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06 Mar 12
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Am i the only one thinking that this bloke has absolutely NO CHANCE of being the next Chelsea manager?
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining, he pursued Gareth Barry which pissed off Alonso and led to his departure. He then didn't sign Barry and instead spent almost 20m on Aquilani!! Shrewd! In his last year there they were 7th.
His time at Inter was a complete joke and he was dismissed after 6 months. I've seen him quoted as saying he has recent pedigree because he won the World club cup. Is he serious?! Mourinho got them into it by winning the CL. They then had to beat a team from Korea and a team from Congo to win it, hardly an achievement really!
Let's face it, if you have to go to the press to tout yourself for the job then you're not getting it. If you're good enough, Abramovich and his men will come calling for you, not the other way round.
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining, he pursued Gareth Barry which pissed off Alonso and led to his departure. He then didn't sign Barry and instead spent almost 20m on Aquilani!! Shrewd! In his last year there they were 7th.
His time at Inter was a complete joke and he was dismissed after 6 months. I've seen him quoted as saying he has recent pedigree because he won the World club cup. Is he serious?! Mourinho got them into it by winning the CL. They then had to beat a team from Korea and a team from Congo to win it, hardly an achievement really!
Let's face it, if you have to go to the press to tout yourself for the job then you're not getting it. If you're good enough, Abramovich and his men will come calling for you, not the other way round.
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Can't see him going to Chelsea myself. If they wanted him he'd be on the motorway up to Brum today. It's plausible if Guardiola and Mourinho turn it down, but I think they'd go for Capello or one of the Germans first.
Absolutely no chance of a Brit getting it which I think is a shame.
Thought Benitez's record at Liverpool stands up though. Obvious mistake with Alonso, but every manager makes clangers in the transfer market.
Absolutely no chance of a Brit getting it which I think is a shame.
Thought Benitez's record at Liverpool stands up though. Obvious mistake with Alonso, but every manager makes clangers in the transfer market.
They then had to beat a team from Korea and a team from Congo to win it, hardly an achievement really!
A little bit like the Carling Cup
A little bit like the Carling Cup
to be fair to benitez,anyone who managed to win the champions league with an average team must be the best manager of all time.
lets see...Benitez ?
won the champions league with Houlliers players then dismantled a successfull team and turned them into a mid-table mediocre club.
i think that sums up the reign of Benitez for me.
won the champions league with Houlliers players then dismantled a successfull team and turned them into a mid-table mediocre club.
i think that sums up the reign of Benitez for me.
Biscuit1979
06 Mar 12 09:45 Joined: 16 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 22,960 | Blogger: Biscuit1979's blog
Am i the only one thinking that this bloke has absolutely NO CHANCE of being the next Chelsea manager?
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining, he pursued Gareth Barry which pissed off Alonso and led to his departure. He then didn't sign Barry and instead spent almost 20m on Aquilani!! Shrewd! In his last year there they were 7th.
His time at Inter was a complete joke and he was dismissed after 6 months. I've seen him quoted as saying he has recent pedigree because he won the World club cup. Is he serious?! Mourinho got them into it by winning the CL. They then had to beat a team from Korea and a team from Congo to win it, hardly an achievement really!
Let's face it, if you have to go to the press to tout yourself for the job then you're not getting it. If you're good enough, Abramovich and his men will come calling for you, not the other way round.
Either one of best clueless posts ever or an fishing experiment!
:-)
06 Mar 12 09:45 Joined: 16 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 22,960 | Blogger: Biscuit1979's blog
Am i the only one thinking that this bloke has absolutely NO CHANCE of being the next Chelsea manager?
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining, he pursued Gareth Barry which pissed off Alonso and led to his departure. He then didn't sign Barry and instead spent almost 20m on Aquilani!! Shrewd! In his last year there they were 7th.
His time at Inter was a complete joke and he was dismissed after 6 months. I've seen him quoted as saying he has recent pedigree because he won the World club cup. Is he serious?! Mourinho got them into it by winning the CL. They then had to beat a team from Korea and a team from Congo to win it, hardly an achievement really!
Let's face it, if you have to go to the press to tout yourself for the job then you're not getting it. If you're good enough, Abramovich and his men will come calling for you, not the other way round.
Either one of best clueless posts ever or an fishing experiment!
:-)
Won the Champions league with a squad of rejects. Made in to the final 2 years later. Pushed United all the way in the league in his second last season. He has won leagues in Spain as well. Any man would have struggled with Inter after Jose
When it's transfer record is broken down it's not as bad as you make out. Reina, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Garcia, Agger were top buys & some resold for massive profits. In his last year he had to buy bargain basement players such as Ngog & The Greek for a million quid when they needed to strenghten.
Chelsea would be lucky to get a manager of his quality
When it's transfer record is broken down it's not as bad as you make out. Reina, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Garcia, Agger were top buys & some resold for massive profits. In his last year he had to buy bargain basement players such as Ngog & The Greek for a million quid when they needed to strenghten.
