MANCHESTER UNITED ARE IN DECLINE

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given a footballing lesson at Old Trafford by a mid table Spanish side

10 months ago they thought they could beat Barca and become kings of Europe, now they can't even beat Bilbao at home!!

i actually predicted they would win nothing after the charity shield, when they were all crowing about their comeback

Wouldn't the 20th worst goal keeper make him the best?

Benfica, Basel, Ajax and Bilbao.

At old Trafford, played 4 won 0. Embarrassing.

30 points behind madrid in la liga

beat united 3-2

embarrassing

Yes it's terminal. I know because Betfair forumites said so.


(About 4 titles ago)

pandorica making a stand- bully for you my man!

AVB had more idea than Fergie the old g1t is ready for a box .

In serious decline in European terms.

But fine in premiership terms when the rest of the cowboy league is in just as much of a downward spiral.

Yeah...recently spanking Spurs and beating Arsenal and Liverpool in the league, where we are chasing our neighbours. Anyone care to think that we're not Liverpool and we don't care about this Egg and Bacon Cup? Would rather keep the pressure on City and get humiliated in the next leg than sacrifice the title race for this joke of a non-major trophy.

we don't care about this Egg and Bacon Cup? Would rather keep the pressure on City and get humiliated in the next leg than sacrifice the title race for this joke of a non-major trophy.

keep pretending

pippa, you ****, you single handedly fly the flag for the rags and why you are hated so much. congratulations!

Of course you didn't care about it, Fergie didn't care either, that's why he played Rooney your best player!!

Serious decline in European terms - sighs.

It's a gaming site ffs! Do the expressions "long term", "variance" and "expectation" mean nothing to you.
Two Champions League finals in three years and then after half a dozen games it's "decline". There should be a law of self protection stopping you from betting.

Dominated the Premiership since it's inception, that's true and fair enough, but time after time, he's been found out in Europe, 2 late goals v Bayern Munich and a john terry slip, doesn't define a great manager, great managers dominate Europe.

I think SAF does care. I fckin don't. We should have been playing the stiffs throughout this competititon.

Mesmerised - that's ridiculous. I can point to 10 similar "slips" by United players in semi and quarter final matches over the last 20 years. That's the nature of cup football.

pandorica- where have you been all my life? top man!

Hahaha back to the old Fergie doesn't know what he's doing thing.

You can't deny what he's done as a manager. Anyone who does doesn't even deserve reply.

Of course we're in decline. Next year's Champions League where we will make the knockout phase, second in the league (at the least) and 3 CL finals in 5 years. Yeah we're awful. LOL.

Hahaha back to the old Fergie doesn't know what he's doing thing.

You can't deny what he's done as a manager. Anyone who does doesn't even deserve reply.

Of course we're in decline. Next year's Champions League where we will make the knockout phase, second in the league (at the least) and 3 CL finals in 5 years. Yeah we're awful. LOL.

feck off pippa, you are a nonce pal. leave people like pandorica to fight your corner, you stick to your 2 quid accas

the nature of cup football? in cup football in Europe you plau everyone twice bar the final, so you have two chances to put things right every....single....step...of....the....way.

He's just not the manager united fans make him out to be.

cant keep going to the well and back. Ferguson should go at the end of the season imo

What the fck are you talking about?
Over two legs against the same team, one error can still cost you the tie.

"Not the manager..." blah blah.
Yes - he'hopeless. I wish you were in charge.

Are you for REAL?

Are you seriously saying that Manchester United have been unlucky every time they've been knocked out of Europe or at least many many times?

2x wins in 26 years - and 2 lucky wins is a poor returns no two ways about it.

2x more than Arsenal

Get back in your little Wolves box aaron

we're a work in progress, we're almost peaking in time for the Wembley final 2013

a fantastic night for proper british football supporters

pipunch 08 Mar 12 22:33 
Next year's Champions League where we will make the knockout phase




Having played 4 half decent teams in Europe this season, beaten only 1 of them and failed to beat any of them at home, what possible reason is there to suggest you will make next years knockout phase?

