GLEN JOHNSON ON THE SUAREZ/EVRA DEBACLE

Read this last night, got the manc forums in a right seeth this has, they don't like it being told as it is, it seems...

Glenn Johnson clearly a closet racist.

like I have said before it was never proven in a court of law
unlike the terry case which will be heard

I suspect all posts to this thread will have to start with "like I have said before..."

Should have been asked if Suarez calls him "negro" a lot - as apparently this is normal behaviour for Suarez towards his black friends.

I agree with what Johnson says over the handshake issue, i think Evra was pretty shrewd there and his hand was almost by his side.

But as for this part:

‘I can’t understand how people don’t get that in his culture the word “negro” or “negrito” is genuinely normal. Just because he’s out of his country he is not going to stop using his mother tongue. If we went to another country, we would use our slang, wouldn’t we? I can’t see why somebody can get in trouble for using his culture in another country.

Ok it means something different in his native tongue, but if he didn't mean it as an insult then why the f*ck was he continually saying it. Pretty sure Suarez knew it's not exactly a term of endearment in Europe.

Okay, two points without raking over old ground.

1.  He says "there is no way he said that" then later says it is 'genuinely normal' to use words such as 'negro'.  If its normal, why does he need to vehemently deny Suarez 'said it'?

2.  Johnson infers that he would not be offended by such a word. That's up to him. But Evra was.  So it is irrelevant whether Johnson would or wouldn't be happy to be called a certain name by an adversary in the middle of an argument.

Not all this again

Only thing to add is that bet liverpool arent happy with johnson for this

i think the key points are as follows:

1) Suarez - a)top bloke b) "100% not racist"
2) Evra - wolf in sheeps clothing
3) Johnson - solid dude, great team-mate

Well said Glen
Most players in Europe even a few at utd know what evra is like   More unpopular than Suarez will ever be
One utd star said last season that some team mates thought evra arrogant and aloof

shocking scenes indeed

to use a legal term, case closed

‘I can’t understand how people don’t get that in his culture the word “negro” or “negrito” is genuinely normal. Just because he’s out of his country he is not going to stop using his mother tongue. If we went to another country, we would use our slang, wouldn’t we? I can’t see why somebody can get in trouble for using his culture in another country.

lmao what a thicko Glen Johnson is

My dad was born in 1930. He grew up in an England which was almost entirely white. His vocabulary was shaped long before the western world was politically correct. To him there are only two types of black/coloured people - C**ns and P**is.

But even he knows you can not go around using words like that in 2012.

The people of Liverpool FC need to stop trying to mitigate what Suarez did and said. It ill becomes a club of their standing

What "standing" is that then? They are reviled throughout the civilised world.

they really are all deluded up there

Leading player gets banned for large part of season on nothing more than say-so of player from fiercest rivals....i wonder why this has proved contentious?

fiercest rivals????? now that is funny

Fergie himself says it

he also says he was doing 110mph because he needed the lavatory...............

The people of Liverpool FC need to stop trying to mitigate what Suarez did and said.

Well said, the problem wasn't the handshake it was the racism that preceded it, Liverpool fans shouldn't forget that.

Why has the photo been cropped??

Suarez was extending his hand to De Gea having ignored Evra.

Can you Liverpool "fans" not see the damage you are doing to "proper" Liverpool fans who can only cringe at your desperate measures to protect a player who will ultimately turn his back on you.


Glen "brains" Johnson states that "Evra must have spent all night thinking about how to do it".

Does he not know that it should have been United players going down the line shaking hands with Liverpool but the referee changed it round for some reason.

Evra would not have known that and would have been expecting to extend his hand to Suarez instead of the other way around. That would have made Suarez look even more childish if possible.

it's not that much of an issue if 2 grown men don't shake hands. the faux outrage after it by most of the media and some fans should be looked back with a great deal of embarrassment. that being said if glen johnson wan't to be talk about it then fair enough.  He shouldn't be derided as stupid for having an alternative view on what happened.  That being said it might be a bit foolish to suggest evra spent hours devising this dastardly plan!