Chelsea would be lucky to get a manager of his quality
If I were Rafa and if offered I would say thanks but no thanks.
and also it's debatable whether this Chelsea team is better than what Houllier left him. Individually maybe but as a team?? Hmmmmm
and also it's debatable whether this Chelsea team is better than what Houllier left him. Individually maybe but as a team?? Hmmmmm
"Either one of best clueless posts ever or an fishing experiment!"
Come on then lets hear it. Which part of my post was clueless? Absolutely everything in my post was correct. HTH.
Come on then lets hear it. Which part of my post was clueless? Absolutely everything in my post was correct. HTH.
Fergie destroyed Rafa's tiny mind
"I was surprised by what has been said, but maybe they are nervous because we are at the top of the table.
"But I want to talk about facts. I want to be clear, I do not want to play mind games too early, although they seem to want to start. But I have seen some facts. On 1 November, they played Hull and Mr Ferguson had a two-match touchline ban and a £10,000 fine after confronting Mike Dean, the referee, for improper conduct.
"We started the Respect campaign, and that was when Mascherano was sent off [last season] at Old Trafford. The referee was the referee when they played against Wigan – he could not see the handball against Wigan by Rio Ferdinand, he did not give a penalty. They won the game and they won the title in this game. I think it will be the same referee who will be in charge of their game in hand this season [against Wigan].
"During the Respect campaign – and this is a fact – Mr Ferguson was charged by the FA for improper conduct after comments made about Martin Atkinson and Keith Hackett. He was not punished. He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things.
"Then he was talking about the fixtures. Two years ago we were playing a lot of early kick-offs away on Saturdays when United were playing on Sundays. And we didn't say anything. Now he is complaining about everything, that everybody is against United. But the second half of the season will see them playing at home against all the teams at the top of the table. It is a fantastic advantage.
"But at Christmas, United played on the 29th and the rest of the teams played on the 28th. We were away against Newcastle two days after playing Bolton. They were playing about 40 hours later, they were not complaining then.
"And about his behaviour with referees. The Southampton manager he knows how Mr Ferguson works and how he works, he was very clear. I am not playing mind games, just facts.
"If he wants to talk about fixtures, and have a level playing field as you say in England. There are two options if we don't want more problems with fixtures. One is the same as in Spain, the draw for the first part of the league is known, everyone knows which weekend. In the second half everyone plays the opposite, so you all know. Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.
"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple.
"We know what happens every time we go to Old Trafford and the United staff. They are always going man to man with the referees, especially at half-time when they walk close to the referees and they are talking and talking.
"All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees and nothing happens.
"We need to know that I am talking about facts, not my impression. There are things that everyone can see every single week.
"Are they under pressure? Maybe they were not thinking that we would be at the top of the table in January. But we are at the top of the table and they are nervous.
"I am not telling the authorities what to do. But I have been here for five years and know how things are going on. I will be watching United's game with Chelsea. The result does not matter to us, if we win at Stoke that result does not matter.
"I was surprised United wanted to start the mind games too early, maybe it is because we are top of the table. But I only wanted to explain our position.
"It is a massive difference to play early on a Saturday, say, after a European match in midweek. But they will play the second half of the season with home matches against the other top teams, and that is a massive advantage to them.
"They cannot complain about the fixtures after they were playing on 29 December while the rest played on the 28th.
"I have decided that I had a lot of information and I have been watching every single week what has been going on. Then they started talking about us, but every single week we know they will be talking. But we want to stay at the top and maybe they will talk about us right to the end.
"To hear someone talking when he has problems with referees every single week, and now complaining about the fixtures and complaining about everything, I think that is not fair.
"You can see every single week how they put [referees] under pressure, we know this. We have seen it before. We have seen players sent off at Old Trafford and we do not see our opponents sent off. It is part of the game. But to complain and to always have an advantage is not fair.
"We had a meeting in Manchester with managers and FA about the Respect campaign. And I was very clear, forget the campaign because Mr Ferguson was killing the referees, killing Mr Atkinson, killing Mr Hackett. But he is not punished. How can you talk about the respect campaign and criticise the referee every single week? You can analyse the facts and come to your own decision and ideas."
"I was surprised by what has been said, but maybe they are nervous because we are at the top of the table.
"But I want to talk about facts. I want to be clear, I do not want to play mind games too early, although they seem to want to start. But I have seen some facts. On 1 November, they played Hull and Mr Ferguson had a two-match touchline ban and a £10,000 fine after confronting Mike Dean, the referee, for improper conduct.
"We started the Respect campaign, and that was when Mascherano was sent off [last season] at Old Trafford. The referee was the referee when they played against Wigan – he could not see the handball against Wigan by Rio Ferdinand, he did not give a penalty. They won the game and they won the title in this game. I think it will be the same referee who will be in charge of their game in hand this season [against Wigan].
"During the Respect campaign – and this is a fact – Mr Ferguson was charged by the FA for improper conduct after comments made about Martin Atkinson and Keith Hackett. He was not punished. He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things.
