Why don't COCKNEY'S support their local team instead of supporting UNITED +LIVERPOOL ?

true cockneys support west ham, thats what i ve been told

thers no cockneys left they have all moved

Don't forget the mighty O's

has the ethnic cleansing of the cockney's taken place yet?

Cockney's? 

Yes, there are gloryhunters in the capital - the south ,too - who support the likes of ManU , but these people are just a very small minority , hardly the norm ,so please spare us the generalisation that everyone down here supports northern teams   . In fact , while I'm here , for many of us , southerners who support northern clubs are the lowest of the low , the **** on your shoes.

And , freddiek , true cockneys are more likely to support Arsenal : it's closer to Bow Bells ( off Cheapside ).

The most annoying thing is when you're out somewhere and you see someone wearing the shirt of say United or Liverpool, and you know at that precise moment they're actually playing live on sky. So not only do these mugs not go to games, they don't even watch them when they're on tv!!

I'm from Salford but lived in Edgware in North London for a while.

The amount of southerners 'supporting' northern teams is ridiculous and laughable. I've lived in Newcastle and Sheffield as well as Manchester and you go to any of them places you NEVER see a football shirt from outside the local area. Worst you'll see is the odd Blackburn/Bolton shirt in Manchester.

I'm from Salford but lived in Edgware in North London for a while.

The amount of southerners 'supporting' northern teams is ridiculous and laughable. I've lived in Newcastle and Sheffield as well as Manchester and you go to any of them places you NEVER see a football shirt from outside the local area. Worst you'll see is the odd Blackburn/Bolton shirt in Manchester.

Pretty sure Edgware is in Middlesex , pipunch.

And just how many would you call 'laughable'. I live south of the river - SE11 - and know many hundreds of people . Ok , I admit that a few of these  are Liverpool or ManU fans, but how many orginate from the south ? One , I think. Now , as for knowing  fans of London clubs ...

Again , following northern clubs in this part of the world is miles away from being  the norm.

And , freddiek , true cockneys are more likely to support Arsenal : it's closer to Bow Bells ( off Cheapside ).
NOT TRUE. Arsenal  originally from Woolwich (South London), when Cockneys were born within the sound of Bow bells,nearest were Leyton Orient(originally Clapton Orient)then Tottenham.

The only cockneys I know (my parents, grandparents and a few other relatives) all either support Spurs or West Ham.

Born in Barnet So support Barnet....

So FU C K off

Have a wander round the Wigan Borough on Saturday whe the scousers play the mancs, the pubs will be packed from lunchtime.  Meanwhile down the road, the circus tent will be far from full whilst Wigan play Noblot.

I know plenty who go all over watching both clubs, who have Wigan accents but the pile of sh1tehawks in the orange house etc watching 'their' team in those replica tops...then cheering as Latics get beat, should be culled.

It's like the Industrial revolution and free movement of labour never happened!

I live in the Northern Home counties now. Is that close enough for me to be true Tottenham Fan?

Of course, when I lived in Liverpool and spent fortunes shttling up and down the country to see them play, I should really have given up altogether or supported Everpool....no wait, better still Tranmere or even Marine, to prove how hardcore I was.

I always respect who anybody supports, when they actually make the effort to go to the games, no matter where they are from.

Ranjit Agapooki from Croydon, supporting Manchester United (Has never heard of Old Trafford) and ringing up Talksport saying Sir Alex should be sacked doesn't cut it for me.

TBF anyone calling Talksport, 6-0-6 etc is a tacit admission of insanity.

I agree though. Machine-gunning is too good for some people.

i've only ever known 'old school' cockneys - they don't live in the east end btw - to support Wham ,Spurs ,Millwall and Arsenal

Quite simply Scum you support the club where you are born Unless the old man is from that area and even then you are still a ****,my dad was a spurs fan but all my mates were gonners i was born 1-2 a mile from Highbury but lived slap bang inbetween the two grounds i went with my mates
those Croydon utd scum have no mates to go to the Palace with.

and Chelsea - forgot them 

it used to be hartfordshire spurs
barnet arsenal
essex west ham
sutton chavski

My dad is Spurs, so that's the main reason I am. Was born in Leytonstone, so I suppose I should be Leyton Orient? Dunno, I never had a choice; it was pre-ordained. I'm like one of those religious fanatics.

in South Essex for starters a lot of Wham and Arsenal

Herts - Tottenham,Watford - some Arse
Surrey - Chelsea ,Palace
Kent- Millwall and CHARLTON -Some Palace
Berks,Bucks - Chelsea,Reading, QPR ?
North Essex - Wham , Arse,some Spurs ,Ipswich

Fulham are an odd one - never quite knew who supported them --- foreigners on holiday ?

i noticed a lot of arse over the last 10-15 years in herts coach, glory hunters not needed should support spurs imho

They are the ones who go dressed as red-seats with bin-bags on.