This will be the annual ManU in decline thread then

Don't get your hopes up mesmerised, you just know they'll go and win the league now.

south coast man u fan switches to barca shock

high lander there is no way this City squad could be over turned by the current United Squad, i'd never post again if they won the league, not that I'm anti united in any way but there era is over.

last one out, turn off the lights please.

I don't care if United or City win the league, but I know how foolish it is to write of Fergie, he just keeps on coming up with the goods. It's silly to base United's season tonight's match, there's been a huge overreaction and I wouldn't even put it past United to go to Spain and qualify.

I don't care either, but the point is  he's failed in Europe where it really matters, i'm off to bed.

ffs guys, its lights out time on MUFC now, ok?!

How bothered are UTD or more importantly 'sir Alex' about this comp?
Odds on the return leg will be better than a UTD expected victory first leg.
I don't care either way, I backed AZ Alkmaar who beat Udinase, now are they bothered either?
Man City win this 'bart tryin'

mesmerised
Are you for REAL?

Are you seriously saying that Manchester United have been unlucky every time they've been knocked out of Europe or at least many many times?

Yes. Many times. I don't really like calling it luck. That's for idiot punters, mentioning no names. It's variance.
Quick list:
Perfectly good goal disallowed against Porto
Easily the better team against Bayern and coasting through at 3-0.
Woodwork twice against Dortmund and a deflected goal against.
Unbeaten apart from a dead rubber in 98.

And as you say - lucky moments in the 2 they won.

It's called conditional probability (Bayes Theorum) - on a betting site, you should read up on it.

Thanks for your advice.

Back to reality, you've been knocked out of 15 champions league tournaments under fergie, don't blame all that on bad luck.

Listen I support Arsenal, - we've been knocked out of 14 in a row - the final was hard to take, having the keeper sent off after 10 minutes, with the ref later admitten that was a mistake - than having to haul of Pires, conceding two late offside goals in the lat 11 minutes when 1 nil up, sods law - but we've had 14 attempts and failed 14 times.

The point is - fergie is simply not the great manager you make him out to be - he's never dominated Europe in any way.

He's won 4 european trophies.... thats pretty good going in my book.

one thing id criticise him for is after finally winning the big one in 99, it took utd 10 years to get back to the final. Amazing really

at this juncture, it looks like Sir Bob's 3 european cups as manager is one record that will elude him

Knocked out of TWO European competitions in 3 months by so called lesser clubs, outplayed tonight again

Kings of England, Paupers of Europe.

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A case of overpaid charlatans being outplayed by real "teams" premiership clubs are now starting to show the same woeful performances as England in World Cups ect. People who pay to watch the dross they call the Premiership and support those 100k a week wages are watching division 2 level teams.

We gave football to the world and they taught us how to play it(except Arsenal)

More money to be made winning the Premiership. Simple case of economics.

SAF in match interviews has been full of praise for Bilbao's determination/fitness/playing style.

Bilbao will play Barcelona in the Spanish cup final. Should be a cracker. Hope they win as they deserve it.

If any 'big' team is in decline then look at Liverpool and their army of has-been glory hunters...

... I'll give Liverpool one thing... year on year they are consistently sh!te... and that's a NAP ...

... there's plenty of Betfair markets where people can profit from Liverpool's decline too... one has only to look.

Manure stunk of sh1t tonight .

One of these days it will be true, United will go into decline and it will probably be the day Fergie retires. And that day cant be too far off.

He'll retire when he's been at OT 30 years, 2016

Money is a problem for Man U, but they seem good enough to win the Prem, so they can't have fallen that far.  The Spanish league does now seem a notch up in terms of quality, although the Prem's still pretty good compared to other leagues - ultimately there was very little between Arsenal and Chelski and their Italian opponents.

In any case, the OP honestly believes Arsenal would have won the Prem if they'd had one or two more players back from injury, which rather casts doubt over his brain...

My brain has enabled me to pay for many a holiday via betfair hth.

What a childish thread, then I saw who are the main
participants, mesmerised and pipunch. That explained
everything.

mesmerised Joined: 10 Nov 10
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My brain has enabled me to pay for many a holiday via betfair hth.