"Then he was talking about the fixtures. Two years ago we were playing a lot of early kick-offs away on Saturdays when United were playing on Sundays. And we didn't say anything. Now he is complaining about everything, that everybody is against United. But the second half of the season will see them playing at home against all the teams at the top of the table. It is a fantastic advantage.
"But at Christmas, United played on the 29th and the rest of the teams played on the 28th. We were away against Newcastle two days after playing Bolton. They were playing about 40 hours later, they were not complaining then.
"And about his behaviour with referees. The Southampton manager he knows how Mr Ferguson works and how he works, he was very clear. I am not playing mind games, just facts.
"If he wants to talk about fixtures, and have a level playing field as you say in England. There are two options if we don't want more problems with fixtures. One is the same as in Spain, the draw for the first part of the league is known, everyone knows which weekend. In the second half everyone plays the opposite, so you all know. Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.
"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple.
"We know what happens every time we go to Old Trafford and the United staff. They are always going man to man with the referees, especially at half-time when they walk close to the referees and they are talking and talking.
"All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees and nothing happens.
"We need to know that I am talking about facts, not my impression. There are things that everyone can see every single week.
"Are they under pressure? Maybe they were not thinking that we would be at the top of the table in January. But we are at the top of the table and they are nervous.
"I am not telling the authorities what to do. But I have been here for five years and know how things are going on. I will be watching United's game with Chelsea. The result does not matter to us, if we win at Stoke that result does not matter.
"I was surprised United wanted to start the mind games too early, maybe it is because we are top of the table. But I only wanted to explain our position.
"It is a massive difference to play early on a Saturday, say, after a European match in midweek. But they will play the second half of the season with home matches against the other top teams, and that is a massive advantage to them.
"They cannot complain about the fixtures after they were playing on 29 December while the rest played on the 28th.
"I have decided that I had a lot of information and I have been watching every single week what has been going on. Then they started talking about us, but every single week we know they will be talking. But we want to stay at the top and maybe they will talk about us right to the end.
"To hear someone talking when he has problems with referees every single week, and now complaining about the fixtures and complaining about everything, I think that is not fair.
"You can see every single week how they put [referees] under pressure, we know this. We have seen it before. We have seen players sent off at Old Trafford and we do not see our opponents sent off. It is part of the game. But to complain and to always have an advantage is not fair.
"We had a meeting in Manchester with managers and FA about the Respect campaign. And I was very clear, forget the campaign because Mr Ferguson was killing the referees, killing Mr Atkinson, killing Mr Hackett. But he is not punished. How can you talk about the respect campaign and criticise the referee every single week? You can analyse the facts and come to your own decision and ideas."
@Biscuit...we can all write FACTs on here as long they choose to ignore between the lines!
That's how a lot newspapers make their money with their headlines to attract readers\buyers.
That's how a lot newspapers make their money with their headlines to attract readers\buyers.
Won the CL with Houllier's team
Won nothing with the team he built.
Should've won the league in 2008/09 but lost the plot and ranted about Fergie.
And for every decent signing that GALLZ mentioned there are 2 bad ones. Nunez, Josemi, Morientes, Mark Gonzalez, Kromkamp, Babel, Pennant, buying Keane then getting rid after about 6 months, Itandje, Degen, Aquilani, Dossena, Pellegrino, Voronin, N'gog.
Anyone i've missed out?!
Won nothing with the team he built.
Should've won the league in 2008/09 but lost the plot and ranted about Fergie.
And for every decent signing that GALLZ mentioned there are 2 bad ones. Nunez, Josemi, Morientes, Mark Gonzalez, Kromkamp, Babel, Pennant, buying Keane then getting rid after about 6 months, Itandje, Degen, Aquilani, Dossena, Pellegrino, Voronin, N'gog.
Anyone i've missed out?!
TENDY 06 Mar 12 12:14
@Biscuit...we can all write FACTs on here as long they choose to ignore between the lines!
So let me get this right, i wrote down some points which you accept are the FACTS, yet you called my post clueless. Glad we got that one sorted then!
I suppose you think winning the World club cup against 2 teams from Korea and Congo also ranks as an achievement?!
He's done nothing since 2006.
@Biscuit...we can all write FACTs on here as long they choose to ignore between the lines!
So let me get this right, i wrote down some points which you accept are the FACTS, yet you called my post clueless. Glad we got that one sorted then!
I suppose you think winning the World club cup against 2 teams from Korea and Congo also ranks as an achievement?!
He's done nothing since 2006.
Mar 6, 2012 -- 12:10PM, IVILLWIN wrote:
Gallz, are you Rafa's son?
2 sides to every story pal. United fans hate Rafa coz he stood up Fergie & everyone forget's what he actually achieved. Chelsea fan's hate him coz he send Jose packing out of Europe twice at the semi-final stage.
