Have Betfair still not got a market up?

ree **** you louse

Even the purple site has it up.  Very poor, Betfair.

Disgusting scenes.

Seriously, what are they doing?

Tweeted about 30 minutes ago the legal team were going through t&c

Pathetic. Every other bookmaker managed it a long time ago.

Agreed never known a manager market last this long

They are working out if they will allow bets from an account named Rosie47 before they set the market up.

this has all the looks of a disastrous market. bf will have differn't rules to some of the high st players. people will think they're arbing/trading across differn't firms when in fact they could be playing what are virtually differnt markets.

be carefull.

psss poor this, are betfair staff in the canteen having tea ?

Rosie47 are you interested in the job?

No, but my master is (allegedly)

Are they even going to bother?

blokwe on phone said their going to wait till the morning,as they reckon an interim manager will be put in place for the friendlies,there avoiding confusion in the market basically.

bloke *

Well why don't they put that up on their own fecking website?

So every other bookmaker has a market except Betfair.

Clowns.

info@betfair.com

hth

Done... but no, it won't help

I can see there point, but the next captains market is for the French game, just do the same with the next manager simple

I don't see their point at all - every other bookie has got on with it and given their customers what they want. Betfair can't manage it.

Jason never mind that it's a done deal anyway.

remember this is void bets betfair they are carp at most things so about 10 mins before the new man is in place the market will appear uselesssssssssssssssss

Not really the point, and as a Betfair customer, you should know that...

to mes ^

Betquack are on the ball fill ya boots.

I'm a customer of Barclays bank, I still have to queue. if they're busy.

That's a terrible analogy - totally different things.

Brings back fond memories, anyone remember......Next Republic of Ireland Manager.......I loved it went on for weeks, different favourite every other day, seemed to be about 50 runners.

Just needs Redknapp (the only viable candidate at this stage) to come and say not interested then we could be in for a roller-coaster.

lol best I can do at short notice, must be a reason.

Very poor. **** themselves about a Nicky Henderson insider dealing thing. That's what happens with this recipe as the probable next manager knows only too well.

they will want to have a next permanent manager mkt. the high street will have differnt ones. they'll have all sorts of aggro, so they're waiting till the dust settles.

they could of course have two or three mkts

next game.


euros.


next permanent.

but that would be pandemonium.


they've got themselves in troubke before with these markets [wordings in the rules] so they tend to  tead carefully.

Thing is, Levy must have a say before Reknapp can say anything, and with Spurs in their best position for years, is it guaranteed?

A lot depends on the market rules.

Blanked oot was sh11tting

Stuart Pearce will take charge of the Holland game.

Funny how no other bookmaker is experiencing that problem, mex.

Harrys cash already queueing
but is it in the back or lay column ??

well

the other bookmakers only have one side of the trade to worry about.

as i said they've experienced problems before.

Same problem though, one or two sides... if it's the rules we're talking about.

where is the market please? I cannot find it on Betfair

Who is England head coach for their first competitive game in Euro 2012 or whatever. How hard is that?

and as you know this aint a bookie site it's an exchange. so you have people who think they're laying the next permanent manager to people who think they're backing the guy who'll be in charge for the next game, and they aint always one and the same.

Same issue mex - ultimately you have a person placing a bet that needs to check the rules before betting.

No difference on Betfair than on any other site.

they had a situation once where a geezer was given the job on a long[ish] contract, but wasn't called as a permanant appointment.

there was murders over that one.

Why would that problem be any different for another bookmaker?

i understand that jason

but bf normally operate a next PERMANENT manager mkt, and i dare say they want to see how the land lies before they get involved.

So does every other bookie - there's no difference, and you know it.

the reason it's differnt for other bookmakers is because they are laying , rather than acting as an exchange, so they only have responsibilities to one lot, whereas bf ,in the case of disputes have both sides of each trade with a point of view.

and usually they both reckon they've won.

That's not a difference, that's just more people.

Every person - whether it be on another bookmaker or Betfair - would be affected by one bet and the rules associated with that bet.

no that is not the way it is.

you get differnt markets with differnt rules.

that's why i posted a warning earlier.

you could have the situation where bf are bretting on the next permanent manager, and the high streets pay out on the geezer who's in charge for the holland match.

it's happened before.
and it's pandemonium.

It's no different.

You as a punter - whether you're laying, backing, or both, are affected by the rules of the market. The guy that loses his bet on the high street would have the same complaint as the guy that layed it on Betfair.

as i said earlier. they've had people trading/arbing across differn#t sites and they've settled differnt bways.

it has been kmnown to end up in court.

so they are very circumspect with these markets nowadays.

they've opened markets before with interim managers not counting,only official permanent manager wins,can't be that hard to understand.

I heard you. And it doesn't change the fact that, ultimately, every punter is in the same situation - whether they back,lay or trade. It all comes down to whether the rules of the market(s) that they have used match what they thought.

They're being overly cautious imo

that's right book

but one time real madrid called somebody an interim manager when they gave him a 12 month contract.

the high st paid out bf didnt.

i imagine they're waiting to see what the fa do before they formulate the wording of any market.

Some bookie have stopped taken bets on Redknapp.

I stand by my original comment - it's pathetic that they are so far behind.

you may well be right that they're being overly cautious.

but it's understandable as they've had quite a bit of trouble with these markets in the past.

The moral of the story here is.............always ensure you have accounts with other sites for those inevitable occasions when betfair let you down

I disagree mex - it's easy to be cautious but get the market up. A nice clear rule about it on the page would suffice.