Thats why i hope we go down they can all FO for all i care

chopan , mainly kids yes ?

you will get Man Utd supporters everywhere 7 -21 age group

i can understand why you would support utd as a 7 -11 year old in londonetc but when you get older you and your mates should be going to support the local team.

CanT have fathers that care i suppose because no way would my kin support utd, take em to see the local team and that should do it.

got  respect for Luton, northampton, supporters that live and support the local team the rest that support utd etc and just low life vermin in my eyes.

a lot of Man U fans will later support their own teams

when i was a wee snip of a lad  a lot of fans were crazy over manure and back then Liverpool - nowadyas they prefer speedway,darts,snooker etc - and occ pop to the local ground ,most went off football though as they approached 35,40 etc

some i know still take their kids to Colchester or Portman Road if they have a family deal on

are not and ,soz

Colchester have done wonders and teams like that need the support of the local community great ground always drove past it on the way to go crabbing with my son in Walton on the Naze

Pie and mash shop as well

They're not proper supporters a bunch of glory hunters and their ancestors would be turning in their grave if they found that they sold out

nice post that ^

yes Chopan -it's now on the A12

From north london used to get there easily even on bank holidays much quicker than trying to get to southend, m11 and cut across from stanstead easy drive and you can avoid the traffic that goes to clacton when you get close if you wanna go upmarket you can go to Frinton

that's still a tidy drive -but nearest coastline for you chopan.

Frinton has def gone downmarket in the last 5 years ago - first it was a pub ,then a chip shop ,  now they have a POUND SHOP

Colchester's new ground is soulless, Layer road was much better (for atmosphere).

From north London i would be tempted to head torwards Dorset ,longer drive but its bloody gorgeous down there 

all new grounds are souless im afraid

wasn't it just biscuit - although when lumps of rust started falling from the roof after a wayward strike on goal you knew there were problems 

was just gonna say love dorset but for the day its a bitch used to stay in lymington new forest

nice gaff takes dogs right by the forest but its 4-5 hours driving if you do a day trip

up your end is 3 hours 1 1-2 each way max

yep,traffic terrrible near to heathrow,west London -you would need to spend a fair while there

When you son asks WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET THERE every 5 mins you take the easier option and besides
i know the new forest bmoth experience is a lot classier but the kids just wanna catch the crabs and eat ice creme and the dog just wants to swim in the sea he dont gove a ---- if its bmouth or walton

dog love a good swim 

golden retriever goes right out into he sea natural swimmers they are will fetch the ball all day
from the sea.

time now for me to get out and enjoy all that lovely snow before it melts away

gl have a good one

chopan - yes they do - they'll swim all day mate - retrievers esp 

just had pie & mash in my local manzis
there seem to be a lot less man u /lpool shirts about on children than there were 15-20 years ago. you actually see a few fulham shirts round our way now and that was unheard of a few years ago.

the ones who get me are the ones who had no particular allegience but attached themselves to a successfull club the older ones are lpool fans, the more recent are man u, solely to have an interest when it was on in the pub, thus enabling them to celebrate goals with unmitigated glee. and laud it over "local" fans.

plastics== all of 'em.

same with the irish imo

227 backed 3 the other day 9s on here was unlucky but trap 5 ran on well on poor going 3 should lead today though so gonna play small 3 win 5-3 and small 1-3 2-3

I saw a manchester.city fan once in a pub in manchester,there he was bold as brass wearing his etihad shirt, i asked him since whern did mancs support city?? He said he was from stockport and carried on drinking his robinsons.True story.

when i got to utd arsenal on the train can nver get a seat for the London and Luton Mancs

Still at least they go to games cant slag em off for that but they all got London, Beds accents

Cockneys are working class Londoners living in the east End. They don't support teams from the north. They usually support West Ham.

no mate they live in essex mate not in the east end the bangledesh live in the east end.

paulcarm

Cockneys are working class Londoners living in the east End. They don't support teams from the north. They usually support West Ham.