Biscuit you could right a list like that about every top manager. Players that never worked out. In his last couple of years he had to balance the books after finishing 2nd
biscuit, he did sign his fair share of dross and u can criticise him for other things too but since 2006
he led Liverpool to their best season in the League for many a year
he also got them back to the CL final in Athens
was close to reaching another final soon after but lost to Chelsea. Battered Real Madrid that season too if memory serves
he led Liverpool to their best season in the League for many a year
he also got them back to the CL final in Athens
was close to reaching another final soon after but lost to Chelsea. Battered Real Madrid that season too if memory serves
Insua, Sissoko, Barragnan, Kyrgiakos, Johnson, Riera and Cavalieri.
Awful, awful signings.
Awful, awful signings.
beat Barcelona in '07 who were the reigning champs so y'know, bit of respect please 
Real were rubbish at the time.
He left you with an abject squad of failures.
Just because Kenny's continued to make it worse doesn't mean he did a good job.
He left you with an abject squad of failures.
Just because Kenny's continued to make it worse doesn't mean he did a good job.
In your list above why is it you have not mentioned that he bought(his OWN very first signing) and sold Alonso for a net profit of £20Million??
Or is it you would rather not "print"/post anything positive about Rafa.
His record against the strong blue force of Chelski & Jose was very good in Europe(league - bad). I would like to see what prices Chelsea were in those big games...especially at home.
I know/think we were outsiders vs. Juventus, Leverkusen & Milan.
Or is it you would rather not "print"/post anything positive about Rafa.
His record against the strong blue force of Chelski & Jose was very good in Europe(league - bad). I would like to see what prices Chelsea were in those big games...especially at home.
I know/think we were outsiders vs. Juventus, Leverkusen & Milan.
IVillVin
meantime you're in love with a manager who forgot how to win trophies years ago
meantime you're in love with a manager who forgot how to win trophies years ago
But he's won trophies, right? Plenty of them too.
When you lot win the league, let me know.
I'll most likely be dead before that happens.
When you lot win the league, let me know.
I'll most likely be dead before that happens.
IVILLWIN
06 Mar 12 12:25 Joined: 19 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 300 | Blogger: IVILLWIN's blog
Insua, Sissoko, Barragnan, Kyrgiakos, Johnson, Riera and Cavalieri.
Awful, awful signings.
for the record...IMVHO...Sissoko was brilliant at times for us.
as for Riera he too was vital and key in that title chase(his balance on the left) but then he started disrespecting the boss like Lampard when not in the team!! and tried to play like he was a star when not injured and shooting from 60 yards!
So ADIOS to him.
06 Mar 12 12:25 Joined: 19 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 300 | Blogger: IVILLWIN's blog
Insua, Sissoko, Barragnan, Kyrgiakos, Johnson, Riera and Cavalieri.
Awful, awful signings.
for the record...IMVHO...Sissoko was brilliant at times for us.
as for Riera he too was vital and key in that title chase(his balance on the left) but then he started disrespecting the boss like Lampard when not in the team!! and tried to play like he was a star when not injured and shooting from 60 yards!
So ADIOS to him.
TENDY 06 Mar 12 12:27
In your list above why is it you have not mentioned that he bought(his OWN very first signing) and sold Alonso for a net profit of £20Million??
Because he shouldn't have sold him at all and it was because of him pursuing Barry that Alonso got the hump and left. Why was such a great manager looking to sell one of the worlds best midfielders?
In your list above why is it you have not mentioned that he bought(his OWN very first signing) and sold Alonso for a net profit of £20Million??
Because he shouldn't have sold him at all and it was because of him pursuing Barry that Alonso got the hump and left. Why was such a great manager looking to sell one of the worlds best midfielders?
There’s some debate about who first used the 4-2-3-1 formation that became so popular across Europe in the 2000s. It probably started its development in the mid-90s, and some would point to Manchester United of 1994 as a forerunner, and perhaps Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal side and Real Madrid under John Toshack have claims to this award as well.
But the difficulty in describing these shapes as 4-2-3-1s comes from the fact that they were all effectively converted 4-4-2s, with holding midfielders, advanced wingers and a forward who liked to drop off into space. They were formations that became 4-2-3-1 when play developed, whereas Rafael Benitez’s side genuinely lined up with four bands, and a clear ‘three’ behind a lone frontman.
The key difference was in the player immediately behind the forward – whereas the aforementioned sides used Eric Cantona, Dennis Bergkamp and Raul respectively, Benitez used Pablo Aimar, a slender, enigmatic ‘next Maradona’ who was without question an attacking midfielder rather than a deep-lying forward. And therefore, there were five midfielders.
The 2001/02 was, frankly, as boring a side as won a domestic league title in the whole decade. A return of just 51 goals scored in 38 games is a laughable total for a Championship-winning team (no other top 5 team scored less than 64) – but Valencia were incredibly well-organised, and masters of the 1-0 win. The key was the fact that Valencia effectively played three central midfielders at a time when the rest of Spain was only fielding two. They rarely lost possession, and when they did, they were quick to get nine men behind the ball. Goals were in short supply from around the team, but Mista (a player Benitez had brought through the Real Madrid youth team) had an excellent season, and always deserved more recognition than he received.
