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JPJ
09 Feb 12 19:31
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A decent article in Football365.com by John Nicholson

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Okay deep breath. Settle down. Fabio Capello has gone. Harry Redknapp will replace him.

It won't affect much. England won't be any better or much worse. The players are still the players and still won't be able to retain possession but will have enough quality to win some games. The same old story.

There is a case for Redknapp as England manager. Many don't like him and think he's not good enough, others do. It's like that with most managers.

But it is an appointment campaigned for by large swathes of the press and most of the broadcast media output; a triumph for favouritism over meritocracy.

They seem psychotically desperate for him to take over; they want it with a lust that I have never known at any other time. They talk about him as though he is a family member. It is nothing less than a determined, concerted campaign and like any political campaign; they protect their candidate from any criticism. Henry Winter says 54 and a half million Englishmen want Harry Redknapp and the other 500,000 are Spurs fans who don't want him to leave. This is just untrue but it was asserted on Radio 4 this morning as though it was. This is the mood music. A story has been created and nothing which does not fit the plotline is being reported. It is a Stalinist whitewash to get one man elected.

Serious critique of Redknapp's management of almost any club he's been in charge of has always been very limited because presumably, no-one likes to criticise a friend. But this is not good enough.

Simply put, almost all media outlets and employees seem biased in his favour. Nothing which paints him in a bad light is published. When Spurs play badly it is never his fault. When they lose, it is the players who lose. When they win it is his talent. His Spurs reign has been described by slavering acolytes as 'magnificent' and 'extraordinary'. It is in such hyperbole that this awful favouritism reveals itself.

He's done a very good job, but not an extraordinary job. No manager is this perfect. Everyone does things wrong. Redknapp is no exception. He is being rated far too highly. This isn't to say he is without qualities nor even that he shouldn't manage England, but the way he's talked about across the media you'd think he'd turned water into wine, Michael Dawson into Franz Beckenbauer.

Think otherwise? It will never be raised in the media. The voices against him are muted and not given a platform, Right away, as soon as Capello resigned, there was a media maelstrom, telling us 'everyone' wants Redknapp as manager, when that just isn't true. Even the normally excellent Mark Chapman on 5live got caught on this media-generated story arc said it was 'unanimous' before, to give him his due, qualifying the statement somewhat. There is always a tendency for a collective group think in football where assumptions are made by a few and adopted by many others. This must explain why Capello, win ratio of 67% and all, is being described as though he was a failure and a bad manager, a bad man, even.

There are and always have been fans who have questioned Redknapp's abilities and there are even now. You don't have to hate him or think him useless to think and understand that he is far from perfect. But we are painted a picture as though he is capable of transforming ordinary talent into worldbeaters, of making players feel so good that they perform extraordinary feats.

Stan Collymore was reporting players' favourable response to a Redknapp appointment as though this in itself would justify it but surely he is not so dumb as to not realise that players always back the new man, just as they always back the old man right up until he is sacked or resigns. They gravitate to the power. It is proof of nothing and even if it was, should the FA really appoint a manager on the say-so of the players?

"The foreign managers have been useless," one caller said to 5live. This is the dumb level reached. This is who supports the Redknapp appointment.

The anti-Capello sentiment, like the anti-Sven sentiment before it, is nothing less than vile. His achievements are wiped away in this media frenzy which re-writes history in the same way a totalitarian regime does.

Today's arrogant bully, let us not forget, was appointed to instil discipline into a side indulged by Steve McClaren and Sven. It is a bitter irony that Sven was castigated - by those who now accuse Capello of being too cold and aggressive towards the players - for indulging the WAG culture and not showing enough emotion. What is a man to do? These two men took England through five qualifying campaigns and lost just two games. The Englishman in the middle of them lost three in just one. To ignore this fact as an inconvenient truth is an emblem of the stupidity on display here.

It now seems forgotten that the players had grown fearful of the shirt and of playing at home before Capello arrived. All was not sweetness and light before the evil Capello snake polluted the Garden of Eden.

The impression we are being given, as ever, is that it's not the players' fault we're losers at tournaments, it is the manager. But it's not the manager, it is the players, players who - like Redknapp - are all too often and easily over-rated.

A quick example: Joe Hart. A great shot-stopper, now regularly called the best keeper in the world on TV and in the press. However, Hart comes for and flaps at a lot of crosses; the world's best keeper wouldn't. This awkward fact is just totally ignored, is not commented on, and the great shot-stopping is focused on instead. So when he plays for England and he flaps at a cross, and someone scores as a result, it will be presented as though it is out of character or that he's playing worse for England than his club. He's not. A false impression has been created.