Get your facts straight!

A Cockney is anyone who lives south of Birminham. So whilst I agree with the title of the thread, it would be daft to expect your Devon Cockney or your Brighton Cockney or your Oxford Cockney to support West Ham

I saw a manchester.city fan once in a pub in manchester,there he was bold as brass wearing his etihad shirt, i asked him since whern did mancs support city?? He said he was from stockport and carried on drinking his robinsons.True story.

If you had waited longer, instead of rushing off to catch your Ryan Air flight, you and your Dublin, Belfast and Heathrow bound mates would have seen plenty more blues. Probably would have seen 'proper' reds, who actually go, outnumbered by proper Rochdale and Macclesfield fans too.

Was that you LF with the moustache,kangol fleece,ben sherman on for weeks...

I agree with you.our catchment areas are manchester,salford and everywhere else,yours are stockport,rochdale,bury etc,that malady is from rochdale.

Yes, a Cockney (or Mockney even as they are sometimes known ) is regarded as a 'working class' or 'lower working class person'  from the Home counties.

Herts,Bucks,Surrey,Greater London,Kent,Sussex and most of Essex - the old East End is indeed mostly comprised of non Cockneys.

They speak loud and dress loud , wear football shirts at an advanced age , have shaved heads and wear shiny appendage .

They all drive white vans or know someone with a white van. They were all aspiring night club bouncers in their prime .

Some have migrated to more rural parts of late - Suffolk, Berks, Hants etc

and if you drive a white van ,don't take it personally -

and i  mean don't take offence , not steal the van   

Scanned this thread and having lived in these areas for virtually my entire life, northern teams, although supported, are not as common as people make out. There are a lot of Irish (or of Irish parents) in London who usually support Liverpool (generally), not forgetting a lot of northerners down here who surprisingly support northern teams. Since Arsenal starting hitting the heights, children of parents who were not into football usually chose the gooners (being the successful team of their era) just like the 60's child who sided with Spurs. Yes, northern team supporters are evident but on a very low ratio; in fact, there are just as many non-supporters as northern supporters in these parts.

What people fail to realise is that around one-fifth of the population live in London (give or take) and even a small percentage (less than 1%) makes a lot of northern supporters.

I love where i live, and i love my team. 2 completely different locations but never troubled me once, couldnt give a flying xxxx what other supporters say, my money is as good as theirs.

In the 80's if football wasn't really in your blood you tended to say you supported Liverpool, over the last 20 years or so its got 10 times worse and it's become Man Utd. The vast majority of these are weak willed, slightly odd people who migrate to these clubs for the same reason's people want to be with the "in" crowd.

Football has become very fashionable and these saddo's want to be associated with the most fashionable club's.

If you truly love football, you love your own club which is most commonly the one nearest to your roots and hate the rest. Unfortunately since the advent of the family friendly stadia,sky tv, big money(big headed) players,football, mainly at the top end has become so wishy washy and boring
that many of the true fans, myself included, have given up.

What i wouldn't give for terraces, roofless ends, players who had proper feelings and pride for the club they played for etc etc.

Never mind up with EPL (fkn hate that phrase)

Very good post nonaynever and spot on, i can't stand modern day football and modern day football "Fans", i blame it on skinner and baddiel.

And also Manchester.city...

Plenty of Liverpool and United supporters here in Reading who were born in the town. Mainly Chelsea, Arenal, Spurs and Millwall supporters and obviously Reading.

I think you'll find that most "Cockneys" as you refer to them, do support their local teams.

Any southerners that support Man Utd and the Chelsea of the north generally tend to live in Surrey and the like, and are therefore generally not "Cockneys".

Neither are most people down south, i'm sure you have to be born within the chimes of the Bow Bells.

Most Arsenal supporters are anything but, down at the Emirates with their rattles and scarfs

It's like me saying "Up North" is anything past the Watford gap.

Never mind up with EPL (fkn hate that phrase)
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it's quite simple, it's not a phrase ,its an abbreviation like BBC ,RAC ,ITV

It stands for Eco-friendly Public Lavatories

Bow bells ? maybe 100 years ago.