Ruben Baraja and David Albelda were arguably the best midfield partnership of the decade – both intelligent passers and both positionally excellent in front of the back four – Baraja was probably the one who had more license to go forward and possessed a decent shot, but generally they left the attacking to the front four.
The side changed very little in terms of personnel for their second league title in 2003/04, a season when they also won the UEFA Cup. They did, however, demonstrate that the 4-2-3-1 was not merely a defensive shape, and credit must go to Benitez for the attacking shift - they conceded the same number of goals as they did in 01/02 (27) but managed to score twenty more goals, only one fewer than the league’s top scorers, Real Madrid. Mista became even better and Vicente added the goalscoring ability that was so clearly lacking when he first joined the club, and Valencia were without question the best side in Spain. Their run to the UEFA Cup final was less spectacular, and they won a poor final 2-0 against Marseille, effectively decided by one incident in the first half (Fabien Barthez bringing down Mista, being sent-off, and Vicente converting the resulting penalty). Mista added a second and that was that – both for the game and for Benitez’s time as manager.
CO www.zonalmarking.net
But the difficulty in describing these shapes as 4-2-3-1s comes from the fact that they were all effectively converted 4-4-2s, with holding midfielders, advanced wingers and a forward who liked to drop off into space. They were formations that became 4-2-3-1 when play developed, whereas Rafael Benitez’s side genuinely lined up with four bands, and a clear ‘three’ behind a lone frontman.
The key difference was in the player immediately behind the forward – whereas the aforementioned sides used Eric Cantona, Dennis Bergkamp and Raul respectively, Benitez used Pablo Aimar, a slender, enigmatic ‘next Maradona’ who was without question an attacking midfielder rather than a deep-lying forward. And therefore, there were five midfielders.
The 2001/02 was, frankly, as boring a side as won a domestic league title in the whole decade. A return of just 51 goals scored in 38 games is a laughable total for a Championship-winning team (no other top 5 team scored less than 64) – but Valencia were incredibly well-organised, and masters of the 1-0 win. The key was the fact that Valencia effectively played three central midfielders at a time when the rest of Spain was only fielding two. They rarely lost possession, and when they did, they were quick to get nine men behind the ball. Goals were in short supply from around the team, but Mista (a player Benitez had brought through the Real Madrid youth team) had an excellent season, and always deserved more recognition than he received.
Ruben Baraja and David Albelda were arguably the best midfield partnership of the decade – both intelligent passers and both positionally excellent in front of the back four – Baraja was probably the one who had more license to go forward and possessed a decent shot, but generally they left the attacking to the front four.
The side changed very little in terms of personnel for their second league title in 2003/04, a season when they also won the UEFA Cup. They did, however, demonstrate that the 4-2-3-1 was not merely a defensive shape, and credit must go to Benitez for the attacking shift - they conceded the same number of goals as they did in 01/02 (27) but managed to score twenty more goals, only one fewer than the league’s top scorers, Real Madrid. Mista became even better and Vicente added the goalscoring ability that was so clearly lacking when he first joined the club, and Valencia were without question the best side in Spain. Their run to the UEFA Cup final was less spectacular, and they won a poor final 2-0 against Marseille, effectively decided by one incident in the first half (Fabien Barthez bringing down Mista, being sent-off, and Vicente converting the resulting penalty). Mista added a second and that was that – both for the game and for Benitez’s time as manager.
CO www.zonalmarking.net
Sissoko was crap. Hence why you sold him. I never thought it possible that you could become a professional footballer without having the ability to pass the ball at least 5 yards. Sissoko and Benitez proved me wrong.
Riera was rubbish.
Riera was rubbish.
Roman might well be daft enough to hire Rafa but TBH I think all this talk is just Benitez' people keeping his name in the headlines.
iwillwin clearly soesn't want to be taken seriously, dont know why these people bother
Certainly can't fault his achievements with Valencia, but that was a long time ago now. When did he leave there? 2004. A lot changes in football in that time.
In that same year, David o'leary led Villa to 6th place in the premier league
In that same year, David o'leary led Villa to 6th place in the premier league
Nilsson, if players like Sissoko and Riera were so good, why were they sold?
Am i the only one thinking that this bloke has absolutely NO CHANCE of being the next Chelsea manager?
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining
steady decline? 86 pts when 2nd in Prem in penultimate season, as many points as Chelsea have managed in any of the last 6 seasons....that despite 'star players' Torres making only 20 starts and Gerrard getting embroiled in court case.....given Abramovich desperately wants the CL and Benitez's track record in that comp, stranger things have happened.
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining
steady decline? 86 pts when 2nd in Prem in penultimate season, as many points as Chelsea have managed in any of the last 6 seasons....that despite 'star players' Torres making only 20 starts and Gerrard getting embroiled in court case.....given Abramovich desperately wants the CL and Benitez's track record in that comp, stranger things have happened.
Nilsson, if players like Sissoko and Riera were so good, why were they sold?
