winter time again. The small things. Last year ye never moved it. Just a little feedback.
Report RamonSanchezPizjuan March 25, 2012 11:00 AM BST
Winner Winner Chicken Diner Joined: 27 Feb 10
Replies: 10182 23 Mar 12 10:26 
I think betfair should go back to what it was meant to be and what it was good at. It is losing touch with its customers

ps, once you opt out of beta, why do you keep getting the chance to change? I will not be forced Plain


PMSL. They just won't take no for an answer. Opt out, er yes please, same again the next day. A joke.
Report Pandorica March 25, 2012 3:16 PM BST
Betfair Customer Services
You may have noticed that the Community tab in the header of Betfair.com has changed. We want to explain why this has been done, and also to invite your views and comments

What's the reason for asking if you're going to do feck all about the responses?
Report comingupthehill March 25, 2012 6:47 PM BST
pand - welcome to democracy
Report Percysugden March 25, 2012 11:06 PM BST
Have to say, the main footy page on classic has been more active today, and is now full of live South American games. This is much better, thanks.
Report Percysugden March 26, 2012 7:14 PM BST
...and again tonight. This is more like it.
Report Tommy Toes March 27, 2012 3:02 AM BST
Gents, don't let this thread slide of the forum - as Betfair would wish it to do - if you want your comments to be taken some kind of notice of.

Betfair have to one day face up to the discontent of their customers the last couple of years and not just think they can ignore people and it will all be 'fine, just fine'.

Betfair: face up to it.
Report GTFI March 28, 2012 11:40 AM BST
3 weeks later and still no1 from BF has listened to us.  Didnt they ask for our feedback and thoughts?

I love how they say "....it allows us to promote key content...."  key to who exactly, certainly not us footy backers who have slots, arcades etc rammed down out throat on every live footy betting page,   funny really, where the sports adds on the arcade games pages...  i dont see man utd v chelsea etc advertised on the "deal or no deal" pages....   

Easy really... NO DEAL!!!   Give us back what we love and want...SPORT!!
Report Escobar. July 3, 2012 7:43 AM BST
any update on this?
Report NobbyClarke July 3, 2012 3:08 PM BST
Why not employ someone who knows what they're doing to design the Home page?
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