I hope Redknapp's legendary man-management powers will transform England from also-rans into champions. I see no reason why, if true, it would not work immediately. Presumably he will be sacked if this is not the case. Virtually the only quality assigned to him by his followers is man management, so if that is proved bogus, the reason for his appointment evaporates.

We've been down this populist manager route before with Kevin Keegan who, oh, he was English and could speak English fluently. It never ends well.

This whole affair is far too emblematic of the hysterical, bi-polar, idiot culture which underlies the national game.

But this love will end in tears. It always does with England. They will turn on the man they now vaunt and adore. They eat their own, this mob. It is sick.

They think they have won but more truthfully it reveals we are all losers.

John Nicholson
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Report mexicano February 9, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
interesting read. perhaps gone a bit too far "the other way", and is not giving 'arry the credit due for the improvement in tottenham as a football club since he arrived.

but i gotta say i tend to agree with a lot of it.
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 7:48 PM GMT
Indeed, a very good read. A refreshing change to find a journalist who isn't crawling up Rednapp's arse.
Report R0ykeane February 9, 2012 7:50 PM GMT
At worst we'll be performing as well(badly) but saving money (nap)

Hiddink far and away the standout candidate short term and perhaps long but must be an englander.

Mugs the lot of yous
Report JPJ February 9, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
Mexicano. I agree mate
Report tobermory February 9, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
Yes Mex, too far exaggerated the other way.

Redknapp does not get the Kim Il Sung like worship from the media this guy claims, and his appointment would be a lot more popular than anyone else that is likely to consider the job.
Report loui February 9, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
trying to remember who was the last england coach to leave the post without a severely damaged image. probably ron greenwood(caretaker i think. some might say terry venables. alf ramsey a cert.
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
"Redknapp does not get the Kim Il Sung like worship from the media this guy claims"

Oh, rest assured he gets exactly that.
Report themover February 9, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
Good read. It's an ongoing circle with England and the FA are a lot to blame for this...after all we now have a chartered accountant running English football whose main priorities were reducing dissent and increasing respect in English football...obviously not to the extent of respecting the manager, appointed by the said organisation, to deal with football matters on the pitch. Capello was/is a good manager and a loss I expect we will come to regret, unless of course they do the sensible thing and appoint the best man for the job and not one based on his nationality..alas I fear not.
Report Crisp77 February 9, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
The press are so keen on Redknapp it must mean that they have loads of dirt on him.
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
Capello was a poor manager and if you look at the England fixtures when he was manager then his success rate should have been higher.£24 million of your English pounds gone South.
Report berto77 February 9, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
Good piece.  Redknapp should, and will, get he job but as this article points out the players will be the same.

Redknapps candidacy is massively enhanced by the total and shameful lack of alternatives.  No one dare contemplate who to appoint if Redknapp doesnt want it.  Hodgson?  Pearce? Alladyce?
Report whosaidwhat February 9, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
Won one FA Cup ; questions his own ability to write , use a computer , send emails , use text messaging , use faxes ; ideal credentials for an England manager I would have thought. And speaks Cockney/Mockney - result eh? the boy will have done good before the fat lady sings.
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
Obviously Hiddink is a vastly superior candidate, but he probably won't get it because he isn't english. Shame that the FA won't pick the best, but then they are racist.
Report mafeking February 9, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
leaving aside what you might think of redknapp can you imagine the press's reaction if anyone else gets the job in preference to their chosen one ?

honeymoon period ? they're tear the poor sod limb from limb from day one
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
So by appointing an English manager to be manager of the England football team the FA would be racist !! No wonder the country is in such a state and the garbage from around the world washes up on its shores.Is that a racist comment or should anyone be allowed to live there ?
Report themover February 9, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
I really hope Redknapp doesn't take it. Doing such a good job at Spurs would be a shame to see him go the way of McClaren etc.
Report Regular Fries February 9, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
me too mover. Just can't see him not taking it if offered though
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
Yes homefortea, by picking someone who isn't the best manager for the job but simply because they were english, that would make them racist.

Are you thick?
Report mafeking February 9, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
not really sure what point the bloke writing the article is trying to make.

an englishman should be the manager of england and redknapp is by the best qualified candidate.

everyone knows the reason we don't do very well if cos we don't have very good players. how many times have watched you even 2nd and 3rd rate international sides outpass england let alone the very best ?

every chance redknapp will make little difference. why do think everyone thinks he'd be made to take it ?
Report mafeking February 9, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
* mad to take it
Report tobermory February 9, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
There are reasons other than 'best man for the job' why you might want to pick an english manager.