LOL.

Oh dear, what retired bookmakers get up to in their spare time eh?

a team that is in decline is about to win their 20th title

mesmerised, do you play bingo or perhaps bet on virtual racing ?
I would imagine you do.

Try harder.

top with arguably the 'worst' team in years above the best city have had for years

Unlucky son

Shame about Arsenal missing that pen too

bad day all around for you

I'll somehow manage to get on with life, it'll be hard, it'll be a long road back, but your concern will pull me through.

@m3smerised

PMSL, 2-0 Manchester United in decline #fergieout

haha mugmerised tweets it too

Abu's creaming their pants early yet again, when will they learn

@m3smerised
Betting extraordinaire - I am to the Betfair forum what Messi is to football - add your own superlative.

mesmerised is a bit of a donkey....id say he is MT's assistant.

He's not fit to be Tree's assistant, more like his tea boy

Stevrll, the thickest poster since torres 9, and that takes some beating.

Nov 10, 2012 -- 8:03PM, Steveirll wrote:

mesmerised is a bit of a donkey....id say he is MT's assistant.

Bruce Willis 10 Nov 12 20:02 Joined: 27 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 6,028 | Blogger: Bruce Willis's blog
@m3smerised
Betting extraordinaire - I am to the Betfair forum what Messi is to football - add your own superlative.

I think he meant "Mr Messy" from the mister men but that is only because the writer thought "Mr Sillee****" was inappropriate for a kids show

Mr Silleeeekk**** that was

wow

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is banned

Silleeefhucker then

Are you on drugs son ?

Apparently the latest set of figures show the Glaziers are raping the club and its mug fans ,tick tock ,and all because Fergie was greedy over a free horse .

Football


BONANZA ... Man Utd owner Glazer
Glazers in Utd cash shock
By DAVID FACEY
Published: 19 hrs ago
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A SHOCK report shows the mind-boggling extent the Glazer family have profiteered as owners of Manchester United.
Documents disclosed by US financial watchdog SEC show owner Malcolm Glazer kept more than half of the £140million generated by their shares issue in the States.
They also revealed how Glazer repaid £10m he borrowed from the club by taking the same amount from the Red Devils’ coffers as a “dividend payment”.
No fewer than six other members of the Glazer family have strong financial links with United and, between them, they were paid more than £16m in “consultancy fees” over two years.
Those revelations were contained in correspondence between United and the SEC — and published by Bloomberg.
The SEC felt the club were pulling the wool over their eyes by not making full disclosures.
They took exception to a claim in United’s shares proposal to would-be investors that the club’s broadcasting and match revenue were “growing consistently”.
SEC officials discovered they would have lost money had it not been for the £80m sale of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid and a one-off tax credit.
One SEC report declared: “United would have lost money in two of the last three years but for the sale of a player.”
The revelations sparked an outcry among fans, led by Duncan Drasdo, who heads the Manchester United Supporters Trust.
He said: “The Glazer names are still toxic among hardcore fans.”
Manchester-born Michael Burawoy, now a sociology professor at the University of California, believes the figures the Glazers were forced to disclose shows how precarious the club’s position is.
He said: “They’ve turned United into a debt machine. When their on-field success ends, it’ll be an economic disaster.”
Club director of communications Phil Townsend said: “As with every SEC filer, we went through several rounds of comments. Our interaction with them was positive. We look forward to many years as a US public company.”
Latest figures show the club are still just under £360m in the red.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4644926/Glazer-kept-abov...

interesting read.

Feck the Glazer's, the sooner we get these parasites out of our club the better. We have known about that article and a lot worse for years but how can we force them out? The hardcore are more than happy to boycott home matches, many already do. Most hardcore fans won't buy anything that brings a profit to the Yanks. But there are thousands who are only too happy to continue and I am not talking about tourists.

These are proper fans and they rightly say they cannot bear the thought of United struggling on or off the field. Until they "toe the line" the Glazer's won't care.

Personally I would put up with us being a mid division club for a few years if it meant we could regain control of the club. All the FC lads would come back and in the long run we would be even stronger. It will happen, just a case of time.