Biscuit... that's taken care of

clambering over the prospect of backing Redknapp at 1.01 is pointless anyway.

i haven't looked at any other sites.

are they betting on who'll be in charge for the next match, the euros, next permanant , or next full time?

cos they could all be the same candidate,but they could be 4 differn't people.

Exactly mexicano.

If there's confusion there but they have the market up, that kind of proves my point.

Next match has already been announced as Pearce hasn't it, so it's unlikely the betting is for that.

Purple worded it as the next permanent manager, and under their rules it is someone who signs a contract for at least 1 year.

Perfectly simple, no ambiguity...and no reason why betfair couldn't do exactly the same.

i would have thought that the fact that there could be confusion, and people trading/arbing acroos differn't markets thinking they're the same , when in fact they are differnt backs up their policy about being very carefull about the way they word their market.

we are in a situation where there could be more than one person managing england in the next few games, and experience tells me that causes bf problems in these kind of markets. so that's probably why they're being extremely cautious.

So mex, you think Betfair have done the right thing and all the other bookies are wrong/silly?

i take your point rosie and agree with you.

but as i said they tread very carefully in these mkts.

i don't really take a view one way or the other jason.

i'm just tekking you that i know they've had aggro with these mkts, and ended up in court over them. so therefore i understand their caution.

I'm fully aware of that.

But so many things today are restricted because a minority are affected. People should take responsibility for their actions and check the rules before they bet - as the other bookies have clearly suggested.

All this fuss about a market that only becomes worth trading if Redknapp say's he's not interested. If he wants it, it's his and there's no need for a market. And seeing as Harry isn't exactly shy in talking to the press, we'll have a good indication sooner rather than later i think.

That's not actually the case biscuit... if you were quick off the mark

Mexicano, please go back and read all your posts and then admit that you never had an arguement, you hadn't thought things through and that you were wrong.

that's fair comment.

but bookies only have the punters to worry about, if there's a dispute they sling the rules at them and settle.

bf ,as you know is differn't if there's a dispute they are right in the middle and have to deal with clients on both sides.

add to this people who are maintaining a position across various sites [who can all settle slightly differntly] amd as i said it  can be pandemonium.

pixie - there's as much chance of that happening as there is of Capello being the next England Manager...

mex - they're still punters of betfair, no difference, just more of them.

Mexicano, please go back and read all your posts and then admit that you never had an arguement, you hadn't thought things through and that you were wrong.
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how can i be wrong here?

i'm only posting my opinion about why they haven't put a market up.

i do realise that jason. but as i said they've had more trouble with these markets than enough.

there is obviously a reason they haven't put a market up right.

a] they can't be bothered.


b]they've got nobody here who can do it.

c] they know that the sooner they get the market up the more money they make, but past experience has led them to be carefull with these markets so they'll see how the fa are going to play it to cut down on potential disputes.

your choice

Yes, and I'm sure other bookies have also had a problem, but chose to put the market up.

Palmer just isn't letting this drop.

That again?

I was Vornander the other day, apparently.

Grow up, owl4life.

pathetic Betfair

i'm sure they have. but that's their call.

the turnover on some of these markets on here is remarkable.i know some of it is recycled but it can be huge

whereas the bookie chaps tend to shy away from any lumps on these sort of markets, therefore it makes them a lot less vulnerable to big losses if there's a dispute.

there have been cases where bookies were caught by ambiguos wording and they paid out on both results. but bf c'nt do that, cos the figures would be too large.

Fair point - though we don't really know how true that is.

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well cawkwell is obviously right, but it is simple just word it properly it isnt hard at all and get the fecking market up!

but i guess i wouldnt say that if id backed quinn for next manager! iv had a similar argument before. i backed thomas muller to be top scorer at the world cup, he finished joint 1st but recieved the golden boot trophy due to playing less games i think it was, so obviously i argued that he was top scorer and they said it came down to who had scored the most goals and not who'd won the trophy, so i said who wins the trophy to which they had to reply the guy who scores the most goals but still wouldnt pay out.

B/F  going backwards

To busy working on a new arcade game atm try later.

..and they have the next sydney fc manager market available so give it a rest yea.

Still no news?

A statement would have been nice.

Who will be managing Englands first game at the Euros.

Looks like mexicano was right all along then:

"Given the uncertainty surrounding the terms, duration and nature of any appointment, we have decided to wait until after the FA media conference, which is scheduled for midday (UK time) today, before loading a market. Subject to what emerges from that media conference, we anticipate activating a market shortly after it concludes"

I don't think their reasoning was ever in dispute, biscuit.

But I still think they're being overly cautious.

thats ridiculous because getting your bets in before the news conference is where the big money is won!

Up now, read rules.

Absolutely no reason why this couldn't have gone up last night...

Bacon, tbf Betfair did state in their rules from the outset that they were betting on Top Scorer and the dead heat rule would apply, wheras FIFA were going to use assists to have a clear winner, so you were never betting on The Golden Boot.

From what i recall Quinn was intended as a permanent manager but it quickly became apparent he was alarmingly out of his depth.

The Manager Market that caused most confusion was the Newcastle one 3 seasons back . Can't rememner why but Betfair decided that they had  made Joe Kinnear permanent manager, when , reading between the lines of the club statement , they clearly just gave him it for a few months til someone better became available.

where is it to?

the chelsea one caused problems...hiddink was trading very very low when we all knew he was only temporary and was going back to russia the market rules clearly stated that temporary didn't count.