Cockney is a generic term -

similar to Essex girl   - an Essex girl can come from Swindon  ,she doesn't literally have to come from Essex

feck me, and i thought i lived in the past. tell you what, I will go back and support Leatherhead FC as that is where i grew up as a kid.
I will leave my chosen team to the locals only to support, absolutely no woollybacks allowed. Will ask them not to distribute any merch outside of that city and all visiting fans must provide I.D. on arrival in the city.

@Coachbluster

Yes i'm aware "Cockney" is used as a generic term to describe southerners.

However, it's like saying anyone from "Up North" is a Geordie.

Its incorrect, and very narrow minded.

Its northerners who brought about the term if you like .

Aspro is correct when he talks about numbers around London - It's mainly because the home counties (cockney/mockney) accent is prominent in the south /south east.

In the north there are varying cut off's to discriminate ( in dialect) - Manchester,Liverpool,Leeds,Newcastle ,Nottingham accents are all very different .
Now pick  one  from Dover and Cambridge - 120 miles apart - same accent

I don't really hear people (unless they are northerners) applying the term "cockney" to people who aint from the east end. My family are all Londoners though (but few of them live there anymore). I'm not a Londoner, although I was born there.

Cockneys haven't lived in the East end since water has been wet

Have you ever been to the East end ?

I'm not even sure what part of east-london is the east-end and what isn't. I've been to east london a lot, as my grandparents lived/live there (Manor Park and Walthamstow). Though I don't think that qualifies as the east-end. My grandad is from Bethnal Green originally, (I think) and that is the east-end iirc. My parents grew up in Walthamstow/Hackney, so again, east-london but I don't know what counts as East End.

None of them are from South-Asia, in case you were wondering...

Im from North London, I dont however go around speaking like Danny Dyer.

alwite geeza pwopa norty rumble this one

TBF most people in London these days don't even speak English, yet alone Arfur Daley slang.

None of them are from South-Asia, in case you were wondering...
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I lived with a couple of cockneys in walthamstow, which is north east london. they were both west ham fans. man utd and liverpool fans I think live in the home counties, in towns north london.

Stan2
And , freddiek , true cockneys are more likely to support Arsenal : it's closer to Bow Bells ( off Cheapside ).
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Pretty sure Edgware is in Middlesex , pipunch.
And just how many would you call 'laughable'. I live south of the river - SE11 - and know many hundreds of people . Ok , I admit that a few of these  are Liverpool or ManU fans, but how many orginate from the south ? One , I think. Now , as for knowing  fans of London clubs ...

Again , following northern clubs in this part of the world is miles away from being  the norm.
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lol ? Bow bells is 2.5 miles from Upton Park and 8 miles from the Emirates, Weest Ham are a true cockney club in every sense so freddiek was correct hth. But Leyton Orient even close as figjam says, by less than half a miles closer than WHUFC.
Also Edgeware is in the district of Middlesex but Middlesex is in North London in the London borough of Barnet bordering Harrow so pip was correct.

Brian_Ookiebasher
07 Feb 12 10:52 Joined: 04 Apr 08
Born in Barnet So support Barnet....
So FU C K off



paulcarm
Cockneys are working class Londoners living in the east End. They don't support teams from the north. They usually support West Ham.

lol have you eve been to London? I went to schools with cockneys being a Londoner myself and believe me they are a plenty, remember one kid who wore a United shirt every day, never looked washed either as a side point.

You have to laugh.

I know the odd geezer who supports Man U or whatever, but it really isnt that common.

Maybe at school or whatever, but you always get a few spaz's like that!

Me? I live within about 1/2 a mile of WHL , so Spurs for me ;)

there might be a pub called the bow bells about 2 1/2 miles from upton pk, but the bells that determine whether you're a cockney or not are the bells of st mary le bow which is a church in the city of london, which i reckon might be a tad further away.

Most of East London (inc Walthamstow) developed strong Cockney accents back in my day, Hackney moreso. Bow, Bethnal Green, Whitechapel etc were probably the strongest before our time but it developed to the point where even south Londoners sounded Cockney. I can reason with northerners seeing London, as a whole, being Cockney and even Essex these days, although the latter is due to most Cockneys moving out that way.

It's a mute point these days because Cockney, in and around these same areas, is dying and being replaced by what they now term 'Urban'