Familiarity with the football culture, abilty to speak the language etc

So it is not inherently racist to have that view
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 8:23 PM GMT
What ? You think that by appointing Gus Hiddink as manager, a rip roaring success in Turkey is the right appointment.He is better than Harry at one thing though - He was found GUILTY of tax fraud in 2007.There are some countries in the world that would not let him get a visa after that conviction.The Rascist card is overplayed and in this countries case has dragged it into the gutter..Feck off you Liberal...
Report TRFC Kev February 9, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
Am I right in thinking there's an element of the Spurs support who are not totally enamoured with 'Arry and wouldn't be disappointed to see him leave?


The job is a poison challice, and though I have nothing against Spurs (Except all those 4-0 Cup defeats Angry) it's perfect for Redknapp.

You can take the boy out of the East End.....
Report anfeild February 9, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
If Harry gets it will not be any different. The players are simple not good enough. The press know this but the hounding of the English manager is a national sport. Harry is perceived as the savior. If he takes it won't be long till the press are hounding him out. Just have a sneaky feeling Harry won't take it. If he doesn't then i can see the FA swiftly change their view on wanting an English man. Because the rest of the crop are limited.
Report Captain Christy February 9, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
Anyone would think this 'journalist' doesn't know that the main idea behind building them up is to knock em down.
Report R0ykeane February 9, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
homefortea
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What ? You think that by appointing Gus Hiddink as manager, a rip roaring success in Turkey is the right appointment.He is better than Harry at one thing though - He was found GUILTY of tax fraud in 2007.There are some countries in the world that would not let him get a visa after that conviction.The Rascist card is overplayed and in this countries case has dragged it into the gutter..Feck off you Liberal...


If you cant see hiddink is by far a superior candidate for both his mainly good and rare bad experiences across several different nations you sir, cannot be helped.
Report mafeking February 9, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
kev, when he was appointed many of us had reservations (me included) but we were desperate at the time and mid season we'd didn't have many other options.

he's done a tremendous job. don't think people realise how much we are up against it. he broke up the sky 4 which seemed almost impossible at the time and the 5 clubs we're now competing with all have vastly superior budgets.

as for him leaving been on the cards ever since capello said he was going in the summer in a way it's better it's come to a head now. at least now we can plan for next season. would have been much worse if the fa had stuck to their original plan and came calling for arry in july leaving us in a right mess with the season not far away.
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
There is no problem with Hiddink's ability to speak or understand english, not with his adaptability to the culture, he has managed it perfectly well in every other job he has had.

The fact that people use the term "liberal" in a derogatory way just shows how thick they are. The same as the term "socialist" is about the worst insult you can give to someone in America.

Yes, I am a liberal, and proud of it.
Report Compensation Year February 9, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
agree with anfeild - think it is no more than 50/50 that he will take the job if he's offered it. Family could well persuade him to stay where he is given Spurs loyalty, his health issues and a court case that has probably taken a lot out of him.
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
Rosie47 you dog.A Liberal in this country is the worst insult I can imagine.And for the record I have never said that Harry is the best candidate to be England Manager.As for Hiddink I am in awe of his learning to speak fluent Turkish in his short and vastly unsuccessful stint as the manager of the national team, as I am of his abilities when in charge of Russia....
Report duffy February 9, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
the worrying thing to come out of todays press conference was the inference from bernstein that it was the "confidence" element that was missing from the team more than any other factor....if he really believes this then it shows that the man at the top is pretty much clueless as to our real failings.
Report lagmorian February 9, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
had the chance to get mart o'neill years ago and blew it
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
I'll just have to accept that you are a thicko, homefortea. Every comment you have made on this thread have proved it beyond any doubt.
Report I_McHunt_Pro-Punter February 9, 2012 9:07 PM GMT
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO FOR A COCKNEY, I THINK THE NEXT ENGLAND MANAGER SHOULD BE ENGLISH.
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 9:08 PM GMT
Typical Liberal.Probably a Lesbian as well ! If anyone disagrees with you then they are wrong ! One million illegal immigrants will be hanging on every word.Get a hold of yourself.....
Report Ouspenski February 9, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
Rosie47
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Yes homefortea, by picking someone who isn't the best manager for the job but simply because they were english, that would make them racist.

Are you thick?


