Why are England a large 2/1 to reach the euro 2012 semi finals

erm whats funny tmo?

England have some of the best young players in europe in wilshere, rooney, johnson, smalling/jones and more, and these youngsters could really do well at major tournaments. Even without Rooney for first two games, there are strikers who can stand up to the mark.

those youngsters got bummed by basel

england are the 4th best side next summer, a distance behind spain/germany but closing the gap on holland as will be shown next wednesday theres very little between the two.

We'll see, mugs will be proven wrong when england do well this summer.

but england usually do have one of the best sides "on paper", the ending has become rather familiar at these major finals

We'll see, mugs will be proven wrong when england do well this summer.

Even cock85 is laughing at this.

cus there sh it thats why

im proper ill but c0ck19 has made my day with his drivel

- Can't wait to 'ttt' this after the Euro's , Especially when Ireland get further than England !!!

It's so funny on here.

Save to My Favourite threads-= Done !!!

should be 1.01

closing the gap on holland as will be shown next wednesday theres very little between the two.

Unique19 - is it our impressive record of reaching major semi finals, our equally impressive record against the other major footballing nations, our outstanding displays at the 2010 world cup, or the fact we failed to beat Montenegro, Switzerland and Ghana at home in the past year that led you to reach the conclusion we are a great bet for the semis?

bergy spain will beat us 12-0 but only way is up after that

mugs dont understand football fact.

Portugal and italy arent anywhere near englands level whats funny about that. Everything i have said is true and realistic.

There are some jealous europeans in this thread fact.

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I don't know what's funnier - the claim that England are in the top 4 or the 8/5 on France to reach the semis

biscuit, we have some world level operators in the national team now.

We may have a poor record but how many have we lost on penalties? If we didnt lose all them on penalties wed have won a tournament or two and been a regular semi final team no question.

England just need a little luck and to hold their bottle, with less expectation i expect them to do well.

Capello was a massive problem and if we can get redknapp in we are a force to be reckoned with.

if this isn't a fishing thread someone needs to call a nurse

Feb 21, 2012 -- 2:58PM, The Bhoys wrote:

bergy spain will beat us 12-0 but only way is up after that

Tell me about, Maybe they will pitty us and keep the score to 11-0

a hear messi out so possibly

Capello was a massive problem and if we can get redknapp in we are a force to be reckoned with.

France are a similar level with players like Benzema, Nasri, Ribery, Remy, and will be a threat

is this the redknapp that wants to bring in a 38 year old midfielder into england's magnificent young squad?

but I still think England will top the group and then face and beat the poor italians in the quarters.


i stopped laughing  this guy is proper ignorant

to be fair redknapp is a good manager. but engurland r useless have 2 players rooney and wilshire

to be fair redknapp is a good manager. but engurland r useless have 2 players rooney and wilshire

for me england is just about kick and rush and coaching focuses on strength height and size and little on technical abilities, against the likes of holland germany and spain we have no chance the technical ability is just far far superior.

that being said england have no chance

Unique, here are some facts for you.

None of the young players you mention in your first post is odds-on to start at the Euros - certainly not if, as seems likely, Redknapp is the manager. Good old JT, Stevie G, and Scholesy will play instead, and we will be overrun - again - by superior players managed by more astute managers.

We do not have a single world-class player any more, given that Rio is close to the end and Ashley Cole is also getting old. Apart from those two, we do not have any player who would get into any off the top four or five sides in the world right now, or at any time in the last ten years. The only player who even approaches being a decent footballer, Rooney, is suspended, and tends, apart from his first appearance in Euro 2004, to disgrace himself either with his behaviour, his play, or both, when the eyes of the world are upon him.

History dictates that the high hopes cherished by the population of England will be sunk by the reality that our footballers are just not very good, ill-disciplined, and arrogant enough to believe that their pay packets are commensurate with their ability.

Having said all that, we could be a force at the 2014 World Cup as it will give Redknapp or whoever a couple of years to remove the long-term failures like Gerrard, Lampard and Terry and blood some of the very promising youngsters we have.

Portugal and italy arent anywhere near englands level whats funny about that.

The fact that we never seem to beat them?..

holland arent superior to england.

and quite why you think england beating italy is funny is beyond me. italy a poor side.

tuckyboy i disagree with some of what you have said.

I agree though why take SG, FL and previous failures? Start the youngsters and build.

I understand some may say england wont win it, but not even get to the semis? England have a great chance if they face italy in the quarters.

billybunns, I think youll find they are more successful at penalties.

England just need a little lady luck.

you are assuming england will qualify. I can see them losing to france and drawing with the ukraine and a very poor sweden

tucky, heres a question, if we field these promising youngsters you speak of, and leave out the failures, what do you think we will achieve?

Flea, I think england/france 1-1 draw, beat ukraine 3-0 and beat sweden 2-1

I've no idea why the OP is so certain we will win the group anyway. France played us off the park and beat us at Wembley last year, why will the Euro's be any different?

If England get out their group they will have to beat Spain or Italy. Not going to happen. The idea that this "promising group of youngsters" are going to do better than Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Terry managed at their peak is laughable.

holland arent superior to england.

and quite why you think england beating italy is funny is beyond me. italy a poor side.




c0ck19 u r funny period

biscuit, have a little faith.

i'll be amazed if england get out of the group particularly without rooney. no wins a lot more than likely than 2.

spain will beat england but italy as i said dont make me laff

holland have won every meaningful competitive game they've played in the last 3 years except the world cup final

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stop it u r killin me

my last post was meant for c0ck19 not mafeking quality honest post

Any country that has Pearce coaching their youth team should stick to knitting rather than football

we'll see next wednesday when england face holland.