Sissoko to fund Mascherano, i think
Sissoko to fund Mascherano, i think
Like I said..earlier don't bother reading between the lines.
Alonso was brilliant for a few seasons then dipped the season 07\08...there was baby being born dispute, english players required...and the ONLY saleable asset at that time to get another English mid was Alonso. O'neill said no a few times.
---->At this point Alonso had 1 good sub intro at Sunderland, poor starting(I think) vs Boro...I was there and I prob saw one of the worst passes ever from him("some" of the fans were frustrated with him)...and then I think from a few games later started playing a blinder of a season(His best ever!) and that's why he became a £30 Million man!!
Until then everyone including a lot on here(mostly non -REDs) said "What does Alonso bring to us", "he is slowest player ever", "blah blah blah"...then people cottoned onto his assets and allround intellectual ability.
(Very similar to Lucas!)
Following season Alonso went and Barry\O'Neill said higher, higher and then by then City were rich and offering better money.
Alonso was brilliant for a few seasons then dipped the season 07\08...there was baby being born dispute, english players required...and the ONLY saleable asset at that time to get another English mid was Alonso. O'neill said no a few times.
---->At this point Alonso had 1 good sub intro at Sunderland, poor starting(I think) vs Boro...I was there and I prob saw one of the worst passes ever from him("some" of the fans were frustrated with him)...and then I think from a few games later started playing a blinder of a season(His best ever!) and that's why he became a £30 Million man!!
Until then everyone including a lot on here(mostly non -REDs) said "What does Alonso bring to us", "he is slowest player ever", "blah blah blah"...then people cottoned onto his assets and allround intellectual ability.
(Very similar to Lucas!)
Following season Alonso went and Barry\O'Neill said higher, higher and then by then City were rich and offering better money.
Certainly can't fault his achievements with Valencia, but that was a long time ago now. When did he leave there? 2004. A lot changes in football in that time.
He left Valencia in 2004, he didnt leave football in 2004. Biscuit? Doughnut more like
He left Valencia in 2004, he didnt leave football in 2004. Biscuit? Doughnut more like
Nilsson Schmilsson
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iwillwin clearly soesn't want to be taken seriously, dont know why these people bother
Yep had to reply once to see his reply.
Bedtime for him I think!
06 Mar 12 12:44 Joined: 12 Jan 10 | Topic/replies: 13,113 | Blogger: Nilsson Schmilsson's blog
iwillwin clearly soesn't want to be taken seriously, dont know why these people bother
Yep had to reply once to see his reply.
Bedtime for him I think!
Had the best CL record of ANY Manager in Europe over a 5 year period.
Whatever his failings might have been, that is very, very impressive when you consider where Liverpool were in the pecking order at that time
Whatever his failings might have been, that is very, very impressive when you consider where Liverpool were in the pecking order at that time
What you're effectively saying is that neither Benitez or the Liverpoo fans can spot talent (Alonso).
Well played imo.
Well played imo.
IVILLWIN
06 Mar 12 12:57 Joined: 19 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 308 | Blogger: IVILLWIN's blog
What you're effectively saying is that neither Benitez or the Liverpoo fans can spot talent (Alonso).
Well played imo.
SMH. Goodnight.
duncan idaho 06 Mar 12 12:46
Am i the only one thinking that this bloke has absolutely NO CHANCE of being the next Chelsea manager?
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining
steady decline? 86 pts when 2nd in Prem in penultimate season, as many points as Chelsea have managed in any of the last 6 seasons....that despite 'star players' Torres making only 20 starts and Gerrard getting embroiled in court case.....given Abramovich desperately wants the CL and Benitez's track record in that comp, stranger things have happened.
Apologies, typo. Should've said his last YEAR saw them steadily declining. They came SEVENTH!!
duncan idaho 06 Mar 12 12:49
Certainly can't fault his achievements with Valencia, but that was a long time ago now. When did he leave there? 2004. A lot changes in football in that time.
He left Valencia in 2004, he didnt leave football in 2004.
I'm well aware of that but what's he done since then? Won the CL with Houllier's team. When he built his own Liverpool side they won absolutely nothing of note. That's not going to be enough for Roman. I stand by my original comment of Benitez having no chance of getting the Chelsea job. If by some miracle he gets the job then by all means return here and slate me. I'm quite confident i'll be proved right.
Am i the only one thinking that this bloke has absolutely NO CHANCE of being the next Chelsea manager?
His last years at liverpool saw them steadily declining
steady decline? 86 pts when 2nd in Prem in penultimate season, as many points as Chelsea have managed in any of the last 6 seasons....that despite 'star players' Torres making only 20 starts and Gerrard getting embroiled in court case.....given Abramovich desperately wants the CL and Benitez's track record in that comp, stranger things have happened.
Apologies, typo. Should've said his last YEAR saw them steadily declining. They came SEVENTH!!
duncan idaho 06 Mar 12 12:49
Certainly can't fault his achievements with Valencia, but that was a long time ago now. When did he leave there? 2004. A lot changes in football in that time.