Rosie, if youre going to call someone thick, its possibly a good idea to make sure youre right. It wouldnt make them racist, it would make them xenophobic. Nothing funnier than a thicko calling someone else thick!!HTH
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
In common use of the word, Ouspenski, it is frequently used to describe discrimination based on race, religion, or nationality. I suggest you do a little more research. HTH.
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
So Rosie how is the flat in Tower Hamlets at this time of the year ?
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
I have no idea, as I live nowhere near there.

Strange question Plain
Report Ouspenski February 9, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
Maybe wannabe intellectuals like you use the term incorrectly but that doesnt mean its right does it?

Racism, amazingly, is discrimination based on.................race!

Descriminating on the grounds of nationaly is xenaphobia.

You think youre clever, youre not. Youve been educated. thank me and we'll move on!
Report the dza February 9, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
I don't know where this xenophobic thing comes from, with regards those who think the England manager should be English. For me, the manager should be English because the players have to be. We can't pinch Messi or Ronaldo, so we should pick the best Englishman for the job of coach too.
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
Exactly Rosie47 you Liberals never do.You will be living in a nice area and leave the working class to put up with the effects of mass immigration whilst you sit there and call anyone who doesn't agree with you you "racist" and "thick"....Rancid..
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
It's fairly common to use it in that sense, but if it means that much to you, I'll use the term xenophobic. Happy now Mischief
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
"You will be living in a nice area and leave the working class to put up with the effects of mass immigration..."

lmao, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried Shocked
Report Ouspenski February 9, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
I agree, it is fairly common to use it in that sense.....but ONLY by people who are not very bright!
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 9:37 PM GMT
Then not only are you a liberal but even worse a poor liberal !! God forbid...
Report ch000pin February 9, 2012 9:38 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
Not automatically, Ouspenski, btw xenophobia isn't just used to refer to nationality, but can be used for race / religion also! Bet you didn't know that, did you Silly
Report ch000pin February 9, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
who cares about that we wanna know what area you rest the old shell like in??
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
Rosie47 don't tell me you are the worst of the worst..A Charity Worker..In my day that was an unpaid job but I see now that hundreds of thousands are employed in the business resulting in less than 10% of money donated (in many cases) actually finding its way to whoever it was raised for...
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
lmao, any more totally random wrong guesses or are we done for the night? Silly
Report Ouspenski February 9, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
I didnt know that...........because its not right!
Report NyronNosworthy February 9, 2012 9:53 PM GMT

Feb 9, 2012 -- 9:24PM, the dza wrote:


I don't know where this xenophobic thing comes from, with regards those who think the England manager should be English. For me, the manager should be English because the players have to be. We can't pinch Messi or Ronaldo, so we should pick the best Englishman for the job of coach too.


It should be, but there are no rules against it so why hamstring yourself? Particularly when there is such a dearth of candidates available.

Report homefortea February 9, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
No, time to watch CSI and leave you to have a quick munch and finish off knitting the cardigan for the Romanian Big Issue seller claiming £25k per year benefits as she is self-employed.What a country, thank God I am on the fringes and don't have to live there...
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
I'm afraid it is...maybe you don't know as much as you think, eh?

Devil
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
I'm disappointed you failed to mention me reading the Guardian Sad
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
Nobody reads the Guardian anymore..Now you really are taking the piss...Hang on you are Kevin Pullein....
Report Ouspenski February 9, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
I dont claim to know much really. Just the basics, and believe me, what youre confused about is very basic!
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
My favourite Pullein story is from a few years back.He was in the pub (OK wine bar) and was recognised by a punter and asked did he think that England would win later on that night.His reply was that he couldn't advance an opinion as he "had left his notes on the goal minutes back at the office". No I did not make that up and believe it or not he still works for the Racing Post !! Liberals.....
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
Just for you, Ouspenski:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia

Definitions

Dictionary definitions of xenophobia include: deep-rooted antipathy towards foreigners (Oxford English Dictionary; OED), unreasonable fear or hatred of the unfamiliar, especially people of other races (Webster's)[5]

The Dictionary of Psychology defines it as "a fear of strangers".[6] As defined by the OED, it can mean a fear of or aversion to, not only people from other countries, but other cultures, subcultures and subsets of belief systems; in short, anyone who meets any list of criteria about their origin, religion, personal beliefs, habits, language, orientations, or any other criteria


Devil
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
You definitely made that one up....I hope Shocked
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
Rosie47 give it a rest..Go back to wherever you were before you started posting last week you kook...
Report homefortea February 9, 2012 10:17 PM GMT
Rosie47 I have a million Pullein stories...Recommendation not now !! The man is a loon....
Report Ouspenski February 9, 2012 10:28 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

If i were you, I'd just check reputable sources such as the Oxford English Dictionary.