Great to see Liverpool continue to 'put this behind them' and 'move on' by bringing it up over and over and over and over

They'll still be bringing it up when suarez has signed for another team and they have burnt his shirt


I guess when Suarez issued a statement apologising for not shaking hands
He was lying ?
Thats what Glenn Johnson is saying anyway

Surprise Surprise! Liverpool fans won't let something go...

an end had to be brought to the matter Pootle

in this case, GJ was asked for his thoughts and he gave them honestly. Not as if he rang up the journo and said, here get this down and stick it in your paper tomorrow

the article wasnt solely about the handshake, it focused on johnson's background, earlier career and LFC season to-date

Evra is a c*nt, end of....

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Surprise Surprise! Liverpool fans won't let something go...

oh the irony, made my day that has. if any of you pathetic mancs had brains........

‘The evidence was Luis’s word against Evra’s,’ argued Johnson. ‘I’m not saying Evra is lying but it’s his word against Luis’s, isn’t it? So how did it all turn out to be so strong in Evra’s favour?

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threatened with ban being doubled if appealed

johnson should have just said it's all behind us now and moved on to the next question.
btw if suarez hadn't been banned do you think liverpool would have scored more goals than van persie by now?

he did say that, but wanted his views to be known at the same time

it's a strange case...i dont think Liverpool/Dalglish engaged brain over the t-shirts and that was poor...however, most neutrals i've spoken to base their judgement on the fact that they dislike Suarez in general (something i can understand, as before it happened i said i didnt like cheering on someone who was diving/play-acting all the while)....hardly anyone seems to think he is a racist and that he intentionally said something outright racist....of course, because racism is involved, you are not allowed to put forward a defence, so i better shut up.

In a way I can understand Johnson's eagerness to have his say, as he was being labeled an Uncle Tom in some quarters...

paul mcgrath backed Ron Atkinson over his controversial comments, yet has it in for Suarez, hmmm....

Where's Dessie, he kept asking about GJ thoughts, there you go Dessie.

to be honest most people I know don't think he's a racist but do think he intentionally said something racist. The ban therefore was appropriate and the behaviour by club and manager since has been reprehensible

The t shirts gave the green light for the liverpool fans to think its okay to call an oldham player racist names and give out monkey guestures at Evra

Do you think it would be okay if glen johnson's future son to be called that in a five a side game.

Mar 8, 2012 -- 2:42PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:

The t shirts gave the green light for the liverpool fans to think its okay to call an oldham player racist names and give out monkey guestures at Evra

Really ? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion.

to cob316

cos they would'nt have done that if Liverpool fc would have publically condem the player and stated they do not tolerate any forms of racism

possibly

Suarez is clearly not a racist.

I have it on good authority that he uses the word Negro in the same playful way that John Terry calls his coloured friends 'Black B@stards'.

"coloured friends"

ladies and gentleman, we have a winner!

Mar 8, 2012 -- 2:46PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:

to cob316cos they would'nt have done that if Liverpool fc would have publically condem the player and stated they do not tolerate any forms of racism

If people are so dumb that they will be influenced by other things such as t-shirts and start acting racistly then what can you do, there was no hope for them in the first place.