He left Valencia in 2004, he didnt leave football in 2004.
I'm well aware of that but what's he done since then? Won the CL with Houllier's team. When he built his own Liverpool side they won absolutely nothing of note. That's not going to be enough for Roman. I stand by my original comment of Benitez having no chance of getting the Chelsea job. If by some miracle he gets the job then by all means return here and slate me. I'm quite confident i'll be proved right.
Also as Nobby pointed out, him completely cracking under pressure from Fergie would be another thing to go against him as well.
He probably should have been given it before AVB, in all honesty if I was the owner and I wanted to win the cl and had jsut spent 50 mill on a striker who made his reputation under a certain then I would be tempted to re unite them
His tactics and style of play would have been well suited to chelseas personel
dont think he could do much if any worse than the last few managers
His tactics and style of play would have been well suited to chelseas personel
dont think he could do much if any worse than the last few managers
Did he really crack under pressure from fergie, or is that just a press perception,
I dont recall them saying he cracked when he hammered real madrid over two legs and batterd united at home all in the same week
Its easy to trot out cliches after the event, the same will be used about united experience bieng the thing that wins the title should they get equal on points with city, or even surpass them this season
wonrt be mentioned if they dont catch up though
I dont recall them saying he cracked when he hammered real madrid over two legs and batterd united at home all in the same week
Its easy to trot out cliches after the event, the same will be used about united experience bieng the thing that wins the title should they get equal on points with city, or even surpass them this season
wonrt be mentioned if they dont catch up though
Who knows if Fergie actually cracked him? None of us have access to his inner thoughts. One thing for sure though Liverpool's season went down the toilet after his ill-advised rant.
Definitely cracked.
Fergie's mind games ruined Rafa. Never been the same since.
Fergie's mind games ruined Rafa. Never been the same since.
Rafa obviously cracked and as the subject of his extraordinary rant was Mr Ferguson I think it's safe to assume Fergie got right under his skin/up his nose.
What made it even worse was that it wasn't even a spur of the moment rant like Keegan's. Rafa had everything written down on a bit of paper to read out so he'd quite clearly planned it. If he had to go to those lengths then it's quite clear it had been playing on his mind and that Fergie had got to him.
A_T
06 Mar 12 13:30 Joined: 27 Jan 06 | Topic/replies: 3,146 | Blogger: A_T's blog
Who knows if Fergie actually cracked him? None of us have access to his inner thoughts. One thing for sure though Liverpool's season went down the toilet after his ill-advised rant.
LOL. SMH. The rubbish spouted on here without at least a little a bit of research is as RAFA would say "UNBELIEVABLE!"".
Where is that head in hand graphic??!!!
Dear oh Dear.
06 Mar 12 13:30 Joined: 27 Jan 06 | Topic/replies: 3,146 | Blogger: A_T's blog
Who knows if Fergie actually cracked him? None of us have access to his inner thoughts. One thing for sure though Liverpool's season went down the toilet after his ill-advised rant.
LOL. SMH. The rubbish spouted on here without at least a little a bit of research is as RAFA would say "UNBELIEVABLE!"".
Where is that head in hand graphic??!!!
Dear oh Dear.
Was hilarious to watch Biscuit.
I thought he was going to burst into tears at times.
I thought he was going to burst into tears at times.
Funniest thing is that Liverpool fans believe Rafa really got to Fergie with his "facts". Now where is that :cuckoo: smiley when you need it?
I simply do not believe it would be healthy for Rafa Benitez to manage again in the Premiership. At the time of his rant it was clear he needed help.
the rant was to take the spotlight of Gerrard and his court case...simple....Ferguson has been using the same deflecting tactics for years
The 'rant'was brilliant IMHO, who else had the guts to come out and say what everyone whispers in the background about Fergie, It was just coincidental they had a poor run of draws after that, do people seriously think the players levels dropped because of what Rafa has said? The same with the mind games, It's nothing about mindgames its about who the better team is and Man Utd tend to be the better team most season.
Even a blind man in a dark room could see Rafa cracked completely. He was a gibbering wreck FFS.
I really hope is not given the option to take it!!
Some CHelski fans wanted Jose gone too at not long before he left too! Now they want him back after all the interims that have come and gone and mostly failed due to lack of support from the main man.
Some CHelski fans wanted Jose gone too at not long before he left too! Now they want him back after all the interims that have come and gone and mostly failed due to lack of support from the main man.
Benitez has won more European Cups than Chelsea FC.
just saying like
just saying like
All these chants will come back haunt these fans one day.
Van Persie..will score when he wants etc..he missed a good chance today.
Chelsea fans not want Rafa....well that's probably largely down to them believing the hype\press that Jose will be available and come back. and if he goes elsewhere and Pep goes elsewhere...then they have burnt all their "Bridges"!
If only Rafa could go there for an 1 day and sell Torres back to us for £10M!!!
Muchas Gracias.
Van Persie..will score when he wants etc..he missed a good chance today.