Youre original statement was that to give redknapp the job on the basis he was English, would be racist. Now, without going offf on a tangent, or cutting and pasting, could you please explain how on earth this can be racist?

I'll give you a clue, your answer might start "actually, i was wrong, its not racist, english isnt a race so it obviously cant be racist, it would actually be xanephobic".
Report Rosie47 February 9, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
I thought I'd already explained, a common use of the term can be used to describe the interpretation I mentioned.

I then went on to show how "xenophobic" also has other common meanings in addition to one which relates to nationality. (Here is a clue, there are other sources than the OED). This was despite your insistence that it was not the case.

It may have been going off track slightly, but as you brought up the phrase you were certain I should have used, I thought it reasonable to demonstrate that words which are commonly used in one respect can be used in other ways also.

hth Devil
Report gotitwrong- February 9, 2012 11:16 PM GMT
get a life
Report Live Forever February 10, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
homefortea, you moron.

From what you have typed it is quite clear that you don't even know what the word 'liberal' even means, you pr@t.

However, you do know that it has been adopted by thick feckers throughout the country in the mistaken belief that it describes someone with left wing ideology.

You and your ilk should realise that we are not in fecking America and that most of the Tory Party are fecking liberals in their ideology.

What a fecking moron
Report Arsenal Oldie February 10, 2012 8:14 AM GMT
Congrats to Rosie47 on the best new name on this forum for a while.

And a superb article by Nicholson.
Report morpteh mackem February 10, 2012 8:29 AM GMT
anoynoe tell me what is on harry's cv that suggests he should be england manager ?
Report BARNEY21. February 10, 2012 8:58 AM GMT
At the end of the day/play if you have good enough players you will win but in Barry/Milner/Scotty this is the heart of the team remember mediocrity springs to mind.
Report Ouspenski February 10, 2012 9:36 AM GMT
I said, without going off on a tangent and changing the subject!

Maybe you would call some xenaphobic who descriminates on the base of race and someone racist if they descriminate on the base of nationality. Thats up to you. Its wrong but its up to you! I actually think youre clever enough to now know youre wrong but, for some reason, cant just admit it and move on. 

Now, to get this daft argument back on track, if you could answer the original point id be most grateful. Thanks Grin
Report Ouspenski February 10, 2012 9:42 AM GMT
Yes MM, I can have a try:

He has a proven track record in the english game. Fair enough, he hasnt won a boat load of trophies but he's been a success most jobs he's had.

He's a great man manager. This is absolutely huge for the England manager. Keeping the bunch of clowns we have as players in check is not easy and past managers have been unable to do it. Wally with the brolly and sven too pally with them and fabio too strict, grounding them like 12 year old schoolboys. He understands the players, what makes them tick and is known to get the absolute best out of his players.

Im guessing you dont think he is the man for the job. Who would you say was a realsitic alternative?
Report berto77 February 10, 2012 9:49 AM GMT
The question those saying Redknapp's CV isn't good enough need to answer this question.

Why did we fail so badly at the last World Cup if it was as easy as appointing a coach with the best CV? (for example someone who'd won nine league titles with four different clubs in two different countries like Capello).

You should appoint the manager who you think will get you the best results in the future, not the one who has had the best record in the past.
Report jimmy d February 10, 2012 9:52 AM GMT
I object to the following in the article far more than the campaign for Redknapp:

"....the normally excellent Mark Chapman."
Report Poppydog. February 10, 2012 10:50 AM GMT
I don't really agree with Redknapp being England manager
I was enjoying the sweeping out of the 10yr England regulars who have failed miserably,
yet are still reveered (Terry, Cole x2, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Lampard, etc.) under Capello

However in all fairness, Redknapp has earned his right to have a crack at the England job,
with his work with Tottenham over the past 2 years.
Report Amigo 66 February 10, 2012 11:31 AM GMT
Excellent article by John Nicholson, thanks for posting it.
Report TRFC Kev February 10, 2012 1:16 PM GMT
Cheers Mafeking.

I can only speak as a neutral, although I am slowly going off the Greed League as they continually distance themselves from the football pyramid.

Saying that, Spurs have taken over the mantle from Arsenal (imo) as the team to watch from a neutral point of view.

That's why I didn't undersand any rumbling's about Harry's brand of football, although I guess it's just a minority.

Mind you, he is an odious character.
Report TheBetterBettor February 10, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
HOW CAN YOU HIRE THIS MAN!!!

By his own admission he can't read or write and talks like a 2 yr old.
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