Would be interesting to hear how Johnson felt about being called "negrito" by Suarez - which must have happened frequently as Johnson is a mate and Suarez had no idea it might be offensive.

being called it may be fine if it is colloquial. the difference is, suarez and evra weren't friends, it was said in the context of an argument and when suarez found out evra found it offensive he kept repeating it

liverpool - being a laughing stock of all football fans in the world now
Outraged at everything, ashamed of nothing..
let bygones be bygones okay? It is boring topic now, EVERYONE WANT TO END IT, but just you scousers dont want to let it go.. GET A LIFE

Funny in all their time together how Johnson never seems to have told Suarez that "negrito" was not an appropriate word to use in this country. Maybe Suarez was not very friendly with Johnson and reserves such endearments for special friends like Patrice Evra?

intersting to note this story (from the mail is that really a paper?) is now bigger than last nights football

which included a messi fiver and a fa cup tie involving the bookies favourite for the future england manager

if it was a misunderstanding as liverpool have continue to claim then fine lets move on lessons learnt

but why keep on bringing it up luis suarez is not a martyr
at best he's a very talented player who earns a fortune and is more than partial to the odd dive..hardly t-shirt martyr material
if you believe some on this site this is the worst case of injustice since the brimingham six
lets get The Aka on the case forget the t-shirts move over Nelson we have someone who has really struggled

freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee luis suarrrrezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

JUSTICE FOR SUAREZ

"The evidence was Luis's word against Evra's. I'm not saying Evra is lying but it's his word against Luis's, isn't it? So how did it all turn out to be so strong in Evra's favour? I work with the lad every day. There is no way he said that."

Is this bloke a bit thick or something?

Evra = sly tw*t
Marcel = rude c*nt for calling Glen an Uncle Tom, I would burn him for that - is it acceptable for a white person to call/imply a black person is a slave to whites? No, so it's not ok for Marcel either.
A_T do you know what Evra claimed Suarez was saying?  If you read the report you will see Evra got a bit carried away with his accusations.

Oh and in response to earlier comments, Suarez HAD to apologise for not shaking Evra's hand. It wasn't his choice to say sorry and there was no way he could appeal as FA would not change their ruling.

It's obvious was Suarez was up to that day - somehow it's Evra's fault for not enjoying being called "negrito". Incredible...

He actually said that Suarez racially abused him about 10 times so no, it's not just negrito but ok.
1 question - are you a manchester united fan?
You can already see from some posts on here that most think JT is already guilty...nuff said.

Funny how I am allowed to type negrito and it's not starred out seeing as it's a racist term....

i think we are all agreed, it gets worse the more you see it, good for Suarez and LFC for putting this matter to bed, and shame on the disgraceful MU "fans" that are merely looking to spoil a perfectly reasonable thread.

Just wait until the Liverpool fans start analysing the Zapruder footage frame by frame

No allegiance to either of these teams but I read this article and thought how much Glenn Johnson is the type of man to address racism. A reasoned and thoughtful article with put downs for the fools looking to cry racism at every turn,he is the type of guy to improve race relations far more than many of the media hacks. We have just as big a proportion of racist black people as we have racist white people and we shouldnt rush to take sides based on colour. Glenn,you have gone up in my estimation an order of magnitude.

Johnson should ask Paul mcGrath his thoughts on Hernandez calling evra "Negrito", every day in training,prior to the incident.But McGrath and many others knew this was the case anyway.

this is just ridiculous now, i think its safe to say that not one forumite would go out of his way to chase Mr Evras hand gvien the circumstances , what a truly despicable individual,and more fool LS for getting sucked into his mind games.

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threatened with ban being doubled if appealed


Evidence of this please.....and even so I thought your club´s principles where worth more than a players ban....Im suprised you lot didn´t take this allway up to The Court of Arbitration of Sport.

But no, the LFC board got cold feet cos they saw all the bad PR that was costing millions in sponsorship withdrawls.


MONEY TALKS.

abu1967


Suarez apologised for not shaking Evra´s hand.....An admittance of guilt in mine and the whole legal worlds eyes.

who cares
fair play to the toilet seat theif.

i think if one black man wants to criticise another its racist not to allow it.

The worst point about all this was that once a black man cried racist it was only another black man who seems to have the moral authority or right to question that accusation and disagree. That is racism and it is about time more of our politicians stopped hiding and spoke up for the community at large instead of automatically siding with an accuser and launching a witch hunt more akin to the witchfinder general era.