Chelsea fans not want Rafa....well that's probably largely down to them believing the hype\press that Jose will be available and come back. and if he goes elsewhere and Pep goes elsewhere...then they have burnt all their "Bridges"!
If only Rafa could go there for an 1 day and sell Torres back to us for £10M!!!
Muchas Gracias.
On 5 Live, I'd love Rafa back in the premier league. Was great value.
As for this mental brakdown nonsense with ferguson, please don't believe that skysports/tabloid nonsense. The man proved himself in the 2 best leagues in the world and in Europe.
As for this mental brakdown nonsense with ferguson, please don't believe that skysports/tabloid nonsense. The man proved himself in the 2 best leagues in the world and in Europe.
There are some Liverpool fans who will love Rafa no matter what and wont accept that he was pretty much a joke to the rest of the premiership by the time he left
Liverpool fans havent won the league for so long that they end up idolising absolutely anyone - in the despearate hope that person will change things.
they worshipped Rafa, they worship suarez
sometimes to the extent of putting them ahead of the club
They had 30 foot banners and songs for Aquilani - Before he'd kicked a ball he'd been lifted to a state of near idolisation - A hero will rise Alberto Aquilani
Its idolisation born of desperation
Just google 'Rafatollah' for evidence
Liverpool fans havent won the league for so long that they end up idolising absolutely anyone - in the despearate hope that person will change things.
they worshipped Rafa, they worship suarez
sometimes to the extent of putting them ahead of the club
They had 30 foot banners and songs for Aquilani - Before he'd kicked a ball he'd been lifted to a state of near idolisation - A hero will rise Alberto Aquilani
Its idolisation born of desperation
Just google 'Rafatollah' for evidence
As for this mental brakdown nonsense with ferguson, please don't believe that skysports/tabloid nonsense
I suggest you take a look at the video again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU
I suggest you take a look at the video again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU
the "rant" was a cogent attack on Fergusons hypocrisy which hes been getting away with for years and the media have allowed him to
the reason Liverpool didnt win the league was cos like for the last 20 years, the players werent good enough. Not cos Rafa lost the plot
the reason Liverpool didnt win the league was cos like for the last 20 years, the players werent good enough. Not cos Rafa lost the plot
Mar 7, 2012 -- 9:50AM, Pootle wrote:
There are some Liverpool fans who will love Rafa no matter what and wont accept that he was pretty much a joke to the rest of the premiership by the time he leftLiverpool fans havent won the league for so long that they end up idolising absolutely anyone - in the despearate hope that person will change things.they worshipped Rafa, they worship suarezsometimes to the extent of putting them ahead of the clubThey had 30 foot banners and songs for Aquilani - Before he'd kicked a ball he'd been lifted to a state of near idolisation - A hero will rise Alberto AquilaniIts idolisation born of desperationJust google 'Rafatollah' for evidence
I have been on this thread bigging up Rafa, I believe he's been treated with a lack of respect around here, Chelski have some cheek turning their nose up at a manager who has won the trophy their oil tycoon craves so much.
Yes, towards the end of his tenure Rafa became very bitter towards the press and started doing some very annoying interiews, but he also had to deal with a couple of cowboys dikking him about.I wanted him gone, the football was horrible too.
So the fact I wanted him sacked but now I'm here defending should disprove that we will idolise him regardless, this whole laughing stock nonsense is exactly that, and Suarez even gets a mention in your post!
I didn't know they made banners for Aquilani.
SUPERB.
hahahaha
SUPERB.
hahahaha
i posted up the Rafa to CFC thing a couple of weeks back, it was a pile of p00 then, and probably still is
Anyway, RDM will do a decent job and get it Full time.
Anyway, RDM will do a decent job and get it Full time.
Mar 7, 2012 -- 1:57PM, cob316 wrote:
Mar 7, 2012 -- 9:50AM, Pootle wrote:There are some Liverpool fans who will love Rafa no matter what and wont accept that he was pretty much a joke to the rest of the premiership by the time he leftLiverpool fans havent won the league for so long that they end up idolising absolutely anyone - in the despearate hope that person will change things.they worshipped Rafa, they worship suarezsometimes to the extent of putting them ahead of the clubThey had 30 foot banners and songs for Aquilani - Before he'd kicked a ball he'd been lifted to a state of near idolisation - A hero will rise Alberto AquilaniIts idolisation born of desperationJust google 'Rafatollah' for evidenceI have been on this thread bigging up Rafa, I believe he's been treated with a lack of respect around here, Chelski have some cheek turning their nose up at a manager who has won the trophy their oil tycoon craves so much.Yes, towards the end of his tenure Rafa became very bitter towards the press and started doing some very annoying interiews, but he also had to deal with a couple of cowboys dikking him about.I wanted him gone, the football was horrible too.So the fact I wanted him sacked but now I'm here defending should disprove that we will idolise him regardless, this whole laughing stock nonsense is exactly that, and Suarez even gets a mention in your post!
Isn't that the same trophy that the man they just got rid of also won?
A great man and manager could go to virtually any club he wanted. I'd have him in the top three living managers
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