The lengths some people will go to to get a £20 lay at 3's matched..

we'll see next wednesday when england face holland.


omg this guy is awesome

Feb 21, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Unique19 wrote:

we'll see next wednesday when england face holland.

haha England are dreading next wednesday, and are sincerely hoping that the match is called off again LoL

england are clearly better than the poor italians

yeah, ok

English players are freaks selfish and money orientated they have never and will never care bout the national side so stop supporting them and prevent the heart ache now bfore the euros start .

look at the spanish they care about their countryu and represent it with pride weras english players are

England will struggle to get out of the group. Where are the goals going to come from with Rooney banned for the 1st two? France, Ukraine and Sweden will be no pushovers.

pure selfish not an ounce of english blood in them !

ella

I am not english but i love england , but i do hate the national side for not caring about their own people and their pride !

England have got past the Euro's group stage just twice in history (in 1996 and 2004).

They've have NEVER won a single knockout match in 90 mins and ET (although they did of course get through the quarters in 96 on penalties v Spain).

I hope I'm wrong, but with doubts over most of our best players, I wouldn't fancy us to do that well.

Unders probably a good call in most the matches depending on how we play.  At least we know who's money we won in the Spain friendly when Super Frank scored the winner.

previous tournaments do not matter, its the future that does.

Who will score the goals while rooney is out? Walcott, Bent, Carroll, Defoe, Oxlaide Chamberlein, Young etc etc.

Those 5 players you've mentioned are rubbish and bar Defoe who has decent spells from time to time can't even hack it in the Premiership. Carroll is one of the worst "forwards" I've ever seen play. He's only scored a handful of goals and most of those were in cup competitions against lower league teams.

6, I can't count.

Well I have so little faith in the English side I have opted for France to win the EURO 2012 @ 16/1. I have a fair bit of money on it and with Rooney banned, Capello stepping down, Issues over captaincy, questions over JT and the racism row and the persistent faith in the older lot (gerrard, lumplard, rio, terry and cole) makes it hard for me to believe England can win. France seem a great bet to lay at least, they will surely get out of that group.

As a previous poster wrote this side will be a real force for 2014. Players like Joe Hart(who will certainly take captaincy at some point) alongside Rooney, Phil Jones, Kyle Walker, Jack Wilshere, Daniel Sturridge, Andy Carroll, Danny Welbeck, Adam Johnson etc..

Who is this famous etc the English fans always go on about?

He's so good they named him twice. etc etc

I assume this was a response to me? The list certainly is longer with players like Oxlade-Chamberlain, Jack Rodwell, Marc Albrighton, Micah Richards as other off the top of my head suggestions. I am sure you will be quick to shoot some down but as a squad they have a lot of young players coming through with good potential. Let's not forget players such as Rooney/Richards/Milner are still mid 20's players with a lot of impact for England up to 2020

if england field their youngsters though woozie then they can win it

agreed woozie, if england didnt field the oldies like lampard/gerrard etc, how far do you think england can get this tournament?

or is too early for the youngsters to make an impact?

they don't play like a team. Players are irrelevant. Look at the last teams that have won major championships. Italy and Greece won purely through teamwork. Argentina on paper has the strongest team yet they get nowhere. Germany rebuilt their team, but still managed to reach the final in 2002 with the crappiest team of all time.

This attitute is missing in England, and Capello was getting it under wraps. These youngsters you mention have the speed, but generally run around like headless chickens

Everyone likes to be patriotic so I'll leave you to it. Still months away yet.

flea, theres nothing to say that these youngsters wont work as a team and achieve more than the previous lot

ofcourse there is. They are in the U21 team under the management of a tactically inept bloke. In their specific teams they are used to playing with extremely skilled foreigners in specific roles. Group them together and they just boot and chase the ball forward

YOMOMMA - I am certainly not patriotic either. I am born and bred Welsh looking forward to a Triple Crown on the weekend. I am can see though that there is talent in that England squad. Don't get me wrong I love players like Stevie G but there days are numbered. Parker has proved he still has the bit between his teeth. Kyle Walker, Phil Jones and Oxlade are certainly players that deserve to be in that starting squad come EURO 2012 though. Be nice to have Wilshere(if fit) and Milner involved there too.

And in answer to Unique19 I cannot really forsee a scenario where England will ever beat Germany or Spain but all it takes is to get the ball rolling. A new manager and feel good in the camp must be a good thing. I was never Capello's biggest fan.

england did well in the u21 championships.

we'll see, if we field the youngsters then england has a chance of success this summer.

england are capable of beating germany and spain woozie, we just need a manager who can really make the players believe and work together. IMO of course.

did well? they drew 2 lost one managing 2 goals in three matches

U21s were awful last summer and included jones, welbeck, smalling, sturridge, albrighton etc.  however that may have been more due to pearces negative tactics.

what a dreamer .............england  are so over rated

are we talking about the Sturridge that keeps his eyes on the ground and just gallops forward? There were so many gaps in the Napoli defence last night that with a bit of vision they would've been battered.

Napoli made it to the last 16 in the Champions league, it's not because the Napoli defense is easy to waltz through.